Well, it's finally here. This is the climactic match up that everyone's been waiting for. This is as good as it gets right here. Four forum vets duking it out to see who's gonna be the tournament kings. This will solidify any of their legendary KMC careers. So sit back, relax, and enjoy....
BATDUDE'S TOURNEY FINAL!!!!!
Introducing first:
DarkCrawler/Blair Wind
*audience cheers*
And their characters for this match:
Black Alice (The magic queen of the tourney)
All-Star Superman (Nuff said)
The Keeper (Power mad Norrin Radd... that rhymes!!!)
Now introducing second:
DigiMark007/Scoobless
*audience cheers even louder* ()
And their characters for this match of the century are:
Thor (the beastial god of thunder... with awesome golden locks)
Space Phantom (um.... ???... he steals powers... and his name is cool?)
Adam Warlock (telepathic monster.... who wears short-shorts )
Now, the rules for this match can be viewed at this link:
Each team will get a total of twenty minutes to prepare a battle strategy for the fight at hand. This match takes place on Apokalips with Darkseid as the overseer. When any characters gets killed, or knocked out, Darkseid will OE their ass to another spot in the universe, so there's no chance of revitalization here. Once you're out... you're OUT. The teams will be 1 kilometer away from each other (.62 miles).
LET THE BATTLE COMMENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The judges for this tourney match are:
jinzin
leonidas
srankmissingnin
Black Adam (maybe)
Soljer (maybe)
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(Note: This prep post will be cut up into five segments. It is well over the 10,000 character limit, so 1 of BW's 10 total posts will be cut to 9 posts.)
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A quick thank you to BD and the judges, and good luck to DC/BW
Digi Post #1
First I'll post my initial reaction to BW/DC's writeup. I also have a prepared post that will follow.
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Reactions to BW/DC's Writeup:
HA!
Anyway, that's the sound of me content in the knowledge that they use 1 of Blair's 10 posts to tell you stuff they won't be using anyway.
Probably 3 of those 5 posts deals with Black Alice going ape-sh*t with power-meshing. Impressive stuff. But also pointless. See our writeup for the scans, but Thor will be blocking ALL of that by making Mjolnir spin around the battlefield.
So basically, everything they just did in prep with BA will be gone as soon as the fight starts. So A+ on creativity guys. But it's back to the drawing board.
...also, please note that they Did make surfboards with quantum spikes on them. Those are ours.
Anyway, on to the other stuff...
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Prepared Post:
A. Yes He Can
In the following scans, an alien creature that absorbs energy defeats Gladiator easily at his base level. Then he absorbs and bonds with the Uni-Power.
What does this tell us? Surfer > Alien w/Uni-Power > Alien > Gladiator. Meaning, it tells us that in and of itself, the Uni-Power isn’t more powerful than the Silver Surfer.
There’s quite a few powers the Uni-Power endows upon the wearer, but here’s some important stuff: “The Uni-Power can be manipulated by each Captain Universe in a variety of ways, dependent upon each recipient's imagination and strength. The Uni-Power amplifies strength about fifty times Thus if a person can normally lift (press) 150 pounds, he or she would now be able to lift approximately 7,500 pounds. Each Captain Universe is also granted the ability to fly by harnessing the Uni-Power's energy to generate antigravitions.”
Strength x50, flight, energy projection, etc. Thor will be getting all of that.
C. Cpt. Uni-Thor
So Thor has that massive upgrade.
And he has the adamantium/vibranium armor made from the alloy in Cap’s shield.
And he still has Mjolnir (at its normal power level)
And he has the power of 25 Surfers coursing through him, with knowledge of Surfer’s power due to the soul-link with Warlock (who has previously soul-linked with Surfer).
So he’s easily the best brawler in the entire tournament now. And any energy they try to bring, if it’s enough to affect him at all (not likely) he can simply do this: http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=absorb1pu8.jpg
Thor is officially unstoppable.
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D. Warlock
Warlock will begin the fight completely undetectable, as described in our writeup.
1. He will, like a conductor leading an orchestra, be silently maneuvering our opponents’ boards against them. Keeper, as stated before, is simply 616 Surfer who was displaced into a different timeline in the future. He retains all the experience of 616 Surfer, including the soul-link with Warlock, which allows him to wrest control of Surfer’s board. And they won’t even know who is doing it. http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=board1dx7.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=board2ns3.jpg
2. Since Thor’s duties involve cutting off BA from her magical source (easily done) and pinning AS Supes with Mjolnir, Warlock’s charge will be The Keeper.
Keeper is skilled and powerful, but we both have the power of Surfer many times over (25). His board will already be attacking him, Warlock can attack him with his own board if he wants, and Warlock has a clear advantage in power as well as his armor.
And a magnificent display of Warlock’s stealth and deception skills, both of which he’ll have ample opportunity to display since he’ll be undetectable to start the fight: http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?...stealth1ft4.jpg
Oh, and a display of Surfer’s power (and Morg’s, for that matter): http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?...ervsmorgkp4.jpg
…in this fight with Morg, just the residual energy from the fight was destroying planets. And they weren’t even directly attacking the planets!
And that’s 1 Surfer. Warlock and Thor have that multiplied by 25.
Warlock, armed with this power, is the architect, mastermind, and overseer of our plan, and neither Keeper nor anyone else on the team will be able to stop him.
E. Matchups
We will, of course, be choosing matchups again due to Warlock’s invisibility, the fact that their boards will be attacking them, thus impeding their movement, and Thor’s sheer power, as well as the speed of both of us.
F. Skyfather?
For those who don’t know, the limit for power meshing in the tournament is “Skyfather”, which is of course a vague term.
However, Odin has destroyed galaxies before, and this isn’t considered PIS for him. He may be high-end Skyfather level, but if that is the high end, then even the low end is far beyond anything we’re doing.
Herald level people can, if they’re lucky, destroy planets. But Thor’s strength x50 + 25 Surfers, while beastly, is still so far below galaxy-destroying that it’s not even close.
