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So what would happen if Darth Vader had a duel with Yoda? Obviously, they're both really good, but who would win? especially if Vader did what he did in ep. 5 with the flinging of stuff at Luke. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/starwars.gif

I reckon it would be an amazing duel to watch. And I love that duel in Empire...brilliant.

why didn't he ever do that again? it seemed to work pretty well. then poor little Yoda would have to try and fly through bits of metal to get to him.

I thought Yoda did well dodging Dooku's attacks.

that was Doku though. he's got NOTHING on Vader.

well the Vader in the old movies, is pretty slow, I don't think that yoda would have a problem striking him down, just look at how fast he is against Doku, and look how slow vader is agains everyone he fights,
GO YODA!!!

True.

YODA!! GO YODA!!

Actually my Dad made me laugh when we were watching Clones last. Yoda was coming around the corner, you know which part yeah?? Anyways, my Dad put on this Yoda voice and goes: "Kick your ass I will." It was SO funny!!

Since when is Vader slow??? there is a reason why he was able to drive the Jedi to the brink of extinction.

he is slow if you compare him to Anakin of EpII or Ob1 from EpI, that's because he aged and is more machine

you can't compare ANYTHING to that pathetic excuse for a jedi, Anakin. his performance wasn't exactly astounding.

I think Yoda would win because he has more knowledge of the force but then again so would Vador as his training was finished by palpatine. But deffinatly Yoda

and Yoda was a Jedi Master. Vader wasn't. forgot about that.......and the dark side isn't stronger, it only seems that way in your mind.

Yoda would win, but it would still be a spectacular duel.

In the Infinities comic of Empire, Yoda seriously messes with Vader's mind, rather than taking out his lightsaber and killing him! Then Vader just lops off his arm and kicks him though...

uhhh.......... right.

The dark side is stronger, thats why people go over to the dark side to gain more power, "becasue thats all bad guy want"

And who's saying vader was slow in 4,5,6, maybe that is becasue he as no need to move any faster, it was not like he could not move any faster he was mearly playing with luke most of the time not trying to kill him, he wanted to convert him to the dark side not kill him, there was plenty more speed left in the old bloke, why run when walk will do?

I have this awful image of Vader pulling his own arm off and beating Yoda to death with it!!!

vader isn't trying in the OT, he has no desire to kill luke. Also, Yoda and Vader fought in ESB-Infinities. Vader won.

Luke is one thing. Yoda is quite another. i doubt Vader had any emotional attachments to him like he did with Luke.

Darth vaders fight scenes on screen were nowhere near as fast or skillful as yodas fight scenes in episode 2

it only seems that way because Vader didn't fly through the air.

Vaders fights are still slower than, say, darth mauls fights (and most lightsaber fights of the prequals)

Darth Maul was more than likely younger than Vader, and he wasn't wearing a giant suit either. at any rate, Vader was a much more powerful sith than Maul, since he was able to exterminate almost the entire Jedi race.

What would happen if the 2nd generation of clone troopers (that became the stormtroopers), were clones of anakin, instead of Jango?

they'd look better?

Would they have force powers?

I dont want to think about a duel like that.

i would certainly hope not. i don't think Jedi powers are entirely genetic, anyway.

darth vs. yoda hum... i think darth wins.. he´s more powerful than yoda... episode I says that.....but yoda has the force......

and so does Vader. DUH.

I'd be pissed if any of the two lost...never want to see that duel

i'm not saying it would actually HAPPEN, just wondering what would happen if it did. it'd be an awsome duel either way.

according to the episode I DVD commentary, Vader was slow because his bionics hindered him. also, obi-wan was slow and out of practice, and Vader never meant to kill Luke.
Vader would win in the end because of his power in the force. According to current rumors, episode III will showcase Vader's true powers.

yeah. what he said.

Yoda would get his ass handed to him. Think about it. The main reason the Vader fights are slow is because we didn't have CGI back then. Vader has enough power over the force to compensate for his mechanical body. He would destroy Yoda, I mean Yoda even knew this, which is why he left. He couldn't defeat either Sidious or Vader.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lucas used CGI to redo that fight. Bot Obi-Wan and Vader deserve more credit. Look at Dooku, he's 80+ and he's doing flips in battle. Vader could as well.

