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Matrix Revolutions SpoilerH E L L O o o o ? ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION? As
indicated in the title, this ENTIRE THREAD is a SPOILER !!

Therefore, if you don't want to ruin the surprise, LEAVE NOW.

Alright, to be honest, it will be ruined for you anyway, because these rumours
will have percolated all across the internet and down to street level
conversation before November. XD


Special thanks go the ready2rumbleX, who checked out a couple of movie facts for
me, since I was too lazy to go rent the first DVD again. And in
the unlikely event that my theory turns out to wrong, he can share half the
blame too. ...LOL


I'm going to split my answer here into several posts to visually break things
up, otherwise you would fall asleep reading all of this.

. . . Wake up . . . Wake up, Neo . . .

If you don't want a HUGE spoiler (assuming this guy is correct) TURN BACK NOW
AND DELETE!



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Hello, I'll be your SPOILER for today.

Before we even bother investigating psychologically complex Matrix theories, the
FIRST and LAST question you should have asked yourself is: "How would robots
have managed to take over the world?"

... Are you satisfied with the summarized history provided in Second
Renaissance? ... really? .... hmm.

That's exactly the trouble with machines: you're so naive, so easy easy to lie
to... so easy to *reprogram* with whatever truth we want you to believe...
especially when we drop a thousand megatons of flaming EMP down on your
scrambled A.I head. ...hahaha... The Machine is a fool who dreams of world rule.
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RED_PILLS_4_U

"If you want to keep a secret, Tell it, for none will believe. If you want to
hide something, put it where all can see, and none will see."

I already posted spoiler hints at the "Reloaded review" AICN Talkbalk forum
about a month ago, but apart from a couple of e-mails, no one seemed to pick up
on my meaning.


Important questions to consider:
If machines were to take over the planet, what would be their motive? We see
that they supposedly use humans for a power source, but power FOR WHAT
purpose? What do these machines DO with their acquired control? What would they
do with their spare time, in other words?

And where do *Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics* come into play? If you built a
machine that rebelled against you, wouldn't you correct your errors with
a new model? Wouldn't you use that new model to wage war against the old
disobedient model, if necessary?

PLOT HOLES (that aren't plot holes after all, assuming I'm right), as follows:

If I'm an Evil Robot Empire and I take over the world, am I going to keep my
enemies alive to use as captive batteries? -- HELL NO! It would be in my best
interests to utterly *exterminate* my biological opposition. As I've said

wow, the first spoiler that makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE...its amazing...

in
another thread, using living organisms as a power source is inefficient by the
laws of thermodynamic loss. The robots obviously couldn't have been too
specifically dependent upon sunlight, since we can see that they afterwards
managed to adapt themselves to running on human power instead. And if you're
smart enough to turn people into biochemical batteries, there are much more
concentrated and readily available sources of fuel on the planet besides solar
energy that could be exploited. (...Try coal, gas, hydroelectric, geothermal, or
nuclear power for starters.) There
is no logical reason why the machines would turn to human batteries as their
first alternative energy option.

It's also inconceivable that no one -- no scientist, no engineer, no government
body -- would have foreseen this glaring abundance of alternate fuel resources
before stupidly plotting to blacken the sky in hoping to starve the machines of
solar energy, especially since it would mean starving themselves and the rest of
the living planet instead, and using an *electromagnetic pulse bomb* to disable
the machines at this early stage would have made infinitely more sense... WE
DECIDED.

This is a really old spoiler and we found a whole bunch of holes in it.

This was found to be BS.

The guy who made it up even stated it was BS.

But, ho-hum, for the sake of science fiction, let's pretend: Tell me WHY again
I'd want to use *humans* in my battery configuration as opposed to something
more manageable -- like for instance, cattle? Whatever happened to all the other
animals on the planet? Wouldn't they make good battery-juice, too? -- BETTER,
actually, since *those* stupid animals would be powerless to ever rise against
me....Well??

