Haute Tension/High Tension

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dean7879
anyone seen or heard of this french film........its suppose to be really violent and disturbin and similar to texas chainsaw massacre.....
i havent saw it yet but have heard it is really good

samhain
Yes, I have been hearing things about this film. A friend of mine has ordered it, although I think it's called something else in the UK.

dean7879
switchblade romance it is called in the uk......i will probably be orderin it soon

mortician
hi Guys! I'm really surprised to hear that you havn't seen this movie yeat! This movie ROCKS a great deal! It's better then all recent movies! at any rate it's much better the the remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Dawn of the dead !!! If you are craving to something extreem it's all here!
On the other hand there is nothing new, it's tipical slasher with predictable ending....but all the fx are made by gianno de rossi who worked with Lucio Fulci and Rugero Deodado....so, enaught is set... have a look, but beware of rated version, I've seen Unreated, named HAUTE TENSION.
Sorry for bad languare, it's no my native.... embarrasment

dean7879
cool...cant wait to see it thumb up
that other french film irreversible is suppose to be good aswell
i also wanna see that one

mortician
2 dean7879
Very strange that UK don't have HAUTE TENSION still...
By the way, what 'bout exchange? I've a good collection of horror movies dvd rips on cd. And can send some 2 you via mail... so ?

dean7879
i just saw haute tension today and i must say that i was pleasently surprised, really brutal and there are a lot of tense scenes, the ending is the only let down...and it is a major let down

dean7879
im surprised no one as seen it

The Redeemer
I heard only good things about it...in particular some great gore by Gianetto Di Rossi the guy who worked on Fulci's zombie films...it's top of my must see list at present...

eggmayo
Anyone seen this one?
Its a fairly modern film, in french with english subtitles.
A girl and her friend stay at her friends parents cabin, and in the middle of the night, a guy with a rusty old truck and a mechanic jumpsuit turn up and kills the parents, and kidnaps her friend. She then follows him.
This is actually one really really violent film. There is a particular throat cutting, you can hear the blade going through the flesh, then realistic bloodspurts. Wes Craven has even labelled the director of this film 'The Future of Horror' and given him permission to remake the hills have eyes.

dean7879
i created this thread ages ago big grin
but yeah ive saw it..and its pretty brutal , especially the throat cutting scene..and the head scene on the stairway of the house(you know what i mean)...imagine all that happening to your family...the film is great but i think the endin is a bit dodgy

eggmayo
yeah... a wheel barrow decapitation.

MildPossession
I've got it uncut on dvd, one of my favourite slasher films, excellent!

Wheel Barrow decapitation? eh?

I was happy with the ending.

el barto_1
i borowed it whit a mate once and i loved it. after the old guy has cut the mother's throat an she lais on the flor you can se stuph inside her troat moving, thats creepy.

feral cat
Best Slasher movie in years, I didn't really like the twist myself, but the film itself is great.

slayer
I've been thinking of checking this film out for ages!!

Might do just that next week smile

The Redeemer
The best horror film I've seen in years! Ludicrous ending excepted! After all, how can the twist ending explain away the scene in the horrible looking truck involving the severed head?

Darth_Big_Boy
I wanna see the uncut version before it hits here in the theatre....as "High Tension".

PRO-PAIN
Best horror film in quite a long time, the red def. flows in this movie...

I have an uncut version dubbed in English.

Wendigo
Is there A english version? beer

PRO-PAIN
Originally posted by PRO-PAIN
I have an uncut version dubbed in English.

whistle

MildPossession
I have the uncut version with subtitles, a lot better. Dubbing is horrendous full stop.

PRO-PAIN
I don't mind subtitles at all, I just happened to run across a good deal on the one I have so I figured why not.

MildPossession
I must have subtitles for a film, I can't stand dubbing at all, if it's only avaliable in dubbing, I wait until I find it with subtitles.

But I have some dubbed unfortunately since they are not in sub titles at all/ever.

