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Once again, sony is changing the characters and betraying the spirit from the comics, not was only enough with a freak peter parker with organics webs, a spider man not funny, a mary jane as with gwen stacey personality, a power ranger green goblin , and awful script and stupid movie. In man spider 2 we get peter parker again with glasses even in high school, loosing his powers only for felling guilty, spidey not funny again, mary jane with blonde hair and even more a clone of gwen stacey and destroying totally doctor octopus character. He will be a nice person only evil for a chip and controlled by his tentacles with cameras in it, knowed only by his nick name doc ock in stead of the full name doctor octopus, and not myopic at all and not graduated glasses, only googles to work and sun glasses after the accident because his damaged eyes. For not mention his matrix look with those fashioned glasses. It is totally stupid. Once again sony is doing it, they destroy spider man making of him man spider in the first crap movie and they will do the same in man spider 2 . But the true spider man fans wont never acept those man spider movies. And at least, we can said our thougths and opinions and points of view here, not as in that nazi site called superhero hype, where the moderators are fascists and dont let the free speech, banning the people who post something negative about those movies.

im a true spider-man fan and i like spider-man, its the first spider-man movie that got me liking spider-man, no, your wrong, spider-man fans wont mind the changes, even if they are major as long as theres a good plot and a good way to defeting doc ock and they dont screw up (they better bloody not) then ill be satisfied, as well as the true fans since i think i am the #1 spider-man fan

If you started liking Spider-Man from the 1st movie..then you're not a true fan. a True fan is a long time liker, fool.

At least Doc. Ock doens't look as shitty as Green Goblin..god he looked horrible. I agre that the Gwen Stacey switch is BS, and is stupid. And I don't like the glasses missing..but I can deal, otherwise..the new one doesn't look as shitty as the first one..

YOU DON'T GET IT!! Every reincarnation of Spider-Man has been different than the ones before it. They make changes to keep the characters fresh and interesting. And the changes they make are minor ones, while keeping the original character and most of their traits in tact.

I can deal with the changes, except for one....that's making Dock Ock evil through a chip. Can someone confirm this? I don't like that idea, even though I can put up with all of the other "liberties" that have been taken.

Also, from the trailers it looks as though Dock Ock isn't even that "diabolically mad". I really want to go see the movie but I'm kinda worried about what's going on with Doctor Octopus. He seems like a stooge for Harry frikkin Osborn from the trailer.

"Evil through a chip"? What the hell does that even mean?

That's the dumbest thing I read here on the forums, and that's saying a lot. People have to start somewhere, don't they ? If they get to know and like Spider-man, and become a fan thanks to the first movie, why not ?

That's what I'm trying to find out. Does he have some sort of "evil" micro-chip inserted into him? That would be lame I have to admit.

This might be another one of these things the 'Man-Spider' people make up and throw in just to try and justify hating the movie

I certainly hope so

Do you think school

Even without the rest of this sentance, I'm almost certain that this shouldn't be in the Spider Man forum.

the Man-Spider people are the people who like organics and who try to justify them being in the movie.

I would have to agree.

Wrong, the Man-Spider people are the ones that keep calling him Man-Spider. The fans of the movie haven't done that at all.

first of all wtf does man-spider even mean????? its soo f***ing stupid that u guys r criticizing about a movie u havent even seen, nor come out yet.....and the first 1 wasnt bad at all, it was slow because its the first movie or the saga .... what do u expect !?!?!?, im excited for the next spiderman movie to come out, andyes i have been a spiderman for a long time

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If you started liking Spider-Man from the 1st movie..then you're not a true fan. a True fan is a long time liker, fool.

even tho that is the stupidest thing to say because it doesnt mean u have to like the comics only to like spiderman, i no alot of people who dont like the comics but injoy the movie and tv series, but me ...i have always been a fan i liked the comics, the show , and the movie and just because u assholes didnt like the movie doesnt mean u have to make a big f.ucking deal out of it. if u want to talk shi't about spiderman then go to a different f.ucking forum on a different f.ucking website dont just go on forum where u r having a disscusion about the movie and what it will be like and state if ur really excited .....theres no need for bad mouthing the movies

Angry beaver...

why the **** does everybody hate the spider-man movie just because they dident keep it true to the original comics, i mean ultimate spider-man is nothing like the original comics and everybody loves it. i did not like the spider-man first movie or what they made the green goblin look like in the movie but i dont say they ruined spider-man. the movie was just like a bad comic, you dont go on and on about how much you hate it, i mean thats just bullshit.

Seeing as in this is my last day on KMC, I will say only this and hope it is taken to heart by all those who read it. It rings true for more then just the Spider-Man movies.

Hating a comic book, or even just book, based movie because it does not hold 100% true to the original telling of said story is dumb. Look at the LOTR movies. Those who have read the books first noticed a lot of changes, but I still liked the movies. They cannot stay 100% true to the comics for Spider-Man, or the first movie would have been an 8-part movie.

I agree with you a little, there was some unnecessary changes made. I, for one, hated that Spider-Man had organic webbing. Web Cartrages was one of his weaknesses. Just look at the 1990's cartoon.

"Oh, no. Out of webbing! No captured bad guys?!"

And look at X-2... where was Collosus (sorry about spelling, I am typing a little quick.) accent? He isn't Russian anymore? But, it is the little details like the aforementioned that allow us to nit-pick, which can be fun.

However, speaking as a Spider-Man fan from birth, you cannot speak on behalf of everyone that is a Spider-Man fan, because I did like the first movie. I thought it was the best it could have been.

Also, if you disagree with me, I probably wont care because this is my last day at KMC, pending Vampiree lets me leave.

Finally someone else gets it.

Thats just it though. Never have I ever said I hated the movie because it was not exactly like the comics.I enjoyed Daredevil immensely even though it could have been better because even though it had some changes in it like Bullseyes costume being different than the comics,the kingpin being black instead of white,those were reasonable changes that were not just plain stupid and pointless. organics and goblin costume-man that goblin suit was a total joke,people laughed at how stupid looking he was -and these were non fans,screwing up MJ'S character making her into gwen stacy instead of MJ,plain stupid changes that were totally uncalled for.as I have said before,if you want to see a movie that was wriiten mostly for kids, watch the manspider movie,you want to see a quality comicbook film made for an adult with reasonable changes,watch daredevil.

what do u guys mean by organics???

QUIT YOUR WHINING! ITS SPIDER-MAN NOT MAN-SPIDER! THATS A SHIT NAME, AND WHY EVEN COME IN THE SPIDER-MAN FORUM IF YOUR JUST GONNA BASH IT!!!!!!!??????? THEY DO MAKE THE CHANGES TO KEEP THE CHARACTERS FREASH, I LOVED THE SPIDER-MAN MOVIE AND SO DID MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, THATS WHY IT WAS SUCH A HIT AT THE BOX OFFICE, YOUR TOTALLY PATHETIC, EVERY TIME I COME IN THIS FORUM YOUR ALWAYS CRYING OVER SOMETHING, GROW UP, QUIT YOUR CRYING AND BE A MAN!!!

And the reason they made M J more like Gwen Stacey was because Sam and Kirsten wanted M J to be a hero for woman, powerful and strong, and shows she can look after herself, that shes a fisty tough girl. Thats why.

Mr. Parker, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN STUPID TO MAKE THE WEB SHOOTERS!! Let me ask you a few questions; would you prefer organic webs or web shooters that appeared from nowhere and had no reasoning behind them; how would you have changed the Goblin costume; why are you pissed about Mary Jane? Gwen wasn't even the first girl Parker was interested in.

