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Dear George,

It has come to my knowledge that you have weapons of mass destruction in your possesion.
I live in Canada and I cannot wait till it is too late for you to use them.
I am giving you reasonable time to prove to me that you have ridden yourself of them.
In the opposite case I will have to declare war to you. My plush bear and myself will invade your country and remove your weapons of mass destruction, therefor making the world a safer place.

Friend.

GO Bush

yea Friend that'd be a nice idea, tho it won't ever happen

..I guess it's a good thing that Bush is there, he's the absolute wisdom on who should have weapons.

hehe, well Friend keep in mind that you can't start political discussions, but maybe trashing bush will be allowed

CANADA?

I'll let you know that in Canada we have 3 boats, and 6 helicopters - 3 of these can function too. Aha! Americans beware!

u forgot about the 7 pellet guns...

Oh, we're rollin' here... Canada is amonst the countries who could possible take over...Burlington...maybe...

well, in england we've got 2 bows and 14 arrows, oh yeah, we got a pieve of wood with a nail in it aswell

canada's military and artilery checklist:

5 mountees, 2 of which ride backwards on horses
Air Force, aka: 1 family of flying squirrels and 18 paper airplanes
3 little golf carts with funny lights on them
a slingshot
24 hockey sticks
500 gallons of maple syrup
secret ultimate weapon of mass annoyance: Tom Green

NOOOOOOOO! Tom Green is Canadian???

You have Avri Lavigne as well dont you

Curl_Up&Dye, after we have taken over America, we will also attack the u.s. since you live there and have insulted our great intelligence.

noooo!!! you can have america, but for god's sake! leave the US alone!!!

Its funny Bush just proves that a drunk "c" student can actually become Prez of the U.S. with the help of his father and his kronies!

Bush is the biggest losser around these parts!

Hell Street dogs are smarter than he is!!

F*ck IMO this whole War on terror is total BS!!

Ask Yourself Who Benefits from the World Trade Center/Pentagon Attacks?

george bush....ehhh im allergic to him

bush may be stupid, but he's still smart enough to say "destroy that"

I am in Paris by now working at the European Social Forum wich is completely againts the Usa government in economic and political mathers..just having a break at the KMC

We are all suporting the Mountees undercover mission to kidnapp George Bush..the little.

Hey quit trashin bush. It's Rumsfield trashin time. Ugly puritan looking summoma snitch

I despise Bush and am totally against his so called 'war on terror'

There is gonna be a protest of Bush's coming to England from the 19th to the 20th of november in London (and some other parts id think, although im not sure)...im gonna be attending...with my university...go rebelliousness and disorder

yeh i might be going with some friends... i was at the anti war one last feb...2million ppl!

i went to one in the city last year it was so great thats where i learned "when theres a bush and a dick in the white house everyone gets f*cked" from and i got a f*ck bush shirt also!

Nice, id like one of them ....most universities are going to London protest, then some are coming back to Brighton for a big PARTEY!!!

I was in the anti-war protest in NYC in feb ....bloody cold though.

I might be going to the one in London, but works abit hectic.

Mobs rallying against war has never worked. Maybe if we rallyed FOR war the govrn't would not go to war just to show us they can do anything...

Im gonna be going to the protests too

I think Bush is weird. But we can take over with you Friend since Tennessee has 2 squirrel dogs, 3 pellet guns, and a mob of angry hunters who just the deer meat...

http://maddox.xmission.com/tictacs.html

might see ya there...lol

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/images/moresmilies/war.gif

Yay! Protests!

DID YOU KNOW


Bush is the most protested man in modern history?

somehow im not surprised...

I've already got my W'04 bumper sticker on my van. Ready for next year's re-election! Go Bush!!!!

Yay!!!! Disarm America!!!!

There was a contest in the local paper to design the best Oregon state quarter. One of the ones they put in there was one that said: "Invade us. Rebuild our schools. We've got WMD's."

Heeheeheehee go terrorize them terrorists Bush!!!!

http://www.wildjew.com/

Are you are all pro-bush julibug?!

Definitely! When it comes to war, Bush is terrible. How we should be taking care of terrorist is the way the Israelis do it, we should be bombing Iraq so much that there will be no building left for Saddam to hide in. If Saddam is captured we need to torture him until he gives as much information as needed. Then go after every single country that is plotting terrorist action against the United Sates or our allies. If found Osama should be tortured as well, to find out all his connections. Then once the middle east is a waste land, rebuild it and bring the culture up to speed with the modern world.