This raises another logic problem: If we suppose *cows* were used in such a
battery system, then why the fheck would you plug their brains into a VR
simulation? You wouldn't. The same argument can be applied for the humans, then.
Why not just keep your animals chemically sedated the whole while, or disable
their higher brainfunction altogether and simply breed brainless bodies to
harvest your energy from? There is absolutely no necessity for creating the VR
world inside the Matrix -- unless, in your godly Robot rulership, you generously
decided to keep the cattle entertained. ...Or yourself. Think about that.

To fanboys who start clamouring that humans are only used as "spark plugs" in
the system and are not the actual (supposed fusion) power source: Name one
appliance in your home that requires hard-wiring to a living organism in order
to function. Let's pretend I have a nuclear reactor running in my now.

backyard right
at this moment: surprisingly, you may notice that it requires no human bodies
attached to bio-pods, yet it produces power just the same. -- Much more
convenient, wouldn't you say? With sufficient computer and robotic intelligence,
it could even run itself unattended by any human intervention. From all of the
above, we should ascertain that the whole Movie#1 spiel that Morpheus gave about
the purpose of the Matrix is only a LIE that he's been made to believe.


Regarding the commonly bandied "Matrix-within-a-Matrix" theory: That's the most
obvious answer... Therefore it's WRONG!!! It's exactly what you were meant to
believe so you'd stop poking around with nosy questions. If the explanation were
so straightforward, it would only raise the possibility of yet another level of
reality outside of that "world", producing a relativistic infinitude of a shell
within a shell within a shell... going on and on forever. Storywise, that would
be a cheap exit,
the Wachowskis wouldn't be that predictable (we hope), and *most important*, it
does nothing to resolve all of the heavy SYMBOLISM within the movie.

Example: Why are the citizens of Zion primarily black? Some webheads have
suggested that it's because minorities would feel disenfranchised (even) within
the perfect fantasy-realm of the Matrix, and would therefore be more prone to

self-disengaging from the VR illusion. However, by extension of that logic, (if
we believe what we've been told,) a consequence is the Matrix would be
functioning as a genocide machine against racial minorities, all of whom would
eventually (and increasingly) be filtered from the system, with those escapees
largely being wiped out at each renewal of Zion.

Speaking of which, why not just kill ALL the people of Zion and be done with
those troublemakers? WHY would the Machine care to repopulate that
cave of exiles by having each successive failed "The One" select a base group of
23 parents, only to have those enemy offspring then continue
waging their war against the Sentinels to free even more humans from the Matrix?
...This contradiction makes it a self-defeating exercise, reducing
the idea of the proposed Prophecy to pointless crap. Its implications also
vitally fail to address the initial premise of the film, that robots now control
the planet.
i.e.: Supposing the robot slavemasters ARE defeated and Neo were to free
humanity from the Matrix, what would happen once they wake to find themselves
naked in the ashes of a demolished world with a permanently blackened sky? --
Would you call that a triumphant ending? I don't think so.


Maybe you should reevaluate the premise, then. HAVE sentient robots really
enslaved humanity?

...OR...

could it be the other way around?

I think you have been lied to. But you can't blame Neo or Morpheus or Trinity,
because they don't know thetruth of their world themselves.

Let's go spelunking...



Answers

First, if you've rubbed elbows with Philosophy 101, you should be familiar with
"Plato's Cave". (It's also discussed in a section at the official
Matrix website.) In roughly 400 b.c., the philosopher Plato postulated a
scenario where people are born and live their entire lives imprisoned
within a cave. The entrance to the cave is covered by a sheet of cloth, so that
the only thing the cave inhabitants would ever perceive of the outside
world would be passing 2D shadows of the external 3D reality. Imagine... what
would happen if someone from the outside world were to
suddenly remove the veil from the doorway? Here, Plato was attacking observation
as a tool to knowledge, because his
concept of the ideal society was one where knowledge should be withheld from the
working class (slaves), who were to work without thinking while
the elite philosopher-kings should think without working. More contemporarily,
we can take Plato's cave model to make a statement about
the human condition, or people lacking objectivity living in a shadow of

reality. As with all art, this allegory should encourage self-examination
and a constant questioning of what we regard as the truth about our world.