I agree, your just, well let me make it simple so i dont keep writing beacuse that would just get way to boring so i am going to cut the crap and skip to the end, just like Hellboy said "skip to the end how do i kill it". I did not like the Hellboy movie but i am not saying anything bad about the movie, i just simply dont like it, but anyway i have been talking way to much so i am going to just say what i came here to say and leave. So here goes nothing, I agree. That wasnt that bad.

Oh by the way, if y'all are thinkin I was dissing the movies, you're wrong. I was just worried about how Dock Ock's "evilness" in this next one.

Even though I like the movies, I will have to admit Mr Parker et al have a point. I honestly cringed when I saw the Green Goblin costume - especially when I saw a MUCH better rubber-mask concept version going around that looked like a perfect adaptation of the purple/green costume from the comic. His pumpkin bombs weren't even pumpkin bombs. I was getting a bit worried I have to admit.

There's no need to flame anyone on the fact that they liked or didn't like a movie and are expressing their reasoning behind it. Calling it Man-Spider all the time is a little childish, but I totally understand how the haters feel.

There were parts of the movie that were done really well (the whole storyline of the GG pre-death condensed perfectly into a single movie, Jonah Jameson, capturing Spiderman in action really well), and there were areas that the film really lost it (Green Goblins costume and weaponry, organic webbing, MJ wasn't MJ at all).

I think people need to face up to reality here, the movie wasn't all great, and it wasn't all bad. There ARE bits of the movie that changed the comic book ideal for no good reason at all.

And for those who think that the Green Goblins costume is just an "aesthetic" complaint - no it isn't. That costume was not functional at all for the role it required. Green Goblin is supposed to frown, smile, laugh, grin etc, because he was insane and went from happy to angry very quickly. The movie costume could not convey this. This is why I never understood why they ditched the rubber mask concept version. People say the GG movie version was realistic - well Norman was insane, making a silly Goblin costume is something you'd expect from an insane villain - he made a goofy Goblin helmet after all.

said like a true spider-man fan, kinda.

i think red superfly should get out of this forum and any1 else who has anybad remarks about spiderman

Spider-Venom, this is a MOVIE FORUM, YOU DISCUSS MOVIES. Jesus Christ, if we want to talk bad about the movie we can...

And you're not a true fan if you see the movie and get into Spider-Man that's BS.

Second off Red Superfly, you're 100% correct..the costume was a joke. I think that they should've done like Peter JAckson did with Gollum..it would've worked perfectly.

And to be honest, when I first watched the movie I was like "Wow that's great.." then I got it on DVD and you realize how untrue it is and how it's only a O'Kay, maybe less then mediocre film.

I agree with Mr. Parker on many levels..but I still like the film, just not a lot.

2) I've read almost all the LOTR books, and loved the movies, so I'm not one to pick at shit, and be like "THAT'S CRAP."

thats even better, this is a true spider-man fan.

and folks it does not matter if your black or white or if you started liking spider-man from the movie or from the comics, all that really matters is that you like spider-man, and then your a fan. in fact i started liking spider-man from the movie and now i buy ever spider-man comic i can get my greddy little hands on.

Ok, you are an idiot, plain and simple.

Just because I said a FEW bad things about the film doesn't mean I don't like it at all. I loved the film. I'm prepped for the second one too. Had you actually read my post you would understand that I was trying to be neutral.

In fact I will stay neutral on the subject because I do NOT want to be classed as fanboy such as yourself, it's too degrading. The fact that you are called Spider Venom and have that moronic signature reveals your fanboyishness. Think outside the box genius!

I'm a huge fan of Spiderman, but I can see when something has been adapted wrong or just out of laziness or ignorance (and I think the Goblin costume was designed out of ignornace of the comic character - if they knew anything about the character they would have designed a MOVING FACE).

How can anyone who likes Spiderman (and has READ the comic as opposed to just look at "teh cool pict0rz!" say that the Goblin was recreated faithfully in the movie - very few can not. If it weren't for the performance of Willem Dafoe that character could have been completely butchered.

Also, for the record, those people who get into Spiderman because of the movie are idiots - WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG? If you are five years old fair enough.

IDIOTS EVERYWHERE!

hey red superfly why dont you shout up, freakin basterd. i'm just as good a fan as any of you morans, and i started liking spider-man from the movie. so there ant nothing wrong with that ok.

Everybody must calm down now, or else i will report this thread. Behave like well-mannered people.

Trust the morons to ruin a halfway decent discussion



Who are you? Didn't say anything to you did I? Not only can you not type, spell, or bathe properly, you obviously can not read. And that comment about liking Spiderman after the movie was a joke, that's why I said "WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG". It seems as though nothing can be seen as a joke unless it has "lol", or "ROFLMAO!!!111!!1", or "LMFAO" attached to the end.

Now will somebody please bring this back into a discussion? I'm tired of the flaming fanboy infestation.

Again, I'm losing this battle against ignorance - can I talk to someone sane?

Superfly, I agree, and I am sane and mature, hehe.

The 1st Spider-Man was a let down..I didn't hate it..but like I said I didn't love it.

The Goblin costume was HORRIBLE, and they kinda' did a DECENT job on Ock with the Tentacles. On the other hand, Spider-Venom sent me a "threatening PM" last night over the internet. Ha.

And finally someone agree's on the whole Spider-Man movie fan thing..yeahh.

Yay!

Even though they did a foolish job on the Goblin costume - I have to admit when I first saw Dock Ock I was like: "Wow!". They've done a bang up job on Ock, he looks brilliant.

Hear that? I said Dock Ock looks brilliant in Spiderman 2! I cannot wait for Spiderman 2. I'm a huge Ock fan, that's why I started replying to this thread in the first place, although certain people make me wonder why I even bothered. You show'em enlightenment, they spit in your face, I'd expect no less from the product of our brat culture.

Fanboy # 1773: "OMG Dude he jsut said something bad about Spdierman, then said something GOOD about the new movie at the same time! Can it be done? Can it? Can poeple reely like bits of a m0vie and also not like other bits of a m0vie? Brain.....can't....handle.....need.....to......flame.........fanboy smash!........"

Jeez, people calm down. I've been a spidey fan since the 90's animated series when I was about 10 and I like the way the movie created more fans, but at the same time I don't like the way its created fans who don't know the whole story and seem keen to argue that the movie is god.

1) Its not
2) The 90's animated series was still not
3) Nothing is, every incarnation is different.

I've recently been watching the MTV series, which follows on from the first film, so it keeps the organic webbing. Its odd, I thought I would hate it, but it was actually really good, the organic webbing didn't annoy me nearly as much as I thought it would. It shows a good film/series can overcome slight out of canon moments. Though I don't like the Goblins suit in the first film, does it make sense as military armour, yes it does. Was it everything it could have been, no it wasn't.

Spider-Man 2, the whole Doc Ock turning bad via chip, I don't remember that from anything, I remember him just turning mad, maybe as a result of the massive shock of waking up with tentacles on his spine. Not a normal occurence. I remember him having a relationship with Aunt May, can't see that coming up as the age difference looks too much in the film.

I'm sure we'll all enjoy the second film. Lets just wait and see.

hey red superfly i was just pissed at you saying people who started liking spider-man from the movie are not real fans, ok, now calm down, thats better.

Yeah that's what I've been trying to say. I like the different versions. It's as though nobody is even reading what we are typing.

The organic webbing never bothered me (I was only a bit down when I realised I wouldnt see web shooters because of it), only the Goblin costume made me slightly angry. It frustrated me because I like Willem Dafoe and thought his role was made even harder with that infernal suit, and it could have been so much more, that's the sad truth.

