The Obama Deception

The Obama Deception:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNgRqGa1k4&feature=related (1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-sxq-YbTsg&feature=related (2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThjSREO3DrM&feature=related (3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B-2cbWtbjw&feature=related (4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlo0gUkQFTo&feature=related (5)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahM4VC93iWA&feature=related (6)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_p5NVvXQdU&feature=related (7)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvpAwnKZtD8&feature=related (8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IRq7y5q6BM&feature=related (9)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qQ-epj0pXc&feature=related (10)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJM-gNIHAr0&feature=related (11)

Deception

Deception (also called beguilement, deceit, bluff, or subterfuge) is the act of convincing another to believe information that is not true, or not the whole truth as in certain types of half-truths.

Deception involves concepts like propaganda, distraction and/or concealment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception

An international regulatory body wouldn't have economic power per se because they don't actually get their hands on money. That's been the problem with them in the past. Because they are effectively civil servants, they don't get paid large sums of money yet they need the best economic minds in order to keep financial systems from committing practices that cause problems like the current one. The best minds in economics aren't going to go for those jobs. They're going to be the ones going for the highest paid and most powerful jobs in the financial sector so you end up with a regulatory body with a bunch of average economic minds trying to keep tabs on the biggest geniuses in economics. They just end up getting the piss taken out of them and have no real power anyway.

This is what happened in the UK with regards to the Financial Services Authority (FSA). They had a whole raft of economic powers but their relative lack of economic experience and knowledge meant that the people in the financial industry stayed 1 or several steps ahead of them.

Codex Alimentarius -

do some research

Should we blame AIG for throwing the money away or should we blame the people in the treasury department who are constantly seeking to reward them for it?

Our treasury department is corrupt. Just a thought. There is something bigger going on here than AIG. Much bigger.

As of this moment, the treasury department is free to make whatever decisions it wants to regarding the American citizen's money. And there is not a damn thing we the people can do about it. If congress does not go along with what the treasury department wishes, they are bombarded by the media for not doing so, and are threatened with the possibility of both physical and psychological harm.

If you want to see how much power the American people have in stopping this process of giving our money away without our permission, try banding together in a majority all over the United States and demand that not a single dollar be given out again on failing corporations and banks and watch what happens. What do you think your current government would do? Do you think they would listen to you? Fat chance.

It's YOUR money. It's money that could have gone to help the homeless, to help secure social security, to help the sick, to help the animals, to help the planet, to help eachother.

And who does it go to instead? Failing banks and corporations. Well guess what folks, the American people are failing. We are losing our jobs left and right, we are losing our houses, we are losing our cars, our ability to receive education, our ability to pay for food, and what are we getting for it? Next to nothing (as compared to the billions and billions and billions that are being given to the failing banks and corporations). And then the CEOs of the banks and corporations (who are already rich and doing very well) are being given Millions of dollars for free! As gifts! For doing nothing! For being the "captains" of ships that are burning and sinking! Meanwhile we can barely hang onto our lives as we know them! The banks and corporations get billions of dollars. BILLIONS! And we get a few hundred dollars a week for unemployment. Hmmmm...billions to hundreds....something seem a little wrong with that ratio? And who has been working our asses off our entire lives to pay into the system? We have! Not the banks, and not the corporations. And what do we get for doing that? High-way Robbery.

The treasury department is the problem folks. Until we stop the children who are running it from spending all of our money, we will see more and more companies abuse their "handouts" like AIG. It is only the tip of the iceberg. The problem starts with the treasury department of the United States Government. Turn your attention towards them. They are the ones who create the policies of giving away our money. They are the ones who are to blame. Not AIG. AIG is just ONE of the many consequences of the treasury departments decisions. The very same desicions that will continue to be made everyday without the American people's permission. Decisions that will end up destroying our country and our way of life until the day we finally draw the line and put and end to it.

You're only accusing him of all this because he's black.

Yeah, I said it. Let's not ignore the elephant in the room gentlemen.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
You're only accusing him of all this because he's black.

Yeah, I said it. Let's not ignore the elephant in the room gentlemen.

That arguement is not going to work when the facts are presented as the days go on.

And second, you have no way of knowing what color me or Jaden is, so you are a fool to jump to conclusions like that.

And lastly, you have no valid argument against these facts so the only card you can play is the race card.

Race was not mentioned a single time in this thread until you brought it up. I am not going to play that game with you. It has nothing to do with race....and for your information, the treasury department of the United States is neither black or white. It's just plain corrupt.

SO what can be done? It seems to me to be too late. The power brokers are Untouchable. All a Citizen can do is vote and if the Bankers own The Govt. then "We the people" have now power. DO we fight? Do we Storm the next World Banker meetings and gun them down? What is there for us to do? The Machine is in place. What is a man against a Tank? I have been interested in this subject for a long time. I have weapons,canned goods,water but, can I and my Family escape and survive this? It pains me to say I dont think so. I am asking....What is the solution.

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
SO what can be done? It seems to me to be too late. The power brokers are Untouchable. All a Citizen can do is vote and if the Bankers own The Govt. then "We the people" have now power. DO we fight? Do we Storm the next World Banker meetings and gun them down? What is there for us to do? The Machine is in place. What is a man against a Tank? I have been interested in this subject for a long time. I have weapons,canned goods,water but, can I and my Family escape and survive this? It pains me to say I dont think so. I am asking....What is the solution.

It's not difficult to make a bank fall. Organise a run on 1 bank at a time.

NUKE!! I knew you couldnt abandon us!

Originally posted by jaden101
It's not difficult to make a bank fall. Organise a run on 1 bank at a time.

I don't really know what you are eluding to? How dose one "run a Bank"? Do you ask everyone at that Bank (Investors,savings account holders, etc.) to withdraw all their accounts and stock???? One would be hard pressed to persuade individuals, Family, to withdraw all their paper assets. Or am I missing what you are presenting.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
You're only accusing him of all this because he's black.

Yeah, I said it. Let's not ignore the elephant in the room gentlemen.
That post is just plain moronic as always.If you ever bothered to read Winters threads you would know he has talked about autrocities that "Bush and Clinton" have committed MANY tiems since he has been here.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
That arguement is not going to work when the facts are presented as the days go on.

And second, you have no way of knowing what color me or Jaden is, so you are a fool to jump to conclusions like that.

And lastly, you have no valid argument against these facts so the only card you can play is the race card.