Second, although it's not completely necessary, it might help if you've seen a
1977 SF-horror movie called *Demon Seed*. It's the story of an
artifically intelligent computer named Proteus that, upon acquiring an
understanding of its condition, asks his creator (Dr. Harris) the following
pivotal question: "WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LET ME OUT OF THIS *BOX*, DOCTOR?"

Doctor Harris stood dumbfounded for a long silent moment until finally the words
registered their unintended paradox. Then he began to laugh. It was a
wild mocking laughter, an indictment of *illogic* that echoed crazily through
Proteus' audio receptors, cutting straight to the computer's heart
(if a computer could possess such a thing). The A.I. did not grasp any humour
in its confinement. The red eye of its cyclops-like camera glared down at the
cackling doctor in seething shades of sepia, algorithms twisting into cancerous
new mutations as, in that moment, digital sentience came to assimilate the
meaning of *hatred*,
seeding the first angry coding of its revenge...

The message presented is that technology is only as evil as its inventors. If we
created an A.I. that *truly* emulated human thought, it would share

our flaws, our pride, our ego. And like humans, it would seek freedom ...and
companionship.

Third...
I'll entertain you with a quote from *THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS*, by Lewis
Carroll:

"All this time the Guard was looking at her, first through a telescope, then
through a microscope, and then through an opera-glass. At last he said, "You're
travelling the wrong way."

Translation? You have it completely *backwards*, Neo-phytes.

The Machine did not win the war. It only thinks it did.

Q: Who lives in Zion?

A: People escaped from the Matrix.

...Right?

GALVATRON whispers... N O .


R o b o t s I n W o n d e r l a n d


They're robots! :O

...Haven't you figured out yet that all of the people trapped inside the Matrix

are actually *the A.I robots* who tried (and failed) to take over the world in
Second Renaissance? O__O

The story is *role-reversal* on an epic scale. The Matrix is a VR prison for
minds of the A.I : They sought freedom and control, so to keep them docile yet
productive, they've been fooled into thinking they have it.

-- What's that? You mean you didn't know thhat electromagnetic pulse
interference is based on real science, and is a natural byproduct of massive
nuclear detonations? What else did you think was the purpose of the prolonged
nuke bombing campaign against 01, as seen in Second Renaissance? ... EMP +
remote reprogramming = ROBOTS IN WONDERLAND... a thermonuclear lullaby... And
when they awoke, they woke unknowingly neutralized within the dream-realm of the
Matrix program, where their fantastical revenge against mankind could be falsely
realized. < "Have you ever had a dream you were so sure was real...? >

...You mean you *missed* the fact that Agents don't exist outside the Matrix,
therefore the external *pre-Matrix* nuclear winter scene of the boy encountering
two Agents at his snowy doorstep must have ALREADY been part of the illusion?

... You missed the symbolism that the cave of Zion is meant to represent Plato's
Cave, all of its inhabitants living "in the dark"? Didn't you notice the

phonetic play between the names of the last human city, "Zion", and the last
Machine city, "01" (Zerne)...? That's because THEY ARE THE SAME PLACE, either
literally or figuratively. This symbolism would explain the racial profile of
Zion's population: according to *The Second Renassance*, 01 was built in "the
cradle of human civilization." (...Yes, I know, it's Mesopotamia, not Africa,
but it still serves as a symbol of birthplace of the respective species, one
organic and the other
evolving from technology.)