We showed DC’s own words to back us up with this, and even his assessment that Odin is “at least 100x” greater than Surfer is a vast understatement. But even if it wasn’t an understatement, we’re still well under the limits for the tourney’s power-mesh limits.
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Final Thoughts:
1. They won’t be able to find an answer for our magic block of Black Alice’s power, because there isn’t an answer.
2. They also won’t be able to counter the board-trick of Warlock.
3. We have them slaughtered in terms of sheer power, simply because all the power meshing they do with BA will be gone shortly after the fight starts.
Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper
Good luck to opposing team, and thanks to Batdude and judges for participating and allowing this match to be.
Soooooo, here it is. The finals have started and we have seen the plans of other team.
What is extremely glaring though, is the misconceptions they have made about lot of things. I’m going address them in my first post.
1. The stealth of our team. – AKA why their whole battle plan went down the drain.
This is something that tells me that Digi and Scoobs did not read our plan very thoroughly. In the first and final moments of prep, our team was shielded from every possible form of detection, and I mean everything. Our psychic shielding is to such degree that even the cosmic awareness of entities like Galactus and Eon can’t notice us.
Think about it.
Galactus, the MASTER of power cosmic and the cosmic awareness that comes with it isn’t able to notice us. Eon, the Lord of Time, who has basically the most powerful cosmic awareness in the history of Marvel Universe isn’t able to notice us.
This, however was not our whole stealth. We ALSO had Keeper create a shield that redirects every form of energy from us. As the master of Quantum Bands, who is able to control ALL energy types in the universe, he literally did so, and thus we can’t be seen through any sort of sight. The vacuum we created around us also made it so that we will be completely silent too.
As the last touch of our stealth, we shrunk down to the size of an atom.
There is no way, no way for the other team to notice us. And we can teleport all around the battlefield. So the hammer plan, the board control – nothing will work on us. We will be deciding the matchups and when the battle starts. However, even if we were completely unshielded, their attacks would STILL be completely ineffective. Here is why.
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2. Warlock and the boards.
This was one of the biggest things that were…well, wrong. They say that because of the Soul Link Warlock and Keeper have shared, Warlock can control them. This is true….IF Keeper would let him. He doesn’t. They have zero proof that Warlock could control the board over Keeper – the boards are part of HIM. The ONLY scan they posted to “prove” this is where Warlock controls board over Surfer…WHO IS UNCONCIOUS!
The sheer idea that Warlock would somehow just usurp the control from Keeper is just ridicolous. They have nothing to prove this. Warlock may do something like this if Keeper isn’t paying any attention to them, but while he is? Not going to work. The boards will not just leave Keeper “like that”. As long as we are paying attention to them, stay in our control. I give you straight quote from Surfer himself. http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...1989_027_18.jpg
“But the board and I are one, formed by Galactus by the same source. Though the Stranger’s powers are awesome, I can use the power cosmic to recreate a part of me!”
Warlock isn’t taking over. By a mile. As cool as Warlock is, he isn’t taking over the boards by their rightful creator and owner.
In THIS particular case, they were foolish enough to actually try to take over a part of Keeper. Which means as soon as Warlock tries to do that (and fails in it), we know where he is. And what is even better, is that like they so graciously reminded us, Keeper and Warlock have shared souls, so we KNOW he has such ability.
And well, like you saw, Thor’s hammer can be teleported away effortlessly.
So, as soon as the hammer leaves Thor’s hand (or even if it is in Thor’s hand), any of our characters (Let’s say All-Star Superman) will just teleport it to the edge of the universe. We all know that the hammer will return, but it takes it second to get back to Thor’s hand even from relatively small distance, we will be sending it trillions of light years away. Even IF it would come back in time, we will just teleport it again. And again. And…you get the idea.
With the reaction speeds our teams possess, this will be effortless, and there is no way the other team will block it.
So, through the whole duration of the battle, Thor will not possess his hammer. This not only means that he will be severely weakened, but also means that our magic buffs will stay.
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4. The Uni-Power.
This one was a nice idea, I give them that.
There is still misconception here too…they seem to think that Uni-Power increases EVERYTHING in the host fifty times…
So no, we won’t be dealing with ALL their powers being fifty times more powerful, just their strength. The other powers MIGHT somewhat increase when they are combined with the Uni-Power-given abilities, but strength is the only one that actually increases FIFTY times. The bio they themselves posted states this very clearly, and so do comics. Spider-Man, for example was far from being fifty times better in all his abilities.
This also means that Adam Warlock will get half of Surfer’s power...and unless the Uni-Power suddenly can split in half (and it can’t…), he isn’t getting any upgraded strength either. And Thor also has only 25x Surfer’s strength, and half of his other power combined with Uni-Power.
And strength alone isn’t enough to win this tourney, and their extra powers we already possess…to greater degree (as shown by their own scans from Captain Universe: Silver Surfer, Power Cosmic >>> Uni-Power).
In the second one, the guy’s control over energy kept Uni-Power imprisoned. Our team just happens to have the best energy manipulator in the tourney (one of the best in the comics overall)…sentient energy or not, it is still energy and can be absorbed and controlled by a wielder of the Quantum Bands and Power Cosmic.
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5. Summary
So.
We are so stealthed that the other team can’t detect us in any way. We will choose when to attack.
Adam Warlock definitely isn’t controlling our boards over Keeper. Simply impossible.
Mjolnir can’t negate anything because it will get teleported away to the far reaches of the universe.
The Uni-Power doesn’t enhance ALL the powers by 50x. Keeper can also absorb the Uni-Power (in this case Space Phantom) with his insanely superior energy manipulation powers.
Only edge the other team has is strength, really, which doesn’t mean much in this battle.
All energy attacks done to us will only make us stronger.
In next posts we will show some of the different ways we can take the other team out…
Just the short summary of what powers exactly our characters have:
Keeper has:
Power Cosmic (70% Silver Surfer’s powers), Quantum Bands, The powers of All-Star Superman, The powers of Captain Marvel and Black Adam Uru skin and hammer. Energy powers from Sentinel, Dargo, Nightshade, and Loki. Telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation.
Netherium bracers and gloves Quantum-spiked board.