Race was not mentioned a single time in this thread until you brought it up. I am not going to play that game with you. It has nothing to do with race....and for your information, the treasury department of the United States is neither black or white. It's just plain corrupt.

thats why his posts have no credibility in them cause like you said,race was never mentioned a single time in this thread.Since he has no valid argument against the facts,thats what he comes back with.Seems to me HE must be black.otherwise WHY object to saying Obama is corrupt when you have said that about Bush and Clinton many times in the past?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
thats why his posts have no credibility in them cause like you said,race was never mentioned a single time in this thread.Since he has no valid argument against the facts,thats what he comes back with.Seems to me HE must be black.otherwise WHY object to saying Obama is corrupt when you have said that about Bush and Clinton many times in the past?

Your guess is as good as mine Parker.

And no Jack, Abandonment was never part of the plan. =) Just had to break my rule on this one though I could not sleep at night if I didn't.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
You're only accusing him of all this because he's black.

Yeah, I said it. Let's not ignore the elephant in the room gentlemen.

He,s not black but a mixture like most people in the world today, so stop trying to hush people up with the race card

With 16 replies, I thought this thread would have an interesting discussion.

I was disappointed, but not surprised.

To the people who took Blax's post seriously, I laugh muchly.

Ron Paul on the Budget and the G20

Friday, April 3, 2009

On Thursday, Dr. Paul sat down with legislative assistant Paul-Martin Foss to give his thoughts on the budget, global economic regulation, and the gold standard.

Here is the video of the interview:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-on-the-budget-and-the-g20.html

Aren't they just talking about policies in relationship to the trade markets? It's not like they're trying to take over the world. And exactly what part of that is the Obama deception? Also using Fox news as a news source is quite funny. They're an entertainment network. Here's another google search you can do that's a lot more informative than the one you posted using New World Order
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS307US307&q=fox+news+blatantly+lie&btnG=Search
oh and this is what was said at the g20 conference:

G-20 Shapes New World Order

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
I don't really know what you are eluding to? How dose one "run a Bank"? Do you ask everyone at that Bank (Investors,savings account holders, etc.) to withdraw all their accounts and stock???? One would be hard pressed to persuade individuals, Family, to withdraw all their paper assets. Or am I missing what you are presenting.

You don't have to persuade anyone. You simply have someone in the financial sector start a rumour that a bank is failing and the panicky idiotic public will do the rest themselves.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/business_money/the+northern+rock+bank+run/802462

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_run

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bank_runs

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Aren't they just talking about policies in relationship to the trade markets? It's not like they're trying to take over the world. And exactly what part of that is the Obama deception? Also using Fox news as a news source is quite funny. They're an entertainment network. Here's another google search you can do that's a lot more informative than the one you posted using New World Order
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS307US307&q=fox+news+blatantly+lie&btnG=Search
oh and this is what was said at the g20 conference:

G-20 Shapes New World Order

How bout watching some of the videos I posted? The Alex Jones ones? You'll see where Obama fits in.

Where exactly is the proof that anyones covering anything up? We already know exactly whats going on. Also, Congress are the ones in charge of oversight of things like that, not Obama. And yet again, just saying something doesn't mean it's real. What was Blacks proof that there has been any cover up or attempt to deceive?

Thanks Parker you know if you get that book and learn alot from it I would be most grateful if you could pass along some of that info on here. Perhaps an Obama thread to go along with your Clinton one?

That book sounds so good though that I may end up getting it myself. =) People need to learn all they can about this man. It's "Mega-importante" As Jaden would say. lol.

sure.glad to hear that you hadnt already talked about it here.yeah I'll let you know WHEN I get it.I for sure am going to,and if I see things in there scary as hell like there is about clinton,you can bet I'll make an Obama thread as well.as you already know,every president who gets in is always worse than the previous one whether it be the demopublicans or the reprocrats and Obama aint no different than his other evil CFR mates Clinton and Bush.

Obama is the latest puppet for the Illuminati who is willing to do their bidding.people need to wake up and get it through their heads what dangerous times were in and that there is no difference between the two parties and understand that if there isnt a revolution by the people soon and we dont overthrow the corrupt people in congress soon and get a third party created soon,there isnt any hope for the future of the world and our grandchildren are in for a nightmarish hell in the future years.their going to have it far worse than we ever have had it if that doesnt happen.Obama has lied about everything he was going to do going back a a year ago.If you go back and look at his speechs from back then,they'll hear how he was talking about bringing the troops HOME.what does he go and do? he calls up for something of a 100,000 more troops to be deployed to afhanistan before the year is over.making HELLARY secretary of state? making 21 of his 27 staff members former aides of clintons the people voted out of office? keeping former cabinet members of the bush administration in his cabinet? yeah thats real change all right. how many more lies do president have to commit before people around here wake up and smell the coffee that american is a fascist state now?

Originally posted by NuclearWinter

That book sounds so good though that I may end up getting it myself. =) People need to learn all they can about this man. It's "Mega-importante" As Jaden would say. lol.

Na I probably wouldn't.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
sure.glad to hear that you hadnt already talked about it here.yeah I'll let you know WHEN I get it.I for sure am going to,and if I see things in there scary as hell like there is about clinton,you can bet I'll make an Obama thread as well.as you already know,every president who gets in is always worse than the previous one whether it be the demopublicans or the reprocrats and Obama aint no different than his other evil CFR mates Clinton and Bush.

Obama is the latest puppet for the Illuminati who is willing to do their bidding.people need to wake up and get it through their heads what dangerous times were in and that there is no difference between the two parties and understand that if there isnt a revolution by the people soon and we dont overthrow the corrupt people in congress soon and get a third party created soon,there isnt any hope for the future of the world and our grandchildren are in for a nightmarish hell in the future years.their going to have it far worse than we ever have had it if that doesnt happen.Obama has lied about everything he was going to do going back a a year ago.If you go back and look at his speechs from back then,they'll hear how he was talking about bringing the troops HOME.what does he go and do? he calls up for something of a 100,000 more troops to be deployed to afhanistan before the year is over.making HELLARY secretary of state? making 21 of his 27 staff members former aides of clintons the people voted out of office? keeping former cabinet members of the bush administration in his cabinet? yeah thats real change all right. how many more lies do president have to commit before people around here wake up and smell the coffee that american is a fascist state now?
Alright Broseph. Sounds good. I'll watch you handle that one. And as for the other stuff you said, I agree with it 100%. If I tried to find any flaws in it, I couldn't. And the sad part is neither could anyone else on this board. Because it's the Truth.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Alright Broseph. Sounds good. I'll watch you handle that one. And as for the other stuff you said, I agree with it 100%. If I tried to find any flaws in it, I couldn't. And the sad part is neither could anyone else on this board. Because it's the Truth.
you all never really did listen to obamas speeches did you? I'm assuming you just caught the abridged Faux News version. He shifted soldires from Iraq to Afghan b/c that's where they were actually needed. And he did bring troops back home. Oh and you stated that this country was founded on judeo-christian values? http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007/03/the-us-founding-fathers-their-religious-beliefs-cont/
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html
also...
The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

I watched the DVD not so long ago. It was alright - it kept my attention for almost 2 hours.

