I understand what your saying, I disagree. Origins is just a point of refernce eseentially this is a forum fight. Answer the question arent comic books just a point of refernce?
No were discussing a forum fight and using origins as a point of referncve. The thread isnt called Wolverine and Cap in Origins its called Cap vs Wolverine, whats so difficult to understand.
Futhermore there are point you have ignored in my posts, ive got just as much reason as you to be pissed off. Calm down and stop being a hypocrite.
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origins is a point of reference sure.. andlike soljer said a while back it's a bad point of reference.. for either side...
and yes this thread is a forum fight, but that's not what we were discussing.. you kept throwing in "if this were a forum fight" in context to the discussion concerning origins. Also, the thread doesn't have to be called origins for origins to be the subject matter that's being discussed.. that's what happened.
finally, what part of your posts have I ignored.. I've countered you point for point, so endulge me here.
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Yeahhh... because as you said before, Origins is just a point of reference and you said it was badly written. Essentially this about a hypothetical situation between Wolv and Cap
Yes I know...yeah but even you said it was badly written. Thats my point.
Well look im going to try and summarise your posts because this is taken me a 1100 years to reply to and there is stuff I need to get done today, but you will be irritated to know im still calling foul on Origins but I try to explain myself.
*goes back to writing his post*
__________________ Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.
- General George Patton Jr
origins being a point of reference has nothing to do with my irritation, the irritation which I've already explained to you not several posts ago....
the THREAD is SUPPOSED to be about a hypothetical situation between the two..
that doesn't change the fact that the discussion fell into a debate concerning origins...
and.. for a guy who thinks I'm out of place calling him dense...
WHERE DID I EVER SAY ORIGINS IS BADLY WRITTEN?
NEVER.. I've nerver said that.. i'm not of that opinion...
no your point was that this forum fight is about the hypothetical situation and not origins.. remember?
in any case this new point of yours can't be your point because I've never said origins was badly written.. I said it was bad point of reference... you know.. for the multiple reasons that we were debating back and forth about origins.
why don't you just tell mewhat I skipped over on your posts?
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
Ok Im gonna summarise this stuff cos the post is just too long to respond to its going to take me ages but I'll try to summarise the main point.
As I said before the battle in origins is a point of reference that is the purpose of origins in this discussion as far as im concerned its PIS. You cant get as annoyed as much as you like but its my opinion and im going to give my reasons:
1) Cap is a smarter and better fighter
2) Cap is faster
As I have said before Cap is the leader of The Avengers Wolverine is not Wolverine takes orders from Cap when he leads superheroes into battle that includes the xmen (Secret Wars 1 and 2 probably). Wolverine would step up if he thought he was a better leader( becuase its a matter of life and death) and Cap would take orders.
Wolverine does not have intelligence showings of himself being able to get out of a device created by alien shapeshifters. Cap has with no powers.
Captain America in general shows himself to be more intelligent.
Cap is a better fighter and it is PIS that Cap has problems with ninjas because:
As you know DD beats up ninjas on a regular basis. If Cap can handle DD hes not having problems with ninjas.
I also said when Cap had problems with ninjas that was in WW2 wasnt it? Wolverine had to be better than Cap at some point, when I said Cap was doing something for a hundred years that is just figure of speech.
Wolverine can be a sloppy fighter sometimes. Cap is never a sloppy fighter. I dont always believe it because Wolverine can withstand damage its because he is just downright sloppy. Eventhough Wolverine beat The Wrecker he still allowed himself to be thrown, that is something Cap would never let happen. Cap could also survive this attack because he has jumped out of planes with a parachute....but he wouldnt let it happen. Then theres The Punisher hitting Wolverine in the nuts.
The problem is you know more about Wolverine than I do and sometimes you got to admit he can be a fool sometimes.
Wolverine is fast but at the end of the day he still doesnt have anything to match dodging lasers in zero gravity
Now the problem is wether Cap can knock Wolverine out. One thing I dont understand is that you said there were these people who could kill Wolverine with one touch, if these people can do that Cap should be able to do that. Cap is a master of all martial arts therefore he should know how to use chi. I know that chi is used in some of the martial arts he knows.
Also Wolverine is very inconsistent with his healing factor. One minute he is being taken down by a nut shot, then he isnt as for the Namor example it looked like Namor was standing inf front of him when he punched him but i'll check it out. To be quite honest im not sure what to say about his healing factor, but I still think Cap is faster and smarter.
