Interesting Revolutions Review from Space.com (Spoilers)
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Ushgarak
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ROTJ the best bookend? There goes HIS credibility as far as I am concerned...
JediHDM
http://www.space.com/entertainment/when_matrix_031105.html
wow, look at the people who don't understand ANY of what the Architect said...if they did understand it, they would know the year is probably closer to 2800, not 2200...
The Omega
JediHDM> My point exactly. How these people reached this conclusion about it being the year 2200 eludes me completely. But it's interesting up until then. I wonder how they got the dates.
However: The review brings up some interesting points though, which I do agree with (and some I do not).
ITALIAN926
His last line even states what the Architech said, yet he ignores it. This is due to Morpheus's estimation of being the year 2100 something in M1 and that sticks in most peoples minds. They probably wouldve been better off having Morpheus say "We honestly dont know what year it is" without the 2100 estimation.
DARKVIRUS
Tell me if im being an idiot or if im insulting anyone (some ppl seem to be very quick to do that....hehehe) but, uh can you also post some of the other reviews that are out there?. I would also like to see ones from critics who have been around for a long time and would know what they are talking about from a theatrical point of view.
dave123
"2100 -- Machines create the Matrix, a dream-like world set in 1999, to extend the lives of the comatose human batteries.
2105 -- The first human known as The One, locked in bondage inside the Matrix, learns he can manipulate the world through thought and manages to break free. Seeks sanctuary in the underground human stronghold of Zion.
2105 - 2150 -- Zion resistance movement created, although The One later dies under unexplained circumstances.
2161 -- Morpheus born in a Matrix womb; freed in childhood.
2167 -- Trinity born in a Matrix womb; freed in early childhood.
2175 -- The Oracle prophesizes that Morpheus will discover the second coming of The One.
2199 -- Trinity and Morpheus discover Neo, a hacker in the Matrix. They free him and do battle with Agent Smith, a program designed to rid the Matrix of humans who detect its flaws.
2201 -- The Osiris, another human rebellion ship, discovers machines drilling through the Earth above Zion. Crew members send a message through the Matrix to their compatriots shortly before being destroyed."
1) wasnt the first matrix a 'perfect world' - not 1999.
2) if morpheus says that have fought for 100 years, that means the previous zions would have only lasted a few years, as 100 years have passed since 2100 to 2200, meaning he must know more than he lets on?
am i confused or are they wrong?
The Omega
THEY are wrong. Whoever made that timeline didn't get the Architects speech in Reloaded.
DARKVIRUS
Well well lookie here
http://411mania.com/movies/news/article.php?news_id=4487
http://www.411mania.com/movies/reviews/article.php?reviews_id=2185
http://www.411mania.com/movies/reviews/article.php?reviews_id=2199
Hey if you dont care for the reviews so much that's coo' but the first link has real numbers.
The Omega
DV> What does that site have to do with space.com and reviews?
The Savior
Morpheus states in M1 that the year is closer to 2199, remember? That's when they find Neo and set him free...
So what's wrong?
DARKVIRUS
I just edited my post and that site does movie reviews one from someone who liked reloded and one from someone who disliked reloaded.
Should I clutter the place up some more and make another thread or just come here and post some reviews.
JediHDM
but Morpheus was going on the premise that, right after Second renaissance, the humans were put into the matrix that they are in, not knowing that there were 5 ones before and two failed matrices...THATS whats wrong...
The Omega
DV> Your original site was just the tiresome repetition of "it's just money and nothing else." If you have something to contribute that deals with the spac.com review, mine or the timeline, go ahead. If it's something else, look for a thread ALREADY dealing with it...
If it doens't exist go ahead and make a new thread.
The Savior
By the way.... can anyone explain why is it that in the end of The Second Renaissance we see that little kid running home to meet his parents and he finds the agents? I mean, that's still the real world with nuclear winter, right?
So what gives? Agents can exist outside the Matrix?
dave123
my taking on it is that the machines took the boy away to the matrix, and the machines are shown metaphorically as agents, but thats just my perception, others will say differently and i aint sure
husky321
How was trinity freed in early childhood. I thought she was a computer hacker as it was stated in M1.
Ushgarak
So? Morpheus is considered to be a computer hacker as well. They don't entirely drop that scthick once freed.
But yes, the timeline is nonsense!
The Savior
Omega> What's your opinion on those agent kidnapping the little boy at the end of second renaissance if that's the real world?
The Savior
and where's your part 2 review?
The Savior
Thanks Omega... bit still.... I used to think a hell of a lot differently before the movie came out. I mean, the Second Renaissance is apparently made to be shown to a human audience, correct? In the beggining we see that it is from the Zion Archives... and still it glorifies the machines.. it's clearly made to show the humans as being the evil doers. That's strange...who would make a video and show it to humans something that shows the Destroyers of Mankind as the good guy?
I used to think that Zion used to be a place where humans kept some machines (AI). I used to think that we won the war. I used to think that no human would ever blacken the sky in the entire world...we need it, right? So we did it only in 01 (and Trinity makes this very clear when she says that "Temperature is dropping..."
there's no sun in 01, right? And still the Second Renaissance shows the entire planet in black smoke! I used to think that humans won the war and to keep the machines on a leash, doing whatever we wanted, we'd simulate a world where They won and we were subordinate. That way, we'd make the assumption that humans made that video to machines (in Zion) to show them human things and one day live in peace again......
What do you think??
Let me know
The Savior
So you just don't believe that all of them could be robots?
And you do agree that Neo is human with a program The One, correct? And what about Morpheus and Trinity? Don't they too have programming in the Matrix (one to find the One and the other to fall in love with him)?
silver_tears
I must say im very disappointed with the reviews for revo in my area
Nothing but old bastards saying it sucked
and didn't live up to the other two.
Thats the bad thing about a trilogy, if the other two are great.....scratch that awesome people grow to expect too much from the third.
I loved the other two and I thought that Revo delivered what I expected
I just wish the ending was a little different
but then again the movie is still awesome
priestjim
Why did the little boy see the agents? That means that someone who didn't believe in the Matrix was there. Or maybe a bug (like in Beyond).
JediHDM
Omega> that makes sense, cause they show the little boy playing in the rubble, then he runs up to his house, and its still standing and looks like there is nothing wrong with it...so, yeah, that seems right...also, anybody think perhaps the little boy was the first ONE? Perhaps, in the first Matrix, it lasted long enough to create the one, but it kept going downhill, so the agents were sent out to retrieve the ONE before he was even 5, and they reset the matrix that way...
burlyman
he was on fire... and then he ended up in a pod
i think it just signifies the last innocent free little boy... anime style
but possibly deeper
The Unknown
Did anyone notice that they mispelled Laurence Fishburne's name?
silver_tears
does anyone really care
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