Certainly any frustration I had towards the movie pales in comparison to the frustration over swearing foul-mouthed people I encounter here because of simply posting an opinion.

So yeah, I HOPE, I REALLY DO HOPE that Spiderman 2 is going to be as freakin' awesome as the trailer makes it out to be.

The new Spider-Man looks so much better..action packed, and not so much lovey dovey bullshit..A fast paced action flick, the way Spider-Man should be. Even in the comics they never had that long sections on Mary Jane.

The new one looks WAY better then the first. I can't wait for it to come down, but I'm just hoping it's not a let down like the first one was after I watched it more then once..

And even though Doc Ock doesn't have the goggles, he looks pretty awesome with the sunglasses I think.

Max, if people like Spider-Man just for the movie then thats okay, they are still true fans of the whole thing. Come to think of it, who IS a true Spider-Man fan? if you were then wouldn't you have everything of Spider-Man you can find, have read all the comics and seen every episode? which one of you can honetly say you've done all those things? none of you can. If people just like it for the movie then thats fine. They're still fans of the whole Spider-Man thing. So everybody just chill or I will report this thread.

OK I thought we got back onto the discussion here - there's no need for the police any more

First of all, to freddy vs jason, dont act so childish like that, you are the one who should behaving like a man and not like a kid insulting someone for only posting a opinion about a movie. Second of all, as superfly have said very well, this is only a site to discuss about movies, not a war. But what i wanted to say, and i repeat, that this movie and the sequel are total betrayal for the character as the 70s tv series were. And for the trailer of man spider 2, i think that this movie will be as bad or even worse than the first man spider movie. Because i really suspect that once again, spidey wont say any wisecrack and wont be funny, he will just as in the first movie, and with those organics from hell again. Plus , mary jane is looking again as gwen stacey and not as mary jane, even she has blonde hair in the movie, that is just stupid. And there arent no sense for make mary jane more as gwen, because if you want mary jane , put mary jane, but if you want gwen, put gwen, but please raimi and sony, dont mix the two characters because that is just plain stupid and with non sense. If gwen would appear in one of the sequels, she will have mary jane's personality? please, give me a break. For not mention the way that they are ruining doctor octopus just as the ruined the green goblin in the first movie with the good scientist with evil tentacles and an evil chip as their reasons to be bad and being manipulated for harry osborn. Please, this man spider 2 will suck in the same way that the man spider 1 sucked.

This better cool down or it will be closed.

im pretty sure we r calm kes so u should just stop trying to threaten people about reporting this forum cus we rnt doing anything bad just a simple discussion and debate

Damn Big Brother. Always ruining our good time.

Alirght, the costume sucked yes, but I think it had some good points to it. I don't think they could have made a mask like in the comic. I don't think it would have worked, like how they changed Batman's and Wolverine's masks.
The mask had good aspects, I liked how the eyes slid up and how you could see his mouth under the screen. Also, the actual shape of the mask was mad from a mold of Willem Defoe's face. They took his face and warped it to make the Goblin.
One point I can agree with is the fact that making pumpkin bombs would not have been tough, not that he used the bombs much at all.

Actually Bakerboy I'm a girl. Also I'm not acting childish, I'm just aware that things are getting a little out of hand.

Amen to all of that! My point exactly!!!

Ever seen The Mask with Jim Carrey? In that film everybody thought he was wearing a rubber mask (and not some crazy powerful magical thing). It worked for that film, it would have worked easily for the Green Goblin, especially since they cast Dafoe, who has characaturistic features anyway.

Batmans mask wasn't far removed, and it still served it's purpose. He still looked like Batman. Green Goblin didn't look like Green Goblin.

Wolverine regularly left his mask behind/took it off anyway. He didn't need to conceal his identity. People knew who Wolverine was before they even wanted to know who he was. Green Goblin needed to hide his identity.

Therefore, the changes in Batmans and Wolverines suits were EXPECTED, and that was why nobody cared. Nobody expected to the Green Goblin to change into an action figure, because everybody thought that the Goblin costume was feasable enough, given the context of Normans deranged psyche, to be easily converted into a something on-screen.

It was a total foul-up.

The mask idea from "The Mask" would only work on few people. I think one problem with doing that would be that while Defoe is an incredible actor, he might not have the ability to do the facial kind of thing like Jim Carrey.
Also, while they did change it, and it didn't look too hot, remember; he had on a kind of battle armor which was part of the project he was working on. That was just another one of those parts added for modern audiences. He needed the mask as part of his defenses.

Zephonim, no matter what you say, it's not a valid/good argument.

The goblin costume was horrible and no matter what you say will make anyone here change their minds that it sucked, and could've been better. And saying that doing the Green Goblin the way he should've been done couldn't be done is a huge lie, and could easily be done now-adays.

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion. I agree with you guys; the costume sucked ass. I'm just trying to give possible reasons to justify why they did it how they did. Don't get me wrong, I wish they had done old school with the purple elf boots and the pumpkin bombs. I guess the reasons I'm giving are more to try to convince myself than anything else.
Even though the costume sucked, I think Willem's performance was good enough to make up for the fact that the costume was so aweful.

It sure did. I have to agree with that - but imagine how much BETTER it could have been had they just thought with something known as "common-sense".

The Goblin costume, the organic webbing and the Radioactive spider being replaced with a super-angry-biting-super-spider were all things I kinda ignored, like water off a ducks back, but with each time I watched the movie, I grew angrier and angrier as to why these things were done. The organic webbing I can live with the most (although a quick 30 second sequence during his designing of the costume would have been easy - too many people try to convince themselves it was a good idea), but the Goblin costume was a severely missed opportunity, and I seriously cannot imagine how much better the movie would have been, in both the fans eyes and the critics eyes, had the Goblin remained true to the source material.

I kow you're trying to rationalise the Goblin suit Zephonim, and I get your point, but the fact that it was Oscorps "weapon" is not valid or realistic in the slightest. The fact that he went to the bother of making a GOBLIN SHAPED HELMET means that he must have been capable of making a proper costume. Did Oscorp intend on having Goblin-headed soldiers flying around? No, they didn't. This is why the reason as to why the Goblin costume was "made more realistic" is a crack - because it was still unrealistic anyway. If it was unrealistic after the changes - then why not just use the unrealistic ORIGINAL costume?

Also, the radioactive spider thing is just as annoying. The reason why we don't see loads of Spidermen was because there was ONE (now very dead) radioactive spider. It was a million to one chance that it became radioactive, and just before it died it instinctively bit Peter. THAT would have made more sense than having one (of many) gene spiders bite him

The helmet was not made 'goblin shaped'. It waw just a set of goggles. Only after Osborn stole it did he shape it like the goblin helmet. Plus, the whole thing behind the weapon proget is why he changed himself into the Goblin.
You hit the nail on the head. The spider was the point in the movie that bothered me the most. If you read a previous post (that was more than likely shut down by the powers that be) I adrees that same thing.
Think about this though; the comic was written in a different time. Back in the 50's radiation was a big thing. Everyone was worried about THE BOMB and such. Stan Lee has said many times in various interviews that he makes up these things that don't exist. In the coic they are doing an exeriment that involves firing radioation in a room full of people. They would all be mutated, biten by a spider or not. I agree that how they did it sucked (he could have at least killed the spider) but I think they were going for something more realistic than how it happened in the comics.

Actually, we could say it was radioactive - it may have had radiation induced to the DNA to make it become the super-spider, who knows eh?