Isnt that very impearilistic and barberic way of dealing with things?

"Better safe than sorry." I don't want another terrorist attack on America, or it's allies. And wasn't it "barberic" when civilian airlines are hijacked and flown into buildings?

Just remember that the US and UK are 'liberating' the Iraqis and not that they are at war with them. We were at war with Saddam...If the UK hadn't liberated France from the rule of Hitler in 1944, we would undoubtledly live in a different society today.

I don't like war. It would be great if there was never any need of it. But sometimes you can't have peace without having war first.

And, yes, I'm mostly pro-Bush. I don't agree with every little thing about him, but most of it. I'm greatly in favor of the wonderful tax cuts he gave us. Greatly in favor. And everyone thought they would hurt our economy. Pfft! The economy is growing, and those of us who got some tax relief can actually generate more movement in the economy as well!

Gee, if not Bush, just think about the awful alternative....blech!

Tell me something, why do you think the attack on America happened in the first place?!

Muslim extremist, hate our way of life, they will do anything to kill us, they hate us because we support Isreal, and they will stop at nothing until every last one of us is dead.

yeah, understand waht you're talking about..I asked if you were pro-bush before i clicked the link...duh!

You cant seriously believe that there is a 'liberation' going on...people are dying..civilians too... im afraid..its a war with iraq and its peole..no matter what bush says..

please dont tell me that you truly believe that!

Why would they hate your way of life...they live how they have decided and they like it...
America has been bombing iraq for over 12 years now...if Sadma Hussein has a 'weapons of mass distruction'' i beg you to explain to me, WHY didnt he use them in the space of 15 years of bombing and sanctions imposed by America on iraq to defend himself?

My step-brother has been serving over there as well as my husband's cousin. Some other friends of ours have been there, too. All in different areas, and they all have observed the same thing. Very minimal harm to civilians. Most people are appreciative, and friendly. They express gratitude for us "dethroning" Saddam. All these protestors would feel so differently if they lived under that type of oppression. Can you imagine not having the freedom to say what you think about your country and it's leaders. Do you realize that the statements that so many of you have made just in this thread would have meant your immediate death under Saddam's rule????

Of course there is casualties. It's war. But if there was another 9/11, and Bush didn't do anything to take care of it you would be yelling and screaming that it's all his fault, and how could he of let this happen. It is called a pre-emptive strike. Hit them before they hit us.

Julibug no one's being liberated. You can't just go into someones country bomb the **** out of it and dispose of the leader just because you don't like him, or you think he has weapons of mass destruction, or your country has some bullshit beef against Arab/muslims. If anyone in country has the capacity of independent rational thought would be against this ridiculous war.

As far as evil dictators go, Saddam is by far not the worst!

So if everyone thought like that, you could call 9/11 a pre-emptive strike against the US. Right?

The plight of the Palestinian people at the hands of their own leaders is a disgrace. The leaders are turning five-to-14-year-olds into suicide bombers. They are seeing to it that the youth, the future of the Palestinian people, is blowing itself up. You don't see this being done anywhere else in the civilized world. It's hard to construct a reason for understanding it, because there is no understanding. It doesn't make any sense and it simply cannot be defended.

Exactly. It's madness.

True...im not defending Saddam in anyway...a nut case is a nut case...

but im afraid that USA is the most impearilisitc country in the world today...freedom? UK was ment to be somewhat free, and thats all bull..look at Tony Blair ...classic case for observing....

Do you truly believe that people elected Bush inot power...?! What would happen to some group who rised against bush?

Coming from their point of view I wouldn't doubt it. But unlike them, the United States does not go to war to force religous belief.

agreed with you!!

wanna a classic example of a dictator...George W. Bush jr!

this thread is pretty long concidering it was only a joke

When the US, and Russia was converging on Berlin in Nazi Germany, Hitler had the "Hitler-Youth", all under 18 fighting in the streets, and Germany is a very civilized nation. Besides the civilized world isn't as civilized as MTV and MSNBC make it appear to be.

Can you clarify that please.