FrankWhite69
i ordered the uncut version from out of the US and watched it liked it alot the kill scenes were pretty good it is exactly what its title is HIGH TENSION. it keeps u into the movie the entire way through, the ending however was predictable

The Redeemer
Originally posted by FrankWhite69
i ordered the uncut version from out of the US and watched it liked it alot the kill scenes were pretty good it is exactly what its title is HIGH TENSION. it keeps u into the movie the entire way through, the ending however was predictable

I thought the ending was pretty left of field. And very unsatasfying IMO. Particularly in light of the getting a head in the truck scene. wink Still, it's the best horror film I've seen in quite some time. smokin'

WindDancer
I just saw the trailer and it looks very good! The gore factor seems high on this film. I defenetly going to see it. thumb up

Wolfie
Yes, released in the US June 10. I know what I'll be doing that day!

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by eggmayo
. Wes Craven has even labelled the director of this film 'The Future of Horror'

thats what craven seems to say about every new horror movie.

but yeah, i liked this flick alot. That girl did a great job. Her acting made up for some misplaced writing. Probably the only horror movie i have seen all year worth mentioning.

eggmayo
Way gorey... when I said wheelbarrow, its this little cart thing... you should know what I mean..

MildPossession
You should see Cecile in Around the World in 80 Days remake, completely different, it's like Norton in American History X, so different to other characters.

WindDancer
Originally posted by Wolfie
Yes, released in the US June 10. I know what I'll be doing that day!

Same here...I got to admit I hardly sell out with trailers. But this film seems to have some good scenes.

Morning_Glory
Is this movie good?

did it just come out of no where... ??? does anyone know if it is any good?

http://media.movieweb.com/galleries/1675/posters/poster1_full.jpg

...french film?? "Haute Tension" it is dubbed...erm

MildPossession
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f58/t312057.html

Yes it's good, don't watch it dubbed, horrendous.

Deano
very good film..brutal and relentless

also known as haute tension, switchblade romance

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=291340&highlight=haute

my thread! i first created itbig grin but it never gets used

eggmayo
Probably about time to merge *hints*

papabeard
Check out the Haute Tension poster on the Poster Thread , I think its excellent:

www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=323400&perpage=20&highlight=poster&pagenumber=4

Cinemaddiction
Anyone else wish to play Moderator? Jesus. Just report the thread.

BackFire
merged.

BackFire
Anyways, this movie looks pretty interesting, I'll probably be seeing it tommorow.

Deano
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Anyone else wish to play Moderator? Jesus. Just report the thread.

wuss the marra?!

chilled monkey
This film is trash.

MildPossession
At least explain why.

BREN
this film is trash??? i saw it last night,i loved it i own it in english language and french both uncut awesome movie......The Region 2 UK release from Optimum is fully uncut.,if u live in the usa its just opened in theatres in 2 versions,r and nc17 check out the latter if u can smile

BREN
by the way guys i didnt mention this as i forgot when i posted the other part,but the story here (i think anyway and the mrs. agrees) is lifted from the first half of a dean koontz book called intensity,its exactly the same the ending to the movie is different and the book has more of a cat n mouse game goin between heroine and mad bastard,lol,but if u read the book everything is more or less the same as the first half of the book even the gas station part of the movie smile

Morning_Glory
is this movie gory?

eggmayo
Originally posted by Morning_Glory
is this movie gory?
Highly.

chilled monkey
MildPossession: Since you asked

SPOILERS:






This movie is yet another 'insane lesbian' cliche. If it had a lesbian heroine, it would have been great, but no, they had to do the cheap thing.

Cinemaddiction
How many mainstream movies feature lesbians in a leading role, much less a Horror? There's a pretty thick line between insanity and detrmination.

I'll be seeing it in about an hour, and I'll be sure to weigh in.

chilled monkey
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
How many mainstream movies feature lesbians in a leading role, much less a Horror? There's a pretty thick line between insanity and detrmination.

I'll be seeing it in about an hour, and I'll be sure to weigh in.

That's my point. This movie could have helped change that, but it spat on it.