All-Star Superman has:
Power Cosmic (15% Silver Surfer’s powers) The powers of All-Star Superman, Powers of Durok, The powers of Captain Marvel and Black Adam, Uru skin and hammer. Energy powers from Sentinel, Dargo, Nightshade, Keeper and Loki. Telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation.
Netherium bracers and gloves Quantum-spiked board.
Black Alice has:
Power Cosmic (15% Silver Surfer’s powers) The powers of All-Star Supermam, Uru skin and hammer. Energy powers from Sentinel, Dargo, Nightshade, Keeper and Loki. Telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation. Netherium bracers and gloves Quantum-spiked board. Powers of Wonder Woman
I will be dealing with the individual battle's taking place, and answering any questions that might arise from the other's plan of attack.
BATTLE PLAN
The picosecond the battle starts our characters search the area around them to detect the opposing team. Once found, through the use of different detection systems (ie Superman's supervision, Keepers QB), which should take another picosecond, we take the first shot. Now the other team would have you believe that they got to us first. How is my question? Lets remember that we are tiny, invisible, and telepathically undetectable. That includes our surfboards btw. They cannot get to us, and that is a fact.
We teleport to them, and we send the tiny surfboards at light speed into the open parts of the bodies (nose, ears). We then have them expand and in that instant lash out with a telepathic and telekinetic blast (which if you all recall is Surfer's best x 1000). With that, we teleport Thor's hammer as far away as we can.
With the other team reeling from the mental outburst and anguish, we begin to systematically take down the other team.
Keeper vs Adam Warlock
Our massive telekinetic/telepathy attack (Surfer’s best x 1000) has confused the opposing team. Even if only for a millisecond, it still served the purpose, and our team has the surprise attack when they grow from their small size right next to the opposing team. They did not see us, hear us, sense us or smell us, so it would be impossible for them to retaliate in time. Keeper will engage Warlock (since he tried to take control of the boards growing out of Thor's head, since Digi wants those boards so bad)
Now, they have given Warlock the powers of heralds. This is dubious in nature, as we do not have evidence that the other heralds can even give powers like Surfer can. However, what is the strongest point of Heralds? What is the strongest power of Warlock besides strategy? Energy attacks. What did we make our characters immune to in the prep? That’s right, energy. ANY energy attack Warlock makes towards Keeper in ANY way will be absorbed and used by him.
If he uses telepathy? We are immune to it too. He tries to trap us in any way; it won’t help because Keeper can teleport not only between distances but between dimensions too and can turn intangible or atom sized. Keeper is impossible to trap. Is he going to slug it out then? He’s strong, but Keeper has the combined strength of All-Star Superman and Captain Marvel and can enhance his own strength with power cosmic or the quantum bands if needed. Warlock isn’t taking us out in h2h battle, with or without the Cpt America shield amour.
I dare say that Keeper beats him in energy attacks too. He has half a dozen different magical blasts inside his body, a cool Uru hammer and they will be amplified through the Netherium equipment he wears. He has power cosmic, Quantum Bands, and Superman's powers.
Keeper, going at light speed, unleashes another mind shattering mental blast at Warlock, which he continually uses against him. Using the QB's he quickly creates constructs around his limbs to hold him in place. Any energy that Warlock tries to give off will be absorbed by Keeper's armour. And the energy he does not give off? He still gets absorbed [1]
Warlock will fall to Keeper’s superior mental powers and energy absorbing abilities, and there is very little he can do to hurt him.
To end it all off, Keeper will take one of the surfboards that exploded Thor's brain, and stick it onto Warlock, in the same manner that Surfer did to Captain Marvel [2]. The board will act as a forcefield, that he quickly disintegrates into separate molecules.[3] All this should happen at the speed of light, and our reaction time >>>> theirs.
Black Alice/Superman vs Space Phantom/Thor
Now, as DC has explained Thor's hammer has been teleported away. Continually, and even in the scan, Champion said he would not deny it its course (which we can infer means he could have if he so wanted to)
Meaning we are dealing with a hammerless Thor (and if the judges accept SP turning into the Uni Power, a Uni powered thor)
The fact of the matter is that it really does not matter. How is that you might ask?? With Black Alice having turned into Wonder Woman, and having that nifty magic lasso that has no limited length, she teleports herself and the lasso onto Thor who is still reeling from the attack
Now besides having to tell the truth, the lasso can also force someone to revert to their natural state, as can be shown with the Martian Manhunter [4] or other such examples as devolving the Shark. The natural question would be, does Black Alice get a lasso just like Wonder Woman's? Of course she does [5]
What does that mean exactly? *It means that SP will revert to being just that, the Space Phantom with no additional powers, not the Uni Power or anything else he may want to become. The moment, nay the picosecond that takes places, Black Alice punches him in the face. Wicked Hard Remember that she of course has AS Superman's strength/speed, Wonder Woman's strength/speed, AND the Power Cosmic. His head will come clean off his body. She will then blast him with her hammer with all the energy she can muster. He will be nothing more than ashes.
Now that SP has been taken care of, and that Thor is now depowered again, and ensnared in the magic lasso, DC will touch on what AS Superman will do to Thor.
*This method of attack had been approved by batdude for AM and SP. He dies a quick death. Also if you complain about it being a type of telepathy it does not fall into the two banned categories of telepathy:
A. There is to be no mind controlling the opposition to make them fight for your side.
B. Also, there is to be no mind controlling the opposition to make them attack themselves
Conclusion
In conclusion, we have the advantage of first strike, which we use to full potential. We then systematically broke down the other team by (DC will deal with Thor), siphoning Warlocks energy and trapping him in our boards, and reverting Space Phantom back to his natural form then bursting his head open with a quintillion forced punch. Scans
Space Phantom?
Moving on the questions phase of my post, lets take a look at the bio you so kindly gave us of Space Phantom. It says, and I quote, "Superhuman physical powers: Ability to assume the appearance and powers of virtually any single mortal being"
Now lets look at Cpt. Universe bio: "a special kind of energy that endows an individual with a host of superhuman powers....The Uni Power is a manifestation of the Enigma Force...The Uni Power appears to be a floating globule of luminescent energy"
Who here actually believes that Space Phantom can become the Uni Power?? I REALLY doubt that he can. Not to nit pick or anything, but it just does not sound plausible.