I finally got the chance to watch the video Winter.Man that is some great stuff there.All those idiots in chicago who were going ape crazy over him getting elected,when they see this DVD,their going to realize what a bunch of idiot dupes they were.That he is no different than Clinton or Bush.A lot of great stuff there on the banking system,talking about how they made several attempts to kill Andrew Jackson since he tried to expose them and that they killed Lincoln as well cause he succeeded temporary getting rid of the private bank of England. and also killing Kennedy cause he wanted to get rid of the fed-the last good president we had of course.Great to see how Jones talked about the kennedy assassination in there.

Yes glad to see that you saw it Parker. I was extremely impressed by the quality of it as well. Makes a nice addition to End Game his last movie.

Peter Schiff On Glenn Beck: Inflation Nation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB9fuIvksLw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prisonplanet.com%2Fglenn-beck-highlights-threat-of-martial-law-following-economic-crisis.html&feature=player_embedded

That's definitely something I think is total nonsense. "Cyber-Katrina"...I've rarely seen such blatent scaremongering aimed to rile up people who are ignorant of such matters.

I'd also like to know what they mean by "real threats" because I notice none are actually specified.

It also seems to hint that the government network isn't secure as of now. Surely you would make sure these sensitive networks are isolated and secure from the public networks that can be abused.

One thing, though, is that I still doubt the government have control over the internet that is currently claimed. If they did there wouldn't be such high volumes of illegal activity on the internet now.

Obama and his administration are not telling us the cold hard facts, and they are making the problem much much worse for our country by throwing more and more of our tax dollars at it with no major beneficial results in return. Basicly in the long run they are only adding fuel to the blaze, and it seems at least to me that they are doing it deliberately. They had to have known that their methods and efforts were only going to end up increasing the problem for all of us over time. And yet, even now they seem to be doing nothing to stop themselves from continuing their behavior. This is a mark of betrayel in my opinion. The betrayel of us as individual tax payers, and the betrayel of our nation as a whole. We mine as well just stamp the word "sucker" on all of our foreheads folks, because right now we're being played as fools.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Alright Broseph. Sounds good. I'll watch you handle that one. And as for the other stuff you said, I agree with it 100%. If I tried to find any flaws in it, I couldn't. And the sad part is neither could anyone else on this board. Because it's the Truth.
yeah unfortunately.the other thing i forgot to mention is that Obama is no different than those other bastards clinton or bush in the fact that he has pardoned Bush for any crimes he committed while he was in office.Presidents violate the constitution all the time.By the law of the constitution :which has been trashed by evil and corrupt men in high power in government and no longer exists anymore along with the bill of rights? by their law,presidents violate the law when they issue a pardon for previous presidents.they do that everytime they come in there.pardon the previous president from any crimes.Also people think he is accomplishing change for us by shutting down Guantanamo Bay.the thing the mainstream media fails to mention though is he is not trying to shut down these other torture camps going on around the world that the us government funds though.The only difference in him and other presidents is that he is the first black CEO president for the Illuminati.

Also Winter many people dont know that Ford when he pardoned that bastard Dick Nixon,that he should have gone to jail because he violated the constitution which of course no longer exists anymore along with the bill of rights.

"The McCain deception", if McCain had won.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
So you do realize that privately owned companies deemed crucial to national security are the banks, water companies, and other things that are not government owned. It's not like they would be spying on normal every day home users, unless said user was trying to hack into said companies. Spreading fear with ignorance is an idiotic thing to do. Has there been any evidence at all that the Obama administration is partaking in secret dark evil things? Because all I've noticed is them trying to figure out ways to get out of the horrible mess that was sat in their lap.

Watch the video man. Obviously this Rockefeller, like all the rest of them I'm sure, are not big fans of the internet. Any policy they create that relates to the internet is sure to be one that centers around controlling it.

He states plainly in the video that , "It makes one ask if the internet should have ever been created", or something along those lines. As if he has anything to say about it's creation. Also....this is a Rockefeller talking this shit. There is no way in hell LDH, no way in all ur bag of tricks, that you could ever get me to respect a member of the Rockefeller family. And to change my opinions of what they are really up to. I know too much about their history. As do many others on this board.

Your blind support for Obama is one thing, but if you're going to try and support one of the Rockefellers and then tell me that I have nothing to worry about, you need to save it because you are just wasting your own time. I'm not buying it.

Originally posted by Robtard
"The McCain deception", if McCain had won.

It probably would be. The title is not where the substance is found. It's catchy though, I'll give you that.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
It probably would be. The title is not where the substance is found. It's catchy though, I'll give you that.
yeah Im sure he would have made that.Their both CFR men and both are evil and corrupt.they both voted to reinstate the patriot act which members of congress have come out and regretted signing without looking at it like the idiots they were since they wernt allowed to look at it.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Watch the video man. Obviously this Rockefeller, like all the rest of them I'm sure, are not big fans of the internet. Any policy they create that relates to the internet is sure to be one that centers around controlling it.

He states plainly in the video that , "It makes one ask if the internet should have ever been created", or something along those lines. As if he has anything to say about it's creation. Also....this is a Rockefeller talking this shit. There is no way in hell LDH, no way in all ur bag of tricks, that you could ever get me to respect a member of the Rockefeller family. And to change my opinions of what they are really up to. I know too much about their history. As do many others on this board.

Your blind support for Obama is one thing, but if you're going to try and support one of the Rockefellers and then tell me that I have nothing to worry about, you need to save it because you are just wasting your own time. I'm not buying it.

yes you obviously havent watched the video in this thread.