No. You couldn't. It was an "Islamic Jihad". They were suicide terrorists. They believe that the US is the devil, and that they will have great rewards in the after life for any destruction that they can bring against us. The terrorist movement had grown to a level that the US was not aware of (thanks Mr. Clinton for cutting back on foreign informants, military, etc.). If Bush hadn't begun the war on terror, we would have continued to be attacked. And who knows who else. I'm sure it wouldn't stop with the US, although we are the prime target for now.

Yes, he was elected. The people have the very opportunity to rise against him next November in the election.

You think this is about religion? This is about money and politics, or as my Aunt says it it's a dick measuring contest

Julibug, do you ever wander why is it that its only the USA thats going into 'action'' all over the place...even when United nations said that US are not to go into iraq they did..not France, not GErmany not any other country is up for this..and is majorly against it...well the people are...

Why doesnt Bush sit at home and sort out problems in the USA....i do criminology at university so i get to learn about crime in america as well...

Yeah right we have the choice of the right wing (democrats), who by the way has no contenders, and the EXTREME RIGHT wing BUSH n'Co.

Yes it's about religion. It goes all the way back to Isaac and Ishmael.

We were the ones who suffered the attack. Of course the other countries were hesitant. They hadn't been attacked yet, and were probably afraid they would be.

What does all that in the middle east have to od with AMerica...which is half way arround the world?! Could it be money? Could it be oil? hmmmm.....

Right-wing democrats????

Say do you know how the US interrogates foreign informants?

Juilbug and MAdKow

But you suffered no attack years and years back have you?! Why was USA sanctioning and bombing Iraq for the past 15 years...?!

Do you honestly believe that Osama Bin Laden woke up one mornign and said :'' YOu know what, i think i'll star a war on america today?''

America MADE taliban...(damn, my history is coming usefull) Who gave wapons to the Afgainis when they were fighting Russians?! US did..USA made people like Osamam Bin Laden..

And what does Osama have to do with Saddam?!

France didn't want to go to war with Iraq because they had their hand in the cookie jar. France was getting money from Saddam, and they didn't want to lose it.

This doesn't completely answer your question, but it's interesting.

http://teacher.scholastic.com/upfront/issue/articles/6albright.html

i dont know wheather i should laugh or cry at that comment! France got money from Saddam....

Yeah exactly what I said.

First there was evidence that saddam was helping finance al queda.
Also, If my history serves me well, we always viewed it as we were defending the world against the soviet threat, which no one objected to that

It's true. Russia too. And it just goes to show you no country including the "true red white blue" "proud to be free" "Our colors never run" USA has it's hand in the dung pile just like everyother nation.

So..you say that USA gave money to fight the soviets....US made TAliban..so...what does that say...
you used those people to fight Russia and then....erm...fight them too..

Well if he didn't finance Al Queada why are we over in Iraq, and not Saudi Arabia who DID finance al quaeda?

http://www.accuracy.org/press_releases/PR031103.htm



No. I believe he had been planning it for along time.

And no one answered me what does Sadam and Osama have to do with each other?!

Re-read above.
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At the time the soviets were the bigger threat.

I have to go. I would love to continue this cheery discussion, but I've gotta go check on my mom.

What do Saddam and Osama have to do with each other? Well, they are both threats to the free world.

Really, I have to go. Feel free to pm or e-mail if you want. G'night.

I think you missed the point of my question..yeah, its known and obvious that its been planning for ages..but my question to you all was why?!

Why did he attack America? Why not Germany? Why not England? Why not some other random country?

bye

Federal appellate Judge Gilbert Merritt, who is currently in Iraq, said an Iraqi lawyer brought him documents that included the name of an Iraqi officer in that country's embassy in Pakistan who was described as "responsible for the coordination of activities with the Osama bin Laden group."

Communications director of the Institute for Public Accuracy -- and author of the recent article "Follow the Policy: Why So Long for Iraq to Comply?" -- Husseini said today: "Taking a clear-eyed look at U.S. policy not only explains why Iraq has taken this long to comply, it raises extremely troubling questions about the actual -- as opposed to stated -- goals of U.S. foreign policy through three administrations."


Dude...

And bush when he was with the CIA helped Noreaga become "president" of Panama

Saddams' willingness to help bin laden plot against americans began in the 1990s, shortly before the first gulf war, and sontinued through last march, the eve of the US led invasion of Iraq.