DC will discuss some facts about the Uni Power if for some reason the judges believe that you will be able to turn into it. Which they should not.
Other Heralds?
On that note of things not being plausible, I have no problem with you turning into SS and giving people powers. But other heralds that we have no conclusive prove if they can give other's powers or not? Sorry, but it is not happening.
Cpt. Americas Shield type armour
This is to note that all they did was, and I quote, "creates body armor for both Warlock and himself that is nigh-indestructible and will absorb blows and energy from our opponent." This does not include nose plugs and ear muffs I am assuming. This means that ear drums, the brain, and any other organ is as soft as it was before.
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Credibility of their battle plan
You guys have a good battle plan, kudos to you. However, I see a few flaws that logically do not add up.
Warlock and Boards?
DC will talk about Warlock and his trying to take over the boards. Which would not work anyways, since they just popped into your team's brains.
Blocking Black Alice?
Moving on to Thor, lets see how your plan of attack does not stack up to what you have going on there.
Do you plan to blast us when you cannot even see us, detect, or even feel us? When we get the first attack, and it takes you for a loop? Especially when our first attack teleports your hammer light years away from us? Nothing that Thor does will effect us, considering he cannot DO anything to effect us.
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Final Thoughts
1. We are undetectable
2. We took the first strike
3. The hammer is gone
4. Keeper engages Warlock
5. The lasso takes care of SP, and depowers Thor
6. Trinity of Power won
A. Microverse
Well, it's a fun little tactic (pun intended), but A. Warlock's still undetectable, and "Beyond Reality" >> any cosmic awareness they might have. So tiny or not, they can't detect us until we find them and strike. Second, we both have the power of Surfer, who has microscopic vision. It's well within our power to detect them, even in this form.
B. DNA?!
Here's where we question the hell out of their dubious plan.
Can Keeper manipulate molecules? Sure. Can AS Supes make his power-potion? Yes. But they're having you believe they'll be doing it in about 10 seconds in prep time. Here's the problem:
It took AS Supes days to make 1 potion, he had access to his lab and robot (who did more work than Supes did), and he had to specifically design it for the DNA structure of a human being (Lois). The formula would need tweaked heavily for anyone else, and Surfer's (Keeper) DNA pattern is so wildly different than a human being that it would be nearly impossible to recombinate the formula for him without the proper equipment, and with only 20 minutes.
I'd like to remind everyone of a recent Annihilation issue where they couldn't make heads-or-tails of Firelord's biological makeup because it was so cosmically different from anything else in the universe.
So.
It's not happening. Not in 20 minutes. Not without the proper equipment. And definitely not for Keeper.
C. Selective Memory
Both of our guys have the power to teleport, both will be armed with Surfer's senses (including the microscopic vision). Warlock is undetectable until he strikes, and the magic-block will be working (more on this later).
So their plan of entirely having the initiative is completely erroneous.
D. Power Struggle
We simply have more power than them. Their attempt to regain all of their Black Alice stuff is necessary, because they'd need all of it to even have a chance, but all it would do is close the gap between them and us.
Not that it matters, because it's gone anyway (again, I'll deal with the magic-block in a bit).
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I'll be responding more to DC than Blair for this post, simply because it seems like DC's points and scans laid the foundation for BW.
Like I said earlier, Warlock's invisibility goes beyond normal methods of shielding. "Beyond reality and causality" is a bit >> telepathic shielding, invisibility, etc. So as much as they'd like you to think they're more undetectable than us, Mr. Outside-the-realm-of-Chaos-and-Order has them trumped.
And once Thor throws his hammer, nearly all of that will be gone anyway.
Microverse? Already dealt with it. Microscopic vision + our own undetectability = owned.
Teleport around the battlefield? Cool, so can we.
And how will teleporting around the battlefield negate the magic-block of Thor? It's encircling such a wide area of the battlefield that nowhere you go will matter, unless you want to BFR yourselves.
The board was a part of regular Surfer too, and Warlock still controlled it. So that bit of logic means nothing.
And as for the "unconscious" part, he actually wasn't. Go ahead and check the scans from our writeup (or my first post again) but Surfer was talking with him, and was noticably pissed about the fact that Warlock could take away control of the board.
As always, Keeper = 616 Surfer (in terms of past experiences, which is all we're concerned with for the purposes of this board debate). So we have proof, yet they would have you believe it's false.
And as for Surfer retaining control over his board around others, it's a moot point (they showed some Stranger scans I think). Stranger didn't soul-link with Surfer. The soul-link is the basis for the board takeover. And since no one else has soul-linked with Surfer, trying to dis-prove Adam by showing others is blatently false.
Dude, that's the same scan I was going to show. It shows that you can't ever get rid of Mjolnir....it always comes back. And in that scan, Mjolnir is going straight toward Champion...in our fight, it will be going too fast to see and spinning wildly around the battlefield, all while we're pounding on their team.
If you think that in all of that, they'll be able to pinpoint the hammer and teleport it, you're dead wrong.
And, let's humor them and say they Do teleport it away once. It returns to Thor, he does it again, and they have the same problem all over again. It buys them a few seconds, at best.
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So sorry, but that plan practically oozes desperation.
Again, .
We outlined what would be getting an upgrade...
1. Thor's strength x50. Apparently they aren't worried about this. Why? I have no idea. This alone makes him the most powerful person in the fight, by far.
2. Flight - So he can move around sans Mjolnir (which will be gone on the magic-block).
3. Energy powers - Like the kind that allowed Spider-Man to one-shot Graviton.
4. Durability? Meh. We never said it would. That's what we have our armor for.
5. And No, it's not just strength. Bio's are notoriously incomplete. Anyway, here's an example:
Sue Storm's power x50 (not physical strength): http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23ad1.jpg
Daredevil's senses x50. He also gains the ability to see: http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=24la5.jpg
I don't have time right now to similarly dissect Blair's post, but I'll try to leave some general comments on it:
1. Most of his post builds off of DC's incorrect assumptions and points, but there's a few things worth addressing in full...