The problem with the internet is that it apparently gave every paranoid half-baked moron with faulty logic a voice...and it provided an equally paranoid throng of idiotic sheep with the inability to register a rational thought or the ability to use common sense and figure things out on their own (in a rational manner) as an audience.

Originally posted by Captain REX
To the people who took Blax's post seriously, I laugh muchly. I just read them.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
The problem with the internet is that it apparently gave every paranoid half-baked moron with faulty logic a voice...and it provided an equally paranoid throng of idiotic sheep with the inability to register a rational thought or the ability to use common sense and figure things out on their own (in a rational manner) as an audience.

Not to mention that it also gave you the ability to feel better about yourself by talking down others.....

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
It probably would be. The title is not where the substance is found. It's catchy though, I'll give you that.

With 100% certainty, sir. Conspiracy nutters will always find a conspiracy. Just like 4-8 years from now, the 45th US president will have a conspiracy this, or that.

Edit: Wait, will there be a 45th president in 4-8 years, or will Obama (and Co) seize power completely and set himself as the US emporer, like Bush was supposed to?

To be honest I think the American people are getting fed up with the two headed snake system we have in place at the moment. I see big changes coming for our government and it's entire structure. The American people simply don't have much faith left in it all anymore. I am sure that the people will eventually force the government to come up with a more efficient way of governing.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
To be honest I think the American people are getting fed up with the two headed snake system we have in place at the moment. I see big changes coming for our government and it's entire structure. The American people simply don't have much faith left in it all anymore. I am sure that the people will eventually force the government to come up with a more efficient way of governing.

True enough. People inevitabley tire of any form of government after long enough. Some times it isn't even long at all. You only need to look at Thailand over the last few years to see it.

The problem, from the people's point-of-view is that it's now virtually impossible to effect change through revolution because the physical power that the government can bring down upon those who do revolt is in massive disparity with what protesters can bring. A stark example of which is shown below.

http://souvenirsandscars.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/tank_rock.jpg

So I think forcing government to change has to be done from the inside.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Not to mention that it also gave you the ability to feel better about yourself by talking down others.....

People had the ability to do that long before the Internet. As for me "feeling better" for talking down to others, it's just the opposite. I find it stressful that such people exist "to talk down to". But it would stress me out more if people just sat back and let them prattle on.

Originally posted by jaden101
True enough. People inevitabley tire of any form of government after long enough. Some times it isn't even long at all. You only need to look at Thailand over the last few years to see it.

The problem, from the people's point-of-view is that it's now virtually impossible to effect change through revolution because the physical power that the government can bring down upon those who do revolt is in massive disparity with what protesters can bring. A stark example of which is shown below.

So I think forcing government to change has to be done from the inside.

True enough, but in cultures with a little more wealth and a little more education, I like to think that change can be brought on through other means. It's just finding those with the forethought and testicular fortitude to not only enact change, but enact positive changes.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
To be honest I think the American people are getting fed up with the two headed snake system we have in place at the moment. I see big changes coming for our government and it's entire structure. The American people simply don't have much faith left in it all anymore. I am sure that the people will eventually force the government to come up with a more efficient way of governing.

that will only come when there is a revolution and we get a third party created.Whats encouraging though is people are finally starting to see that congress is ignoring what the people want and that they dont serve the people like the constitution says they are suppose to.It was all over the front page of my newspaper yesterday how on freaking tax day when the government steals our money we make,their were hundreds of people photographed outside the federal reserve bank protesting the IRS with signs that said-end the fed.some had some great ones that read-"end the fed,kennedy tried and died." thats why their were millions of people all over the country on tax day protesting income tax because its illegal against the constitution their starting to learn.How much further proof do people around here need that the government does not serve the interests of the people and only the elite in the fact that they are ignoring and HAVE been ignoring the american people to get rid of the federal reserve?

Its nausiating for me seeing all these OBAMA BIDEN bumper stickers everywhere I go.All those idiots in chicago dont realise he is no different than Bush or Clinton like they want to believe.People are finally waking up-although it might be too late,that the government is not here to serve the people and that we have a two headed snake system that doesnt work.That neither party is for the people.Thats why I was glad to see Obama get elected because everybody thinks he is going to bring great changes when he has proven he has lied about everything he has said he was going to do.

If Mccain had been elected,the people would just go and say-well its the republicans,their still continuing to screw up america.Obama would have pulled us out of these wars. Well NOW they wont be able to say that,their now starting to see that Obama is no different than all those other corrupt presidents such as both Bush presidents,Reagan,Nixon,Clinton after making 21 of his 27 appointees former Clinton appointees,the same corrupt ones people voted out of office and of course keeping some Bush administration members on as well.their starting to see the light that NEITHER party -the reprocrats or the demopublicans are for the people and that congress is bought off and paid for and not here to represent the people either.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Not to mention that it also gave you the ability to feel better about yourself by talking down others.....

same old dog as always.arrogant and disrespectful to everybody in the world who doesnt have his twisted logic and think like he does.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
same old dog as always.arrogant and disrespectful to everybody in the world who doesnt have his twisted logic and think like he does.

I should also add on-and childish in the fact that he has to stoop to name calling and childish insults when people dont share his twisted and warped logic.

Feel better about yourself now that you've gotten all that off your chest, Parker?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
same old dog as always.arrogant and disrespectful to everybody in the world who doesnt have his twisted logic and think like he does.



I don't think I really need to point out who that describes more than any other person in this forum.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
that will only come when there is a revolution and we get a third party created.Whats encouraging though is people are finally starting to see that congress is ignoring what the people want and that they dont serve the people like the constitution says they are suppose to.It was all over the front page of my newspaper yesterday how on freaking tax day when the government steals our money we make,their were hundreds of people photographed outside the federal reserve bank protesting the IRS with signs that said-end the fed.some had some great ones that read-"end the fed,kennedy tried and died." thats why their were millions of people all over the country on tax day protesting income tax because its illegal against the constitution their starting to learn.How much further proof do people around here need that the government does not serve the interests of the people and only the elite in the fact that they are ignoring and HAVE been ignoring the american people to get rid of the federal reserve?

Its nausiating for me seeing all these OBAMA BIDEN bumper stickers everywhere I go.All those idiots in chicago dont realise he is no different than Bush or Clinton like they want to believe.People are finally waking up-although it might be too late,that the government is not here to serve the people and that we have a two headed snake system that doesnt work.That neither party is for the people.Thats why I was glad to see Obama get elected because everybody thinks he is going to bring great changes when he has proven he has lied about everything he has said he was going to do.