America is an idealistic and pragmatic nation. Whether it was the battle to dislodge the savage Nazi chokehold on continental Europe, to avenge the unprovoked Japanese rape of East Asia and attack on Pearl Harbor, or to push back the ever-expanding icy hand of Soviet totalitarianism, Americans have always responded with enthusiasm and determination to their leaders' calls to action in the name of freedom and international justice. As far as Iraq is concerned, nothing has really changed in that department. The original war against Saddam was a just one, and the majority of Americans responded positively to the Bush administration's initiative to overthrow the menace of Saddam Hussein's murderous dictatorship. Similarly, the American intent in post-Saddam Iraq is also just. And when it comes to the basic goal of bringing some version of political democracy, freedom and the promise of a better life to the Iraqi people, Americans have expressed similar support.

Muslims do not believe that the US is the devil and they do not believe that by killing innocent people will they be greatly rewarded in the after life thats just a load of BS.
I have many Muslim friends and none of them would go blow them selves up along with loads of civilians for some 'great reward' whatever.
Also commiting suicide is totally against there religion, i aint no expert but from what Ive been told and heard from Muslims I know that any Muslim who does commit sucide dont get reward for it theres supposed to be a great punishment or some thing for suicide and the killing of any person is totally forbidden. This has NOTHING to do with religion.

Bush aint trying to get rid of terrorists his just trying to get his hands on oil. If he was truly trying to fight terror why dosent he do something about the Isreal/Palestine situation?
You are saying that its the goverments fault that the kids are becoming suicide bombers but when there being bombed for no reason by the army of Isreal what do you expect them to do? Stand there and take it? When ever you see them a pic or something of the conflict theres always a tank containing troops from Isreal or soldiers with AK's etc against some young boy with a few stones... Wheres the justice in that?

Oh god I have my work cut out for me.
If there's one thing I hate it's when people try to portray america as the righteous god sanctioned Sword of Gideon. Especially when they make everyone else look like spawn of satan. BUT ESPECIALLY when it's done in the most trite bromidic poetic manner

I'd hate to say it man but recall all those japanese and German doctors performed the hideous experiments during the war? Why do you think they were never put on trial? Where do you think they went after the war? Back to their homes in Mannheim, or Iwaki? You think they were given their just due (jail? Death?)

Bush has them? No no no, you are mistaken. Those nukes? They're mine!

http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/contrib/ut1/redeemerwhore.gif

Ahh Rex always the comic relief. Unfortunately I didn't get what you were trying to say in your post, but that smilie sure is funny

The soviets captured them.

Glad to be of service.

Friend44 was saying that Bush has nuclear weapons of mass destruction. I was telling him that Bush didn't, I did.

The thing is though, Bush didn't use the weapons of mass destruction on his own people. Also Bush didn't bury innocent Americans in mass graves.

Indeed, it's inhuman. Saddam was a monster that needed to be locked away, whether in a USA prison, a British prison, or the nice burning rot-your-brains-out heated prison cells in Hell...

some they did. I think they even publicly executed one, but in any case

25 were tried and convicted others, I don't know how many were granted immmunity under the Tokyo International Tribunal in exchange for their research.

Why waste a good scientific mind. Have them work for you but keep an eye on them. Many of the scientist were forced by Hitler and Hirohito to perform horrific acts.

Oh gee! It's getting quite late. I didn't realize the time. I'm tired! What time zone you in GABRIEL05?

dude uncle! I surcease. Im'a go talk politics with my beret wearing socialists friends at an small cafe while sipping maithai's. I'll be back later.

Well, I'll go catch some Zzz's catch you around the forum.

Then I'll sit here and play with my nuclear weapons all by myself...

Did you know there is a city in California where you get a $500 for activate a weapon of mass destruction inside city limits?

IN CALIFORNIA!!! Man i hop thats not my city

probably southern california. The worst place in the continental US. Other than the whole I-90 corridor, except for Yreka...

What's wrong with Southern California? That's where I live, and I love it! Nice and sunny most of the time!

Whoa, I just looked out my window and saw a plush bear walk by holding a nuclear war head!

Okay, here's the deal with that site.

1. They are talking about how the protestors are hypocrites because they are "attacking police, looting property, etc." That is a HUGE generalization. Here in good ol' Eugene, Oregon, there are a LOT of protestors. There was not a SINGLE violent protest here or anywhere else in Oregon.