2. Other heralds - Morg and Firelord are insurance, a mere afterthought. We have them beat in sheer power regardless.
3. Absorbing the Uni-Power won't be happening, especially when we have the power of Surfer multiplied within us many time over. Surfer's as competent an energy wielder as anyone (especially x25), so their power in this department doesn't trump ours.
4. Lasso away Uni-Power? Again, no. The magic-block is in full force. They might buy themselves a second or two, but nothing long enough to do anything to us.
Like I said, I wish I had more time right now, because I don't want it to seem like Blair's post is unimportant. But I think I addressed nearly everything of pertinence at the moment, so that should start us off well.
Good luck to everyone, keep it clean (this means you BW )
Why not just hold up a giant sign that says "Here we are and we can't see anything"?
If nothing gets in then you have no way to perceive the world around you ... no light means no sight, no sound means you can't hear.
The fact that one point in the entire battlefield is reflecting energy will be like a magnesium flare on a pitch black night to the energy sensing powers of our characters.
Interesting .... completely ineffective, but interesting .. our team possesses far greater amounts of Power Cosmic than yours, anything you can do, we can do better, faster and harder.
Loki can make people "almost" as powerful as he is ... it's not a constant thousandfold power magnification.
"Almost" as powerful as Loki just isn't going to cut it at this level.
The number 1,000 in that context just shows that Loki's mental powers were already more than that many times greater than the guy he's watching.
Bios aren't perfect, we found what we could, Digi already showed proof that every aspect of the bonded character gets the same upgrade.
Spider-Man didn't have full access to the Uni-Power until the last issue of that story.
Those scans are from when the Uni-Power's powers were all messed up and it wasn't in control of itself, that isn't the case here ... plus your guys would have no idea the UP is even with our team.
Not any more, Multiplied power cosmic + Mjolnir + Captain Universe powers (and the fact that he gave away 30% of his power cosmic) knocks Keeper back to a distant Third place (Behind the upgraded Warlock)
The magical enhancements you are attempting to teleport it with wont exist the instant Mjolnir leaves Uni-Thor's hand.
Not to mention (though I will anyway) that the teleportation enhancements, which are still below Loki's own powers, couldn't possibly reach that far.
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Because we're not wasting a few moments searching for you before we attack, as soon as the match starts we're making the preemptive magic block attack, as soon as it starts (while you are still searching for us) all of your magical enhancements simply disappear.
We have evidence that power cosmic can be transferred and that's all we were doing.
Marvel's powers vanished when the match began, The ability to map Keeper's genetic sequence and then create a formula to share AS Superman's powers is beyond your teams capabilities ... Superman took days, minimum, to perform that task with the aid of Kryptonian supercomputers and tireless robots doing most of the work for him ... 20 minutes of wishful thinking are not going to produce similar results in 2 beings he has never mapped.
Black Alice knows about the truth properties of the lasso because that power is fairly common knowledge on DC earth, there is nothing to suggest she knows anything other than the most basic aspects of WW's powers.
Also, snaring MM from behind? so what? our characters will be zipping about at lightspeed.
Not that it matters, BA's powers will be completely nullified as soon as the match starts.
Nope, we don't care about making sure you have magical powers ... after our last couple of matches against Juggernaut and Absorbing Man we aren't taking any chances, therefore, we're nixing any magical abilities before they can present themselves as a problem.
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In Summary, The Uni-Power does everything we said it could in our prep = Thor x 50 + Surfer x 25 + Uni-Power.
Warlock also has major power cosmic upgrades.
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Keeper - reduced power cosmic, magic add ons severed and the incredibly doubtful Kryptonian power-up not working
This guy isn't even a challenge.
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AS Superman - no magic boost
His strength is now far below par for this match ... it's unlikely that he could hurt either of our characters.
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Black Alice - No magic at all, incredibly doubtful Kryptonian power-up not working
Little girl lost ... may as well send her home, she just became a huge liability
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Uru armour ... meh, Uru isn't that tough without enchantments ... classic Thor has easily broken it with his fingers before ... both of our characters strength levels far surpass classic Thor.
Also, all it takes is a single touch from Uni-Thor to turn that armour into your indestructible coffin.
Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper
1. Microverse, our cloaking.
Still not really reading our posts? We are SHIELDED from all types of sight, Keeper is reflecting ALL forms of energy and light from us, including every possible energy type of electromagnetic spectrum. You CAN’T see us. You aren’t going to pick us up from the unlimited number of atoms, hell; we could be hiding behind one. And you DEFENITELY aren’t going to find us before we attack you and teleport your hammer the hell away in the same time.
And we can’t detect Warlock…but Thor is just there in plain sight, you didn’t cloak him at all. His hammer is teleported away the first second the battle starts. And as soon as Warlock ATTACKS us or does anything else, we know where he is, like documented in IG.
And you say we can’t hear or see anything…we don’t need to. We have cosmic awareness, telepathy and telekinesis AND the freaking Wisdom of Solomon
2. All-Star Superman Serum
A) The robot is not making the serum. It is operating the sewing machine, like Superman even says, again in the scan you show yourselves: http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page21nd3.jpg
Superman made the serum all by himself. The scans you showed shows it again…”I wanted to make your birthday present”.
B) The only reason WHY it took so long was because it took him so long to read and memorize the DNA code…and with Keeper who can read stuff on DNA level from 1000 bodies at once, and do it all in second, this is passed. Again, the scans show it.
C) Surfer’s biological makeup isn’t the same as Firelord’s (who is made out of living plasma, Surfer on the other hand has shown to actually bleed). Besides, none of those people are heralds themselves. And Surfer knows his own DNA pattern better then anyone…and he shares mindlink with AS-Supes and has COMPLETE access to all his knowledge and memories which enable him to make the formula to himself.
D) With Keeper's powers, we do not need to "incubate" or go through the whole process of making the potion. We can just create the finalized product. It really is quite simple.
You aren’t debunking the plan with that effort…everything we do is proved.