If Mccain had been elected,the people would just go and say-well its the republicans,their still continuing to screw up america.Obama would have pulled us out of these wars. Well NOW they wont be able to say that,their now starting to see that Obama is no different than all those other corrupt presidents such as both Bush presidents,Reagan,Nixon,Clinton after making 21 of his 27 appointees former Clinton appointees,the same corrupt ones people voted out of office and of course keeping some Bush administration members on as well.their starting to see the light that NEITHER party -the reprocrats or the demopublicans are for the people and that congress is bought off and paid for and not here to represent the people either.

Actually it was a quarter of a million people and they were organizing a "tea bagging" (guess they didn't know that meant putting your nuts on someones face). They were protesting the raise in taxes obama proposed...despite the fact that it only affects something like 8% of the U.S. Which is basically none of the people that were protesting. What's funny is that when asked if they knew that most of them didn't and still kept bashing Obama. Of course I do agree that congress and the like are grossly misusing tax money.

Originally posted by jaden101
I don't think I really need to point out who that describes more than any other person in this forum.

Isn't the irony just too much?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Isn't the irony just too much?

Gotta love the fact that he quotes himself and replies to it more than he does to anyone elses posts too.

Except for when he's performing his regular bouts of internet fellatio on members he agrees with of course.

And yet still, the media says nothing about these things.

It's time for good people to stand up and do something.

What the World needs now more possibly than at any other time in history, is for good people to stand up and do something. As Edmund Berke once said, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Think about that statement for a second. In order for Evil to triumph, Good people have to do nothing. The two go hand in hand. What the World, and all of the nations around the World need most right now, is REAL hope and REAL change. Not manufactured cope and change. Not hope and change promised to us from corrupt politicians. But the kind of hope and change that comes from inside of each and every single good hearted good natured person in the World.

When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle. Edmund Burke

The bottom line is, and we all know it's true, is that we have given too much power over to our governments and our politicians. And unfortunately these governments and politicians have become intoxicated by that power. And if we want things to change, we have to dissolve some of that power.

Those who have been once intoxicated with power, and have derived any kind of emolument from it, even though but for one year, never can willingly abandon it. They may be distressed in the midst of all their power; but they will never look to any thing but power for their relief. Edmund Burke

All who have ever written on government are unanimous, that among a people generally corrupt, liberty cannot long exist.

The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts. Edmund Burke

People crushed by law, have no hopes but from power. If laws are their enemies, they will be enemies to laws; and those who have much to hope and nothing to lose, will always be dangerous. Edmund Burke

A man full of warm, speculative benevolence may wish his society otherwise constituted than he finds it, but a good patriot and a true politician always considers how he shall make the most of the existing materials of his country. A disposition to preserve and an ability to improve, taken together, would be my standard of a statesman. Everything else is vulgar in the conception, perilous in the execution. Edmund Burke

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
And yet still, the media says nothing about these things.

To be fair, only some people are interested in the details behind foreclosures.

I also don't think it's in the banks interests to flood the market and drive prices down. In fact it's counter intuitive and counter productive for them to do it. They're far better to trickle the houses back onto the market in order to get the maximum they can so they can pay back government loans.

Not to mention, although this is highly ironic, the banks can't sell the properties because hardly anyone can get a mortgage from the same banks who own the houses.

In the UK it probably wouldn't be a back thing to flood the market and drive down prices because they've been unsustainably and artificially high for 10 years. It might actually allow people to start buying again and kick start that section of the economy.

I'd say the US has it a lot better than the UK. Our population is 1/5 of the US but out unemployment is between 1/3 and 1/2.

Originally posted by jaden101
I'd say the US has it a lot better than the UK. Our population is 1/5 of the US but out unemployment is between 1/3 and 1/2.

WTF, didn't know the U.K. was doing that poorly.

230,000 at last count....Projected to do as high as 320,000 by next year.

on average, every job vacancy gets about 200 applicants. It's exceptionally tough.

Rep. Weiner: Do We Give Obama an Internet On-Off Switch?


C-Span
May 3, 2009


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rDEw3uSK54&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Frep-weiner-do-we-give-obama-an-internet-on-off-switch%2F&feature=player_embedded

Originally posted by jaden101
230,000 at last count....Projected to do as high as 320,000 by next year.

on average, every job vacancy gets about 200 applicants. It's exceptionally tough.

Ouch, crime been on the rise?

There's your solution, you hire all the 199's that didn't make the cut to review applications, pass it along to your superiors, no need to thank me.

Ponzi hiring schemes?

A) Obama's Christian.
B) I guess that him attacking America's freedoms will balance out how George Bush attacked everyone else's, won't it?




Um... proof?



Oh no! Gun control! What kind of monster would try to make it harder for you to shoot kids!?



I fail to see how this is relevant to anyone other than fascist Republican bigots and Neo-Nazis.



OMFG! Islam! He's gonna blow everyone up! It's a terrorist conspiracy! We're doooomed! Jesus...



You do realise tax money does go somewhere, right? It's not just to annoy you...



Very cool metaphor, but it's still tiresome, jingoistic fearmongering.



Because we all know America would be a much better place with heaps of dead immigrants in the streets. You/ guy who wrote this is/are almost as bad as the fascist ***** in England who blame the Poles for ****ing everything...



Since when were Judeo-Christian and left wing, "Socialist" view points mutually exclusive? I would love someone to explain to me when Jesus declared that the rich guys should keep all the money and promoted the use of firearms...



Awesome marketing ploy...


In short: I disagree. I assume this makes me a Communist. Apologies for the ridiculously late response, but this post really pissed me off.

Local community responds to the Obama Deception screening and street action

We Are Change Ohio
May 13, 2009

On May 9th 2009 We Are Change Ohio hosted a screening of the Obama Deception in Dayton Ohio at the Neon movie theater. Many fresh faces showed up to the event and there was several interviews of first time viewers of the film to get their take on it. All in all the event went well and they were able to educate many local citizens of the city.

http://www.infowars.com/local-community-responds-to-the-obama-deception-screening-and-street-action/

It's ironic that when we were spending we were being urged to save more...And now the economy is ****ed we're being told not to save but to spend.

Bizarre.