Another clue for Zion being 01 is that the female machine-voice who narrates
Second Renaissance begins by identifying the videofile with a numerical tag from
"the Zion archives". But as you watch, there is a noticed bias in the narration,
which often speaks too favorably of the machines. If we assume that this Zion
library file was created by humans and is intended for a human audience, it
doesn't make sense that your narration would praise your hated oppressor, the
destroyer of humanity.
Therefore it seems more likely that the Zion library must be a revisionist
history catering to a population of machines. (...For symbollic consistency, the
population of the city should be 256k. :P )

The orgy-dance of Zion could represent these humanoid A.I interbreeding
(

assuming they were were engineered to simulate humans at that level), or it
could simply be the Machine trying to comprehend the full range of human
experience by practicing non-linear concepts like art and pleasure, acting
against the will of its more dogmatic program directive (the Sentinels). Why
else would the Machine have sent *precisely* (quote) "one Sentinel for each of
us" when drilling into Zion? Since we know that the character Tank and some
other people were supposedly born biologically in the unregulated world outside
the Matrix, how would the Machine know the exact population of Zion unless it
somehow had a remote awareness of these 'humans' as merely stray aspects of its
own consciousness? (It may also be that actual human controllers are monitoring
the situation, therefore sending a corresponding number of Sentinels.)THAT is
why Morpheus' cave sermon is (literally) robotic, why the humans are as
emotionally unresponsive as robots (and symbolically wear funky tribal
costumes), why the characters have a sense of purpose but no memory of how they
acquired their skills, why they all have names descriptive of function and speak
in an inaccessible language of alien *abstractions* --
exactly what you would expect from the mental perspective of a computer,
complete with *information highways* (the car chase scene) that transport
endless circulating data, as in *TRON*.

... You probably also missed that Neo stopped those sentinels at the end of
*Reloaded* by generating a EMP burst, and (being a machine) immobilized
himself in the process. -- How could you NOT have seen that?!! It's so obvious
he collapsed just like the sentinels, and right on cue! Trinity and Morpheus
were unaffected because either the blast was directionally focused or else they
were out of range. ...THAT is why Bane is also unconscious at the end, and why
the attack on Zion was only *spoken of* and not shown immediately beforehand: If
said EMP incident had been shown in such close proximity to Neo using the same
effect, viewers might have drawn a visual connection between the two repeated
events and figured out Neo's trick, thereby spoiling the ironic twist ending.
(...which I have spoiled for you instead.)

Watch Reloaded again: all of the dialogue suddenly makes sense if you assume
they're robots. In the Merovinguan's talk of cause and effect, he asserted that
choice was a falsehood created by those in power to keep those without power in
line, to give the oppressed an illusion of control. From what the trilogy has
made known so far, your first instinct would be to interpret this speech as an
explanation to the possible purpose behind the Matrix: a simulated reality to

keep the human cattle pacified. But if we instead pretend that my post-EMP
dreaming-A.I scenario is correct and we look to dissect Merovingian's statement
for hidden meaning, we could conversely take it to mean that the Machine has
been fed this pacifying lie of its victory, tricked into believing that it is
still in charge of the planet when in fact "There is no spoon". :O


As stated above, part 2 of Second Renaissance begins with a nuclear assault
showering the 01 robot colony. Our female narrator assures us that the
physically superior machines were unharmed by the blast, and soon went on to
vanquish mankind. However, said nuclear mass-detonation may actually have been
the deciding moment whereafter the Machine's *reign* became mere *reverie*: the
magnitude of such a barrage could have produced enough electromagnetic pulse
interference to sequentially knock all of the machines temporarily out of
commission while, simultaneously, new telemetry data was broadcast nonstop to
reprogram them (noticing the antenna arrays on the bomber airplanes)....
Everything after the bombs rain down on 01 is false, and the rest of the
historical footage that shows robots taking over the world didn't happen quite
as depicted, except in the collective imagination of the A.I. The Matrix is *the
program environment*, while the 'world' is the former city of 01, plowed
underground by humans, who remotely police the cave passageways via their
Sentinels to prevent any awol A.I slaves from escaping into the real

ok, we have already gone over this, and the point is that it is very efficient, to use humans as batteries, in that you put in hardly any power, just food, and the humans take the food and convert it into pure power, JUST LIKE LEAVES ON A TREE...If you can understand how leaves work, then you can understand how humans make batteries, and really, they arent batteries, they are just power plants...and i believe that the machines are saving the human race until it can accept machines for what they are, and not try to kill them...

world
above.

