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HELLO ALL..DONT KNOW IF ITS BEEN COVERED..PROBABLY HAS..BUT THE HOMELESS GUY (REVOLUTIONS TRAILER) IS IN A SCENE IN ENTER THE MATRIX. HE SNEAKS UP ON NIOBE AND TELLS HER "LAST TIME ZION LASTED 72 HOURS" AND SHE ASKS WHO HE IS AND HE SAYS "JUST A SPECTATOR"......OH WELL,,IF YOUVE HEARD IT BEFORE,,PARDON

i kinda like caps-lock

i think he is what he says he is. Just a spectaor. I'm sure we will figure out what his real purpose is in Revolutions judging from the trailor.

anybody got just the movies from ETM, i've only played it once, and i cant remember it very well...

ETM?

Enter the Matrix

Yeah getting the movies without playing the game would be nice.


*** It saves alot of time. ***

Ya know what I think? I think he's the One from the LAST Matrix... and somehow reinserted himself into the next Matrix. Why else would he know that the last Zion lasted 72 hours?

other than that, he COULD be yet another rogue program...

Or he could be the creator of the Matrix.

look at his wrist he has like 5 watches on ....remember what the Merovingian said If we cant ever take time how can we ever have time?

Which would support him being the creator, seeing as he has time, in a literal sense.

in another thread people were saying that the bum worked for mero and can be seen in the trailer in hel
(his hand and hair) with a gun pointed at him by seraph
somebody theored that he is a timekeeper

yeah, thats what i'm thinking, a rogue program initially designed to control time, which is why he would know how long Zion lasted, and would explain the number of watches (think back to BACK TO THE FUTURE, where Doc was obsessed with time, and had so many clocks), but if the bum-looking guy is the time-keeper, then who is the guy that is led away from Mero right as Neo walks up to him...He's gotta be somebody important, and i thought that he would be the time-keeper, since right after he is lead away Mero is talking about taking time and having time...They're not the same person.

He's not the previous anomaly, because, even considering as many time as Morpheus is wrong, Morpheus would know if the One had not died. And i don't think he's the creator, i believe that Architect is creator, b/c i think the creator of the program would be aloof from the program, not exactly tied into it.

hi bjn welocme

No one has the movies from ETM? I haven't played the game but would love to see the movies

u can find them on the pc folder just without sound. unless anyone knows how to make this work? codec?

forget the EtM movies. anyone know where i can get reloaded I got two halfs of it, but they skip and unless i put it to the next part of the progression bar, they wont play. and one skips on the fight with neo and the three normal agents thats prolly my second favorite fight, next to the Grand room fight

How has the keymaker survived the Matrixes, if he is killed in each one?

Perhaps the "observer" is a kind of program that keeps tabs on other programs, like Windows explorer lets you observe the programs installed on your computer. ...?

Omega> I'm not sure if we WILL be able to agree, since we know so little of him, however, if it really is "observer" with gun pointed to Seraph, my guess is program, and that he works for the Mero. Also, i don't think Revolutions will be created just to pull our leg, i think that Neo will prevail, even if i don't always believe what Archie says. About the Keymaker, i was assuming that the way to the Source would be the same each time, meaning a Keymaker was needed each time, but it does not mean there was a Trin, a-because Archie says so and b-because each successive Matrix become more corrupted by human emotion the Trin is "the eventuality", the end, but not the successive event. This was an assumption on my part, but a necessary one, since we know nothing of the way the previous Matrix ran, ended, etc. If any of this makes sense, if not, i'll clarify.

I have Reloaded on DVD. Oh its possible., just not great quality

I agree. someones starting to see what my beliefs are

You don't think Morpheus would be conscious of only the One from HIS Matrix? Or maybe the last One has transcended enough to mask himself for protection.

Clarify Please

Omega> yeah, thank you for clarifying for me, i see i didn't do a very good job.

"We're all here to do, what we're all here to do."

Omega> I agree that it may not have happened the same way, but the potentials have nothing to do with it. The captains, in fact nobody, has any idea that this is not the first matrix, except the the "first" matrix was perfect but disastrous. Plus, only children are saved from the matrix. "I'm sorry, we have a rule, we dont free a mind once it has reached a certain age, it's dangerous, and the mind has trouble letting go. But i did what i did, because i had to." So, just because only children are supposed to be saved, doesn't mean that Neo is different from the other Anomalies; all the other anomalies may or may not have been children. I agree that the "observer", for lack of a better term, is a rogue program. Also, i dont believe that the Mero was a new addition, simply because of "I've survived your predecessors; i will survive you". If each Anomaly had to meet the Mero, then i think that there must've been some reason, giving me the idea that there was a keymaker each time. Also, i don't think the Agents are reused each Matrix; i have no proof from the movies, as of yet, except that Smith doesn't tell Morpheus when he is about to pick Morpheus' brain, except for the first one. It is possible that Smith does know about the others, and he knows that there wasn't a rogue program/virus that is self-replicating "it's happening exactly as before. Well, not exactly". However, i think that, unless, no, i will have to start a new post to go into this. I will leave it at this, and i am starting a new thread. I will call it "Purpose". visit it.