Vader's too cool for flips. EVil cool guys don't do flips. only the cool good guys

Uh he has, in the second Movie.
I would Bet on Vader though, He is just so much stronger than Yoda in a true lightsaber Clash, but if It came to battle of Force power, youda would own. Vader couldn't throw crap at Yoda, It would come flying back at him.

maybe. Yoda had some issues with Duku tossing that pillar in Ep.2

But Yoda had no problem absorbing Duku's lightning and shooting it back at him, that was cool. I think in the OT Yoda is too old to do his old acrobatics against Vader.

how come vader never uses force lightning?? is there an explanation for this??

maybe because both arms are mechanical??

or because Vader wasn't completely evil

I get slightly weary of people saying "Vader is slow".

How is Vader slow? He had no REASON to move any faster.

He was so good at what he did, he easily beat Obi-Wan and Luke. He was actually toying with them.

You also can't count Vader getting whooped by Luke at the end of Jedi either, because who's to say Vader wasn't LETTING him lash out - that's what he wanted after all. Vader wanted Luke to thrash him, it was his plan all along.

It's safe to say Vader was holding back against Luke.

Yoda and Dooku were almost at a standoff, and it's safe to say Vader is better than Dooku, being younger and probably a lot stronger.

People say "he's getting older and is part machine". I was always under the impression Vader would be even BETTER being part man part droid, he would be stronger, and more durable. Since when does being mechanical mean they are slow? If anything, with Vader being a robotics expert himself, he's be constructed from the fastest robotics there are. General Grievous will prove just how a Vader-esque being can move.

When Vader was getting frustrated towards Luke (just before he cuts off his hand) in Empire, he's moving very fast, and very intense.

Seeing as Vader is very gifted in force strength and also has mechnical strength, any lightsaber clashes would result in him winning. Yoda would constantly be on his toes. Even if Yoda lands the odd blow, Vader would be unfazed anyway.

I could see Yoda doing a runner from Vader.

possibly. Vader may have been holding back sometimes, but he was still willing to destroy Luke and would have givent he chance. Vader said himself that Luke's hatred could destoy him and when Luke goes beserk in Return of the Jedi he was releaseing all his anger

Yeah, and Vader was still holding back. Vader knew when Luke went to kill the Emperor, that they were getting to him, their plan was working - why the hell would Vader start to annihilate him now?

Vader let Luke open up the whoop-ass on him.

The anger within Vader - as opposed to the very cold and calmer Count Dooku - would definitely give Yoda a run for his money.

The hate and anger within Vader is probably only next to the Emperor.

This kinda begs the question - who is the more full of hate and anger (not necessarily the most evil) - Vader or The Emperor. I'd go with Vader. The Emperor has had everything fall into place so nicely, wheras Anakin/Vader feels like he's been dumped on most of his life.

The emperor didn't have any good in him. Vader did. that was the reason, if any, he had for holding back, if indeed he did. however, he really didn't hold back against Obi-Wan. probably due to some resentment he had for him. and Vader's very cold and calm

Nonsense, Vader in the suit was slow and crippled. Lucas even said that when Vader had his lava pit bath, he lost most of his powers.

Yoda would wax the floor with the OT Vader's ass. Vader would get sliced and diced into a million pieces before he could even THINK about taking out his lightsaber.

Whoa, Vader may have lost most of his powers, but you have to realize at what a level he was at in the end of Episode 3. he was the Jesus who turned evil. Considering the darkside was already way more powerful, and how much power could flow through him (due to his high midichlorian count) Before the injuries you could argue he is more powerful than Sidious.
After, he is 20% less powerful than Sidious. Lucas said that already. Considering his body his more durable, the special armor he has, (it did block Luke's saber in ESB) and the fact that the darkside is stronger, Darth Vader would kill Yoda.
I hate to say it man, but it's true.
Not to mention Vader is at the same level of lightsaber skill as Yoda. (according to Nick Gillard) The Dark Lord just wins.

Honestly, what on EARTH makes so many people think the OT Darth Vader is SOOOOOO freakin powerful?????!!!! All he does is choke, choke, choke, and torture people weaker than he is!!! He faces of against Obi-Wan, someone who hasn’t really done much from ROTS to ANH. He didn't even win that fight, Obi-Wan gave in. In ESB, he faces of against Luke, someone who had a few hours of training, and luke even lands a blow on vader’s shoulder! Well, at least vader won this one without the other person giving up. Well guess what! In ROTJ, he gets his ass handed to him by that same UNTRAINED PADAWAN!!!!!! I doubt Vader didn't try, because why the hell was Vader breathing like he ran a marathon after the fight, not even Luke seemed to be that tired. Besides, while Luke was jabbing his ass of at Vader, Vader could barely even MOVE!!! He was completely owned by Luke!!!