3. Teleporting
You are right in the whole Sandu thing probably for distances…but Sandu’s powers alone are enough for the teleporting tricks we need, like the scans show. We have Keeper’s telepathy and telekinesis too to support us in that area.
4. Uni-Power
There are obviously yet some continuing misconceptions about the Uni-Power, and I guess it is up to me to fix them. After I saw that they are using the Uni-Power, I went and started researching about every Captain Universe comic there is.
A) Space Phantom TURNING into Uni-Power?
This is the first question that popped into my mind after I researched it. HOW exactly do they justify that Space Phantom can turn into Uni-Power? Thus far, EVERY single character he has turned into comics is flesh and blood (except for their equipment of course). The bio, again which they supplied themselves says that he
Uni-Power isn’t anything like that. It’s pure energy. Part of the Enigma Force. It’s active energy-agent. It’s like saying that they would turn into Green Lantern ring or Power Cosmic or Phoenix Force. Sentient energy, yes, but in the same way that computer is sentient, it is programmed to do certain things by the E-force. And like it is shown in comics...mind isn’t what is necessary for Space Phantom to borrow…but he borrows their BODIES. Uni-Power doesn’t have a body, it’s either a floating energy globule or inside a Captain Universe.
I am going to need more proof of Space Phantom’s capabilities until I believe that he can just turn into Uni-Power like that.
B) Uni-Power’s instability.
Now, nearly every time Uni-Power has bonded with something or someone, it has been acting different. Sometimes it gives you the standard power set, sometimes something else. Sometimes it guides you, sometimes it doesn’t talk at all.
The first Captain Universe, Ray Coffin had no superhuman powers, so he had the general set of powers that Uni-Power gives. During this time, Uni-Power wasn’t even sentient here, simply part of the Enigma Force that was given to Coffin. Bruce Banner was given Uni-Power to square against Bannerless Hulk and was able to use the Uni-Vision. Elijah Jackson, in the short time did not display anything else then superhuman strength. Roland Taylor was all wonky with his psychosis and Uni-Power actually seemed to leave a part of itself in him…
Ted Simmons could not even control his own powers in the way he wanted. Evan Swann had pretty standard set of Uni-Powers, although to better degree. Steve, Ray Coffin’s son, could create forms like GL, but he was much less durable in the beginning then other Uni-Power wearers (was hurt by cold for example), even though he had the full Uni-Power from the start.
That was how Uni-Power acted on normal humans…it’s entirely different in super humans.
With Daredevil, it increased his senses, but Daredevil’s body was not augmented much, he for example didn’t fly at all. Invisible Woman seemed to be augmented all along. Hulk didn’t do anything with Uni-Power that he could not have done without. X-23 didn’t fly either or show much superpowers. Doctor Strange wasn’t augmented at all, the Uni-Power only merged him with another guy. On a normal Badoon soldier, Uni-Power made him so powerful that he could easily escape the Crimson Bands and beat Doctor Strange’s ass. Spider-Man’s speed didn’t seem to be affected at all, and he wasn’t really powerful as Captain Universe, and the Uni-Power acted VERY unstable with him.
Now, they are trying to claim that they somehow get the optimal conditions of Uni-Power, and everything in them is powered by fifty times. Besides of this NEVER happening in comics, there is also another thing that will make it 100% sure of never happening.
C) Uni-Power’s with Space Phantom.
Now hear me out.
The reason why they have had Space Phantom to be so good with the characters they have had him turn into is because of the Soul Link they have had with the characters he turns into.
But Adam Warlock has never even met Uni-Power, discussed with it, or even had ANY connections at all to Captain Universe. The soul link with Surfer happened ages before he was combined with Captain Universe, so they can’t go into that. If they go about how Warlock was merged with everything when he had the IG and knows everything to this date…they have to prove that he actually retains information about the Uni-Power, because Warlock has been surprised crapload of times after he had the IG. I could give you hundreds of examples.
For example, how about the time Magus gained control of the IG and was going to destroy the Universe? Pretty big thing to forget, eh?
So, let’s say that Space Phantom can turn into Uni-Power (which there is no proof that he can). So Space Phantom is Uni-Power…with Space Phantom’s mind! He has NO knowledge of how Uni-Power works, no previous experience with being a blob of energy, no experiences of Captain Universes…NOTHING. Sure, he can use simple powers like energy blasts or superhuman speed or so, but how does he handle being extra dimensional entity with no body or anything similar to your original form? Again, ALL the things he has turned into before have been humanoids with relatively simple-to-use powers.
Imagine that you are put in the body of something you have NEVER experienced before, or even heard of. Let’s say an earthworm. You have no previous experience of how to move without arms or legs, get any information from your surroundings, how to breathe with your body, how do eat…you’d die in five minutes, tops.
Because that is what their situation is. They put Space Phantom into the body of something that is 100% different from anything he has been before, and then claim that he can give their characters the OPTIMAL, the BEST possible result of Uni-Power-upgrade that can be given to a character. The mystical nature of Thor apparently doesn’t matter at all, or the multitudes of different powers and things he has in his body…no…someone who has ZERO, NADA, ZILCH experience of being the Uni-Power is going to raise ALL of them to 50x, without any sort of failure or mistake.
Sorry, but give me a break. It’s like replacing a NASA supercomputer with the brain of 2-year old and attempting it to calculate all the variables of a supernova explosion with perfect results. Simply insane.
They way how unstable and complicated Uni-Power is, I don’t think Space Phantom would even know how to give powers. All the inherent Uni-Power knowledge is gone. They are left with powerful extra dimensional force that they can’t use.
That is a Surfer who was knocked out. Are you saying he was just lying there because he was feeling lazy? Maybe he likes big strong men to carry him around? Didnt think so. So this, "And as for the "unconscious" part, he actually wasn't. Go ahead and check the scans from our writeup (or my first post again) but Surfer was talking with him, and was noticably pissed about the fact that Warlock could take away control of the board" was after he woke up. When he had no control, was the only time Warlock had control.
So please, PLEASE, tell me you are not actually thinking that Warlock can take control of the boards. ESPECIALLY when you have not countered the fact that they expanded in Thor's brain with the quantum atom slicing spikes.
