Arwen is related to Galadriel?

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Arwenishott
I wanted to know if Arwen is related to Galadriel or Celeborn, or Haldir, because if you have the edition of Rotk with the appendicies in teh back, in the part where its talking about Arwen and Aragorn, it says that Arwen stayed in Lotlorien with her mothers kin. So I was wondering if anybody knew if she was related to one of the main people that represent Lothlorien.

ilvorlandobloom
Galadriel is Arwen's mom

El Toro De Brah
I think ur worng IluvOB

Galadriel is Arwen's grandmother

ilvorlandobloom
are u sure? i read in some LOTR movie book thing that she was her mom.

BLAH BLAH BLAH
um i heard somehwere that legolas was realted to arwen or someone is it tru cuz im gettin all confused stick out tongue

Hypernova
Grandmother happy

ilvorlandobloom
ok, i was wrongembarrasment , Galadriel's her Grandma.

Hypernova
Arwen is the daughter of Elrond (kin of Luthien and Beren) and Celebrian (daughter of Celeborn and Galadriel).

ilvorlandobloom
yeah, i feel stupid now

Hypernova
embarrasment

Sorry it took me a while to locate the site which had this info... Didn't mean to make you feel stupid no expression

glorfindel
why not just read the books it,s all in their
smokin' mad

Exa
So, Arwen is actually also related to Aragorn who is the greatgreatgreatgreat....greatgrandson of Elros, brother to Arwen's father Elrond.
Everybody's related in the Middle-earth... even Celeborn and Galadriel (who is the daughter of the niece of Elmo, grandfather to Celeborn...)

Arwenishott
ok thank you for clearing that up for me.

ItsAllMerryToMe
yes arwen is the grandaughter of galadriel which is elronds mother in law...thats the short way of saying it...lol

Hypernova
Wow, I guess if you've been in ME as long as they have, you will also be related to Arwen too whistle

Arwenishott
i wish she was my woman love love love love love love love love love love

billyboyd4ever
hahah okie dokie then...

Danistar
Arwen's mother is Celebrian wink

fini
and as said before , celebrain was the daughter of Galadriel and Celeborn

lol and yeah aragorn and arwen are related ........arwen's uncle Elros( elrond's brother) was the first of numeror ( i think) which is a direct ancestor of aragorn

Exa
Unfortunately, not all lords of Andúnie are known sad
Otherwise we would be able follow Aragorn's ancestors back to Beor, Marach and Haleth (Earendil was child to all three Houses of the Edain) as well as to Finwe, Elwe, Olwe, Ingwe and even an Ainu, Melian.

Tired Hiker
I'm not sure if anyone already said it, but from what I could tell in the books, Arwen is the daughter of Elrond who is the son of Galadriel. I think.

Exa
No, Elrond is not Galadriel's son.
He is the son of Earendil and Elwing, bearers of the Silmaril; he's the great-grandson of the King of Gondolin (*love Gondolin*) and great-great-grandson of Elwe High King of the Sindar and Melian the Maia.
Galadriel is the daughter of Finarfin and Earwen, daughter of Elwe's brother Olwe.
Galadriel's only children are Arwen's mother Celebrían and (according to one story) Amroth (who is in an other story son of Amdír Lord of Lórien).

Hypernova
Thank you, Exa. You are so knowledgeable with the book. Good to have you here smile

Tired Hiker
Wow. I remain a mere mortal.

billyboyd4ever
read the silmarillion and you wont be smile

Phoenix
yup, thats right, but I can't remember if Elrond is Galadriel's son or if Arwen's mother is her daughter

billyboyd4ever
the 2nd

Arwenishott
well then, is arwen related to celeborn or haldir, the other two mian characters from lothlorien?

Hypernova
laughing out loud This thread is funny!

Exa
Celeborn yes of course he's her grandfather...
Haldir no. He's just got two brothers, Rúmil and ?Orophin (forgot his name... shame on me...)