I just found it wierd that they took what was one of the most famous bits about Spiderman (everyone must know that he was bitten by a radioactive spider by now - everything from Dexters Lab to The Simpsons has made fun of it at one point or another) and changed it, for no good reason.

Every reason for changing it so far hasn't been good enough IMO.

The thing is, was that the Spider was a centerpiece for the experiment. They were testing on it, and had loads of them. They would have found out (and by the movies logic they could still) about it being able to grant its victim amazing spider powers eventually. In the comics there was no risk of that, because the spider died and the subject was closed, Peter, because of this, also had trouble removing his powers because it was such a "freak" occurence, and he got stuck with them.

In the movie, if he wants to remove his powers, he has plenty of research material to swipe due to them actually doing research and creating from scratch, these amazing spiders. The comic book was far more interesting because Peter had to try and unravel the mysteries of his superpowers himself, in order to understand them.
Plus, I just liked the whole idea of closure. I don't like the fact that Mary Jane could become Spider-Woman, or that a random-scientist could get bitten by the exact same spider. The spider is also portrayed as an aggressive SOB who just randomly bites people in the movie, whereas the comic book spider bit out of instinct from its fatal poisoning. This means, there's a good chance that those other fourteen spiders, along with the one that bit Peter and RAN AWAY (WTF?) would just randomly bite people, because they seem to do it for fun.
For the record, I, as a movie fan, would have no trouble understanding the fact that a radioactive spider (given special neogenic rays) would have the ability to pass on its powers before it died.

i'm not saying i like the movie, it was ok but its what made me like spider-man. oh and i do have all the spider-man comics, and toys i can get my hands on, thats way i think i am a true fan.

In the latest "Amazing Spider-Man" comics, he meets a man named Ezekiel, who has Pete's powers and this brings up a huge question about whether the spider had the powers regardless of the radiation. Its a good read, starts at Amazing Vol.2 #30. Won't spoil it for you.

Yeah I read about that too. Didn't we talk about it too?

But yeah, even then, the spider would have needed a REASON to pass on its powers, the reason was the fact it got iradiated and was about to die. In the movie, there was no reason, it was just an aggressive little critter, that's what I meant.

Posted by Max: "thats way i think i am a true fan."

Why has this 'true fan' thing suddenly popped up? WHo the hell cares? I have loved Spider-Man forever, and I'm more than happy to welcome people to the 'fold' as it were. I don' think it should matter if you liked him before the movie or if the movie turned you on to him. It doesn't matter. If you like Spidey more power to ya, no matter how or when you became a fan.
The spider being a super spider is just one of those things I think we all need to live with, like the Goblin and organic webbing. Although, I would love to hear Sam's reasoning behind why he changed ot from the radioactive spider.
I still think that radiation experiments, in today's context, are watched and monitored pretty carefully. I don't think a spider would be able to make it into something like that, not that in the movie it would have to be realistic. It would have been cool to see a radioactive spider, but in my boo, wasn't necessary. It just would have been cool if they had done it another way.

well heres my rant about the Spiderman films.....
the "power ranger" Goblin was pretty terrible.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1940000/images/_1944248_golbin1_pa.jpg

but could they have taken the original costume and expected a better reation?
http://miqque.50megs.com/images/goblin2.gif

I dont think so, it worked in comics but if sombody looks like that on the big screen he will be luaghed at not feared. the real Goblin costumes that I feel would have made a good transition are
Phil Ulrich the 4th Goblin and coolest looking IMO
http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/greengoblin4/goblinstrength.jpg

and maybe the second costume Norman wore that looked like what the movie version should have been.
http://www.marvel.com/bios/bios.htm?id=9&family=SPIDER-MAN

I don't know. Looking at the picture you have posted (which I have seen many time) Id on't think it looks to horrible. When he's on the glider it actually, kinda, sorta, maybe, works just a little bit.

well it does work on the glider, and in the dark. but when he was fighting in the broad daylight he looked a little goofy.

Or when he was off the glider, but Willem still pulled off the Goblin.

I didn't hate the Spiderman movie entirely because of the changes, but the changes were a factor in that film's downfall. Also the fact that a lot of the changes didn't really have to be made. The web-shooters arguement for example: would it really of hurt Sam Raimi's butget to show a couple of scenes of Peter Parker making a webshooter then for the rest of the film you wouldn't have to deal with it anymore(apart when he runs out of web capsules in mid-slinging). And if they are introducing the Green Goblin then they should have touched upon the death of Gwen Stacey because that would have at least provided some torment for the Peter Parker character to build up on and show in the second movie but thats obviously not the case.
Also if the guy playing Doctor Octopus has a cheesy German accent then I will make it my sole ambition to discredit every movie endorsed by MARVEL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE DECENT FILMS

you know what costume would of looked great for the movie, the one norman wore in Return Of The Goblin.

yeah thats my second favorite, but Phil Ulrich still looked the coolest IMO

"The films' downfall"? I never knew 400 million dollars could be considered a downfall.
I don't think the web shooters being put in the movie would be as simple as everyone thinks. A few scenes of him making web shooters would have kept the fans happy, but think of the rest of the audience. In the comic he didn't even make the web shooters. He had them from a previous science experiment.
Think about how much it would have sucked, "look, I created webbing and shooters to propel the webbing in my bedroom. It's great that I was able to do it so quickly even though no technology like this exists." Throwing it in too quick, which is what everyone seems to want, would have sucked more than the organics.

Yeah I thought the darker, more sinister Green Goblin (the modern 4th version) would have been a great Green Goblin design.

And Zeph, the poster of the GG on his glider does look REALLY cool. I like it. I was so hyped for the movie after seeing pics of the Goblin like that. The trouble comes when you see Goblin MOVING. It works as a single frame, a picture, but does not stand up when put as part of a moving picture, that face needed to move dammit.

Also, did you guys know what I was on about with the "original concept" Goblin suit? I think its on the Spiderman DVD. If you haven't seen it yet, you need to, you will realise just how wrong the Goblin was.

I'm glad they stuck with the original Spiderman outfit. I thought the way they changed the suit (the red spider on the back) a little made it even better than the comic book version imo. I saw the concept art for what they were ORIGINALLY going to use as Spidermans costume (it's again, on the DVD - and an alternate costume in the Spiderman Movie videogame), that looked awful. I think it was Alex Ross who designed them

So yeah, I wish they used Alex Ross's Green Goblin (which didn't look too far removed from that 4th comic book version of him), but I'm glad they at least kept Spiderman in his original duds.

I would love to know who the "yes man" was who was responsible for pushing the "Power Ranger Goblin" in favour of the Alex Ross version. THEY ALMOST USED IT!

I think they might have thrown in the Alex Ross version of the Spider-Man suit (which is the same one as in the game) just to make people think they had considered it. In reality, I doubt they would have ever really changed the Spider-Man costume from the classis we all know and love. Just like they never really would have changed Superman or Batman. The costume is a major part of who Spider-Man was.

damn straight, and i forget who said it but 400 million buckaroos is definetly not a faliure

I never said I wanted them to change SPIDER-MANS outfit. Have you seen the Alex Ross version? It's awful compared to classic Spidey.

Also, in the comics, they changed the costume with black spidey, and also when Ben Reilly took over as Spidey - it didn't work. Everyone (including myself) really wanted them to use the original costume again. You cannot improve on perfection.

Hey, I was thinkin - what if everybody loved the black spiderman SO MUCH that they kept it (because as we all know they do what the fans want). We'd never have got Venom!

So yeah, I was suggesting they shoulda used Alex Ross' Green Goblin design - but I was SOOOO glad they used the original Spiderman outfit.

this is the best spiderman pic ive seen.

