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anyone else think sauron is best character ever created, i know alot of you will say morgoth is eviler or something like that, but i dont care sauron is amazing, any1 got anything 2 say on the matter, I WANT THREADS

Hm I nearly agree... not the best character but definitely one of the best...
for my part I prefer Morgoth, the Nazgul... and Beleg

i knew someone would say morgoth, he may be eviller but sauron is more like a believable character he feels fear and all the stuff evil people arent supposed to plus he is cunning

Who says Morgoth doesn't have fears, he fears a great many things

ok, calm, im just saying, and what may i ask is morgoth afraid of?

well he does rock coz he doesnt kill Legolas

Morgoth is a bit afraid of Ungoliante, for example (and she is "only" a Maia)

No its not because he is more evil... he's just cooler

right that is it im on a rant, if i hear people talking abpout how sexy/nice/funny/sexy or sexy legolas is ONE more time im gonna kick of

morgoth knew fear, when fingolfin pounded on his door challenging him to combat it says that morgoth only took the challenge because of all of his captains were their with him, and it says that he alone of all the valar knew fear. he feared the west, he feared the noldor. exa, good call, i love beleg he is one of my favorites plus mablung, ecthelion, and glorifindel. its kind of odd, the noldor were supposed to be the mightiest of the elves in beleriand but aside from there princes you dont hear anything of them. mablung and beleg where sindar and ecthelion and glorfindel could have been noldor but not necessarily, could be mixed blood, (i think it says somewhere that glorfindel was of finarfins house though)

yeah but does he look as cool as sauron, although saruman is uite good aswell

anyway is the silmarillion a good read, iv read all other jrr. tolkien books but not that one, i though it was written like a textbook, whats it about

i love it, it reads like the bible, kind of slow, but i ussually blast through it. it is all the history of the begining of the world, the coming of elves and men, and the battle of good versus evil, all of which the lord of the rings is just the very end of.

See, what I tell ya, Morgoth does know fear.

And the Silmarillion is a must read for any true Tolkien fan.

Sauron rules!

Christopher Lee does an excellent job of Saruman! Sauron is a really interesting character..... Tolkien does an awesome job of making his character, go Tolkien!!!!!

Sauron is good but he gets negative points for putting all his power in a freakin ring like a dummy-booty. In terms of bad guys, there's not a bad guy out there who impresses me at all. But thats just me Sauron just seems like another run of the mill bad guy to me. blah blah blah blah blaaaaaaah. Ya blah blah blah blah blah blah?

Sauron is a freak who passes the most of his time building is body



Morgoth/Melkor is better, also: Feanor, Finrod, Finwe, Fingwe, Finarfin, Fingolfin, Galadriel, Turin, Luthien Thinuviel, Glorfindel, Glaurung and Smaug, Thorin, Gandalf, etc etc not by this order...

And the three "stoned"...well.. the ones who were turned to rock by Gandalfrock trolls are cool too

That's my opinion

I mean: the trhee "stoned" trolls

LOL

Saruman is also interesting, yes but I dont like him as a character...
Hm I like most of the Lords of Gondor a lot... but the Nazgul are the best

But I think it was a mistake by Sauron to make the Ring.
For a time, it was good (lol) and he had power and everything, but putting your most important thing into some small thing is imho not very intelligent. cuz how could he have lost his power otherwise if he hadnt "put" it into the ring?

well if he HADNT made the ring, it wouldnt be a very entertaining story lol and gabriel05 i dont think you could hav enkoyed lotr to the full extent thinking sauron was just another bad guy, i mean it would work if we had say aragor and the fellowship trying to destroy the ring before darth vader got it or skelator, while reading i was thinking of sauron as a great threat, and is it only me who wishes that we could all live in the lotr times

well i think sauron put so much of his power into the ring because it was the only chance he had to have dominion over the elves. basically a big risk with huge rewards. as long as he had no control over the elves he could not be "king of arda". living in LOTR would be cool, but not everybody could be aragorn or legolas or any other character, so a lot of people would have to be pee-ons and that wouldnt be very much fun, lol.

im reading unfinished tales now if you have any intersting pages
??? hint hint

Sauron wasn't trying to rule Arda only Middle Earth, he's nowhere near powerful enough to ever rule Arda.

can someone tell me how to get a pic next 2 my name like exa has the tolkien sign thing

doesnt belong here but click on "profile" on the top of the page and then "edit options"... there on the bottom... load one up or use a ready one.

sauron was to trying to rule all of the world, not just middle earth. he wanted dominion over all free peoples, not just the free peoples of middle earth. his desires were much like morgoth. morgoth wanted to be the ruler of the vision that illvatar (excuse spelling) showed them, and all of saurons desires are morgoths in origin.