2. They also say that Saddam had WMD's. Well, we get in there and take the place over, and WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY?!!! FACE IT BUSH THEY'RE NOT THERE!!!!!!

3. They say that Saddam killed thousands of Iraqi civillians, which is true. But saying that he attacked "his own people" is not true, since he is a Sunni muslim, and the people he attacked were Kurds and Shi'ite muslims. Prior to WWI, the three races were controlled by the Ottoman empire, and there were no problems at all. It was a firm leadership that was tollerant of all races. But then the Brits and the allied nations went in there and destroyed the Ottoman empire, and combined the Kurdish, Sunni, and Shi'ite territory into one country ( before they were three seperate territories, or "millets". All of a sudden, they started killing each other. Big surprise. There has been a problem ever since. The only way to make Iraq a succesful, peaceful country is to divide it up into three seperate ones. Not by trying to force the Iraqi people into accepting a system of government they may not want.

4. They also mention something about Saddam lying. It is getting late, and I'm tired, so of course I have forgotten what it was he lied about. Anyways, guess what. BUSH LIES ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!! I'm not comparing them, but it's true.

5. They also ask "why didn't they attack earlier?" WELL, I DUNNO!!! THAT's A DAMN GOOD QUESTION!!!! Why didn't Bush Sr. get rid of Saddam while he had the chance?!!!

That's f***ed up!

Note to self: stay away from San Jose...

Check this out. I shot a press conference today for the news in Monterey County, California with Colin Powell's right hand man. He said that 20,000 innocent people die each year from left over land mines. the us is supporting a huge clean up.

People supporting Bush, dont forget his excuse to go to war was not to liberate the people (but that seems what people have changed it into)....so where are these weapons of mass destruction?

Ok, so based on his real reason 'weapons of mass destruction'..... erm North Korea (and theirs arn't invisable btw)....oh yeah and their people are hell of alot worse off that Iraqs people are/were! ....could it because North Korea has no *cough* oil *cough*

I expected this thread to be closed like all the others I made. You are all upsetting my plans. I will have to consult my shrink an extra time - expect a bill.

and why does bush think that he needs to go into iraq to "help" them set up a new country? did some random country help the US after the revolutionary war? where is he getting his ideas from? iraq needs to set up itself because if bush does it for them, then when he takes US troops out, iraq will have no clue what to do. they need to learn themselves.

Meh. In Australia, we have two kangaroo jokeys, (One is 5 years old) and a koala cannon!

Now that the damage has been done it is important to rebuild Iraq. It is important to do so, because, after World War I, and the defeat of the Germans, no one stayed behind to help them rebuild, which of course gave way to Hitler's dictatorship. Because the people of Germany had no one to cling to for support they turned to anyone who gave them something, although it was fallatious. And after the American Revolution we recieved aid from France, mainly due to hatred for the British.

Don't tell no one I can talk sense. I have a reputation to uphold.

I think, in my very humble and clouded mind that ol'Georgie has simply bit more than he could chew. It not even if what he did was right or wrong (which is also debatable) but, no one can simply correct everything in the world. All evil comes from the mind and no calibre gun can control a mind. These people have a way of life, even if it's not the way we'd choose, they are who they are.

George, a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Until no one hates americans in Iraq, you will not be able to leave. If you do leave you will go down in history as a conqueror who put the country in ruins.

Al Gore, I always knew you were the one. You have the better wig.

WTF!!!! How can you possibly be in favor of that crap?!!! IT HAS HURT OUR ECONOMY!!!! CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE BIGGEST DEFICIT IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES AND YET YOU SAY THAT IT HAS NOT HURT OUR ECONOMY?!!! ARE YOU ENTIRELY ISOLATED FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD?!! Also, unless you're the rich type that make up a VERY small part of the country, YOU DID NOT BENEFIT VERY MUCH AT ALL FROM THE TAX CUTS!!!! The Bush administration claims that their tax cuts are designed to target "average income" families. Actually, this is true. However, the "average" is not accurate, since when they are figuring out the average, they include everyone. Although there are very few rich people, they earn so much money that when their incomes are included in the "average," they entirely throw it off. So, the average is not accurate. They should be using either the median or the mode. Either one would be more accurate. Anyways, the bottom 60 percent of the country saves around $256. WOOHOOOO!!!! LET'S ALL GO OUT AND BUY NEW TV'S!!!!!! If you make 21,000 a year, you get less than $5. WHAT, IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE A JOKE?!! THAT's RIDICULOUS!!!