Doc Ock wrapped up his tentacles to kills Spidey

The costume in the movie was almost better than the comic one. I loved the silver webbing and the brick design of the fabric.
I just watched Spider-Man again and need to apologize for trying to defend the Goblin suit. The mask looks badass, and I think that that worked, but the bodysuit really does just look like a power ranger. Not too cool.

Making lots of money doesn't make it necessarily a good film and it was a complete failure because it didn't tell the story like it was and hired the wrong actors to play the part- they had to change it from what we know. WHY?

Very good point Lord Shadow.that cracks me up when people defend that horrible movie saying that it was a good film because it made so much money,thats the funniest logic I have ever heard.A movie making a bunch of money hardly qualifys it as a good movie.Look at the phantom menace,most fans and critiics alike hated that movie,yet its the biggest money maker of all the star wars movies.EMPIRE STRIKES BACK made the least most money at the box office,yet most people agree its the best star wars movie made.Like you said,this movie was a failure because it didnt tell the story like it was.I mean organic webshooters? wtf? whats next,a superman movie with him flying around on a jetpack? whoa I better be quiet,I dont want to give hollywood any ideas.

I must admit, the "power ranger" Green Goblin was a little much. The organic Web-Shooters were very unnecessary. Macy Grey was an ABOMINATION to the sacred name of Spider-Man, but that does not constitute calling it bad. It was a good movie.

As was stated before, I apologize for not noting their name, changes from book, movie, video game, board game, etc., are going to happen when making them into a movie. It is INEVIDABLE! However, needless changes like the organics make people angry. But, do not let something as insignificant as that ruin a perfectly good movie for you.

I loved the organic web-shooters thing, I'm glad they didn't make it hey had web-canisters they he need to fill, thats just gay, theres no material that he could have made strong enough to support his weight and the weight of others.

for freddy vs jason the "how to" of the whole webshooter idea

Weapons: Spider-Man uses web-shooters which are twin devices worn on his wrists which can shoot thin strands of a special “web fluid” at high pressure. The web fluid is a shear-thinning liquid (virtually solid until a shearing force is applied to it, rendering it fluid) whose exact formula is as yet unknown, but is related to nylon. On contact with air, the long-chain polymer knits and forms an extremely tough, flexible fiber with extraordinary adhesive properties. The web fluid’s adhesive quality diminishes rapidly with exposure to air. (Where it does not make contact with air, such as the attachment disk of the web-shooter, it remains very adhesive.) After about 2 hour, certain imbibed ether cause the solid form of the web fluid to dissolve into a powder. Because the fluid almost instantly sublimates from solid to liquid when under shear pressure, and is not adhesive in its anaerobic liquid/solid phase transition point, there is no clogging of the web-shooter’s parts.


The spinneret mechanism in the web-shooter is machined from stainless steel, except for the turbine component, which is machined out of a block of Teflon and the two turbine bearings, which are made of amber and artificial sapphire. The wristlet and web fluid cartridges are mainly nickel-plated annealed brass. Spider-Man’s web cartridge belt is made out of brass and light leather and holds up to 30 cartridges. The cartridges are pressurized to 300 pounds per square inch and sealed with a bronze cap which is silver soldered closed. The wristlets have sharp steel nipples, which pierce the bronze cap when the cartridges are tightly wedged into their positions. A palm switch that is protected by a band of spring steel, which requires a 65 pounds pressure to trigger, actuates the hand-wound solenoid needle valve. The switch is situated high on the palm to avoid most unwanted firings. A rubber seal protects the small battery compartment. The effect of the very small turbine pump vanes is to compress (share) the web fluid and then force it, under pressure, through the spinneret holes which cold-draws it (stretches it: the process wherein nylon gains a four-fold increase in tensile strength), then extrudes it through the air where it solidifies. As the web fluid exits the spinneret holes, it is attracted to itself electro statically and thus can form complex shapes. The spinneret holes have three sets of adjustable, staggered openings around the turbine, which permit a single line, a more complex, spun web line, and a thick stream. The web line’s tensile strength is estimated to be 120 pounds per square millimeter of cross section. The 300 pounds per square inch of pressure in each cartridge is sufficient to force a stream of the complex web pattern an estimated 60 feet (significantly farther if shot in a ballistic parabolic arc).

Um, The Spiders bite gave him the knowledge on how to create man-sized spider webbing, therefore making it super strong. Only Peter could make the webbing.

All you had to do was watch the 90's cartoon, it was simple enough to understand.

Think about everything that Spiderman can now CANNOT do. Sure, he doesn't have the whole "oh no! out of webbing" thing anymore, which is a plus for him, but bad for the people who want a bit of drama.

Comic book "fans" seem to want powers, and more powers, with a side order of invincibility. Nobody cares about adding drama to a story anymore, or adding mythos, they all want super-powers that cannot be beaten. Spider-mans webshooters were devised by Stan Lee for a reason, they were both his greatest strength and his weakness.

You see, Spider-man could run out of web-fluid, but in oder to beat certain enemies (lets use Hydro-Man) he had to think like Peter Parker. He mixed a gelatin substance into his webbing which froze Hydro Man still. Little things like this will be missed from the movies. Instead, all we will see Spider-man do is beat his enemies with brute strength - when in the comics Spider-Man would regularly get his butt whupped by his enemies, and would have to go away and think about what he could do to beat them.

You should download the old Spiderman cartoons from the 90's, from the first couple of seasons. It will show you how Spiderman used to operate. The movie Spiderman just attacks in a cool way so ppl like him

My only arguement (aside from a lot of the aforementioned changes, eg. organics) was the soundtrack. If I have to hear that really bad Chad/Josie song "Hero" one more time, I might just go insane. But, that remains to be seen.

where do you download them from, i missed so much of them and would like to see them.

They should just bring out the DVD's already.

right on brother.

I'm watching them now, its the one with Daredevil in it. One of the best ones.

The one where Peter is arrested and good ole' Matt comes to the rescue?

I liked the Secret Wars and the Venom/Carage saga.

actually you would qualify as the #1 Man-spider fan since you love those moronic organic webshooters so much.

well said Bagdatta.yeah if you started liking him from the first movie your not a true fan,a true fan is somebody who is a long time fan and doesnt accept a stupid movie like this manspider movie.

because they did NOT get to know "SPIDER-MAN" from the first film,they got to know a manspider monster.

not me,I hate that comic book.we hate it because it was the character of man-spider we saw NOT SPIDER-MAN.

no its stupid to make a spiderman movie without the mechs and call it spiderman when the character is manspider. because they screwed up MJS character making her into gwen stacy just like they did in the 90's cartoon,a total stupid change just like many in the film and they are doing the same with the 2nd one having him still wear glasses when he is in college.

hate to tell you this but many people DID laugh at the goblin costume who were NOT SPIDER-MAN fans especially over that ventriliquest act with no mouth movement. hell yeah the comic costume could have worked on screen.

you mean man-spider pic.thats the character of man-spider under the costume.

yep most manspider fans do love the organics.

Mr Parker,

I have to say I argee with you. The part about how he fought Hydro-Man was a very good point. Artificial webbing is what made Spider-Man Spider-Man, not Man-Spider. A point you have hammered home.

Anyways, one thing you have neglected to mention, and I think I may have read it somewhere, is that it is a weakness of his. How many times in the 90's cartoon did he plummet because his carterage was empty? Or, in the Rocket Raiders episode, "Out of webbing, no captured bad guys? I left (insert current girlfriend. Might have been MJ) for this?!?"