Arwenishott
hypernova, why is this forum funny? and by the way, i did not know that celeborn is married to galadriel. is that true?

Exa
Of course!!
The met in Doriath in the First Age and when Beleriand drowned they moved to Lórien;
So they are, in contrary to the other elves, High-Elves that saw the light of Aman (at least Galadriel is, the daughter of Finarfin whose banner her elves carry in the film)

Arwenishott
i have another question about lothlorien...........well two actually..........do the elves sleep outside in tents?........it seemed that way in the movie.........and also, wut is haldirs role? i think he might be the general of the lothlorien troops, but im not sure wut is true or not.

fini
no they do not sleep in tents...... if u saw the extended version then u saw the temporary camp the elves had in the trees.........i think that the elves of lothlorien live in trees

The remainder of the fellowship slept in tents cause they are not as comfortable in the trees.
as for haldir , i think he was a guard of lorien........more knowlegable folks can correct me and add more info

johnnys#1 fan
she is arwens grandmother!

Arwenishott
well i do have the extended version of the fellowship, and i meant do they sleep outside because i thought those things looked like tents.

Hypernova
Because people seem to keep answering the question again and again and still some people get it wrong despite all the correct answers already give. I was wondering if people were actually reading the post before theirs.

Exa
The things on the trees are called Fletts wink

Yes Haldir was a guard of Lórien; as he (in contrary to his brothers) spoke Westron, he talked to the fellowship.
Lórien didn't have an army or something like that at the end of the Third Age.
They just had guards (who also killed the orcs of Moria) to keep the peace in Lórien.

Orli'sElf7
hahah yes galadriel and celeborn are arwens grandparents...then whos son is elrond from? that pair or did that pair give birth to arwens mother? i think it was her mother...hmm

Exa
Yes it was her mother, Celebrían...
Elrond is son of Earendil (=the planet venus) and Elwing

Orli'sElf7
it that where galadriel got " the light or earendil, our most beloved star??'

Orli'sElf7
hmm mebbe it was a gift from him/her

Exa
Its him wink

That "light of earendil" is the light of the silmaril earendil is carrying (well thats why hes the elves' most beloved star...) she caught it somehow i think
the silmarilli are far older than the sun and the moon but of the same light but yet brighter as they were not dimmed by melcors treachery

Arwenishott
exa, you are very knowledgeable about lord of the rings. i'm glad to have you in this thread.

Hypernova
laughing out loud

Exa
smile hannonle

Hypernova
Exa - how long have you been a fan? You know elvish?

I only know Namarie smile And havodad, Legolas. (No idea about the spelling though)

Exa
Ehm *embarrassed*
Only one and a half year *hides*

Mine was spelt wrong, though - its "hannon le" but I think it should rather be "le hannon" or "gen hannon"

It's "havo dad" wink

One can't know elvish cuz there are simply too few words known... some thousand, I think.
I tried to learn a bit some time ago, but I already forgot most of it.

bit offtopic, though...

fini
lol

Hypernova
Cool! You are very knowledgeable rock

Exa
Well I'm interested stick out tongue

think this topic could be locked, as Arwen IS related to Galadriel...

Hypernova
laughing out loud

aniron
INSEST lol

Joseph_Kerr
There is about 40 generations between Elros and Aragorn II.. so Arwen and Aragorn are very far apart in terms of their family trees.

So no incest involved at all.

Mormegil
Try 80, Joseph_kerr. It'd be closer. There are 40 generations between Aragorn and Elendil (Isildur's father). And since there's about 3000 years between Elendil and Elros, it would be closer to 80.