And my FINAL POINT, he can't seem to think for himself. He lets his emotions get the better of him, and doesn’t even know what is best for him until someone tells him!!!! People simply told the guy what to do. He first takes orders from the emperor for twenty or so years, not having any idea what he was doing, and when the emperor is torturing his son, AFTER A HELL OF A WHILE, he finally comes to his freakin’ senses that have deserted him for a LONG time, and throws the emperor off the bridge. Then he dies.

Honestly, I just don't see how someone who lost to a boy with a few days of training can defeat one of the most powerful Jedi Master ever.

My views are that master Yoda would defeat darth Vader. If Obi-WAn managed to deafeat Anakin when he was at his strongest and most powerful. Obi Wan wasn't defeated by Darth Vader...he waited to see if Luke and co were safe and could escape. Thats why ObiWan switches off his light saber and disapears before darth strikes his body. So basically when Darth became a machine he became restricted and not being able to flow freely like a jedi should. Yoda would win by far.

Given their physical status in the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, I think Vader would win the fight between him and Yoda, even after seeing Episode II. Yoda is far too old to put up an effective fight against Vader when Vader was at his prime.

we aren't talking about vader at his prime

we are talking about vader in the OT

Age has nothing to do with the fact how he fights. If you notice Yoda struggles to walk and can Hardly breathe, he only uses the force as defense and when he uses it he its unstopable! Vader would see Yoday and put up a good fight, but Yoda is the most powerful! Vader is over confident and has too many thoughts clouding his mind.

I'm talking about Vader in V and VI where the empire is rebuilding the death star.

What Yoda are we talking about?

Yoda from V

yeah. that one

well that Yoda is coming to the end of his days. But who knows...we didnt get a chcne to see his Saber skills. its a tough call when it comes down to it.

Well, Yoda must have been scared enough to go into hiding at least. Vader is the chosen one and all that buisness, if it matters.

I keep hearing all this Vader is slow cause he's a machine.....cars are machines..they do go fast. Ive yet to meet a person who is stronger or faster than a machine (one designed for speed anyway). And remember, looks can be deceiving, Yoda doesnt move fast when he doesnt have to.....he walks all slow with a cane, but when its time to move, he MOVES. Same with Vader, if he had to, im sure he could too. Vader would own him, i think that Yoda still might have a soft spot for "Anakin" and would try to turn him, rather than kill him.

not neccessarily. he didn't try that with Dooku, one of his former padawans, so he probably wouldn't be inclined to do that with Vader who is about ten times worse than Dooku was. But Vader's machanical nature doesn't slow him down at all. if it did then he would have had a lot more trouble exterminateing the bulk of the Jedi.

Yea but i also see Anakin as being more compassionate that Dooku, even as a Jedi. And maybe Yoda would of had certain connection with Anakin, knowing all the personal struggles and other crap that he had to go through. I dont know, it was just an idea. But i still think Vader would beat him. But you also have to admit, that if Vader would concede to Yoda, Yoda would take pity on him, or be more apt to help him , rather than just "strike down a sith" ya know what i mean?

well, Obi-Wan didn't try to talk down Vader, and he had an even closer connection to him than Yoda. with vader and Yoda it'd probably be all out, regardless of who he used to be.

Darth Vader would own Yoda in a second no questioned ask the dark side is stronger!

no it isn't.

Mmm...I'm not sure, Vader is indeed strong, but would he be strong enough to defeat Yoda? I don't think so, he was so weak to betray the Emperor so he would lose it from Yoda, he's WEAK. If it was the Emperor vs Yoda, I would say the Emperor wins.
The galactic empire was defeated because of Vader's WEAKNESS...

And there was me thinking it was because Vader turned good.

In fact, the Empire was defeated through Vader/Anakins STRENGTH, if anything.

well the Yoda in AOTC could probably beat Vader I think, the one in ROTJ most likely not

yeah, the young Anakin in AOTC would probably kick Luke's butt. But even when he was older Vader was still formiddable. Luke only started beating him because he gave in to his anger. Young Yoda vs. AOTC Anakin would be awesome.

Actually, the galactic empire was defeated because lando and crew blew that shit up.....Luke, Vader, and Palps would gone up in smoke with it....BUT they were also defeated because of ANAKIN"S STRENGTH...

good point. Vader can't really be described as being a weak person.