The organics really made me mad when I watched it for the first time, and me and my friend had a debate on the way home. They could have done it with the artificial ones and it would have not been stupid.

But, on the same note, why not a RADIOACTIVE SPIDER like in the comic? Why a genetically altered or what ever the shit it was? It was a good movie, I liked it. But, the UNNECESSARY CHANGES are the sliver in the ass. A good cake, but the icing tasted like soap. If that even makes sense.

But, changes like that, are inevitable. Look at the Return of the King. (Off topic, so I will stop, but if you want to hear my rant and rave about that, I will probably post it later tonight.)

so........Im not quite following, what I said was the "power ranger" costume obviously was either thrown together or made by the guys who whipped up the suits for Mortal Kombat:Annihilation((didnt that win a grammy? no? anyhow..))

but If they tried to say "hollywood" the original Green Goblin costume I fear it would have also been bad but to a slightly lesser extent.

what I mean is Spiderman and DareDevil didnt have severe coustume changes, they were altered but still had the familar look.

where say the X-men, Green Goblin and Kingpin had severe costume changes....Kingpin was quite severe.

anyhow even the slightest cosmetic change to the original Goblin would not have been enuf to make it look alright. but thats just my opinion

what I would have rather seen instead of a whole new character they should have used the Phil Ulrich Goblin costume, I belive that could have translated well.

Program Smith,you remind me of these two guys who used to run this site called no-organic-webshooters.com they created that site for true spidey fans who cared about seeing the TRUE character of spiderman onscreen to sign a petition and send to sony to try and get them to change their mind.the two guys that ran the site were a bunch of clowns because they never even followed through on their mission and never even sent in the petition so I lost my respect for them but anyways thats beside the point.you remind me of them because unlike me,they were still going to see the movie at the theaters and that they still enjoyed the movie despite him not having the mechs,that they always said it was going to be a good movie,but like you just said,thats exactly what they said which was -I have always said I think it will be a good movie just that without the mechs, it will leave a bad taste in my mouth.It will be a good cake I'm sure,its just that they will have left the icing off the cake so the cake wont be as good as it could have been.

That was why I refused to see it at the theaters and just waited till it came out on cable because why should I pay to see a movie that could have been so much better? I figured it would be a good movie but I wont accept mere good,I want to see a great spiderman film and thats not what we got.But yeah you are so right,thats one thing I always loved about spidey is seeing him have to defeat villians like in that cartoon episode you mentioned with hydroman where he had to mix certain kinds of chemicals together to defeat him or when he fought the rhino for the first time he mixed together certain chemicals together so that the hide would melt off his skin and he was able to defeat him and like you said,I always liked seeing him run out of web fluid in mid air,it brought a lot of suspencion to the moment.Like in that one 90's episode where he fought Kraven the first time-he says-MISFIRE,MY CARTRIDGE MUST HAVE BEEN DAMAGED IN THE FALL!!!! and he ends up landing in the water.you miss those kinds of classic moments with those stupid organics.then there was alo that time when he was rescuing Jameson from Mysterio and he ran out of fluid and could not swing off to safety and Jameson after spidey tells him he is out of fluid says-your bungling lame brainness is going to get us all killed.With organics,you could never have written a funny line like that.

I also did not like the fact they used a genetically altered spider instead of radio active spider,I mean when kids see the old 60's cartoon where they sing the song at the beginning of SPIDERMAN SPIDERMAN DOING WHATEVER A RADIOACTIVE SPIDER CAN,they are going to be confused by the movie now.the movie also failed to address how come he never runs out of webbing like he would if he DID have organics,and as I have said before the problem with organics is that the webbing would shoot out of his ass if he had organic powers not the wrists,there are just too many flaws with the organics that they failed to address in that film.

But thats not what you said in that post though. You said that you dont think that the comic goblin costume could have worked on film and that if they HAD used the comic goblin costume,people would have laughed at it and not feared it-now are you referring to the people in the movie or the audience? either way I dont think thats true because The Green Goblin from the comics if done correctly,could have worked on film to where people could have feared him and many people in the audience did laugh at how goofy a looking villian he looked in that movie so the change did not work at all.Now they are doing the same damn thing with doc ock, instead of showing him wearing his white lab suit he wore in later years that would have given you the impression he was a scientific genius,they are dumbing his character down by making him look like an ordinary thug with that green trenchcoat matrix copy cat costume.that sucks.

actually I made it clear in my first post the "power Ranger"costume was terrible. I just elaborated in the second post. I really cant see the Original Costume working on a live action film I might belive it if there was a few alterations......

and Im not suprised people luaghed at the movie Goblin it was a pretty goofy looking suit.

but as far as doc ock Goes yes they do seem to be riding the matrix band wagon, He could have looked fine wearing coke bottle glasses and a white suite and tie and the infamous bowel cut hair doo.

My two cents for the costume of Green Goblin:

To put him in green and purple tights would have made him more rediculous then the power ranger.

Well, let me say this first thing to the so-called 'true Spider-Man fans:' Get off your freaking high horses, you pompous asses.

This ends the venting portion of the rant.

How can you dare call yourself a Spider-Man fan if you can't even enjoy the movie due to some insignificant detail?!?! I really don't understand it. SO WHAT if Doctor Octopus doesn't happen to be extremely nearsighted?!?! Do you really think he could come of as a respectable villain in a live-action movie? There are many things that work on the page but not on the screen. And for this, moviemakers have to compensate by changing a few LITTLE things here and there to make it more appealing for the audiences (which I will admit can get annoying at times)

I, myself, I am a big fan of comic book characters, and all of the virtues and stylistic artistry, but that does NOT keep me from enjoying a well-constructed movie marred by a couple inconsistencies! For instance: I was a little annoyed that they changed the uniforms in X-Men. But then, I realized: "Does it really matter?" The new ones looked better anyway.

Whether or not Spider-Man's webshooters are mechanical or genetic in inconsequential. If Spider-Man didn't have webshooters at all, now THAT would be something to complain about. Catwoman, for instance, has a lot to complain about. Catwoman isn't white (not that physical appearance really matters in this field, as long as it's well-acted (many 'true' comic book fans have a hard time accepting this). Another thing about Catwoman: It has no connection to Batman, but they used a DC comic copyrighted character for it anyway. That, annoys me. A hell of a lot more than TINY things like a webshooter

Nobody implied they ought to have used the old "cloth and tights" costume. They implied that an altered green and purple version should have been used.

They could have even used a rubbery exoskeleton with rubber a bit like captain americas, and Norman could have just added the mask and clothes (because he's insane).

And Lord Soth, well you make a good few points. I still enjoy the movie, I tend to like anything Spiderman related (for some reason I hated Spiderman Unlimited cartoon however).

About DOck Ock - I'm excited about the movie, and cannot wait until we see Ock on screen. There will always be haters and lovers. Me, I sit on the fence and make my own mind up. So far, the movie was enjoyable and the few things that blighted it werent enough to spoil it.

Yet, those things that were bad about it, are quite aggravating, because they were done for no good reason. Any excuse anybody has come up with for the changes hasnt been good enough so far. We keep coming back to "Why?", and so far, nobody has given a good enough answer.

Yet I still enjoy the movie - I was watching it the other night - and while I missed the webshooters and the classic goblin design, it was still a good movie that showed Spiderman off.

Even though Mr Parker et al seem to go on all the time about how bad the movie is, there's no need to have a go at them. I totally see and understand where everybody is coming from - the whole point about a discussion is to LISTEN to what others have to say - not to dismiss their opinions and call them names/flame them.

