small things

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Jezrah
There are a couple of minor things that I'm wondering if anyone's figured them out. The first is when Neo, Trinity and Morpheus are going to see the Merovingian. As they are approaching his table, we see a man being quietly but forcefully removed from the room. Both the camera and Neo track the two as they leave, and the man being removed briefly looks at Neo. And that's it. It's over in little more than a second, but given the Wachowski's penchant for really tiny details that mean something when you look at them, it seems too intentional not to have meaning. I don't recognize him from anywhere else in either film (although I suppose he might show up in the third). The second question is whether anyone recognizes the chain/necklace that Link's wife gives him. He says he doesn't "believe in that stuff" but I didn't recognize the chain so I'm not certain exactly what it is he doesn't believe.

JediHDM
For your first question the man is named Rama Kandra, and we believe he is one of the two programs that sold the Oracle's shells termination code to the Mero, and we've already noticed that...As for the second, i would have to refer you to someone with the DVD, b/c my version is not very good, so even if i were ot go back and look at it, i wouldn't know...

burlyman
doesnt link mean he isnt superstitious.
..fate... whistle

stinkfist462
wtf... rama kandra... weird... i dont pay too much attention to tiny details that is prolly why me matrix iq is about 5

sith_darth_jay
the guy walkin out of the merovingian is that hindu guy Rama (i think that's he's name) he's the guy that sold the oracle shell code to the merovingian to save his daughter, a very important child to future of the matrix (from EtM).
link doesn't believe on luck charms, ,not the necklace or the figure that that necklace has.

JediHDM
wow, isn't that what i just said...? Burly, anyone?

burlyman
yes

sith_darth_jay
yeah sorry..

laughing

sith_darth_jay
i'm a bit of slow tiper today

Jezrah
Okay, I'll buy it since so many people agree, but where exactly is that info coming from about Rama?

clavis9495
JediHDM just knows so don't ask him where he got it from He just knows...

realworlddreams
Jedi's are some of the smartest people in the universe, plus, they got lightsabers, jus dont mess w/them

droopy1592
Jedi's can't mess with Cat's with Lemons on their heads!

JediHDM
The oracle tells us that two programs which she trusted sold the termination code of her original shell for the life of their child (im paraphrasing, cant remember exactly, burly, a little help?) she says the child is important to the future...Then, in reloaded, we see a man (whom we come to know as Rama Kandra) being escorted away from the Mero when our heros arrive. THEN, in the trailer, we see a little girl in LIMBO (Mobil ave) with NEO and and the same man (Rama Kandra) and a woman. THUS, i put two and two together, and say Rama is the father, and the little girl is the child that is important.

Wolfwood
How bout clarifying a little more, when you say the oracle said this about the two programs, are you referring to her saying this in ETM after she got a new shell? And the trailer, are you referring to the Revolutions trailer at the end of Reloaded?

JediHDM
yes, i refer to the new Oracle shell talking to Ghost, if i remember correctly, and I refer to the Theatrical trailer, not the one at the end of Reloaded.

burlyman
Oracle : Two programs that I trusted sold the termination code of my original shell to the Merovingian.
Ghost : Why did they do that?
Oracle : For love. For the life of their child.
Ghost : You knew about it, and yet you let it happen?
Oracle : I had to.
Ghost : Why?
Oracle : Because the child is important. I can't tell you why, but I believe one day, the child will change both our world and your world forever.

PersefonePotter
What part from EtM is that from?? I've beat it on both characters and must have completely MISSED that....

And I believe the necklace, it is supposed to be like some sort of Catholic rosary, but I can't see anyone in the Matrix even knowing what religion is.....

JediHDM
it isn't in the ETM, except for what Burly posted up ^ there...

burlyman
i nicked it from one of omegas posts roll eyes (sarcastic)

JediHDM
Thats cool, Burly, i just didn't have the time to look...Thanks

burlyman
this is totally from memory:

Oracle: The Merovingian warned me that if i made a certain choice, it would cost me.
Niobe: What choice was that?
Oracle: The same choice you will have to make. To help Neo or not.

what did she do? she talked to neo, and sent him to mero..
she didnt really tell him much

Morpheus: Yes, we are here to speak with the Merovingian.
Maitre'd: Of course, he has been expecting you. Follow me.
Merovingian: Aha, here he is at last. Neo, the One himself, right?..

The Omega

priestjim
And the "Please..." by the Archie was for naming the intuitive program "The Oracle" (it was ironic). But why would the mother of the matrix want to break the circle?

lllNEOlll
because she is sympathetic for the human psyche

priestjim
Yes but she will die if the Matrix is destroyed. You say, she is going to be terminated anyway (by herself I think).

lllNEOlll
then ,there you go...

The Omega
"I'm interested in one thing, Neo. The future. And the only way to get there is together."
- The Oracle, Matrix Reloaded

lllNEOlll
Ok so they "get" there together...that doesn't mean they stay there together. In other words maybe together they destroy the matrix so humanity can be free.

JediHDM
HUMANITY MUST CHOOSE TO BE FREE, IT CANNOT BE FREED BY ANYONE...you miss the point, every human must make the decision for themselves whether or not they accept the matrix or not...so, the only thing they CAN do is let the elders live out thier lives in the matrix, and just free the kids, until there is nobody left...

priestjim
Good point Neo. The oracle doesn't care if she dies as long as her visions become true!

tshirt
Isn't that one of characteristics of being a mother? Loving your children so much that you would die for them?

HUMANITY MUST CHOOSE TO BE FREE, IT CANNOT BE FREED BY ANYONE...you miss the point, every human must make the decision for themselves whether or not they accept the matrix or not...so, the only thing they CAN do is let the elders live out thier lives in the matrix, and just free the kids, until there is nobody left...

Yes, they must choose - on an individual basis. But, that doesn't mean you cannot help them. Let them see what they are truly living like. Some may see the pods and wires and want to get out. Others may want to plug back in.

They can free the elders. Age is not a requirement. Yes, it is harder for older people to deal with something like that. Adjusting is not easy, but not impossible.

JediHDM
Neo almost went crazy when he got out, and he contained the ONE code...Morpheus himself said that they dont free a mind once it reaches a certain age, the mind has trouble letting go, its dangerous...it would take much proof to convince the old ones, and they would probably rather shoot themsleves than believe their entire life is a lie...

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