Women in the Military.....

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Rogue Jedi
should women be allowed in the military?

if your answer is no, why not?
if your answer is yes, and they are the most qualified canditate out of the women AND the men, should they be placed in authoritave
positions, such as platoon leaders or as a commanding officer?

ragesRemorse
woman should be allowed in the military without a doubt, and if the military training does its job then woman should be allowed to do anything a man is allowed to do

BackFire349
yeah they should be allowd in the military, and if they are better then everyone, including the male soldiers (and this is a big if) then yeah they should be platoon leaders.

Rogue Jedi
well..looks like somebody changed their opinion. thats 2 to zero for the women. 3 to zero if you count my decision.

BackFire349
i didnt change my mind, i said if, meaning possibly, although i dont think its going to ever happen that way, i think most women become military leaders so the army doesnt look sexist.

Rogue Jedi
but you are insinuating that there no women out there capable of it...trust me, i am sure that there a lot more than you think.

BackFire349
maybe at a crappy base camp.

Rogue Jedi
see? you are a chauvinist.

BackFire349
i just dont find it very likely that a woman will be better then men at physical tests of strength. same reason i dont think they should be firefighters, they probably arent as physically strong as men.

finti
women have nothing to do in the military, I talk out of experiensed and they doent have what it takes to lead armed forces. At least not the ones I have encountered. But being in the military is different from country to country. In Norway it is mandatory for the men, women do it on a voulentarily basis and I think those who wants to do it underestimate the thoughness of being in the military

Rogue Jedi
well, there are several out there doing it...just because you dont know of any, it doesnt mean it aint true.

finti
ok let me ask this. How many have served time in the military forces of their country.

finti
I met a lot of different military nationalities on drills in winter warfare and it seems like they heave women in their ranks because they have to, not because they want to.

In Norway women who take officers education have "easier" demands for the requirements they have to meet to make it through the officers training. What I say is that an OC should have the total respect and obedience of their soldiers. The soldiers should feel their CO is the one that would do everything to bring them safe through this.
By having separate demands for the sexes they create a lack of confidence toward the female officers and if you dont have confidence in your officers then deserting soldiers is what you get

Take Israel, women who aint married before a certain age have to serve time in the military, dont see to many of them making officers though.
Gaddaffi on the other hands use females as bodyguards only, and those "babies" are after the reports highly trained so.............

What I think one of the problems with women in the military is that they seem to get to a certain point and then their biological clock start ticking and a lot of them dont go back to the military afterwards they find new lines of work

Fire
well I dunno, never been in the militairy never will, don't really believe in it (a national army for belgium I mean/I do believe in a EU fighting force), but that's just me. I think women should be allowed in the militairy but they need to take the same test as the men and score equally high, no bloody easier tests or anything.
IF they want to do the SAME job as a man they should MEET the SAME requirement

Ushgarak
It is still the opinion of virtually all experts in the area that having women serving as combatants in the field reduces the operational effectiveness- of the MEN.

Both sexes do not work together in battle. You have to junk one or the other. And as an all-female army would obviously be less practical than an all-male one, it is the women that have to go. I think the opinion of the experts has to be respected here. It is no comment on those women who actually are physically capable of doing the jobs that men do (and certainly when not in the field women should be up there with men in all armed forces jobs, providing they meet the same requirements), simply an acknowledgement of the practicality that the armed forces have to work under.

Blame men for being idiots, if you want, but it is still the way it is!

Fire
maybe ush maybe

ChinaNiki
That's not the only part of the problem. In general people don't like to see women in combat because there is still this idea that they couldn't handle it. But then from the time you are a little girl society is telling you that you can't handle it because you are a girl so you are not as good as a man no matter how hard you try. As a girl you are not supposed to get too strong or you will be considered unfeminine, but to be considered feminine you have to be weak in some way or at least appear to be weak so men can feel strong. I'm so tired of this BS. I'm tired of women being held to a different standard so we don't upset delicate male egos around the world.

DemonicGambit
I say if they want to be in the military, then they should be in the military. Some people actually live for that stuff, so why shouldn't they be able to do what they love?

FallingBlue
if they can do the job it doesnt matter if they're female or not

must_kill_Santa
well i want to be in the army on the front line and no-ones gonna stop me if Men stopped looking at the womens ass's and payed attention the wouldnt ba a problem you guys have to understand we can look after ourselves and if we get shot thats our own fault

PiratePrincess
I think women should be allowed in the military, why not?? If they can do the job as well as the men then they should go ahead. And yes, i also think that they should be placed in authorative possitions if they are best for the job.

must_kill_Santa
totally

Ushgarak
All I can do is point you to what I said again. There can be no question of allowing women in the front line whilst doing so would reduce operational effectiveness- the primary criteria for all things done in the army; how fair that is is not relevant.

Ushgarak
In fact that is a very large part of the problem I described. That having women in the field reduces the effectiveness of the men isn't really much down to the fact that they are trying to see the pretty girls- but because they feel an obligation to protect the women.

Ands yes, this is born out of an erroneous thinking that the women need the men's protection in the army. Yes it is dumb, but all thearmy can do is acknowledge it is so, it cannot magic it away- it is not the army's job to promote social reform, after all; if society ever does re-form to the point where men did not feel that way about women then the question could be re-examined.

And it is not ALL men, of course. In fact a very great deal of men, especially younger men, these days pretty much see women as exact equals and a lot of women never see any inequality in their loives at all. But- and no insult intended to the common soldier- the sort of guy that typically gets recruited for the army is probably more likely to be the sort who still has an outdated attitude to women, if you see what I mean.

must_kill_Santa
yeah but the women wouldnt be there if they couldnt protect themselves

princess
yep holla

must_kill_Santa
women unite

finti
How many have served in the military????????

princess
woman shall always unite must kill santa because we da bomb holla if you here me woman ROCK rock rock

must_kill_Santa
Yeah

princess
holla

must_kill_Santa
women rock

princess
forever man cher is the queen of woman i think

must_kill_Santa
probably

Desire
Ok, here's my thoughts on all this, just my opinion tho. I don't think females should be on the frontline, in war. I'm not sayin male lives are less important, but 1 man can have 20 kids born at the same time, yet 1 woman can only have the 1 child. If women were off possibly being killed it wouldn't be good for the population. Plus men i'm told feel naturally protective of women, and would do anything to help, I don't think guys should be trained to not be this way. Also, why send girls to war when there's perfectly healthy men sat at home doin nuthin, if in a non war situation a guy sat back & let a girl fight for him he'd be expected to be the one to handle it. If women want to fight, then they should have to do everything the guys do to exactly the same standard. Yeah in normal everyday life an employer, like mine, can't not employ us coz guys can do more, but war is life & death. This is just my opinion tho, I know some women don't want kids & would love to be in war, but also, I think they're in the minority. Personally i'd do all I could to support our forces except go to war. I'm twice the size of most guys, but probably not even 1/2 their strength. I like a guy that will protect me & would prefer to be keeping the work at home, as in the countries businesses going & with the kids than in a warzone

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