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Magic-Hammer:
Please. You practically didn’t prove…that ANYTHING we said was wrong.
A) Thor’s hammer DOES return, ALWAYS, but in the scan, it is teleported to another dimension, hence it comes through the portal. Also champion refused to deny it its course. Meaning he could have. We, on the other hand, don’t teleport it DIMENSIONALLY, but across a distance. It’s not portaling through anything because it’s not in another dimension; it will fly back like it always does. In this case though, it’s flying back from a lot LONGER distance.
B) Are you kidding? You are actually saying that the hammer will be going too fast for our characters to notice it? Err, combined reaction times of Captain Marvel, Surfer and All-Star Superman…try again. Freaking JUGGERNAUT could follow it with his eyes, and weren’t you writing a lot about how slow-ass Juggernaut is in your first match? Our SPEED isn’t up for questioning here. Especially when we teleported it in the first move, while in your scenario you have to detect our magical abilities first.
C) Even if it would be away for just 00000000000.1th of second, we would still have time to teleport it yet AGAIN. And like documented in thousands of different scans, it takes usually at least a second for it to come back. Second is like a freaking hour to our guys.
D) You simply don’t have any way of stopping us from teleporting it continually away your reach. Simple as that. Our magic buffs aren’t taken anywhere. And may I also remind you that you only have two members right now, we have three. Even if you are attacking us, there is still one team member teleporting the hammer away. It will take only small part of our concentration, so it’s no trouble.
E) You go from first stating, and I quote,
"Mjolnir can detect magical energies, so Thor will know what he’s dealing with and act accordingly"
all the way to
"Nope, we don't care about making sure you have magical powers...after our last couple of matches against Juggernaut and Absorbing Man we aren't taking any chances, therefore, we're nixing any magical abilities before they can present themselves as a problem."
Someone changing strategies? Besides no one on your team has ANY idea what our characters can do. Even if you had been given names, no one on your team know's of the Keeper, Superman, or Black Alice. Taking a guess that we have magical powers is you as Scoobless/Digi using knowledge that your characters know nothing about. MAYBE if you could blast us to detect us like Thor did with Juggs, it would be plausible. Considering that you cannot find us? We teleported the hammer in the very beginning, while we telepathically and telekinetically lashed out at you, WHILE you have a surfboard expanding in your brain with atom slicing quantum spikes. Your plan is made of BS. Sorry.
Besides, even if some judges looked at the option that the power's were gone, the Uru hammers and armour still have the combined power's of SENTINEL, NIGHTSHADE, LOKI, Superman's HEAT VISION, and QUANTUM ENERGY. Plus the hell metal that enhances magic? Combined? It STILL wtfpwns all the energy power's you have.
Scoobless says. "Black Alice knows about the truth properties of the lasso because that power is fairly common knowledge on DC earth, there is nothing to suggest she knows anything other than the most basic aspects of WW's powers."
Except that she gains knowledge of the powers she takes? Doing spells as Zatanna, doing magic like Dr. Fate, knowing how to use Spectre's powers. Sorry, but she knows what she is doing. To top it all off? No one in DC earth besides a very select few know what the magic word SHAZAM does to Billy and Adam, and even less know about the word in the first place. Guess who did? Thats right, Black Alice. She has more than a basic understanding of her power's now anyways since Fate trained her off-panel.
Also a point to consider, it is just an extension of the truth. It is the truth of who you really are, and reverting back to that stage.
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Thoughts of the Match/Question's to Ponder
Considering that we took out your hammer, used the Surfboards with atom slicing quantum spikes on your soft insides, and TP/TK outlashed at you while hidden from you, nothing that we have said is false. We have also not deviated from our original plan, unlike you. First you say Thor will find out if we are magical then use his hammer, then change to having him use it from the very beginning.
How exactly do you plan on attacking us? The magic negating hammer all you have? Because we took out the hammer AND attacked you from the VERY beginning. Warlock's energy has been shown to be absorbed by the Quantum Bands, Thor would have a surfboard in his brain, and we have a lasso reverting you back to depowered levels. SP would be of no consequence thanks to it.
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Final Thoughts/Note to the Judges
They would have you believe that they got in the first attack. Not going to happen based on the events put forth by both side's. They did not take into account that we would be totally undetectable, and will fall because of it.
They decided to change tactics when it suited them for Thor. However, being that our first response takes precedence over theirs (being that we were undetected, while Thor was sitting out in the open) the hammer plays no part in this battle.
If we continue to the logical conclusion as to what the consequences for these two things mean for the other team, you should start feeling sorry for the other team as demise is the only thing left for them.
Yes we are ... you, however, seem to be just plain ignoring ours.
It'd be like trying to hide from Superman by using a lead shield ... one quick look and he'd find the ONLY area on the battlefield where you could possibly be hiding.
The Wisdom of DC Solomon ... who knows nothing about Thor, Warlock, Space Phantom or Captain Universe ... not that it matters as the connection to all magical powers was taken from you the instant the fight began.
The robot is clearly making the serum ... unless you think that sewing requires a supercomputer with the ability mix liquid chemicals.
So therefore, Superman does not hold every piece of information relevant to the process in his head as you would like to believe.
DNA is only a part of it. Once the DNA code has been mapped and stored, individual compounds must be created to specifically match the massively disparate biology's of the characters involved ... this is where supercomputers and tireless supercomputer-minded robots come into play ... and even they require days to complete the process for each person involved.
There is zero chance of your plan working.
Sandu-esque powers haven't even shown the ability to teleport more than a couple of thousand miles.
Keepers powers are reduced by almost a third in this match, whereas our Surfer powers are vastly augmented ... you can't compete on our level in that field.
It's nothing like that, GL rings and co are not living beings.
Well, you managed to pick the two stories where the Uni-Power is not at it's normal level.
During the DareDevil/Hulk/X-23/Invisible Woman story the Uni-Power had actually lost most of it's powers, it regained them by merging with those characters and copying/augmenting their natural abilities... it did little for Hulk because he was the first person it joined with.