He also calls himself Lord of the Earth as Morgoth did


But I think Sauron knew that he wasnt yet strong enough to attack Valinor.

i dont think sauron ever would attack valinor. since valinor had been removed from the earth he probably thought that the valar cared no more for the rest of arda as morgoth once did, and i am sure sauron would be content with ruling the rest of the world, for awhile . he knows though that any assault apon valinor is hopeless, thats why he sent ar pharazon (i believe thats his name) and the numenor fleet against valinor.

who are the numenors?

they were members of 3 houses of men that aided the elves and valar against morgoth in the first age. they were granted a land of gift (numenor) where they wouldnt grow sick and there lives were greatly lengthened, but due to their fear of death (planted by morgoth long ago) they grew rebelious towards the valar who granted them these gifts. finally in the second age sauron proclaimed himself king of men so the king of numenor came back to middle earth and sauron surrendered himself to him, but sauron using his fair hue became a councilor to the king and when finally the king became old and feared death, sauron convinced him that if he went to valinor he would be granted everlasting life even if the king had to defeat the valar to get it. well the king went to valinor and was swallowed up by the earth as well as the land of gift, but some escaped of the few that remand faithful to the valar and they were the ones who created the kingdoms of arnor and gondor.

ok thx for the info

The true bad guy in this story is that afreakin RING. That's what actually scares me. I mean look at what it did to Gollum. You don't even see this Sauron guy. He's just like some whack nightmarish dude with a big fat eye. Who is scared of a big freakin eye?!? Just build a 400 ft tall mace canister or something jeez. Even the book said after he got his precious cut off his hand he has no powers, and his only power is through fear. So ya know...

oh btw well said sauron.

LOL thanks, you dont SEE sauron, but its not what you see that is supposed to scare you, jeepers creeps movies prove that 1, the bad guy is on screen most of the film and NOBODY was scared of that film although sauron we dont see him much at all, and i KNOW what happens in rotk but im still scared to see it incase he gets the ring,

i have issues dont i lol

Smaug is probably my favorite Lotr Character, even though he was in the Hobbit. But yeah, Sauron is very cool too. And I also wish we lived in the middle earth days. That would be nice. No traffic, no pollution, . . . etc.etc.etc.

heres sumtin fun that my friend emailed me about 3 weeks ago:

Sauron's letter-->

Good evening, mortals, I'd like to introduce myself. I'm Sauron, the Lord of the Rings.

Caught the title, did you? I should expect so. Most of you idiots might remember the title to the movie with Frodo, Legolas, and/or Aragorn in it. Which is why we're going to have a little conversation.

*I* am the Lord of the Rings. Not some midget with hairy feet and blue eyes the size of saucer plates. Not some pretty boy with pointy ears and a blond wig. Not some loser king-turned-ranger-turned-king badly in need of a haircut and a shave. Me. Sauron. The Deceiver. The real honest-to-Tolkien Lord of the Rings.

I don't mean to complain. I'm glad you came to see my movie. But you seem to have lost focus. The bloody movie is named after ME!! It's not "Midget Carrying A Ring," or "Cute Elf Boy," or "Sexy Ranger." It's "Lord of the Rings." If it was about one of the above, I'm sure they would have renamed it to "The Ringbearer," or some other flowery title.

I am *sick* and *tired* of you little fangirls (and a few of the fanboys) going on about how cute Frodo was. Or how hot Legolas was. Or how sexy Aragorn was. Are they the real stars of the movie? No. I am. Without *me*, there would be no movie!!

Without a doubt, *I* am the most important character in the movie. Middle Earth depends on me to oppress it and wreak havoc and evil. Do you have any idea how hard it is to corrupt, taint, destroy, and ruin *everything* you touch? It's not easy, let me tell you. It's hard work being an overlord of evil! I have all these evil plans to concoct, and there's a lot of appearances to be made. I hardly get any sleep, what with having to keep an eye out for everything those idiots do to try and thwart me.

But do I have any fangirls? Do I have ridiculous girls who collect images of me, and devote entire shrines to how sexy I am? Do I get any appreciation? No. I am unloved, uncared for, and in the end, I have to die, just to make the heroes look good. Would you even appreciate Frodo completely if it weren't for *my* ring? Would you like Legolas so much if I didn't provide his targets for him to show off with a bow? Would you think Aragorn was so sexy if he never had to draw his sword and fight off my minions? Would you have liked the movie as much if I didn't arrange for the dramatic deaths of at least two characters? If it weren't for me, there'd be no movie.