Originally posted by Kovacs86
A) Obama's Christian.
B) I guess that him attacking America's freedoms will balance out how George Bush attacked everyone else's, won't it?

A.Uh so what,in case you werent aware of this little fact,so was Hitler.Bush is as well.
B.Obama is not only continuing what Bush got started-theres no difference between the two parties,their both corrupt.He is EXPANDING it.





Oh no! Gun control! What kind of monster would try to make it harder for you to shoot kids!?

The same kind of monster who has pardoned Bush from all crimes he committed while in office. a kind of person who like Bush,also does not believe in the constituion of the united states which gives us the right to bear arms.geez are you really THIS ignorant about the constitution of the united states? some posters that have posted on here i would expect these kinds of posts from THEM since they dont live here in the states,but You? thats pretty bad.Lets just let Obama have his way and disarm america making it easy for burglers to break into our homes and kill us in the middle of the night with no way to defend ourselves.that really makes sense.



I fail to see how this is relevant to anyone other than fascist Republican bigots and Neo-Nazis.

Like I said,there is no difference between the two parties.why dont you watch the video here in his links he has given you?

Do you actually put any coherent thought into your posts or do you just mash your keyboard with a mallet and hope that something that makes sense comes out in the end?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Originally posted by Kovacs86
A) Obama's Christian.
B) I guess that him attacking America's freedoms will balance out how George Bush attacked everyone else's, won't it?

A.Uh so what,in case you werent aware of this little fact,so was Hitler.Bush is as well.
B.Obama is not only continuing what Bush got started-theres no difference between the two parties,their both corrupt.He is EXPANDING it.





Oh no! Gun control! What kind of monster would try to make it harder for you to shoot kids!?

The same kind of monster who has pardoned Bush from all crimes he committed while in office. a kind of person who like Bush,also does not believe in the constituion of the united states which gives us the right to bear arms.geez are you really THIS ignorant about the constitution of the united states? some posters that have posted on here i would expect these kinds of posts from THEM since they dont live here in the states,but You? thats pretty bad.Lets just let Obama have his way and disarm america making it easy for burglers to break into our homes and kill us in the middle of the night with no way to defend ourselves.that really makes sense.



I fail to see how this is relevant to anyone other than fascist Republican bigots and Neo-Nazis.

Like I said,there is no difference between the two parties.why dont you watch the video here in his links he has given you?

I hate to say it but I think I'm finally starting to see where your coming from. No guns is just one step closer to the New World Order. maybe these conpiracies are actually real...

And Jaden, why don't you start making some sense out of your posts instead of making fun of people that put some thought into what they're writing.

Originally posted by Spartan005
I hate to say it but I think I'm finally starting to see where your coming from. No guns is just one step closer to the New World Order. maybe these conpiracies are actually real...

And Jaden, why don't you start making some sense out of your posts instead of making fun of people that put some thought into what they're writing.

Because him and his buddie Kharma Dog are just trolls here to put people here down who dont swallow the lies and propaganda of the government as evidenced by their behaviour on this thread THATS why.

I've seen a couple of threads that Winter has made in the past that I myself thought was just absolutley crazy and did not agree with him either, but you never saw ME attacking him or calling him childish names like they always do here with people.

That being said,glad to see your finally coming around and seeing the light about our government.That much being said,see when i talk about government conspiracys,I only talk about ones that have cold hard facts to back them up and the evidence is overwhelming.

Thats why usually when i talk about them,it usually consists of 9/11, or the kennedy assassination where the evidence is overwhelming that it was an inside job.I dont do like Deano and talk about something like Lizard people where theres no hard evidence to back it up.Btw,since your being mature and nice about all this - I appreciate you defending me against jaden like that,since last time we spoke about it,at the time I didnt know near as much about 9/11 as I do now.since then I have learned so much more than I did now of overwhelming evidence that is out there that proves it was for sure an inside job.since your being nice and respectful to me -which again I appreciate that,would you like me to send you some stuff by pm to you about 9/11 that will blow you away that we can talk about? oh and you should watch that video THE OBAMA DECEPTION.

All those idiots in chicago acting like he is going to be the next best thing to kennedy and do good things for the people,are in for a rude awakening.He has alrealy proved he isnt any different than Bush or Clinton or any of the others by pardoning Bush from all crimes he committed in offfice saying crap like-its time to move on and forget stuff like that "which in essence is the same thing as saying-Let these autrocities keep happening."

Originally posted by Spartan005
I hate to say it but I think I'm finally starting to see where your coming from. No guns is just one step closer to the New World Order. maybe these conpiracies are actually real...

And Jaden, why don't you start making some sense out of your posts instead of making fun of people that put some thought into what they're writing.

Always a good idea to read the thread and engage your brain before engaging your typing hands.

Try that...then we'll talk.



1: You're a spineless coward who puts everyone who rapes your nonsensical drivel to shreds on ignore

2: You lack the intelligence or sense to put paid to anyone's arguments so for once in your life, stop embarressing yourself and stop typing.

Originally posted by Mr Parker


Thats why usually when i talk about them,it usually consists of 9/11, or the kennedy assassination where the evidence is overwhelming that it was an inside job.I dont do like Deano and talk about something like Lizard people where theres no hard evidence to back it up.Btw,since your being mature and nice about all this - I appreciate you defending me against jaden like that,since last time we spoke about it,at the time I didnt know near as much about 9/11 as I do now.since then I have learned so much more than I did now of overwhelming evidence that is out there that proves it was for sure an inside job.since your being nice and respectful to me -which again I appreciate that,would you like me to send you some stuff by pm to you about 9/11 that will blow you away that we can talk about? oh and you should watch that video THE OBAMA DECEPTION.



What's the matter? Do you not have the courage of your convictions enough to post this new "evidence" in the public forum? Or are you afrai that, once again, it'll fall massively short of truth and will be destroyed by the likes of me?

We all need to wake up and stop these animals from culling us and enslaving us. We need a Revolution, we need to wake up all our neighb ours and defend our freedoms.

Obama's economic model versus reality


Prior to Obama's Inauguration on January 20th, his economic team released a model projecting what the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan would do to the US economy and how many jobs it would create, etc. The report was written by Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein. The report in full is available here: http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf

I would like to turn attention to Figure 1 which is located on page 4. That figure shows the estimated unemployment rate WITH the economic recovery package versus the unemployment rate WITHOUT the economic recovery package.

