French backs headscarf ban

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ash007
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3474673.stm


french politicaons want to ban all religous symbols in there schools.

Do you agree that Schools should be seprate form religion?

Some people say in could unify children has they will have no religious constraints.
But most disagree and they said it could cause trouble.

what do you guys think
confused

yerssot
politics matey wink

Closing .... .... ....

not closed laughing out loud

Linkalicious
I'm from the US...that's how it's been since i was a wee lil 'un. and IMO that's how it should be everywhere. except sunday school...which should be abolished because schooling on Sunday is mundane and barbaric.

SilverFighter
I have just one question about France. Is it true that the main religion is Catholicism? And who vote for this law to happen? The people? The politics?

ash007
i think in most europiean counties they leave behind there religion when dealing with polictics.

I hope this thread staying open as its not causing any offensive

Raz
I don't see the need for this ban. It's silly.

If they were made to wear then, sure that is wrong. But if they choose to wear a garment, I don't see the harm.

ash007
i know but then the french think that Religoin symbols shouldn't enter schools because they think it causes racial tension

yerssot
actually, they're about to pass that law in belgium too

Linkalicious
but jews n their yamakaz (sp?) are so cute.

Storm
cuteness has nothing to do with religious symbols messed

Ushgarak
The theory, Raz, is that wearing the headscarf is an overt demonstration of religious allegiance, which is from now on to be unwelcome in French schools.

yerssot
actually, people focus too hard on the scarf-part

crosses and such will be removed too, and people wearing a religious christian symbol need to stop wearing that too

Linkalicious
and i quote stick out tongue

Storm
ok confused

SilverFighter
This law seems to have certain Socialism idelism behind it. No crosses, garments and yamakas (sp) in schools? I don't agree with it at all.

feanor
we live in a world where we appease the mass in order to not offend the mass which causes the mass to be offended by those who are trying appease the mass...methinks?

Fire
this is also politics related and there for not allowed

(secondly also religious)

want my views PM ME

yerssot
as raz said, if it's not becoming nasty, it will stay open, FM...

so lets turn this place Shasta Mc Nasta evil face

Storm
Then why do other similar threads don' t get the same chance?

Fire
which threads you mean?

yerssot
the Kip-Kerry thread I think

Raz
Overtly political threads like the Kerry thread are not allowed. But current affairs issue are fine, as long as people play nice.

Fire
then why did other religious threads get closed?

yerssot
"play nice and sing along, cause Kay's back in town.
what? bring it on!"
Wet Willy Smith, Nod your head

mook
so what does everyone think about it?

is it religious persecution (in a very mild form)

or is it just a scarf so its not that important?

Fire
I think it is pathetic that they want to do this, they claim it is about the seperation of religion and church I disagree

finti
an act to abolish all religious symbols at the schools are fine, that way no one sticks out to be "picked" on for being a religious minority

Asami
On BBC news yesterday they ran a poll asking if the UK should ban religious symbols in schools as well.

Personally I don't want to agree with it, in secondary school we were taught Religious Studies as a compulsory subject. If religious symbols are banned in school, then Religious Studies should be taken off the national curriculum here as well. It would be hypocritical; UK hasn't claimed itself to be a secular country because churches are almost everywhere.

I don't know about France, but 6 years ago when I was studying my A Levels in Sociology, ethnic minorities took up just 4% of the whole of the UK. Its probably risen now by about 2 percent. Recently in the Metro newspaper (its free in London train stations) they stated that there is now 30% of ethnic minorities living in the capital. Ooh, scary, they're going to take over the world. No. Because that is just London, what about the rest of the nation?

Ethnic groups are mostly those who have a religion other than Christian/Catholic or I may as well say are more relgious. Religion no matter what it is, should be respected right? Even if we do not follow that religion, respect the person who does?

I'm not religious myself, just my opinion that people should be respected, just because they wear a headscarf, that doesn't make them "extremists." hitler

There are grey areas in the Law, but morality should contribute to it too.

Again, just emphasizing.. That's just my opinion.

Corran
Peoples religion should not matter to others, everyone should be treated the same regardless of religion but that just does not happen. Many wars, conflicts and other issues are as a result of religious differences, with people displaying symbols of their religion those in the minority have historically been persicuted, bullied and pushed around. I can see the merits of what they are trying to achieve by trying to eliminate any bullying etc from the schools by removing religious symbols so everyone appears the same.

Raz
But the ironic thing is, that really the headscarves themselves are not religious at all as they are not compulsory in Islam and are not even mentioned in the Koran. It is supposed to be an voluntary act of modesty. But obviously, with all things, it's taken out of context and not really understood.

rusky
The idea in itself is a good one, religion tends to create enormous amounts of tension between people, however, it doesn't seem to be well implemented. I mean, it doesn't seem right to simply ban people from wearing a scarf or other specific clothing in school if they want to.

Corran
Indeed, but are they also stopping people displaying the cross which is something people wear through choice and not as a compulsory religious symbol? Even though I see the merits of what they are trying to achieve they do seem to be going about it in the wrong way, surely a better religious education to encompass all religions would be better suited as people would start to understand any cultural differences and once people understand things they are more likely to be more accepting.

finti
well your religious preference should be personal, so a ban on wearing stuff that will "give" away that personal preference of religion should be enforced. Religion should be kept to the places set for them wetter it being churches, mosques, synagogues and so on.

Fire
I still think it is against basic human rights to force ppl to take off the symbols of their religion. btw if someone has a problem with someone in his or her school wearing a headscarf or some other "religious"sign could they please explain why?

Raz
I see no logic in finti's remarks. By wearing a scarf (cross, skullcap whatever) they aren't preaching to anyone nor trying to convert others. It is just a piece of item that they are wearing for personal reasons and is in no way affecting anyone, and seems silly that the French government stepped in. But I guess with the rising extreme prejudice right there it was bound to happen.

yerssot
well, I have a symbol around my neck that I got from my granddad, and if for some reason they would force me to remove it cause some high-shots at the government don't like it, though luck, I don't know about france, but overhere not a single muslim (just picking them out cause of the scarf-debate) is part of the government, so how on earth can it be deceided without consulting ALL the parties?

Fire
exactly my feelings on the matter

Fire
well they claim that they are doing it because a lot of women are forced to wear those scarfs against their own will, I dont think it is the case

mook
i think religion should be taught at school so everyone has an understanding of what each other believes but i dont think any religion should be presented as fact - instead just peoples theories and ideas.

Fire
that would indeed be best, unless someone wants to follow a certain religion

Asami
Might sound out of place, but caps and bandanas were banned in my school blink

finti
keep religions out of schools

Dont see any logic in wearing religious symbols.

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