I just hope in Spiderman 2 the people of New York start to hate him again, just like good old times. Spiderman isn't a hero like Superman - the people mistrust him - at the end of the first movie ALL of New York seemed to congregate on the bridge to help Spiderman, capping it with the cheesy "you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us" line. I hope they leave cheesy happy bits like that OUT of the next one.

Yeah people a lot of times think that because I hate organics and the goblin costume that I want things to be exactly like the comics and that couldnt be anything further than the truth,for instance,I would like to have a sequel made where mary jane dies and Gwen is in a sequel and lives,but that will never happen.I have never said that I want the costume to look exactly like the comics,I dont know where to find it but they used to have a drawing of it posted I saw before of the alex ross design of the green goblin where he has on the metal green costume,but its painted in purple in other places,maybe my friend bakerboy can find that photo if nobody else from here can.It was a cool look and Im sure it would have looked awesome onscreen, much better than the costume we got stuck with that I still maintain was worse than the one from the comics.

Thanks Red Superfly.Me and you have some disagreements about the movie but you have never insulted me.I have Lord Soth on ignore because unlike you,I cant get into a discussion with him without him flinging insults at me just because I hate and bash a film he likes.Thats why I have him on ignore.He does not care how hollywood screws up a comicbook film and no matter how redicules and stupid the changes are,he goes along with it and does not care how bad they screw up comicbook films.Whatever they do he automatically goes along with it.Just as long as the name spiderman is up there on the screen,like many people,thats all he cares about.As I have said before,I dont mind changes to comicbook films and I dont expect them to be exactly like the comics like many people have ignorantly thought so in the past on other sites I have been to.I very much enjoyed the daredevil movie because unlike spiderman,it had reasonable changes made to it such as a Black Kingpin instead of a white Kingpin.Black Kingpin=reasonable change,organics=moronic change.even the people like you and Program Smith who enjoyed the movie ,the movie left a bad taste in your mouths because they forgot to put on the icing on the cake.

First and foremost: I like you. You are funny. The funniest thing in the world is that you made the word tiny gigantic.

Anywho, I hope by that "true spiderman fans... pompus asses" comment that I am generalized in this catagory. I was defending the movie, but at the same time saying that there were changes made that I felt were unnecessary.

Anyways, thank you for your time. And, on a personal note, a better ending to your scrolling quote in your signature would be "why not?"

I was talking about the people who were making a big deal out of nothing.

Mr Parker only has me on ignore because he can't listen to reason

That really didn't answer my question, Sir.

Where the hell did this "EVIL CHIP" crap come from? Ive never heard of it. Id like to see some confirmation. If it is in the movie, I trust that the writers will make it work so that everyone is satified.

kay, then I didn't really understand the question. What exactly were you asking?

Was I encompassed in the above generalization?

I didn't read the thread at all, so I'm not sure. I just posted my rant and left

The Green Goblins costume in the movie was a hell of a lot better then the stupid cartoon and comic, so what if Doc. Ock is evil from a chip!? hes still evil isn't he? and thats what matters!!

Oh no spidey doesn't have web-shotters!! well boo-freakin hoo!!! there is absoutely no way that someone could make a material from peanut butter and tooth paste to support his body weight and another person if hes carrying them round the city. I loved it how they made the webbing organic, it made him more spider-like then just being able to stick to walls and have a sixth sense. Webbing made from tooth paste? come on, a teenager couldn't make something like that, hes not a scientist. Every change they made in the movie was for the best and made the movie even better. So stop crying about petty little things, go see the movie and enjoy it for pizets sakes!!

actually I posted how web shooters work, they are not just "peanut butter and tooth paste"

even tho I dont think the Original Green Goblin would look good being In a live action film, it dosent mean the new Goblin costume was ok.
Phil Ulrich had the spiffiest Green Goblin costume and it could have been made worked in the movie but this is beating a dead horse. nothing we can do about it so Im done complaining.

hope this clears up the web-shooter thing for ya

"But, on the same note, why not a RADIOACTIVE SPIDER like in the comic? Why a genetically altered or what ever the shit it was?"

Radioactivity was a scary, kind of new and unknown thing in the 60's. Likewise, Genetic alteration and biotechnology are a scary, kind of new and unknown thing nowadays. I thought that was one of the intelligent changes Raimi made, unlike the web shooters and Goblins costume.

OK I'm getting a little tired of people posting "boo freakin-hoo" and "shut up and enjoy the movie" as arguements.

Venom-fan even went to the bother of posting how webshooters work, it would have been courteous if you had bothered to read the post.

People: READ the facts first - then you may not make idiots of yourself by thinking Peter literally used toothpaste and peanut butter for webbing (Mmm.....webbing sandwiches)

Your tired of people posting that then huh!? well get use to it. People are posting thier opinions and have a right too, such as you as well. I don't see why you people who flam the movie are even going to see the sequel or even saw the first one. It's very pointless. The creaters needed to make some of the characters evolve since the Spider-Man theme is loosely based around the 70's. The Green Goblins costume change were the best, and I can't believe people actually laughed in the cinema when they saw it. I'm guessing they were a bunch of 30 year old nerds that have nothing better to do but critise a good movie, if they laughed at that then they're very pathetic and need to get a life. As for those webshooters, thats a bunch of bull. A 15 year old could not create something like that. If they added that into the movie then it would be fantasy bullocks. The webbing being part of his powers made the movie better. If they made the webshooters then the movie would have done worse, more people like the idea of it being part of his metamorphosus then the people who want his webbing to be organic. Get over it, they are not going to change it for future movies no matter how much fans complain. The Green Goblin is dead and will not be appearing in anymore Spider-Man films so quit your worrying about hius costume, you won't have to see it again.

Again, you are talking from your ass.

Read the comic and understand where the "haters" are coming from. You really are speaking from ignorance, not opinion.

Like you said, everybody is entitled to an opinion, but nobody respects an opinion if it is based on ignorance. Not only do you ignore any relevant comparisons to the comic books, you also ignore everybody elses points, and insisting on flaming them afterwards.

I'm trying to get everybody to look at it more subjectively, rather than "hate it" or "love it". If you took the time to actually WATCH the movie, and grew up on the comics like HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of others, then maybe you wouldn't be posting such ignorant garbage.

I never said I hated the movie - get off my case, and read at least one of the comic books, so at least you know what you are talking about for chrissakes. The Green Goblin, if you knew your Spiderman stories - is still alive. There were also several versions including Harrys Goblin. He is far from dead, and is probably the one bad guy I'd say they'd bring back for another movie. Again, complete lack of knowledge.

An opinion is like an arsehole - everyone has one and they are full of shit.

Heck, MY opinions mean shit to some, but at least I try and balance the discussion, weighing both the bad and the good. I refuse to be a hater or a fanboy. As a Spiderman fan, I thought the movie did some monumentally stupid and offensive (to the real fans) things, but it never spoilt the movie and I still enjoy it to this day.

So please, don't give me any preachy bullshit, we've heard it all before, and nine times out of ten, I'd rather side with the haters than the fanboys - at least the haters actually know their stuff. Admittedly, some over-analyse it. Me? I don't. I just picked up on the most obvious faults and I have given my arguements based on educated opinion.

finally some sense in this discusion, I looked at the DVD last night, I dont remember who said it but there were some desings for the Goblin that looked good and would have kicked ass on the big screen why they didnt get used is beyond me.

and for the last time they COULD have easily used webshooters, they just decided not too

Yeah I think I mentioned those pics from the DVD before. THAT's what I meant. How good did those designs look?

I think thats what pissed off fans who bought the DVD and saw the concept art for the Goblin.