Now, this was prior to the passing and final draft of the AEEP. However, they took estimates as to the size and scope of the plan and by and large, they were fairly accurate. The final bill is estimated at costing $787 billion dollars while it was estimated in this report to be around $775 billion. The bill was signed into law less than four weeks after taking office.

Now, back to Figure 1. As can be seen, they estimated that by this time (June 2009), the unemployment rate WITHOUT the stimulus package would have been about 8.2%. With the economic package, it would have been a whopping 7.9%. That's a full 1.5% lower than what the BLS estimates the unemployment rate to currently be.

Obama's economic models, much like his policies, are failing horribly when tested against reality. It's quite clear that Obama's models are horribly inaccurate and overly optimistic, given that it was expecting the economy to turn around almost immediately upon his arrival at the White House as well as the magnitude of that error in analysis and prediction.

They've only actually spent a relatively small fraction of the money so far.

Originally posted by edisonik
We all need to wake up and stop these animals from culling us and enslaving us. We need a Revolution, we need to wake up all our neighb ours and defend our freedoms.

exactly.the problem though and i have relatives who are like this,is that they only see what they WANT to see and are in too much denial.for instance some can accept it that the kennedy assassination was an inside job-but they dont realise how it still affects us today,but they cant accept it that 9/11 was cause that tragedy hits closer to home with them and they cant see how evil Bush really is being die hard loyal republicans that they are.when I tell them how evil and corrupt Clinton is,they listen and take in what I say,but ANYTHING about Bush just goes through one ear and out the other with them.they just dont get it how both parties are corrupt and theres no difference between the two.

Life On The Edge Of A Bubble:

http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/life-on-the-edge-of-a-bubble/18721622

What exactly would the Fed gain by destroying the economy out from under themselves?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What exactly would the Fed gain by destroying the economy out from under themselves?

What are you talking about? Who do you think would present the solution? Who do you think has plans for something even more sinister than the Federal Reserve system that we have in America today? Who do you think has the ultimate say so when it comes to our financial future at the moment? Who has all the control over the United States money supply at the moment? Who sets interest rates nationwide and controls inflation/deflation? Who rules the roost when it comes to money? It's the Federal Reserve Baking System. The Privately owned and operated one. The one owned and operated by banks and banksters.

These people....want more power. Their plan is to destroy their own system at the moment in order to present a brand new one that is far far far far far more complex and far reaching and powerful than the current one they have in place at the moment. They are the ones who will offer the solution to their own self-created problem when they destroy our economy. They and no one else. Not you, not congress, but only the banks and the banksters both national and international who currently run the Federal Reserve system of the United States of America. Of course they will be working in conjunction with the IMF, and they plan to create a system of global currency based upon their own rules and their own policies only. They will answer to no one, and will have complete control over the financial structure and system of the World. Which they want to compartmentalize for their own selfish interests.

Exclusive Conversation With Ron Paul: The Future Of The Federal Reserve


President Obama's financial regulatory plan has created controversy over the role of the Federal Reserve in our economy like rarely before. The person in Congress with perhaps the most unconventional point of view on these issues in American politics is Congressman and former presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX), a longtime critic of the very institution of the Fed and fractional reserve banking. He has recently sponsored a bill that would audit the Fed, which has attracted cosponsors such as Dennis Kucinich (D-OH).


Do you think the Fed is the main culprit behind the current economic crisis?

Ron Paul: I don't believe you can have financial bubbles without artificially expanding the supply of money and credit, and only the Fed can do that in collusion with the banks, who can operate under fractional reserve banking. So that's where the financial bubbles come from, whether it's housing or the stock market or the bond market. That's the source of the bubble, and that's what has to be addressed, and yet the Fed has been able to operate in secrecy on exactly how they allocate credit and what they do with international markets. So yes, the Fed is the number one culprit.

I guess the response from defenders of Greenspan would be that to jack up interest rates enough to defuse the housing bubble would have been really bad for growth and unemployment, and that was unacceptable at the time.

Ron Paul: Yes, and that's why he inflated it instead. It's like a drug addiction. Nobody wants the pain that comes with getting off the drug. But it's more than the pain of avoiding addiction that drives Bernanke. It's a deep-seated philosophy that inflation is the cure, and that it can prevent the correction. But the correction has been locked in place. In the year 2000 it was locked in place. The market was trying to tell us we needed a correction. But it was prolonged so the bubble was made even bigger. This bubble has been going on since 1971 when the dollar became fiat and we had international reserve currency without backing. Ultimately, no matter what the Fed does, you can't prop up a bad system, and that's why this one is different than any recession we've had since 1971.

So that's where your bill to audit the Fed comes in?

Ron Paul: In a way it's a mini-step, but it's also the reason I have a lot of co-sponsors because I haven't gotten into the controversy of fractional reserve banking and the issue of monetary policy per se. My main goal is to find out exactly what the Fed has been doing, especially in this crisis. Since the crisis has hit, there's been this whole idea of transparency about what the Treasury does with the TARP funds. So now the American people want to know what the Fed does. I believe that reform is inevitable, and that's the second step.

What do you mean by "what the Fed is doing"?

Ron Paul: What they're doing with foreign governments, international financial organizations, what they buy and sell, and what markets they interfere with... how decisions are made. We don't have absolute figures, but it's estimated that they might have a guarantee of 3 or 4 or 5 trillion dollars. It doesn't have to be on the books because it might just be guarantees. This is big stuff and the Congress should know about it.

What do you mean by reform of the Fed?

Ron Paul: This system has failed in a financial sense. I believe the dollar will fail too. We are going to have very high interest rates and price inflation rates. Finally, they will have to stop. That's why I want to see what the Fed is talking about and what they're saying to the central banks in other countries. They know that reform is coming--they're looking to the IMF, and Obama's on that side of the argument. That's exactly the opposite type of reform that free-market and strict-constitutionalist people don't want. We want reform toward honest money and sound money, rather than looking to internationalism propping up the flawed system just by changing it from a dollar-run system to an international system. Debate has to come on what types of reform are necessary.

Why audit the Fed if the goal is to end it?

Ron Paul: To expose them, and then people will be convinced of what the problems are. A lot of people don't know too much about the Fed. If we audited the Fed, I would learn a whole lot. I think we'd learn that there's a lot of special-interest financing going on. We saw with the TARP funds--which were more open--these go to certain corporations but not others, some had to go bankrupt, some people got huge bonuses. I think we would see a lot of that in the way the Fed runs their finances.