Take my advice. Don't waste your money.

Morning_Glory
who cares if it is a lesbian in a lead role..does it really matter...

and the dubbing wasnt as bad as the critics or anyone else was saying

Cinemaddiction

Cinemaddiction
Originally posted by chilled monkey
That's my point. This movie could have helped change that, but it spat on it.

Take my advice. Don't waste your money.

Well, if this were a Hollywood movie, you'd have a point. This is an indepdent French film, which in NO WAY had an agenda to smear lesbianism, or portray them as psychos. How many other films can you name that have done the same? Hollywood, infact, doesn't really touch in this or homosexuality.

That's indie territory. To be perfectly honest, if ANY country is in touch with how sexuality should be played out in cinema, it's the French.

Morning_Glory
ok cool! I'll go see it... you must have liked it A LOT --you came home and made a siggy out of it...eat

Cinemaddiction
I do that alot, but yeah, gotta spread the werd.

Morning_Glory
ok... popcorn

Im watching it right now... i downloaded it-- I have to read the subtitles..but thats ok...

Cinemaddiction
Ya know..don't admit that you're pirating a movie I just paid money to go see. That's my biggest pet peeve in the world.

BackFire
This was a pretty sweet movie, I have to say.

I just got back from seeing it and it delivered on my expectations, it was far and away the best slasher film I've seen in a long time, and that's saying a lot, seeing as it's not even a full blow slasher film.

Seeing as C-Dic already summerized the movie and gave one of his reliably good reviews, I'll just say what I liked and disliked about the movie.

On the plus side -

It was probably the goriest and most violent film I've seen in theaters, I can't believe it got an R rating, I've seen Unrated films that aren't as violent as this. Not only is there gore, but the gore is well done, everything looks eerilly real.

It had a very cool style, kinda grainy but still looked good.

Some genuinely creepy moments, such as the doorbell ringing in the middle of the night.

It had a really awesome killer...kinda.

Negatives-

Plot holes and logical impossibilities. Some more things needed to be explained for the ending of the movie to work. Without giving details, they're pretty obvious if you've seen this movie.

The twist ending was very VERY cliched. I won't say more on this, but the movie would have been better without a generic, predictable twist. I'll tell you now, the twist ending in this movie is pretty much the default twist ending for a film.

Slow beginning. It took a while for the movie to get started.

Questionable dubbing. Sometimes the movie was dubbed, sometimes it was subtitled. It was kinda wierd.

All in all it was a very very solid movie, and the positives far outweigh the negatives. Definately a genre classic and a movie that warrants multiple viewings.

Can't wait for the unrated DVD, which is sure to have even more gore that was cut out to get an R rating.

chilled monkey
Originally posted by Morning_Glory
who cares if it is a lesbian in a lead role..does it really matter...



I care. And it matters very much.

Cinemaddiction: I can't believe what I'm hearing here. This movie sticks firmly to the cliche I mentioned in my last post, instead of doing something good, and you're telling me that it's in touch with how sexuality should be portrayed?

chilled monkey
Oh and

"This is an indepdent French film, which in NO WAY had an agenda to smear lesbianism, or portray them as psychos."

Oh really. It features a lesbian who turns out to psychotic, and it implies a connection between that and her sexuality. What do you call that.

That is why his film is trash.

BREN
heya guys,just had to post i loved this movie see my earlier post! smile
chilled monkey u have have views on homosexuality,thats great im happy for u,but to dislike a movie because the psycho is a lesbian and from what i read in ur posts u disagree with this?,ud have to be slightly retarded to think that the movie is suggesting ALL lesbians are psychosor all hetrosexuals are psychos,lol the point is stupid,this is a movie it tells a story a fictional story,its not gay bashing at all,and for some1 to dislike a movie because the viewer has views on gay rights and in doing so dislikes the movie because the psycho just happens to be a lesbian is rediculous from my point of view,i didnt watch this movie and think to myself the killer is homosexual OH MY GOD i must stay away from homosexuals,lol,i watched the movie and thought this was awesome entertainment and that is what it is purely entertainment. lots of psychos are portrayed as hetrosexual do u have a problem with that? allso or just the fact that in this particular movie the psycho happened to be gay?,sorry if u disagree chilled monkey but disliking a movie beacuse the killer is homosexual is political correctness gone insane!

