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How come Eomer gave Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli Hasufel and Arod but at Helm's Deep, it was Brego?

good question, i had heard that Two Towers Ext. DVD will explain it but i dont believe that its explanation will match with the literary works. i wish i could remember what i read on it, but luckily we only have to waite a few more days, well about a month!?!?!?!

I've also heard that the extened dvd is supposed to explain it, but I doubt that it has anything to do with the book.

i dont think brego was a horse of the rohirrim...remember, when aragorn fell, he did not have a horse, then brego appeared, so i think brego may be a horse of aragorns

No, Brego is the horse of Theodens son Theodred (the guy who was brought to Meduseld, dying).
When Theodred fell in the Battle of the Fords of Isen, Brego ran away and let nobody touch him until he found Aragorn. (not in the book, the name is also invented for the film - originally, this was the name of a king of Rohan)
Is explained on the TT SEE.

In RoTk he'll have another horse again, Roheryn.

Thanks for clearin' that up guys...
I just think it's so unfair that Gimli and Legolas had to ride Arod the whole time and Aragorn gets Brego and Roheryn...

Oh and by the way, Aragorn only rode Hasufel in the TT book...

yeh i knew brego was a king...........i shouldve pieced together that it was a horse of royalty

Yeah, but still. I would have thought his name would be carried down to a human, but then again they do live in Rohan, home of the Horse-lords...

Yes I also think it was unfair that Eomer only gave them two horses while in the book they get three but just take two.
Not only Brego and probably Roheryn, but also Hasufel
By the way, why the hell did they make Hasufel be brown?? In the book Tolkien expressively says that Hasufel is grey and his name also means greycoat...

In TT, yes, but in RoTK he gets Roheryn
In the book no Brego was needed as Aragorn didnt nearly die.

Well, it's the same with Shadowfax... He was supposed to be gray, hence his name... but in TTT, he was white and didn't have a saddle...
Arod was the only one who wasn't supposed to have a saddle b/c Legolas and Gimli were riding him, not the other way around...

well it is always easier to do something a certain way in a book than it is to film it in a certain way

That's true... but how hard is it to get a gray horse in New Zealand?

the colour should have been no problem
but the saddle thingies pose already bigger problems

A) not every horse likes to be riden bareback
B) not every actor or specific stuntman can ride horses bareback
(since PJ wanted to do as lil as possible with computers I think he might just have made those changes instead of f*cking around with computers)

Yes, but my point is: Why was Shadowfax bare-backed? 'Cause PJ wanted to add more, or was it because he's supposedly the King of Horses?

prolly because he was supposed to be the king of horses and cause he wanted to show how good gandalf is in all fields

I also think so
Looks cooler

True...

dude shadowfax is gray the only white horses that exsist are albino with all pink skin around the muzle and if u look at shadowfax in the movie his skin is black so he is grey its hard to explain but belive me he is grey not white, sorry back to subject

Not really grey,
And for example the mane is a bit yellowish (at least at one of the Shadowfaxes).

Just look at Lipizzans (dunno what theyre called in English), the adults are quite white while the young are black/grey/dark brown.


But shadowfax is rather white then grey.

I agree... if he was grey, why was he as blinding white as Gandalf in the Battle at Helm's Deep?

Because of the light

Nah of course he was white cuz I dunno grey horses with yellow mane.

Tis true... he is white! I just watched TTT...

... but his color changes a bit during the film as different horses were used for shadowfax.

just to say, in Tolkein's book, Gandalf explains to pippin (i think) that he rides shadowfax bareback because he will not permit anyone to put a saddle on him

yea, that sounds reasonable

yeah thats why, shadowfax will not allow many men to ride him, and the few he does must ride bareback as he will not be saddled and not thong can tame him, and if he chooses to let you ride, he will not let his rider fall

It will explain it in 2 towers ex

Its imo already explained in the TT NV.

Bring back Hasufel. For the love of the King!!

no he is considerd a GRAY horse if the horses skin is black than it is gray if i could i would go get the horse who was shadowfax and shave his coat than the skin would be black and the coat color is white but he is a GRAY horse i ve been riding horses since the 1st grade (now almost 15) i should know

But at least one of the Shadowfaxes has a pink nose

i ve noticed that to but that is because the horse has a marking there if the nose was all pink than thats albino but little sploches are markings and the yellow mane doesnt mean any thing and ive seen a gray horse with a yellow mane there are many dif types of gray horses but this is very confusing to explain so never mind

The question is, when is a horse "gray" and when "white"?

Even Albinos arent really white, rather colourless

no see he is always a gray horse but his COAT is always white but if you went to look at different types of gray horses than there are 3 i think a dapple grey with a gray coat and little round spots of white, and a flea bitten gray with a white coat and little spots of brown that look like flea bites, and a regular gray that is all white i know its very confusing but hopfuly i answered your question

o now i get your question well a gray horse has black skin (u usually cant see unless u shave them or look at the ears and nose they should be black the ears a hint of black or if u look inside, black) and an albino has pink skin the WHOLE muzle is pink as are the ears as i said earlyer

Ok thanks a lot

no prob that was confusing but its all good he he

But I finally understand what you meant

good i tried, he he

thx again



however, how do you think the scenes with roheryn will be like (IF they will be)?

Brego in the EE is a horse that Aragorn calms down speaking elvish, he lets the horse go into the wild. It is this horse that we see at the river scene, not the horse he received from the Rohans.

