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about the fanboy's on this site. it has been over run. something i would like to see stop is when people post a vs. thread such as Living Tribunal Vs. Eternity Vs. infinity Vs. Wolverine. it's obvious which one doesn't stand a chance yet some people will say crap like "wolverine will stick his claws in there neck" "so wolverine wins" even though it's apparent that somebody who watches over the multiverse wouldn't even have to have a second thought in destroying the 3rd or 4th nonfactory. do you people catch my drift or are you all too blind to see what has happened in some of the vs. threads.

even with that being said. more down to earth characters. when you want to put somebody vs. somebody else. they should be atleast at the same levels of power. such as hulk vs. juggernaut. or galactus vs. a single celestial. you get the point. not wolverine vs morg with power cosmic.

even more so they should atleast be characters of the same universe. let me explain. it seems to me that even the strongest of marvel universe characters are still severely under powered compared to dc's. dc just operates at higher levels of power. very few could cross from marvel to dc and fare well against the opponents in the other universe. but vice versa, dc could come to marvel and decimate the populations without anything more than working up a sweat. i hope that this makes sense to somebody besides myself. even one person agreeing with me will let me know that there are still sane people out there.

this is also for all of you that want to post links to show atleast some proof of something that has been said that is false. such as wolverine being able to hold his own with hulk or juggernaut. let me show you that it is a myth.

http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing2/Wolverine_KO1.txt

http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/hulk181-wolverine.html

http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/wolverine8.html

http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/mfanfare2-2wolverine.html

http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/hulk454.html

http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/wolverine145.html

i saved the best for last. even in hulks weaker incarnations where wolverine can actually pierce his skin. he stabs him in the gut, and hulk just simply heals. ahhhhh the smell of victory for juggernaut and hulk.

http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/hulk340.html

if anybody at all could please tell me how on earth they see wolverine victories in this i would love to know how. ha ha. it's funny to even try to dispute the evidence i laybefore you. thank you for your time and cooperation.

let me also add one more bit of information to those who have been told that venom did defeat juggernaut. well i'll leave you the link and you can decide for yourself. in case you can't tell i am truely a juggernaut fan and am here to counter some of the previous things that have been said about him by the way...........

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/vs_Venom.html

That was pretty sweet.Read all the fights. They were crazy.

Juggernautfan i do not like what u r saying. You are judging this board with a few ass licking wannabes who think there favourite superhero could beat everyone in there universe. I agree totaly with wat ur saying when u get threads like. Wolverine vs living tribunal and the guy that made it is like TRIBUNAL TEH PAWNED!!!!11! WOVLERIN DA POWERFOOOO NO ONE TOUCH DE POWER!!1!. It does seriously piss me off as it shows their ignorance towards comics and makes u wonder why there even this board. lol

Sure I'm bugged with those threads, that is why I don't even bother to read most of them or even reply. Nice links though, I liked all the info, I wish we had more of those like that in vs threads.

i'm sorry magee that you do not like what i say. i'm not passing judgement on everybody. only the silly people that say this person can win and will win even though they are hopelessly outmatched. so to all who post legitimate information and or links to websites that atleast somewhat prove something or another, thank you all. but to the few fanboy's that make certain characters look bad you are a disgrace. some of the things i have read have disgusted me. which was the purpose of me starting this certain thread. i was just trying to make it harder for people to say things that shouldn't be said. sorry if i offended anybody.

Juggernaut is supposed to be unstoppable. I have hear some on this site say it's just what he likes to say about himself. In the marvel handbook from the 90's they say he is unstoppable...so far. His invulnerablitiy only enhances the unstoppable aspect. They should bring him out of the closet as unstoppable. Mabey find a chip of the crimson crystal and it's a mental chip that makes him have a magic mental sheild and makes him the unstoppable Juggnernaut.
They also say he has been temporarily stopped by plasma cannons but once the cannon discharges and stops firing he takes his next step.
What do you think Juggernaut fan. Cain is one of the coolest marvel has.
I liked him as a thoughtless yet considerate crook and filthy rich. He spends his money.

juggernaut on 2 occasions in the past has been truely stopped. once by thors godforce. the other by war hulk. now the explanation. thor's god force there is no other explanation besides that juggernaut was pushed back and didn't have enough time to move forward before the ground collapsed around him. but war hulk however does have a reason for being able to stop juggernaut. as we all know hulk was upgraded by celestial technology that boosted his strength. not only was he upgraded by the technology itself, but it also allowed him to draw energy from 2 universes (heroes reborn, and mainstream mu). he was powerful enough to pick a pyramid completely from the ground and throw it. however physically he was unable to stop the juggernaut. but, in the issue, war hulk surrounds himself and juggernaut with extra dimensional energy that shorted cain marko's connection to the ruby, thus making him able to be stopped. juggernaut's power's are not based on the laws of physics. so long as he's juggernaut you can't harm him, you can't kill him, and you can't stop him. it's just part of his power. but there are ways around it just like there is a way around just about every thing else in comics. another thing that should be mentioned in case you don't believe me. jean grey in the past has lifted juggernaut in the air, via her telekinetic powers. but even though he was suspended in mid air with no leverage he still continued to move forward. so i don't think marvel "should bring him out of the closet as unstoppable".