Okay, so here it is: Earendil is an Elf flying around in a boat up in the sky. He's got a Silmaril bound on his forehead, and Galadriel derived the Phial from it the same way Feanor derived the Silmarils from the Trees (however he did that). Earendil's children were Elrond and Elros, known as the Peredhil "Half-Elven" because of the blood of Men that flowed in their veins. Elrond married Celebrian, daughter of Celeborn and Galadriel, and had three children: Elladan, Elrohir, and Arwen. At some point, Celebrian was struck by a poison dart while in the wild, and though she was not killed by it, she had to sail to Valinor. Elros was the first of the Kings of Numenor, and Aragorn is a direct decsendant of Elros, though very distant. Galadriel was the daughter of Finarfin, and was one of the Noldor that came through the northen wastes to Middle-Earth during the rebelion of Feanor, and she met Celeborn in Doriath. They eventually (after the ruin of Beleriand) founded Lothlorien and married. Aragorn, though a direct descendant of Elros, only lived to be around 230 years old. He was about 80 or 90 years old during the War of the Ring, at the time the movie takes place. Legolas was the son of Thranduil, King of the Woodland Realm, and had no relation to Galadriel, Arwen, or any of those people. By the way, the name is spelled Melkor, not melcor. The Evlish languages (there are more than one) are extremely advanced, even if they do not reach the same level as real-world languages. I myself and learning Quenya and Sindarin at the moment. For information on the Elvish (and other) languages, see the Ardalambion site. Lothlorien does indeed have an Army, and did indeed have several battles between them and Dol Guldur during the War of the Ring. Rivendell also had an Army, as did Thranduil's Realm. Haldir was a gaurd in Lothlorien with no more importance than anyone else. The movie made him more important than he was in the books. The Lords of Andunie, through whom descend Elendil and Isildur, are indeed unknown. I myself attampted to learn their names just the other day, but to no avail.

I believe I have covered most, if not all, of the questions mentioned here in this thread. I will check in later in case any more questions arise.

Exa
Nice text smile thanks.

... I don't think Galadriel and Celeborn founded Lothlórien cuz until the End of the Second Age, the King of Lórien was Amdir father (?) of Amroth.


Melkor is usually spelt Melkor but as the name is some old form of Quenya (from *mailico) which changed a lot it doesnt matter if you write Melkor or Melcor - Tolkien also sometimes writes Melcor, and in the newer Quenya texts he always uses "c" instead of "k" and I think Melcor looks more beautiful... so I write Melcor smile als well as Tulcas instead of Tulkas and so on.
As long as it represents the same sound, it doesnt matter.

Mormegil
Oh. That's a good reason, so nevermind. smile

Hypernova
Cool ME history lesson, Mormegil and Exa thumb up laughing out loud

Arwenishott
also im pronunciation in elvish, "c" is pronounced with a "k" sound, as in melcor, and celeborn.

Exa
... like in Welsh where it's also always , also in front of e, i and y (unlike English and most other languages)


lol big grin

(think that was a bit offtop, sorry...)

Arwenishott
english is kick ass...........so is arabic............i currently live in baghdad.

Exa
Baghdad wow cool... y arabic?

I think English is quite okeh but I h8 german

BingaBonga
Wow that is really strange, now that i think about it Elrond is Aragorns father and his great great great great great....etc....great uncle, haha, that's really weird....

Joseph_Kerr
"Elrond is Aragorns father" ??? Maybe future father-in-law but not his father. Elrond's brother Elros is Aragorn's line.

BingaBonga
lol, i would love to learn elvish, but i've been taking espanol for like 5 years and i swear i don't know it at all! I really wish that I could learn foreign languages a lot easier, because i stink! mad lol

BingaBonga
yeah yeah, that's what i meant, sorry like i have a brother in law, i just call him my brother

BingaBonga
in the book he does marry arwen and so yeah he IS his father in law..

mirkwood#2queen
galadriel is arwen's grandmother cool Happy Dance reading

Arwenishott
sike i dont live in baghdad.....and english cuz im an american badass

Kitoky
Um...some of you guys are quite off, Galadriel is actually Arwen's GREAT Grandmother due to the Silmarillion. It said something about how the elven blood runs.

silver_tears
wow I read in a interview with Liv Tyler and she says that Galadriel is her mother blink weird

Exa
Really?!? Oh my god... where did you read that?

silver_tears
In this movie mag here in Canada called famous.