It is Elvish, 'cause he talks to the other Elves, like FotR EE (Haldir) and Dwarvish 'cause he knew what Gimli said in same movie...

He cant know more Dwarvish than perhaps some words as this language is kept secret and Aragorn wasnt really a fried of the Dwarves; its illogical that Aragorn knows what Gimli, save if its a commonly used sentence.
He does speak Elvish but this is no elvish but Rohirric, reproduced in Old English (just compare the words with modern English...)

ya know whats dumb they say that one chesnut horse that Aragorn got from Rohan they say that Brego i read it on the internet i was lokking at posters and i have a ? dosent Aragorn ride with Brego to war

I didnt really get what you mean

Why is brego a bay color (black mane, tail, legs, nose) when he is introduced in Rohan when Aragorn "tames" him, but later and in the posters he is chestnut?

ya see thats what i was talking about that dumb

Yeah, really. You'd think in NZ they could have gotten enough horses that looked the same! I mean, the star on his forhead isn't even the same size!

ha ha i know!! doesnt the chesnut even have a blaze? he he i thought i saw a blaze (a white mark that goes down almost the horses whole face and stays in-between the eyes 4 those of you who are whondering)

Ok, I think what is going on is that in the posters they show Brego as the Bay and Hasufel as the chestnut. Because in the movie Hasufel is a chestnut. I am not sure about the blaze thing. I geuss we'll just ahve to keep watching in ROTK and see!

Here's the picture I was refereing to above.

Hope I was allowed to attach that!

ya that the picture i was thinking about i saw it a long time ago and the horse he is riding is Hasufel and they say its Brego and the only Brego in that pic is the one on the right, the bay

Yeah! I'm glad someone else is bothered by this as well! Anyway, do you think they will have Aragorn on the bay for ROTK? Has anyone seen any pictures?

are you laughing at me/us?
come on, you gotta tell me if you know something! This just really bothers me!

us, ya that bugged me so much i was afraid to talk about it cuz its pointless but i think he will go on Brego/bay cuz thats who he rode on in helms deep

Hm? What?
Sorry, I'm still a bit sleepy

hehe I guess us horse nuts find this topic interesting but at the same time I totally see how it is pointless!

you MIGHT eventually be right...

, well it doesnt matter cuz horse people are cool power to the ponies!!!! he he jk but it can be important cuz some people may not notice these things but it can be a big deal if you know whats going on, this wasnt that important but still it can be to horse people

Hello,

For those of you wondering about why Shadowfax was "white" in the movie where it says "grey" in the book: in horse terminoloy, white horses with black skin are called "grey" (to differentiate from albino white fur with pink skin). Tolkein was knowledgeable about horses and used the term grey to mean exactly what you saw in the movie!

Tolkein describes in the book that Shadowfax will bear a person only if he wishes, and will not accept any kind of tack such as saddle or bridle. He is not a normal horse, but a sort of spirit horse who can travel faster than any mortal horse through magical means, and he is as intelligent as any of the humans or human-type characters therefore he does not need to be guided or controlled. It would be beneath him.

PS interestingly, grey horses (white with black skin) are often born black and turn grey as they gain adult coat, then get whiter as they grown to adulthood.

Ah yes that's right, Gandalf did take a while to tame Shadowfax...

He didnt even tame him but Shadowfax allowed Gandalf to ride him

Hey thx for the thing with he grey horses...

Ok, let me help you clear this out. I have dedicated alot of my time learning about the horses of LOTR. Plus, I own horses! Whoever said that Shadowfax is actually grey even though he is white is absolutely correct! Ding ding ding! We have a winner! I own a grey horse who is white. On a horse's pedigree, if it has dark skin and is not albino, it must be listed as a grey horse. My horse as a foal was solid black and is now a crisp beautiful white. Shadowfax was ridden bareback because he "accpted neither saddle nor reign" and "bore only those whom he deemed worthy." Shadowfax was the son of Feralof, one of the great Mearas stallions. Ok, now onto Brego and Hasufel! Brego only appears in the movie, and in the special addition of TTT, Aragorn meets him in the stable. He was the horse of Theoden's son and the horse refuses to be handles. Aragorn demands to Eowyn that "Release this hore! He has seen to much of war" and he speaks a few Elvish phrases to the stallion. After Aragorn was attacked by the warg, Brego comes to his aid in thanks for his deeds. He will later ride this horse in ROTK. Brego, who is bay, is not to be confused with Hasufel, who is chesnut. Hasufel was given to Aragorn by Eomer and the Rohirrium. He only rides this horse to Edoras and sometimes in between. Arod was given by Eomer to Legolas and gimli. He DID accept a saddle, but Legolas did not use one since he is an elf, and Elves are VERY good riders. Now, Hasufel was chesnut, but did not have a blaze. I hope you're not confusing him with Bill in the Fellowship who was purchased in Bree and released at the gates of Moria. Whew, I'm tired of talking. Are there any more questions, or does that cover everything?

Wow...big paragraph...ow my eyes....Welcome!

so shadowfax is grey we needed someone that knows of horses pedigree to be aware of that..

I'm sorry, You're right. I looked into the books a bit more and Feralof, was an ansestor of Asfaloth, but not the father. Thanks for correcting me.

Yes it is Rohirric, that Aragorn speaks to Brego. But I've memorized the book. Not the movie. Sorry again.