Lemme ask you something Julibug. Have you ever read the Koran? Didn't think so. These guys are NOT following what the Koran teaches, which is PEACE. This does not go all the way back to Isaac and Ishmael.

Oh and one more thing the protestors against the war do not hate the troops they hate Bush

I wish he had!

That comment was more directed at the Palestinian and Israeli conflict which does have connections to the attacks on the U.S., etc.
The Israelis are descendents of Isaac, and the Palestinians are descendents of Ishmael. They have been at war for thousands of years.

yeah I actually feel bad for the troops. They are fighting under the worst conditions. Did you know that soldiers have less priority than highly classified documents in the military. Meaning if you (a G.I.) and some classified documents were drowning in the middle of the Pacific the papers would get rescued first.

You left out the creation of the state of Israel, the annexation of the West Bank. Years of Palistinians being displaced, kicked out of their homelands because they said it was someone else's originally, and we have a book to back it up? WOuld you leave your home if someone kicked you out of your house and gave it to a native american because it was their ancestral home.

Interesting point. It is horrendous what atrocities were done to the native peoples of this continent. I deeply regret that part of our nation's history. As far as the Palestinian/Israeli situation - I think there should be some way for them all to occupy that area. The main disagreement they have is the one area they both consider to be sacred. I don't have any easy answers for that situation. As to the US giving up homes for Native Americans - well, I really can't see anything like that ever happening. I think it's an interesting point, and I'm not sure how most people would react if it did happen.

Another point on taxes. Apparently taxation does not necessarily help the national debt....

Information on Tax Reform
Ever wonder where your money goes?

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Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
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COMMENTS: None of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had virtually no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. How many of these have gone up in just the last couple years where you live?

What do you think changed?

And yet, the national debt is soaring.

Oh, another point to add - I am part Cherokee and part Choctaw. My mother's side of the family are all Native American. Again, this would create an interesting situation if it ever happened. I guess part of me could stay, and part of me would have to leave.

I'm pretty sure snowflakes would fall in Detroit, pigs would fly and there would be alot of dead bodies stepped over...

Paper floats.

So true!

Oh yes of course DAMN my whole point is moot damn!! Shite Fuggidyfudgepack. All those words wasted!

Well I would have used my burning building example, but papers don't burn.


water logged papers sink

Joseph Mengele died in Argentina being perused by the famous Nazi hunter Simon Weisenthal. P.S. So, no they didn't go back home. Cause unless he was Argentinian he wasn't home.

Geez man UNCLE UNCLE UNCLE!!!!



My self righteous tyrade is over

Well I enjoyed the conversation.

for now...until

He was just one of thousands that committed those atrocities in the war. Most others went home and lived out their lives untouched, especally in Japan

Most of them commited suicide. But they did have war crimes trial in Japan.

Some came to the US and offered the info from their experiments to the Gov in exchange for immunity. Also after the war they were having Geman officers help train police.

All of Mengele's research was destoryed because it was inhumane. But he did try to negotiate with his work. It's important to check your facts before you make untrue statements.

Julibug, notice that the national debt came into being under Bush, after he made those tax cuts. Even though the tax cuts helped some, (and i do mean some not most) they have destroyed our government. Here in Oregon we have the highest unemployment rate in the country, our schools are doing very poorly compared to what they were under the Clinton administration, and GUESS WHY? TAX CUTS!! Where else does the government get its money? From a magic crock of gold at the end of the rainbow? And also, regarding your comment about listening to the liberal anti-Bush people--I AM one of those liberal anti-Bush people.