BackFire
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Oh and

"This is an indepdent French film, which in NO WAY had an agenda to smear lesbianism, or portray them as psychos."

Oh really. It features a lesbian who turns out to psychotic, and it implies a connection between that and her sexuality. What do you call that.

That is why his film is trash.


Not really, it was about an unhealthy obsession that turned deadly, her being lesbianonic is a moot point. Just because she was a lesbian doesn't mean it's agenda is to put down lesbians as a whole, it was a plot movement, it was about ONE lesbian, nothing more.

Regaurdless, you're reading to much into it. It was the best slasher film of the last decade.

BREN
backfire m8 all i can say is AGREED smile

MildPossession
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Sexual repression can mess someones head up, especially if of violent mind set; heterosexual or homosexual, the character happened to be a lesbian instead of straight. You wouldn't complain if it was a straight person with sexual repression doing all the things that happened in the film.

MildPossession
Oh and to think Alexandre Aja is directing the Hills Have Eyes remake! hopefully the gore will be very nice indeed.

Deano
i watched it without subtitles(my choice)..its not really a film rich on dialogue so it didnt bother me..it made it more interesting..it didnt need much dialogue

i then later watched it with subtitles..never made the film any better

Cinemaddiction
Originally posted by chilled monkey
I care. And it matters very much.

Cinemaddiction: I can't believe what I'm hearing here. This movie sticks firmly to the cliche I mentioned in my last post, instead of doing something good, and you're telling me that it's in touch with how sexuality should be portrayed?

I never said that it's in touch with how sexuality should be portrayed. I said that if anyone were to know how it's to be played out, it would be the French. I've seen films pertaining to morbid obsession before, and this has been the most passionate and credible, looming on psychotic.

WHAT CLICHE! You keep moaning and groaning about some "homosexuals as psychos" cliche in film and I've asked you TWICE for examples and you've got nothing to support your cause.

If I didn't know any better, you're gay, and offended.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Oh and

"This is an indepdent French film, which in NO WAY had an agenda to smear lesbianism, or portray them as psychos."

Oh really. It features a lesbian who turns out to psychotic, and it implies a connection between that and her sexuality. What do you call that.

That is why his film is trash.

A connection between her sexuality and being psycho? I call it OBSESSION! It's a common plot device in movies ALL THE TIME! It's not like they're saying all lesbians are psychos, and it's a disease. My god. You're taking this WAY too seriously, and to judge a movie on that is ludicrous.

I'd be interested to see what Aja can do with "The Hills Have Eyes", because the original bored me to tears, and disappointed me beyond all belief. The blood could atleast be red this time, not orange finger paint.

papabeard
Like everyone has said it is about obssession and not lesbianism.

I think the lesbian aspect was just a plot device more used to distract the viewer from discovering what the twist ending was, so you wouldnt think nessescarily that she was in love with her, although it became more obvious as the film went on.

Wolfie

Deano
the ending was poor i have to admit

Cinemaddiction
Originally posted by Wolfie

As for the movie, I loved it. It's the best horror I have seen in a long time (disregarding the two complaints above).

So, pretty much all the Horror forum heavyweights are in agreement that this is indeed the bst Horror flick we've seen in theatres in a loooooooong time.

Anyone up for a repeat viewing?

BREN
well i watched it again last night,lol but tried the subbed version as i watched it alone and not with the wife,she had to watch the dubbed version,i thought it was better subbed personally i loved this movie i expect big things from the director,i gotta say that her alter ego (the psycho) was 1 ugly mf,lol

Morning_Glory
in High Tension?? when the mom gets her neck slit open... does the bad guy f*ck her in her neck embarrasment

sorry embarrasment

Wolfie
I don't think so... I thought he was just digging deeper into her throat with the switchblade.