I totally agree with JuggernautFan about the whole fans saying Wolverine could kick the Living Tribunals ass and ideas of that sort. Being only new to the board i can say that it was one of those things that i first noticed and couldnt believe. When people such as yourself want to say something and back it up, it makes being correct all the sweeter. Keep up the good work, and thank you for making me feel like im not the only one who noticed. Cheers.

up until now i thought u were credible on information...however....here, u r making shit up...WAR HULK owned juggy....because he was that strong...Juggy cannot beat regular Hulk....there should be a whole thread about WAR HULK by itself...there is a limtut to the power of Juggy's ruby, and many people r past that limit, the hulk included, how about Nimrod...who dropped him without a doubt....or Onslought?...just because it is mystic does not make it infinite...stop making up excuses about Hulk making extra-dimensional energy, that is laughable, u sound like wolverine8888...Juggy is a cool villain...but there is a reason why he has never won a battle in his life...u have contradicted ur own thread

No, I think you mean 'fanboy', since the only one I can see is Wolverine8888. Before he was here, there were only a few fanboys at the worst of times.

Rasta is right, though we are fuding at each other right now in godzilla VS the hulk. AT LEAST IM TELLING YOU actual info about godzilla Rasta, Ok, Hey, Juggernaut fan, I think you made this thread just to argue about juggernaut's abilities, and thats good, but you cant like... tell people what to think about a certain villain or hero, thats not how threads work, they work with everyone taking what knwoelkdge they have and combining it. Some call me a Venom fanboy, But im not, I own all of his comics, and I know virtually everything about him, A fanboy is someone who thinks that person is the very best there is, and knows nothing about that person.
Yes, Fanboys need to go F themselves.

ok, first off, everybody who says hulk didn't stop juggernaut with extra dimensional energy please pick up incredibule hulk issues 450 - 457. i don't have to spell it out for you. sure go and sound rediculous. it states point blank in the comic what it was. dr strange says it. narrators say it. War hulks extra dimensional energy negated the crimson bands of cyttorak. only then was juggernaut haulted. yes juggernaut was outclassed by war. but war isn't an optimal level of power for hulk. he was upgraded for 1 issue.

and I did make this thread for juggernaut. being a juggernaut fan. but it's also for anybody else who would like to state some of the silly things that they have read without providing any kind of proof what so ever.

That was awsome what you said about Juggernaut being under t.k. restraint and in the air and still moving forward. I missed that issue, which one was it. Juggernaut being beat is not a contradiction to him being unstopable. The phoenix was turned into the dark phoeniex, the fact that he is limited to a physcial form, is not a contradiction to being Unstopable at his level. It's easy for you to see how the Hulk can have an unreachable strength potential through anger, but not something like Unstopable. Juggarnaut can't bend his legs up over his head like he can lift his arms over his head or grow toes out of his ears, that doesn't mean he is not unstopable. He simpley does not aquire the opposing forces ability, makeing him even more unstoppable at his level.

I agree with most things that you say, JuggernautFan. I respect the opinions of other people when they're defending their favorite superhero, but I only respect it when it's based on facts or very plausible scenarios, and not based on "He's the best so he wins. Period" - ideas.

My favorite hero is Spider-man, but in a fight against Juggernaut, he will get thrashed, unless he manages to lure Juggernaut in some concrete. Again . So you see, I can be objective, a thing you rarely encounter here on the forums.

I also like Juggernaut, he's cool and menacing at the same time, just like me hahaha . And it's very impressive to see him fight, he's always so self-confident.

The only "problem" I have with him is that he's a bit of a one-dimensional character who relies way too much on his invulnerability and his strength.