As for the Israel situation, here's my opinion. When Clinton was president, the problem was THIS CLOSE *holds up hands half an inch from each other* from being solved. If he had stayed president for even a month longer we would no longer have this problem. And WHY you ask? Because he took the time to talk to both sides and see how they felt, then worked out a plan that would be mutually benificial. Arafat and Sharon were on good terms, as were the Jews and Palestinians. But then Bush gets into office and it's just a big mess again. He talked ONLY to the Israelis and put up a WALL to separate the two. Sound familiar? To me it sounds like Berlin. Also, he didn't talk to the Palestinians and make sure they agreed to his plan. AND NOW HE IS MAD BECAUSE THEY ARE "NOT LIVING UP TO THEIR END OF THE AGREEMENT?" They never said they were going to.
The very idea of establishing a "Jewish homeland" where the Muslims have now been living for thousands of years is absurd. I too am part native american. (Ojibwe, to be exact) I recognise that it was a terrible thing the "new americans" did to them, forcing them out of their homeland. But I also know that it would be terrible to force all of the modern americans out to give the land back to the indians. It would never work. And that's what they are trying to do in Israel.

Always Ask Yourself Who Benefits?

That's always the first question to consider when a "terrorist" attack occurs. Instead of clenching one's fist, waving one's flag and shouting vindictive slogans, let's just stop for a moment of calm analysis of the basic facts. When we analyze who benefits, we immediately will know with over 99% surety, who did it!

What was the tone of U.S. and world opinion just a week or two before the attacks?

In the U.S., the economy was lagging badly, the stock market was falling, many were questioning if the government's taxes were legal, the Gary Condit case had been poorly handled, people continued to question Waco and the Oklahoma City bombing, they questioned our support of Israel in her policies regarding the Palestinians, and the approval rate of President Bush was low.

What about World Opinion? Just 8 days before the WTC/Pentagon attacks, Israel was stunned by a UN decision equating Zionism with Racism, according to Ha'aretz Daily.com.

Israel was branded a "racist apartheid" state by thousands of non-governmental organizations (NGOs) attending a U.N. World Conference Against Racism in Durban, South Africa. The conference was attended by representatives of 153 governments.

The declaration, adopted by 3,000 NGOs in 44 regional and interest-based caucuses, shocked Jewish groups.

Foreign Minister Shimon Peres called the anti-Israel declarations a disgrace, and said that Israel was "seriously" contemplating withdrawing from the conference in protest. The Israeli delegation to the conference blasted the language of the NGO declaration as an incitement to hatred of Jews.

Jewish delegates walked out. The U.S. delegates followed.

The Forum accused the Jewish state of "systematic perpetration of racist crimes including war crimes, acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing" in its treatment of the Palestinians.

In addition, the head of the Danish Red Cross, Freddy Karup Pederson, told the Danish Parliamentary Foreign Affairs Committee that the lifestyle of Jewish settlers in the Palestinian territories resembles that of whites under the former racist apartheid system. He also criticized Israel's collective punishment of the Palestinian population.

There is NO doubt that Israel is a racist state. Its own human-rights advocates call it that. The laws of the state of Israel allow a Jew anywhere in the world to become a citizen of Israel, but a Palestinian driven out of his own country, deprived of his home and all his possessions in 1948, cannot return. There are certain neighborhoods in Israel where a Palestinian cannot be issued a building permit, nor have the opportunity to buy or rent a home.

Wouldn't the ACLU scream racism if those laws were applied to the Jews - or to the Blacks - in this country.

The U.S. Was Set to Support Palestinian Statehood!

The Bush administration planned to promote and support the recognition of a Palestinian state in a speech to be given by Secretary Colin L. Powell, "but the plan was derailed by the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon," according on the Washington Post, Oct 2, 2001. Powell had planned to discuss the initiative with Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi ambassador to the United States on Sept. 13!

Even AFTER the attack, on Oct.2, President Bush announced that creating a Palestinian state has "always" been part of the U.S. vision for peace in the Middle East. (WorldNetDaily, Oct. 2, 2001) This infuriated Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon who warned (threatened) that this could "backfire" on the U.S. and would possibly be counter-productive in the long run. Sharon then "compared the US coalition-building in the Arab world to British appeasement of the Nazis in the 1930s," which made President Bush "furious." (Jerusalem - Reuters Oct 5, and The Guardian, Oct 6)

So you can see that there is real tension between U.S. President Bush, whose family has been in the oil business with Osama bin Laden and bin Laden's family, (American Freedom News 10-3-01) and the Israeli government of Ariel Sharon.The Mossad, the Israeli spy agency equivalent of our CIA, has infiltrated the U.S. CIA, and for all intents and purposes, runs our CIA from behind the scenes, as former President John Kennedy found out when he attempted to dis-assemble the CIA in 1963 because of insubordination by the Israeli double agents working inside that organization.