PS. Checked out the scans yes it was to the back of the head.
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first off no it was false memeroes that never even took place. It was another realities wolverine not 616 wolverine.
also your a bove post was all but useless. most of it ment nothing and had nothing to do with this debate, but I will answer it later just for the hell of it
Last edited by Dum Dum Dugan on Jan 30th, 2007 at 05:42 PM
also I love to know how you even think dodging laser in zero gravity makes any sense. in zero gravity he bee moving the same speed as any other person his weight would be moving. Which mean no matter how fast his reflexes are it would not matter since he could not be moving that fast do to the fact he is in zero gravity.
so over all the feat would make little to no sense. food for thought.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with capt on this one.
Cap dodging lasers in zero gravity? Really? Have you actually considered this? It's literally impossible. Worst writing until they decided to make Wolverine virtually immortal.
But seriously, that should have no place here. There's no way Cap could've done it.
No, no no no NO! Wolverine's claws strike Cap's shield. The adamantuim hitting the vibranium causes an acoustic repulsion effect which reverberates through Logan's adamantuim skeleton. This causes Logan dizziness, nausea and bleeding out through orifices.
Lol it PIS? How is it PIS. Your ridiculous. It PIS because poor old capt got a blood clot and you did not like that a guy with superior abilities and experience gave him one.
That’s too bad for you, but it was not PIS.
Also how about when Logan defeat Capt in MAN AND WOLF PART 3 of 6 CAPTAIN AMERICA issue 404:
I bet your reason are terrible and are going to make me laugh a lot.
Really now? Even though there is no proof of this you are going to state it as a fact? Please I love to see how you came to this conclusion when Logan is extremely bright and knows some thing like 12 different languages
But the fact is he not. You can not prove he is and yet you state it as a fact which it is not. The fact is capt not the better fighter.
You know what is fact? Wolverine experience dwarf’s that of Capt.
No he not. If any thing Logan is the faster of the two actually Logan is the faster of the two.
Yes he is and your point being? How does that even matter in a fight?
That is actually possibly the worst example ever. Not only did wolverine say Capt should not lead, but he did not even listen to Capt.
Unless Wolverine just does not like leading which has been made clear through the year’s if you actually read x-men or wolverine you know this. Scot has asked him to lead x-men team’s on many occasion’s and Logan ahs simply said no that he does not like to lead. Logan said no to alpha Flight as well and even to Prof. x. So it not that Wolverine does not think he is the better leader it the fact he does not wish to lead.
I am not sure why you even brought this up it mean’s nothing to the fight.
Has wolverine ever been dumb enough to get caught in a device created by an alien shapeshifter? No I would think not.
Again there really no evidence to support your claims.
No he really is not.
So now every time capt has problem’s or loses it PIS?
They can not even confirm that he has superhuman senses how are they suppose to know that he has any other abilities?
Not to mention hand book’s are not very good sources of information.
“Pinnacle of Human Perfection” which means peak human. They even listed freaking falcon as enhanced human so whoopy Capt.
Also if you ant go by hand book’s then your debate is over. Logan is listed over Capt in pretty much every area.
Shield also said that Blade would be there ebst bet to take Logan in and that did not work out for them did it.
When has Capt ever handled DD? I recall him losing to DD.
If Wolverine was better then Capt then why would Wolverine not be better then Capt now? Seeing as how Capt spent 40 or so year’s frozen while Wolverine kept fighting and increasing his skills and power’s making him even better then before while Capt simply stayed the same. Not to mention Weapon-x also improved Logan even more soo…….by that Logic if Logan was better then Capt before he would be vastly superior now.
As I recalled he punch wolverine. Also spiderman was the one who got thrown so by your logic Capt is the superior dodger to spiderman? Also did not the wrecker almost kill Capt until She-hulk saved him one time?
How does jumping out of a plane with a PARACHUTE allow some one to survive a class 100 hit?
Ya written by Ennis the same man who had punisher defeat Hulk. Not to mention he had Punisher defeating spiderman, DD and wolverine at ounce. So you were saying?
So does a lot of people on this forum.
That feat does not even make senses and would be impossible and I have already given the reason’s why.
Not to mention Logan never been fired at with laser in Zero gravity.
Yet Capt only showed to use one style most of the time. Not to mention what jinzin meant was Logan thought these people could kill him in one blow, but no they really could not. That was also back before he new he had a superhuman healing factor.
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