But otherwise, great villain .

but relying on invulnerability and strength is what gives him his mismatches like every other character. those 2 traits are what i like about him. - such as when he goes up against thor, his 1 dimensional fighting style matches up against thor rather well, but thor's has the diversity to overcome him some of the time. using other abilities. that's why i think thor vs juggernaut is a better match than juggernaut vs. hulk

as for spiderman, he doesn't stand a chance physically, but his battle was still all too short with juggernaut. he has a genious intellect amongst other abilities. it's conceivable that he could come up with something similar to what nimrod did, if he was given the proper amounts of time. he has defeated beings on par with juggernaut's power before. juggernaut simply has an attribute spiderman has never faced before. being completely physically invulnerable. hard to say what might happen if peter parker was to come up with some kind of contraption.

did you see secert wars 2 when Beyonder fought all the villians on marvel earth and the last one still going after him when all the rest had fallen was Juggernaut. He's like a sore thumb, you have to fight him eventually if your in his league, I like when in X-fore 14 spiderman teamed up with them and Warpath who is a 100 class tumbled off a skyscraper with Juggernaut and got up and the fight raged on. Juggernaut compared him to Collossus. Warpath and X-force are comming back in Force.
I would love to see Juggernaut fight the Blob. Blob is as cool a hero as Juggernaut, i like that he is not very strong but cannot be hurt or moved. Wolverine can pinch him but inorder to move him you have to lift the ground.
I think my fav. three villians are Goliath, Blob, Juggernaut, in that order.

i think juggernaut would move blob rather easily. i also think 1 clean shot to the head would end the fight. but it would be awsome/funny to watch it. also, i didn't know that beyonder even came into contact with the juggernaut. heh, learn something new everyday. thanx for the info

Strong Guy has moved the Blob. Juggernaut could do it easily. Also, you may want to check out Venom: the Madness, where an enhanced Venom beats the crap out of Juggernaut.

Frankly, the thing that bothers me the most in these battles is that people always assume that being more powerful = winnder. Not so. many fights have been show to have neded when somebody outsparts the other person. Considering how dumb someone like Juggernaut actually is, his being powerful doesn't always matter. Anybody remeber when Spider-man beat him by trickeng him into, what I remeber as a 30 foot deep fondation of wet cement? Is Spidey stronger? no. Tougher? No. Did he win? I'd say that counts.

True. And not true. What would Spidey have done if there wasn't any nice concrete waiting for a Juggernaut to swallow ? Lure him into a volcano ?

Spider-Man all the way if you ask me, and it was a great fight, but that day he was extremely lucky that this cement was there. How convenient that it was there, if you ask me, and how convenient Juggernaut walked in the right direction, straight in the cement !!

Without the cement, Spidey would have lost.

So intelligence is one thing, but sometimes you need luck even more.

Dude that totally defeats the purpose of the story. Spiderman obviously can't beat Juggernaut hand to hand. So their has to be a way that SPiderman can beat him with his intelligence. The point is brute strength doesn't always win. Even when your the Incredible Hulk!

yea, doom has prevailed over just about anybody you can think of. he's basically human underneath all that armor.

there's a really simple solution to all of this. the fact is that the living tribunal, spectre, etc. are powerful to the point of incomprehension. combat means nothing to them. the moderators should just make a forum wide rule banning the use of them in these petty little battles. the star wars mods have already done it with EU.

i think you might want to check out venom the madness where venom is rocked not juggernaut. oh man not this again................ venom even in upgraded form didn't do anything to juggernaut. it was a short inconclusive battle, which juggernaut left because "he wasn't being paid enough" for the task at hand. he is a criminal for higher.

it was a very odd fight. even tho there wasnt much other than a beating in the first issue and some tussel in the third.
Venom really did take a beating but remember he wasnt even IN the fight for the most part. he was going nuts by the earthly symbiote((hence the title Madness)) and Juggernuat bassicly tossed him around.
I cant see why the writer thought Venom should try to beat Juggy in a straight Brawl, Venom should act more like Spiderman((use the old noggin)) when facing foes with Strength like juggy. Upgraded Venom? I didnt see any signifacant change he didnt seem stronger or faster and never used any of the abilities that are his greatest asset.

my guess is the writer didnt know much or just didnt care about the mythology of either character and just did it to make a buck.
lol I sense a "I told you so" coming my way

i thought this too should be said. i didn't want people to think of current juggernaut when they posted him in a vs. thread. because he simply isn't as powerful as the true juggernaut that used to be. here is some links to explain what i mean.

http://www.geocities.com/hp_space/Imposternaut-bio.html

now the real juggernaut.......................

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/bio.html

I'm well aware what the point is, I even agree with it totally. I just wanted to point out that, in the Spider-Man - Juggernaut fight, Spider-Man used his brains in a good way but was also very lucky.

That's all I wanted to say. There's no shame in having some luck, no matter how smart you are.

better example, Daredevil trashed Mephisto, don't remember how, but Meph wasn't exactly happy to see him when DD and Strange summoned him. called him a fake and an imposter for dressing as a demon and doing angels work.

Anyone here ever read/buy the god awful series that was J2?
The son of Juggernaut... Ha! Just trying to comprehend the Giant that is Marko making love without squishing the girl in the process is well.. laugh able..