To put it bluntly, Kennedy's head was blown off on television for the whole world to see, as a warning to any future president who might even think about resisting the aims of Israel.

Other reasons Kennedy was shot are: 1) He had signed a bill to print U.S.Treasury bills (as the Constitution requires) rather than Federal Reserve notes (what we are using now) which would have eliminated the Federal Reserve Banking system, a Central bank which is necessary for Israel to control the U.S. money supply. Look who owns and runs the Federal Reserve Banking system - Alan Greenspan and the other Wall Street Bankers whose allegiance is to Israel and a One World Government instead of an allegiance to America. (A Central Bank is one of the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto)

By the way, the Federal Reserve Bank is NOT Federally owned. It is named "Federal" to deliberately mislead you. The Federal Reserve Bank is PRIVATELY owned, it has NO "Reserves", and it is unconstitutional and therefore illegal. It is solely responsible for our "National Debt" which is fraudulent and criminal!

2) Kennedy had also signed an order to get the U.S. out of Vietnam. This angered the same group of bankers who make money off of wars by one group funding one side of the war, and another group funding the other side of the war - so they ALL make money. Besides, the war was demoralizing our country which greatly pleased these bankers, whose allegiance is NOT to America, but to International Jewry - and the ushering in of a One World Government.

3) Bobby Kennedy, the U.S. Attorney General and the President's brother, was imprisoning and deporting high level members of the Mafia, which was (and is) run NOT by the Italians, but by the Jews. At that time, Meyer Lansky was the Mob leader, and remember the movie about "Bugsy Siegel"? The name Siegel is NOT Italian.

Those are just a few of the motives for assassinating President Kennedy. For more information on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, read the book Final Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy, by Michael Collins Piper, published by Wolfe Press, Washington D.C. ISBN: 0-935036-47-4. Information on this book may be available by calling American Free Press at 202-544-5977.

There is also in-fighting within the the Israeli government itself. Evil ALWAYS causes dissension and unrest. "Israel's foreign minister, Shimon Peres, is accusing senior army officers of plotting to kill the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat." The extraordinary accusation is contained in an interview published in Yediot Ahronoth, a leading Israeli daily. Peres had worked out a cease-fire with Arafat but the "army began a mud-slinging campaign to undermine him." Mr. Arafat, during a visit to Egypt, said an agreement he reached with Mr. Peres last week, reaffirming a previous ceasefire, was being intentionally undermined by Israeli political and military officials." (The Telegraph Oct 2, 2001)

Israeli Foreign Minister Peres purportedly wants to make peace with the Palestinians while Prime Minister Sharon allows his military to undermine all of Peres' efforts.

"Middle East Truce in Tatters - Israeli Armed Forces Kill Six Palestinians in Retaliation," screamed the Jerusalem headlines (Reuters - Oct 4, 2001). The next day, on Oct 5, Israeli tanks and forces raided a Palestinian area of the West Bank city of Hebron, capturing positions and killing at least five Palestinians. (Reuters - Oct. 5, 2001)

So, just 8 days before the attacks, the overwhelming attitude of the nations of the world was against Israel's policies and in support of the Arab countries' charges against Israel, a nation heavily supported by, and allied with, the U.S.

I also feel bad for the troops. It's not their fault that they got sent off to Iraq. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them are against the war.

So Urot what is all that supposed to mean I don't get it

Oh and checkout some of these sites. Some are meant to be funny, but most are serious.

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/
http://www.infowars.com/
http://reese.king-online.com/Reese_20020626/index.php
http://www.informationtimes.com/
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/liar.htm
http://www.indymedia.org/
http://www.guerrillanews.com/
http://www.disinfo.com/site/
http://www.democracymeansyou.com/

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm
http://www.iacenter.org/usplan.htm
http://www.rense.com/general30/cart.htm
http://www.adl.org/durban/draft.asp
http://www.allianceforlifelonglearning.org/er/lg/IsraelPalestine2K2.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/crisis_in_the_gulf/road_to_the_brink/29099.stm
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RAY209A.html
http://www.adl.org/durban/durban_ngo.asp
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/isr-s06.shtml

Enjoy.

Urot, is there a reader's digest condensed version of your post?

Yes.

BUSH IS A IDIOT!

*** Sorry guys for my long winded babbling. ***

Just checkout the above links.