Now, I know I don't have a pretty face and long, blond hair. Or big blue eyes and a sensitive face. Or smoldering green eyes and classic good looks. But a little appreciation would be nice. What about my lidless eye, wreathed in flames, eh? Now that's cool. Does Frodo have a lidless eye wreathed in flames? I think not. Hell, he can barely keep his eyes symmetrical without photo manipulation. And what about my cool metal suit of armor? Does Legolas have a suit of intimidating armor? No, he doesn't.

All he has is some frippy Elf clothing, and stupid braids. And he walks like a girl. And what about my piece d' resistance? The One Ring? Does Aragorn have the One Ring at any point of the movie? No, he's so scared of it, he sends off the little hobbit like a coward. And he spends more time touching Legolas and Boromir in that movie than Arwen. (Wonder what *that's* all about, eh?)

Obviously, I have some interesting qualities I feel are overlooked. All you fangirls (and fanboys) need to stop drooling after Frodo, Legolas, and Aragorn. Stop it with the obsession!! You're losing focus for the movie!! Do you think Tolkien created those characters so you could chase after them in your sexual fantasies? I think not. The old bastard was way too interested in cross-dressing women to create male fantasies for you. *I* am the star of the show. And I want to be loved for what I am, and what I do!!

I mean, look at yourselves. Just *look* at what you've turned into. Instead of appreciating the film, the books, or even the important message behind the story (don't steal other people's jewelry), you chase after the male characters in the story. I've even seen shrines to Boromir. Boromir!! He bloody well died, you know!! The loser practically tried to rip Frodo limb-from-limb to get the ring, and yet, you appreciate *him*, just because he tried to save those idiots, Merry and Pippin. The fools got everyone in trouble more times than *I* did in the film, and you still like *them*. I barely had to do *any* evil in the first movie. Pippin was doing a rather nice job of it all by himself.

Take the scribe of my message, J. Marie, for instance. The fool girl has a shrine to naked Viggo Mortenson pictures on her hard drive. Now that's sad. She has filled up folders of precious memory with pictures of Orlando Bloom. She's wasted countless hours agonizing over writing fanfiction (about Aragorn and Legolas, no less). She's seen the movie *six* times, with no end insight as of this writing, simply so she can drool over Aragorn and Legolas. It's pathetic, I tell you.

Where are my shrines? Why does she go to the bathroom during the parts of the movie before Aragorn shows up? Why does she concern herself with the pizza grease on her hands during *my* scenes, yet didn't even notice her brother spilling Pepsi all over her pants when Aragorn was fighting the Nazgul? It's unfair.

She'll quote you *Gollum* before she can mention anything that I have done to make this film great. She just shrugs and tells all her friends she hopes Aragorn gets a nude scene in the next movie!! How degrading!!

And where were *my* Oscar nominations?? Nobody would care about Gandalf if it weren't for *me*!! He'd be nothing without *me* to define him!! It's an injustice!!!

And don't even get me started on the fanfiction. Where's my sex scenes? (I'm a lover, not a fighter, you know.) My thoughts and angst?? Where's my slash moments (I personally think that Gandalf and I need to get the hook-up), or the times when I kidnap Arwen from Aragorn? Where's the Mary Sues that try to get *me* to marry them? I'll have you know I have some very nice love poetry stored up for just that occasion. It's always about Aragorn, Legolas, or Frodo!! I'm asking for some focus here. For people to recognize that the Lord of the Rings is about ME. The Lord of the Rings. Not the ranger who needs to shave. Not the Elf who looks like a girl at a distance. And certainly not some computer-midget-ized hobbit with eyes too big for his face. I'll get him. And his little dog, too.

I *demand* equal rights. I want web shrines, folders full of images of me on your hard drive, people paying eight bucks a pop just to see *me* on screen repeatedly, fanfiction, love scenes, Mary Sue fics, grand kidnapping the damsel scenes, horrific storylines, and angst-filled stories!! I *am* the Lord of the Rings!! It's all about ME!! ME!!! MEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

SAURON - THE LORD OF THE RINGS

isnt that great!!!

lol

i wonder what happened to the finger that was cut off

and sauron probably would try and take over valinor, if he had the ring, i dont think he would be too sucessful but it would be a good read

that was great lol. i think i shld try 2 cum up wit somethin lik that