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I was just wondering... Not like thoes 2I found something that is hard proof" People... just wondering... That IF They NEver know "who struck first" (The machines or the humans)... Then why is it that in the Animatrix They have all that story About B166ER and everything like it actually happened (they even have FOOTAGE) about the machines and all... but Morpheuse doesn't know who struck first (we see him when he is young in that comic with the bread) (not that it has anything to do with anything) So I was just WONDERING just THINKING that the Second renaissence Zion Archives thingy is AFTER the war with the Hunk O bolts and they figured that all or something.... What do YOU YOURSELF think?

wow, interesting, never thought of that...Hmmm...MWAM, Maybe...?

exactly wut i was thinking, but who programmed the Zion archive, and if Morpheus doesnt know, he must hav never seen these archives.

or NOBODY has seen them...

ya, so this must have been made after

well, Morpheus does know that the humans torched the sky, so there is at least some knowledge that he has. And I don't think it does say in the Animatrix who struck first. Cuz sure it has the footage of the humans commiting atrocities against the robots, but it doesn't actually show who "fires the first shot" if you will in regards to starting a full out war. Riots and such are not a start of a war, just as the B166ER incident isn't the "first shot" of the machines...does this make sense or am I babbling?

How could it be made at anytime other than AFTER the war?

maybe, but who would those files be made by in the first place?

maybe they were salvaged?

or perhaps they were created by BIASED machines...

hehe, you're so cynical...well, before I say anything, I'd like to hear you explain that some more if you could

ya, i thought that the AI made them, and maybe it was totally different. Think about it. if machines made the files, then it may be a big lie. There might have never been a war and maybe the machines just felt like taking over.

I can see how these things may be true, but to put this massive revelation in only one more movie seems to be quite a task. And like the back of the Reloaded DVD says "to a destiny that passes from revelations to Revolutions"...since the next movie is titled revolutions, and not revelations, I'm thinking that maybe the MWAM theory is not gonna turn out to be true, mostly because it'd be kinda hard to put that into one more movie...but maybe they can, who knows...

it matters how long the movie will be, hopefully 3 hours

well, think about how fast the "one matrix, neo is the one, the war is almost over" idea changed into "many matrices, neo is ONE one, the war will NEVER be over"...

True true. Hmm...I guess I'm wondering if the MWAM idea is plausible, though. Cuz, the sentinel thing at the end of Reloaded throws quite a big spin, and Bane/Smith, too. But, if it really is a MWAM, do you think Neo would've been able to see that once he realized his potential? Or do you think the "second matrix" may be in a different coding and so he can't see it? Or is he just not aware of it maybe being fake and at the end of reloaded he started realizing it was fake and so was able to stop the sentinels?

i think that Neo has begun to realize the truth, hence, he stops the sentinels in the same way he stops bullets...

True, but he does pass out in the "real" world, and not in the matrix....also, and this is sort of a spoiler, but in the revolutions preview it seems he's stopping sentinels while him and Trinity are flying in a hovercraft, but he's blindfolded, why would he need to be blindfolded?

...maybe it's best for us not to know that untill 11.05

this is kinda off subject...but I cant get a screen shot to copy and paste into photoshop. anyone know the best way to get a screen shot?

i cant screenshot dvd bloody copyright
but i have a copy to do that

I want to show you guys a shot from M2 and cant paste it into anything from my dvd app. Anyone know a good way to get it into a file?

Remember when Neo, Morph and trin go to see mero....when they are walking in....notice neo looks to his left (you hear the tingling matrix sound effect) and you notice a man being escorted out of the restaurant, and he turns and looks at neo.

who is this guy and why would they even put that in, unless it means something.

That man is Rama Kandra, the father of the little girl seen in the trailers and the man who sold the termination codes for the oracles shell to the Mero, as we have said many times in the past few days...