Morning_Glory
oh ok... confused I wasnt sure

BackFire
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
So, pretty much all the Horror forum heavyweights are in agreement that this is indeed the bst Horror flick we've seen in theatres in a loooooooong time.

Anyone up for a repeat viewing?

I'll probably rent the DVD, possibly buy it, though I won't see it again in theaters probably.

I don't know if it's the BEST horror I've seen in theaters, I liked 28 Days Later better, it was the best slasher movie I've seen in theaters though, period.

chilled monkey
BREN, BackFire: I see your point (and thank you for being polite about it), but what I'm getting at is there are many examples of negative portrayals (hang on, examples coming up) and virtually no positive ones. Not only evil/insane characters, but good, innocent ones who die.

"So it's okay if a psycho is straight but if the psycho is gay, it's a problem?!" Yes, because there are COUNTLESS straight characters who are 'good' to balance it out. How many movies have you seen where the heroines are lesbians or where they are still alive and well by the end? And how many of them are LEAD characters?

You want examples of the "homosexuals as psychos" cliche in film? Hang on:

Basic Instinct, Heavenly Creatures, Lost and Delirious, High Art, Mulholland Drive, 24, All My Children, Babylon 5, Dark Angel, ER, Law & Order, Millennium, Northern Exposure, NYPD Blue, The Practice, Quantum Leap, Xena: Warrior Princess, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Smallville, Charmed etc

papabeard
In the main, in horror films, sexuality is used as a plot and character device for the story, not a social commentary.

Like I said "it is about obssession and not lesbianism.

I think the lesbian aspect was just a plot device more used to distract the viewer from discovering what the twist ending was, so you wouldnt think nessescarily that she was in love with her, although it became more obvious as the film went on."

Heterosexuals as psychos,

Friday the 13th,
Halloween ( in fact jason and michael are probably asexual as they are not even human)
Hannibal Lecter Hetero-Psycho and Buffalo Bill Homo-psycho
The Shining
Last House on the Left
ANOES
PhoneBooth
Freeway
Killers
and countless other examples which for some reason escape me at the moment.

In general ,in movies,I think there are more hetero-psychos than homo-psychos.

MildPossession
Basic Instinct - Bi sexual who psycho towards men mostly.

Heavenly Creatures - based on true story, like Sister My Sister(name?)

Lost and Delirious- Nothing negative about this film at all, nothing psycho

Same for High Art, Mulholland Drive, Buffy the Vampire Slayer episodes.

Nothing negative about any of the above... especially not cliche.

She Hate Me is a good example of negative portrayl, can't stand the film.


As for the dubbing, I thought Cecile De France did an English voice over for her role for the American release?

Deano
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
So, pretty much all the Horror forum heavyweights are in agreement that this is indeed the bst Horror flick we've seen in theatres in a loooooooong time.

Anyone up for a repeat viewing?

ive had this film for months now
saw it about 4 times
gets better each time

WindDancer
This film feels like a mixture of Fight Club, Texas Chainsaw massacre, and Mullholland Drive all squeeze into one container. The gore factor was average but well done and well executed. The suspense was excellent and kept me interested during the film. The whole lesbian affair didn't bother me nor did I founded exciting. But that doesn't mean it wasn't interesting to watch. The twist was great! Felt like if it was taken from an M. Night movie. Except this movie time it perfectly. Not too early nor too late in the film. Just about right. And the ending was just psychological insane with a sinister and haunting scene.

Is a good thriller and great suspence flick. Gore factor fairly average. If possible avoid the dubbed version. Go for the full subtitle film.

Haute Tension gets a 4 out of 5.