After the Surfer part of the story it had regained all it's former powers.
Spider-Man never had full access to the Uni-Power until the very end of the story where he pwned the Tri-Sentinal ... even when he punched Hulk into orbit he didn't have nearly the full power of Captain Universe.
Adam Warlock melded with Strange and Strange had knowledge of the Uni-Power.
Our guys can control Surfer's board via the soul link (which has been proved) whether they take complete control or just mess up your control, the results are the same.
It does ... but as you guys wont be doing anything to it, it wont have to.
Juggernaut noticed that it didn't hit him, nothing more.
Our two members are both more powerful than your three members combined, having two of them go one-on-one while the other is off playing by themselves would be suicide.
Nope, just a simple miscommunication.
Space Phantom is my character, as SP and Thor are combined, my posts are the more relevant ones regarding Uni-Thor.
Thor throws the hammer the instant the match begins due to the fact that, in both our previous matches, we've gone up against magical characters that have given us trouble ... we're simply taking that option away before it has a chance to present itself.
It isn't a strategy that depends on finding you (unlike all of your plans that are completely dependant on locating us)
We don't care, but at this point the same is true in reverse ... Keeper has never met a Morg/Firelord/Surfer x25/armoured Warlock or a Captain Universe/Herald Thor before.
You created the Uru using Surfer's transmutation abilities, we can un-create it in exactly the same way (or with a touch using Captain Universe's power)
Sentinel, Nightshade and Loki's powers all disappeared the instant the match began with one throw of a hammer.
That's nice ... though it doesn't change the fact that we rendered her inconsequential with one deft hammer-flinging motion.
God Squad >>> Trio in Energy/Strength/Durability and we took away your magical powerups
A. Just to clarify, that scan Scoob posted of Strange with the Uni-Power happened pre-Infinity Gauntlet, when they had their soul-link. So Warlock does have knowledge of it. Moving on...
B. Thor is throwing the hammer in a pre-emptive strike as soon as the fight starts. The Uni-Power-enhanced reflexes/strength will ensure that this happens before their team can do anything. By the time they notice that Black Alice's enhancements are gone, we'll have detected them and will be destroying them before they can even think about locating Mjolnir to teleport.
They post a scan of someone porting Mjolnir when it's directly in front of himself and expect us to believe that they'll locate Mjolnir as it's flying around the battefield at light speed, far away from them, and we're fighting them?!?! Utterly ridiculous.
C. SP has become inanimate objects before...I'll leave it to Scoob, since it's his character, but it's not an issue. Uni-Power is sentient anyway, so it really shouldn't matter.
Besides, they're equating the Uni-Power with pure energy or something. Kinda weird. SP doesn't become "power cosmic" when he becomes Surfer, just like he doesn't become the Enigma Force when changing to the Uni-Power. The base source doesn't = the product.
D. They used a Surfer feat to explain their microverse strategy. We have the power of 25 of him in both of us. We also have microscopic vision via Surfer's powers, which enables us to locate them. That nonsense with the microverse is clever, but it won't be doing a damn thing to our team. We find them, we stomp them. Simple as that.
E. So, Keeper can analyze his own DNA completely, create the materials needed to create a Superman formula (that Supes didn't even make himself) and calculate the exact modifications needed for the formula to accomodate his and BA's particular DNA structure???
In 10 seconds?
Or even 20 minutes?
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Part II. New Tactics
We didn't want to use up all of our ingenuity in our writeup, so we've been saving these.
1. Backstory: The magic-block works...we've shown that. Their teleport trick is complete bull. It's cutting off their magic well before they do anything in the battle.
Strategy: After we've cut their magic off and dealt with Black Alice (which won't be hard...take away her magic, and even if you believe the AS Supes formula stuff, she'll be roadkill in minutes) we do the following to AS Supes: http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?...ammerpincg3.jpg
...and we let Odin's enchantments take care of the rest. He can't lift Mjolnir. No one can besides Thor (and select others, not including anyone on their team).
He's a sitting duck, and unable to move. By this point, BA will be gone anyway, as will any magical upgrade Supes has, so this just adds insult to injury.
2. Omni-Directional Lightning Blast. Nuf Said. http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energy1ps0.jpg
...so Superman, any version, is a being based off of solar charge. The same solar charge that gets drained of its charge when struck with lightning.
Physics 101. Thor's base powers (whether control / lightning) can attack the weakness of at least AS Supes, and possibly all 3 (again, if you believe the forumla junk).
Warlock's pissed. Why? Because he's been getting ignored. "Thor can/can't do this. SP can/can't do that..." Blah blah blah. Warlock can take anyone on their team, probably any two. Such a force shouldn't be getting ignored.
1. They've been playing up their "invisible" strategy (which is anything but...I actually liked Scoob's Superman/lead analogy). But they're forgetting who has the truer undetectability. He's beyond reality....and I've posted the scans to prove that, with abstracts echoing my very words.
He won't be detected until he decides to strike. And when he does, there's going to be one Good-Lord of an ass-whupping.
He's got the power of 25 Surfers in him. And with their magic gone, and their Superman formula dubious (at best) he could probably take anyone on their team even at his base level. So this is just a curbstomp of the highest order.
...all those people there were physically superior to Warlock. He beat them with cunning and skill....just like he'll dissect BW/DC's Trio.
If you've seen the tourney at all or know about his character, you know he's fit for the tourney. He can best characters like Surfer, Quasar and Drax in single combat. Amusingly, BW/DC showed a Warlock-vs-Quasar fight earlier to their benefit...but if they had posted it all, they would have seen Quasar losing.
And again, that's at base level. What we're talking about with our upgrades is so far removed from that, much of this isn't even needed.
He's undetectable, he's the most skilled in the tourney, he's the smartest in the tourney, and now he's pissed.
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Part IV. Closing
Hopefully that should clear everything up. DC/BW have done an admirable job calling us to task on our strategy, but it's all legit, and we don't require something that took days (the forumla) to pull it off
Hell, I could make a case for us winning at purely base levels. Our power meshes just make this a non-fight....they're done, plain and simple.
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