It's like: "You had THAT in mind at first, and yet you gave us the Green Power Ranger instead? How on Earth could that have been better? What planet are you on?"

But, some liked the costume (and, funnily enough, are the same people who a) Don't care about Spiderman or the Goblin, or b) Never knew what people were moaning about because they hadn't read a single comic with goblin in it).

And, now that I think about it, it's because I'm such a fan of drama and storytelling that made me dislike the costume.

I bet, if they used the same suit, but the head was animated (and therefore able to convey the drama portrayed by Dafoes brilliant acting), then I bet I probably wouldn't complain at all. Goblin was all about the changing face. It's like giving The Joker a mask.

The Goblin was supposed to look like a fearsome Goblin, as he wanted to strike fear into people - not a guy blatently wearing a mask. (incidentally - this makes Aunt May look incredibly stupid - she thought that thing was real, oh dear)

Using a bit of imagination and technical know-how, the perfect Goblin could have easily been achieved (heck it was RIGHT THERE in the concept stage) - but they really balls it up.

yeah, I mean the very first image was already a step up, and I think two desings in particular were perfect. the one with the sharp arm blades and then the suit that looked like it had neon on specific points


Ill try to find some pics since so other members can see....

Those guys responsible for making the movies know for a fact that people like us are going to watch--it's just a given--it's the people who don't read comics that they're catering to. Try to introduce the concept of organic web shooters to your average American--I guarantee they'll have no IDEA of what you're talking about. These same people won't understand about Doc Ock's different look or even know who Gwen Stacey is. As fans, we have every right to complain and I'm sure the creators would concur--so long as it means we're still watching, reading comics and buying marvel merchandise. Complying with all of the above gives us all the right in the world to nit-pick...
God bless America. And Stan Lee.

No it doesn't. Spider-Man was made for one reason only: to make money. The producers and the director couldn't care less about the remarks of some over-analyzing comic fans. The first movie was a huge success, so you can bet your ass that the second movie will be made following the same strategy as the first one : making money. And if some changes have to be made (storywise), then so be it.

Mind you, I liked the first movie.

I liked the first movie - and seeing as I bought a ticket to go see it, and also bought the DVD the day it came out, and the fact that I grew up with Spiderman, means I have every right to slam it as aggressively as I want to. It means Mr Parker et al have all the right in the world to call it man-spider, because they have been the loyal fans.

Put it this way, anybody that buys anything is allowed to say "man, that aspect sucks they need to change it".

I will still be eagerly waiting impatiently in the queue for Spiderman 2 when it comes out. It's the one movie I am truly hyped to see. It better be good!

wel i liked the MMPRGG, i just dont like his face .......if they made it pupeteeer moutj it would have worked cos it was not bad at all........
but HOPE harry uses the ART CONCEPT elaborated to GG on the DVD by LUKE ROSS

dude its okey but, u MUST understand that the webshooters were the SOUL of spiderman. his geniality that those DUMBASS turned into only NERD in the movie were attached to his web shooter....i´d rather see a outside webshooter like the ben reilly spider suit than his webshootin organic..........this mean we aint gonna se rino or electro and hidoman so soon

I just hope in Spiderman 2 the people of New York start to hate him again, just like good old times. Spiderman isn't a hero like Superman - the people mistrust him - at the end of the first movie ALL of New York seemed to congregate on the bridge to help Spiderman, capping it with the cheesy "you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us" line. I hope they leave cheesy happy bits like that OUT of the next one.



i ALSO HATED THAT LINE

RED superfly and FREDDY STOP , u are all right
its like phisics it depends on the referencial system
red as i are comics fans of spider so from OUR point of view shared by many ......the movies is good when it could be a lot better, for us that suffered with peter the web cartridge were his soul;;;;
from ur poiint of view not sharing the time we spent reading spider comics being outside our world ur points are correct,,,,,,except for norman he may return.
its all fault of americans those stupid bastard dont have a brain so the story had to be shorten to lower level

hopes this end the unncecessary BULLSHITE happening here

octopus is miope look this
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http://superherohype.com/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Spider-Man/Spider-Man_2/Movie_Stills&img=27

You may have the right, but it won't change a thing. Not in the least. And what's the point of buying something and then calling it "Man-Spider" because a few little changes have been made ? (Yes, I consider the organic webshooters as a little change.)

I don't call that being loyal fans. It's better to focus on the positive aspects of the movie (good acting, good Spider-Man costume, great fx, good casting - except that Harry Osborn - and some awesome scenes) than to bring up the same complaints all the time. I'm not talking about you, Red Superfly, just talking in general.

Just my opinion.

You will not end the 'BULLSHITE" by insulting people.

i DIDNT insulted anyone ...............i said the bullkid arguments but i see u want it to go on.......well i dont care


unless u are american...........................but not offense at all but htey lower too much for "average understanding" , u guess what THEY meant with that (i kow they meant kids duh)
easy off ur viruse

YEAH I AGREE WITH YOU BAKERBOY,ITS BAD ENOUGH THE MADE HIM INTO A MANSPIDER INSTEAD OF SPIDERMAN IN THE FIRST MOVIE,BUT THAT WILL BE DUMB IF THEY DO THAT IN MANSPIDER 2 ALSO.

I always enjoyed these forums. Regardless of whether I agreed or disagreed with any particular individual never mattered because I could always express my opinions, but as of recent some things have gotten pretty annoying. Why is everyone obsessing over the 'true-fan' crap? Is it really that important? Also, when did people start insulting one another? That really is the lowest form of argment. If you don't have an kind of point to make, or any kind of topic to add just wait until you can catch up and then come in with something, but leave the name calling and bashing at home.

ok

Glad to get some support.

Red Superfly I was not talking from ignorance, I was saying souly what I think and I have a right to, it seems that you are the only one that thinks your opinion matters. So don't go saying others haven't taken the time to actually sit down and watch the film because we have, so what if we haven't read the comics or watched the cartoons? they were before my time, but that doesn't mean that I'm not a true Spidey fan, a true Spidey fan is someone that just likes it for what it is. If you don't like mine or anyone elses opinions then LEAVE! KMC is all about opinions and arguing about them FARELY.

I have to agree. Most of the people here were not even alive when the original spidey came out . They may not have even seen the original cartoons.

All characters change for the times. I'll bet most of you would hate spidey if his character was set around the old live action 70s' show. Think about that Peter Parker and think about now and be grateful for once.

There are probably people that actually bought the first Spidey comic when it was 10 cents or whatever and doesn't like the Spider-Man that any of you enjoy today. Who's the true fan now?

Guys do try to mind your language

I have one thing that I have always wondered...Green Goblin costume in movie was made for army...that´s why it had to be some kind of armor...but I really dont get whats with that ridicolous mask...enemies would die laughing...though that would be good thing...

That was another twist. In the movie, Norman has a fascination with tribal masks so he incorperated it into his suit.

i dint read this all sorry but evil by a chip is confirmed. but .hey what´s the difference. he got mad by explosion and here he got mad by chip. as we know he aint gonna be back in other movies ..yah who told about sinistres six must had gone nuts............its okay enough fun for my money to spent

I have a feeling he wore a mask for the same reason Spidey does. He needs to keep himself hidden.

ur right zephonim, but he talking about the shape of the mask not it. and that daywalker alread answered.

The chip that everyone is talkin about isn't a chip that makes him evil. t's a inhibitor chip that he implanted in himself. In the movie it will explain that the arms have a new form a AI, and he uses that chip to make sure that he is always in control of the arms because they are bonded directly to his cerebelum.