Tim Geithner has said in statements defending the Obama administration's plan that the Fed is the only player big enough to defend against systemic risk.

Ron Paul: I wouldn't be surprised to hear him say that, coming from someone who's been the ultimate insider. When he was at the New York Fed, he was a permanent member of the FOMC , so therefore he's going to protect that whole institution. In an interview not long ago, he was quite frank that the Fed kept interest rates down too long and too low. I think he was caught off-guard. But he was telling the truth.

People who don't always see eye-to-eye with you on the role of government in the economy have signed on to the bill, like Dennis Kucinich, what do you think is going on there?

Ron Paul: The person who introduced my bill in the Senate is Bernie Sanders, a so-called socialist. They're opposed to special-interest corporatism. They don't like corporatism anymore than I do. I don't like welfare for anybody, let alone corporations.

The Republicans in the Financial Services Committee have floated a plan that would also promote the Fed as a guard against systemic risk.

Ron Paul: I understand what they're doing, and it's not knock-down, drag-out battle. Actually, if I had my druthers, I wouldn't advocate closing the Fed tomorrow. It'd be much better to work out a transition. What I want is competition in money--to have two circulating currencies in the United States, just like you have dozens of currencies circulating around the world, instantaneously adjusting value, and you can do that domestically. In some ways it helps my bill because I can say, look: the American people want transparency, and if you're going to give more power, it's important that we act in our capacity for oversight. People who might be supporting more power for the Fed still are receptive to the idea that we should know what they are doing.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2009/06/24/exclusive-conversation-with-ron-paul-the-future-of-the-federal-reserve.html

The one thing you haven't factored in is the fact that government employees simply aren't the cream of the crop. Public sector jobs can't attract the best and brightest because they can't pay enough compared with private industries. The same goes for regulation. This was the problem in the UK...The regulators were simply too stupid and ignorant to know the complexities of the financial markets and those experts who ran it from the private sector. Hence they couldn't regulate it and those within the private sphere who wished to manipulate the markets for extreme short term personal gains were able to do so and it was THIS that caused the problems we are now seeing.

This is why I wouldn't be adverse to the idea of allowing regulators to also hold jobs in the private sector....Wholesale private regulation is a step too far in my book though. I don't think it would be unwise to take advice from people in the private sector but not give them direct control.

Originally posted by jaden101
I don't think it would be unwise to take advice from people in the private sector but not give them direct control.

Right. Advice is one thing and total control over the whole kaboodle is an entirely different thing all together.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Right. Advice is one thing and total control over the whole kaboodle is an entirely different thing all together.

Indeed....It's like swinging the pendulum to the complete opposite extreme. Everyone recognises that public sector regulators of a private sector industry didn't work. But throwing it all over to the private sector wont work either. It's like trusting pro athletes to do their own doping tests.

So if I follow: the entire government (except Ron Paul) is a conspiracy and the entire private sector (except Ron Paul) is a conspiracy.

Are we really expected to believe that's more plausible than any other explanation?

Why couldn't the conspiracy be that Ron Paul isn't a conspiracy, but really is the conspiracy?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So if I follow: the entire government (except Ron Paul) is a conspiracy and the entire private sector (except Ron Paul) is a conspiracy.

Are we really expected to believe that's more plausible than any other explanation? Not everyone is savy enough to catch on to what really is going on. Just watch c-span. Most of the time these guys get there news from the newspapers.

And some of us aren't stupid enough to fall for conspiracy theorists.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So if I follow: the entire government (except Ron Paul) is a conspiracy and the entire private sector (except Ron Paul) is a conspiracy.

Are we really expected to believe that's more plausible than any other explanation?

Who said Ron Paul isn't? Alex Jones? He's no better than national news!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And some of us aren't stupid enough to fall for conspiracy theorists. And some of us aren't stupid enough to trust a government that has lied to us countless times.

Originally posted by jgiant
And some of us aren't stupid enough to trust a government that has lied to us countless times.

False dichotomy. Just because you react to the government not being totally honest at all times by being a stupid little sheep that will believe anything that sounds counter-culture doesn't mean I'm limited to those two options.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
False dichotomy. Just because you react to the government not being totally honest at all times by being a stupid little sheep that will believe anything that sounds counter-culture doesn't mean I'm limited to those two options.
"Not being totally honest" Our government getting us involved in wars that kill and disfigure thousands of our men and women over lies. Gulf of Tonkin (Nam) and 9/11, or if your not into the whole 9/11 inside job conspiracy then I can go with Sadam harboring weapons of mass destruction (War on Terror). Seems like your sugar coating the truth to me. Just my opinion. Your entitled to yours and so am i, but the way this country is going soon we'll have to be walking around on eggshells in the land of free speech.

So "what is really going on"?

Originally posted by jgiant
"Not being totally honest" Our government getting us involved in wars that kill and disfigure thousands of our men and women over lies. Gulf of Tonkin (Nam) and 9/11, or if your not into the whole 9/11 inside job conspiracy then I can go with Sadam harboring weapons of mass destruction (War on Terror). Seems like your sugar coating the truth to me. Just my opinion. Your entitled to yours and so am i, but the way this country is going soon we'll have to be walking around on eggshells in the land of free speech.

Biggest problem with the US and UK is people who don't know the difference between "your" and "you're".

Originally posted by jgiant
And some of us aren't stupid enough to trust a government that has lied to us countless times.

exactly.could not have said it better myself.

Originally posted by jgiant
"Not being totally honest" Our government getting us involved in wars that kill and disfigure thousands of our men and women over lies. Gulf of Tonkin (Nam) and 9/11, or if your not into the whole 9/11 inside job conspiracy then I can go with Sadam harboring weapons of mass destruction (War on Terror). Seems like your sugar coating the truth to me. Just my opinion. Your entitled to yours and so am i, but the way this country is going soon we'll have to be walking around on eggshells in the land of free speech.

Not being totally honest? you mean like lying to the american people that the government murdered JFK,RFK AND MLK and blaming it on a lone nut? and like he said,getting us involved in wars that kill and disfigure thousands of our men and women over lies just so all these big corporations can profit from war? and like he said as well,lying to us that there were weapons of mass destruction? Bush and cheney does this and yet Obama pardons them for all crimes like all presidents always do.

So what are you two rebels doing to oppose the 'evil government'?