HE IS WEAK IN THE HEART, WHAT THEY CALL EMOTION YOU KNOW...
Anyway I really loved Vader for years, and then I saw the light (or darkness) in Palpatine, and now I'm only angry on Vader 'cause he killed an important leader to save his son, that is emotion!

I agree, vader should have killed palpatine years ago, ....anyway I don't belive that Vader is weaker than Anakin

emotions are not neccesarily a weakness. anger afterall is an emotion, and that was what set him on the dark side in the first place.

Youre not understanding what im saying....im saying it wasnt Vaders weakness.....it was ANAKIN"S strength. Like, not that Vader gave up on the darkside, but Anakin fought his way back from the darkside, hence becoming more powerful than he ever had been. Vader didnt save Luke, Anakin did...

And youre saying Palps didnt use emotion?? What is anger?....its an emotion. So i guess, that was his WEAKNESS, huh?

i thought his overconfidence was his weakness.

I thought being weaker than vader was his weakness

or that. Now if Yoda were to get angry and Anakin got angry at the same time, that would be interesting.

Actually, the galactic empire was defeated because lando and crew blew that shit up.....Luke, Vader, and Palps would gone up in smoke with it....BUT they were also defeated because of ANAKIN"S STRENGTH...

NOT TRUE
Had Luke turned, Vader would have died and Sidious and Luke would have escaped. Luke had plenty of time to drag Vader's crippled ass around after Sidious' demise. The real reason Sidious was defeated was because the chosen one rejoined the light and his son saved him.

sure.

So let me see if i have this right...

"ah Luke thanks for joining the darkside" Palps

"no problem, let me kill my dad, and we'll split and go get a brew." Luke

"ok but hurry, im sure we're gonna win this war, as ive said many times, but lets just hurry up and leave anyway." Palps

"ok, im glad we have to leave for no reason,....but lets do it." Luke


no...i dont think so, if Luke would not have thrown away his lightsaber, he would of fought palps and they would have remained on the Deathstar for one reason or another, and they all would have died.

I don't think he would've fought with Palpy. He was more concerned with Vader. Yoda only said he needed to defeat Vader, he didn't say anything about the emperor.

"Only a fully trained Jedi Knight, with the force as his ally, will conquer Vader and his Emperor"
How does he not mention the Emperor?

he didn't defeat the emperor directly. by turning Vader back, the emperor was defeated.

But they all still would have died in the explosion. they would have no reason to just up and leave. Palps didnt forsee that happening. And Luke turning would have had NO bearing whatsoever on the battle of endor or the space battle. The same end result would have been acheived. The only difference woul dbe that those 3 would have died on board....plain and simple.

If Luke had turned he would have turned against the rebels and probably prevent Han and the others from destroying the shield generator. Paply knew exactly what was happening. He just didn't think it would go against him.

how would he have stopped them......they were still fighting by the time Lando went in there. So luke would have stopped them, but Vader and Palps wouldnt have? No.....they all would have died.

Luke knew every facet of their plans, he could have easily found a way to stop them

the shield generator was already blown up by the time they were done fighting. Look, i guess we're just not gonna see eye to eye on this. The entire Empire couldn't stop them, i doubt Luke could single handedly. True it took luke a little minute to drag pops all around, but had Vader not died at THAT particular moment, they still would not have left and would have been blown up. Even had Luke turned, the Emperor would have wanted him to stand by him and watch the destruction of "his pitiful little band" and "the end of the alliance" out the window. He had no reason to send Luke out....he's overconfident, remember, and comes from not know what is about to happen.

But i could have sworn this had something to do with Vader and Yoda, lol.

yeah...i must've missed the whole connection to Vader and Yoda
moving on then...

Wow, I posted in this thread a year ago...

Odd, it's still alive...

if im alowed to destroy the nice convrsation that u guys have? i want to destroy the point with saying that u cant compare movies from the 70-80ies with modern movies cause they did hardly know computers then. so i want to say that i THINK DARTH will win cause yoda in the old movies could hardly move but on the other side u cant find that out cause maybee he will win cause we dont know if he is fast in the old movies but i still think we should compare with yoda in the old movies and there he is dying so i think darth will win. but still it would be a spectakular fight!

of course we can compare them. It's not OUR fault Lucus left so much time inbetween movies.
Darth didn't have the force lighting ability, but maybe he could strangle Yoda a little. and he's so tall too, that'd give him an advantage.