Alright, I'll clarify what I'm trying to say.

Morpheus is of the (6th or 7th, I don't remember) version of the Matrix. What you said, JediHDM, is that Morpheus would know if the previous One had not died. But would it not be plausible, even reasonable, that Morpheus would sense only the One from the same version of the Matrix as he?

My guess is that the homeless guy, the "Spectator," as he calls himself, is the One from the previous Matrix, who saved the last version of Zion (which explains why he knows how long Zion lasted). Then, I think he reinserted himself into the new Matrix, having transcended above the control of the machines enough as to not care which world he was in.

But by necessity, the previous anomaly would not know how long Zion lasted, or even that the previous Zion was destroyed, because his code is taken out and the "prime programming" is reinserted, which, i believe, includes his memory, although he knows he is the one. Also, Morpheus would know if the Previous one had not died, because, he says "When he died, the Oracle prophesied his return would bring the end of the Matrix" (or something...) I'm not saying Morpheus can 'sense' the one, at all. In fact, morpheus is only human which makes that ability impossible.(Yes, neo is human, but he is more, almost the fusion of humanity and the minds of humanity). If he were the previous one, and still knew who and what and everything else, it would make sense that he would tell the rebels the truth, wouldn't it. What idiot wouldn't tell his fellow humans that the prophesy (which speaks of himself) is incorrect?
Really...

I said that the previous One TRANSCENDED ABOVE control by the machines, thus eliminating the idea that anything he does, or is, can be influenced by them. He would know how long Zion lasted simply because he was there.

As for the "death" in the Oracle's prophecy, it is not neccessarily a "physical" death. His transcendance would mean giving up the responsiblities of the One, effectively "killing" the previous anomaly, and leaving the spot open for Neo to fill. This sort of wordplay could be expected from Oracle, at times.

Then his self-reinsertion also makes complete sense. One the one hand, you've got the "real world," where you live underground on a scorched planet, constantly harrassed by squiddies.

On the other hand, you've got the Matrix, a world where you can control what happens around you, and do not have to fear the programs, because of the fact that you are better than them.

In his place, which would you choose?

Um, maybe, i dunno, ZION!!!!
What is it with people saying they would rather choose to live in the Matrix than without. By necessity, the previous Ones would have chosen the Source. Anything else and Zion, and the One are dead. By choosing the source, the previous anomaly would not remember what had happened, because the memory would have been removed. If he had visited the source, but somehow saved his memory, the mcahines would've killed him, because he was TOO MUCH of a threat. Also, the Oracle would not have had to tell the Zionites he had died, because he would've lived there with them. Morpheus would've been told he died by the council, or someone in ZIon, because the previous anomaly was central to their way of life. If he had simply decided to reinsert himself, the council would've known that, and, ultimately, Morpheus and the Neb would not have been cleared for takeoff, because if the One was unstable like that once, what is to say he isn't unstable still; it is still the same person, right? (No, i am not saying that Neo and the Previous version are exactly the same, nor am i stating reincarnation; but to a Zionite, who is told that he will return, hmmm, sounds like it will be the same guy again) The 'Observer' is not a previous One, he is either a time-keeper program gone rogue, or he has some other purpose; fact is, we think he works for Mero. The 'Observer' is not a previous One.

hey is this him again ..havent played that bit on etm for a while..
looks like a subway

sorry this is the pic (from the trailer)

he looks like Trinity with long hair

Korri, that was just wrong, even if you dont like Trinity.
Apologize.

Im not saying that each was an EXACT replica of the previous, for that is impossible. If i did say it was an EXACT copy, well, i was wrong, so sue me. I agree that Smiths first lines can be interpreted in many different ways, and in fact, i think there are many different interpreteations just here in this forum. Im not exactly sure what the point of this thread was, anymore. Somebody help. oh, yes, the homeless guy. the "Observer", or whatever. I dunno, it seems to me that he has something to do with time, but thats what i thought about the guy at Le Vrai.

cain and abel "work for my husband, they do his dirty work. very good, very loyal" "they come from a much older version of the matrix. but like so many back then, they caused more problems than they solved. my husband saved them because theyre notoriously difficult to terminate"

yeah, i forgot about the fact that the pictures when he was talking about "grotesqueries" had Hitler on them...So, perhaps, yes, certain aspects of the Matrix maybe immune, or the Archie allows the rogue programs to survive (*cough* purpose *cough*).

I think it is their purpose to stay away from the Source, as they still have something to do, although they need to be free of their original programming in order to complete their purpose. And, although the Oracle tries to help the humans, i think she herself is still controlled, and therefore not everything she says is exactly the truth. I think she may tell as much as she knows, but, like i have said in other places, she is still part of the system of control, therefore does not have as much control as she thinks or may want.

i be sorry

thank you...

that is ok