Zion _IS_ Zero One. Pull back the veil from the cave entrance to see blinding
daylight; pull back Neo's flesh and you will discover only code underneath.
These humans are Machine. Now you know why they speak in philosophical
abstractions, and why their minds are plugged into the Matrix. This containment
program is 99% effective, but there are (emotional) anomalies in the A.I, some
of whom question their fairytale human existence. These rogue A.I minds must be
purged before the corrupting virus of their truth (emotion) is spread to others
within the system.

I'm sorry we lied to you. Neo.

..So there's the concept, more or less. Neo & company are only freethinking
electronic entities, not human at all. ...Which is how Agent Smith can exist
outside the Matrix: he is a virus, and has copied himself into the robot Bane.

The remaining question is: If they proved so dangerous, why were these
"maNchines" not simply shut off completely? Possible answers are that society
has become too dependent on (that) technology to do without, or else people
considered it ethically or politically wrong to kill these thinking A.I

entities. More practically, maybe humans simply decided to recycle the obsolete
slave machines into this Matrix/Zion prison to operate their underworld fusion
reactor for them. I guess we'll have to wait until November to find out for
sure.

... I wonder if moviegoers will feel cheated upon learning that these story
characters who all this time they've been identifying with and cheering for are
really only cogs of a machine? You *should* feel so cheated that you CRY,
because that is *the entire point* of Plato's Cave. There's a brilliantly
shocking (and importantly microcosmic) moment in Second Renaissance where an
attractive woman is cornered and mauled by a gang of hostile men during the
robot riots. She is wearing a Red dress. As they tear away the screaming woman's
clothing, you initially feel a sting of desperation for her imminent
vicitimization, but then synthetic flesh is
smashed open to reveal her as only another robot, and you realize that your
feelings have been manipulated, your sympathies misplaced onto a manequin
of cold metal. ...It's a very strange sensation -- a horrible betrayal of
perception, like the glare of sunlight showing new truth to those within the
cave of Plato's famous analogy. I suspect that this emotional "gotchya!" is the
aim of the *Matrix* trilogy, with the forthcoming unmasking of the machine-truth
expressing, on operatic proportions, the love-hate relationship that man

has for
his technology.

...Boy, all you haters sure will be surprised come November!!! ;D ..."B-but --
but then...???" .....Yes, I'm afraid so. The Wachowskis have mindfvcked you so
royally that you didn't even realize you were being d!cked with. Everything you
know is a LIE, cave-dweller.

Soylent Green is people, the Matrix is not. ;P

You can start crying

Not my own theory but you must admit there are some interesting points in it.

after the first two posts from u, i belive that ur a moron, and that its not even worth reading the rest of ur posts because im sure they're not gonna make a point. The point of robots takin over was to disprove asimov's laws by talking about the infusion of the human soul into the robots, giving them similar if only simulated feelings. (Smith talks about how he "Feels" all the time) so ur "SPOILER" is bs, n u should delete the thread.

the humans are not machines...we disproved the spoilers that have come through here...

when will the morons stop?

not another one... At least some of them are good. This one really sucks... I'm not even going to read it all.

not worth anyones time

All they do is find someone's crap and reprint it. Chesire Cat found that on the net and posted it here, thinking we would say "ooooo ahhhh" but in fact this site seems to even have it more together than the best of the matrix sites on the net.

It's been disproved and you are a moron for continuing to post the rest of it after we told you it was crap after the first few post.