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As a part of my "let's try to stir up trouble threads"...I've been wondering ....Do you believe in sin?

Do you believe that everyone is a sinner?

Depends on what you believe in.

I'm sensing a pattern here.....I ask a troublemaking question....and you give me a safe answer

Well, I try not to be a 'boat-rocker'.

That's cool...I respect that......"boat rocking" can be dangerous.

If a person doesn't beleive in God, then why should he/she beleive they are living in Sin?

Nobody's perfect, and everyone makes mistakes.

Wait, why are you asking this. Julie, did you kill someone?

No ( to the killing ques), yes (to the nobody's perfect statement), yes ( to everybody makes mistakes)....and that's a darn good question( to why should people believe in sin if they don't believe in God)

I don't know if I can answer that. All I can say is that the evidences of sin are there...ie. terrorists....lying.... both lead to pain.

If one does not believe in God, then why should they strive to be "good"....I think I'd better stop right here.....

There's a three hour specail on the life of Jesus Christ on the Discovery Channel right now.

Thanks....but usually those specials get things wrong or over dramatize things so they turn out stupid....I may be a bit cynical here

I can't stand commercial breaks. I don't really care for TV. You start to get into a show, then suddenly you get interupted by stupid, 30 second mini-shows.

True...but the simpson's is only a 1/2 hour so the commercial breaks are tolerable.

Yeah, I make it work for that show

It's amazing how much patience one can have when they know they're watching the Simpsons

yup

gee I wonder if some people think the simpsons are sinful???.....probably, people will believe in almost anything.

Some prob even think Star Wars is wrong....and we both know that's just preposterous

heh heh, on this site, I don't think you're going to find anyone who says that Star Wars is bad.

Good point. I'd be forced to do something rash like knock some sense into the fool w/ the blunt end of a lightsaber.

Use the light end of the lightsabre.

That would be cruel. ...ya gotta watch out for the light.

"Strike them down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards the darkside will be complete"

NOOOOOOOOOOOO....must .....resist the dark ...side....
*Let go of you hate , father.....I can feel to good in you...the conflict.*

"There is no conflict"

"Hey, what are you trying to push on us?"

"Uncle queeq, what about that one?"

"Sometimes I don't understand human behaviour."

This gives me an idea for a thread.

*slaps forehead*

Oh nooooo....

ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!

Did I hear a lama fart or was that To laughing again?

The only reason you think a fart was in the air was because you smelled your own breath

Ooohh.... that one wasn't even close to being funny.

Only because you know how sad it is that you stink.

How old were you again? 12?

THAT old???
djee, are all 12 year old from America that stupid?
well ... there goes their reputation...

What reputation?

that 12 years old still have a bit of intelligence

You call that a rep?

I didn't want to be hard on him...

Very nice of you. But sometimes you've got to tell people the truth.

I was hoping someone already told him

I hope so too.

lets not break his bubble...

Isn't SIN a term with inherrant religious overtones?

I believe in right and wrong but Sin is more than that and, without religious beliefs, I can't see a way to believe in it.

I'm not big on sin myself..

Commiting it or believing in it?

Sin can exist so long as you have an objective system of morals.

If you beleive that right or wrong is just a matter of opinion, then sin is a redundant concept.

Nearly all religions have objective morals, of course, while virtually everyone I know seems to think that right or wrong is just down to opinion, so sin seems to be a dying concept.

I like to think that morals can be objective, though.

I suppose so, I always considered Sin to be a religious concept rather than just a moralistic one.

It is all very subjective though, each person has their own moral standard, and even that cna change as a person grows.

It's the subjectivity that's the problem usually.

But then that is true of so much in out lives.

True, but an objective system works better IMHO. Not ideal but better. It's also restricitve and we don;t seem to want ANY restrictions these days. They call that freedom I guess.

It might work better..if people weren't stupid...but we are so it doesn't.

ow...
guess it won't work: I'm stupid

There's always a bigger sin.

yeah! me!

Its fun to be the bad one.

Too bad yerss isn't it.

nah innocent waffle god.

god?

People have no faith anymore

Thats why we are in the last days of the last days!!!

God's had a gut-full of our patter and he is gonna come and lay waste!!!

I don't know whether I believe this, but thats the point innit?

Not really, no. That's what He did when he brought the Flood actually. And then He swore never to destroy human life like that again.

I haven't seen that one...

Seen? Well, neither did I.

I was on Hawaii in space remember!

Yerssot - spaced out forever.

Well since God isn't going to flood the earth again, I figure He will cover us all in caramel and eat us like a big bonbon.

I better start nibbling on you then for a bit before He eats it all.

Hehehe. And here I never knew you liked caramel bonbons.

queeq is a vacuum cleaner when it comes to sweets

Sweets? Yeah, that's my Gundy.

I believe we're almost to the part where finti starts barfing.

Yuck......try to make it to the rest room finti!

He has extraordinary barf bags, Julie.