BingaBonga
Hmmm... I'd think that if she spent 15 months on the set of lotr she'd know what her characters relatives are... blink

mim cloudwater
ok i feal weird coming into theis conversation so late, but anyways,
just to tell you dont feal bad if i SCREAM or YELL at you because i hold LOTR close to my heart...very close...people call me obsessed. i wish i had a scanner so i could scan down the lineage pages from the silm. just another thing in the books aragorn is in his late 60's to early 70's accoring to the official time line, they changed it in the movies.

shoot i cant find my silm. i knew i should have gotten another copy, i always cant find my books, so i bought several copies of each

oh yes hypernova, why did you have to take my name? i always use that name, oh well first come first served. it is a cool name though, btw do you know what a hypernova is?

mim cloudwater
the movie is a little bit different from the books, and books have complete power over movies, and that goes for all series of any sort

BingaBonga
Actually, Aragorn has elven descent in him, through the Numernor kings and from Elros, brother of Elrond. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's the 39th king of that line. He still has the blood in him, so he ages slower than other mortals. He has some elven powers in him, including healing people. So really, there was no problem. smile

mim cloudwater
i never said he didnt have elven in him, hes a duneidane they live much longer then humans. and like somone else said he lives around 230 years, but by the offiacial timeline hes around 67 at the begining of the story and about 68 at the end of the trilogy

rianna_d
Nope, they got it right in the movies, Aragorn was 87 years old during the WAR OF THE RING, big grin which took place in the year 3018 if I'm not mistaken...he was born in the year 2931 of the 3rd age... so, that makes him 87. In the Extended Edition he tells Eowyn he's 87, he lived 210 years.

Elenelda
Ok, ai read somewhere that Galadriel is Elrond's great aunt and mother-in-law. I guess that makes her Arwen's great-great-aunt, I think. :/

Ariadne
They changed a lot of relations and stuff in the movies. After all, they say that Bilbo is Frodo's uncle. And wouldn't Galadriel just be Arwen's grandmother on her mother's side?

Aurora
Gosh-darn-it, I don't have my book with me right now. I will work with memory (which is skecthy at times). It is true that in the movie they call Bilbo, Frodo's uncle (the most memorable is at the end on the way to the Grey Havens). We all know this is immpossible since Bilbo was an only child. My point is that in the FOTR I think chapter 1 they say that although Bilbo is Frodo's cousin, he often referrs to him as his uncle. So in that they WERE keeping with the book.

I want to than EXA and Mormegil for spelling everything out like that. It is so much easier to digest that way! LOL I am still working my way through the books beyond the LOTR. They are facinating but at times confusing.

Ariadne
Frodo was Bilbo's first cousin once removed on his mother's side and his second cousin once removed on his father's side. Lot's of complicated relations. Family trees are fun though!

Member.
Yup.

Kitoky
Aragorn was not 87 during the War!! He was 88!!! 88!!!!!!!!!!!!

arwen22
I think Galadriel is Arwen's Grandmother...

rianna_d
Galadriel IS Arwen's grandmother an Aragorn was 87 during the War of the Ring
stick out tongue

Kitoky
HE WAS 88 DAMMIT!!!!!!!! 88!!!!!!!!!!!!! PJ GOT THAT WRONG, HE WAS 88!!!!!!!!!!

Exa
Cant be because there are nearly two decades between that - Bilbo's party, the beginning (and Eowyn is only 5 years old at that time), is in 3001 TA and the ending, the fall of Sauron, is in March 3019 TA


Not 39th KING but 39th descendant of Elendil or Isildur (I dun remember exactly embarrasment ) but those were also the 2xth (24th? 25th?) heirs of Elros whose parents brought the elvish blood - so quite a distance between.

He was born on March 1st, I think, so depends on when you think the war can be counted as war...
The scene with Eowyn should surely be AFTER March 1st

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