Morning_Glory
so... if the girl and the bad guy were the same person ... how was it possible that someone was chasing her and who did she think she had suffocated-- or is this like a Fight Club sort of movie...cause could ask the same questions for that movie as well

Cinemaddiction
Originally posted by chilled monkey
You want examples of the "homosexuals as psychos" cliche in film? Hang on:

Basic Instinct, Heavenly Creatures, Lost and Delirious, High Art, Mulholland Drive, 24, All My Children, Babylon 5, Dark Angel, ER, Law & Order, Millennium, Northern Exposure, NYPD Blue, The Practice, Quantum Leap, Xena: Warrior Princess, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Smallville, Charmed etc

I wanted examples of from HOLLYWOOD, not sappy ****ing soap operas and television shows that rip sexuality from headlines. Crazy queers in "24"? I own Seasons 1-3, saw all of Season 4, and I don't recall any psycho homos? Care to refresh my memory?

This is ridiculous. Just tell us, are you gay or just some random feminist? Mild Posession's already sat you down, you're just grabbing air now, looking for reasons to hate this movie for some reason.

Cinemaddiction
Originally posted by chilled monkey
You want examples of the "homosexuals as psychos" cliche in film? Hang on:

Basic Instinct, Heavenly Creatures, Lost and Delirious, High Art, Mulholland Drive, 24, All My Children, Babylon 5, Dark Angel, ER, Law & Order, Millennium, Northern Exposure, NYPD Blue, The Practice, Quantum Leap, Xena: Warrior Princess, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Smallville, Charmed etc

I wanted examples of from HOLLYWOOD, not sappy ****ing soap operas and television shows that rip sexuality from headlines. Crazy queers in "24"? I own Seasons 1-3, saw all of Season 4, and I don't recall any psycho homos? Care to refresh my memory? Are you talking about Richard? That was merely a side story.

This is ridiculous. Just tell us, are you gay or just some random feminist? Mild Posession's already sat you down, you're just grabbing air now, looking for reasons to hate this movie for some reason.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Gore factor fairly average. If possible avoid the dubbed version.

If this is average, what exactly are you comparing it to? Have you seen a gorier film in theatres?

Originally posted by Morning_Glory
so... if the girl and the bad guy were the same person ... how was it possible that someone was chasing her and who did she think she had suffocated-- or is this like a Fight Club sort of movie...cause could ask the same questions for that movie as well

She was telling a story, the whole thing was made up. At the beginning, she asked if the recorder was on, and at the end, when they were reviewing the surveilance tape, and Marie was on it, she was in the ward room, with Alex asking if Marie could see her.

Morning_Glory
if she was the bad guy doing all the damage how did she become so hurt ( her arm, her back) the ending just sort of confuses me now

Cinemaddiction
Self inflicted, I'd imagine. Her head trauma matched that of the mad man who took the barbed wire stick to the head. Just not her face. If you recall, Billy and Stu did the same thing in "Scream" to set up Syd.

WindDancer
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
If this is average, what exactly are you comparing it to? Have you seen a gorier film in theatres?


In theathers? No, thanks to our friends at MPAA. But I have seen movies with a higher gore factor than Haute Tension. Take for instance the gore factor in Riki Oh:The story of Riki. A lot more gorier and extremely silly, but it is equally entertaining as Haute Tension. Of course Haute Tension is a more serious film than Riki and like I mention earlier the gore factor was average but perfectly executed for this film. In other words it wasn't overly done. And it work fine for the suspense of the film.

You also have to keep in mind that some of us saw the R rated version of the film. It is slightly edited and cut so we missed maybe an extra 5 seconds of blood splattering. Most likely we'll have to wait for the DVD version with NC 17 for those extra seconds of gore.

MildPossession
I found it to be more gory in the sense that it was realistic, Ricki was over the top gore and doesn't disturb as much, well to me it doesn't.


Cine- the 24 lesbian psycho, I think she is going on about Mia Krisnher's(sp?) character who was a bi sexual in the series, had one kiss. I only saw that episode.

Wolfie
Bound: Example of lesbians who did not go psycho.

I just assumed everything was like Fight Club. All her cuts and stuff, she just beat the crap out of herself, thinking she was beating on someone else. There were also a couple hints too. When she was smothering him with the plastic sheet, he was choking her at the same time.

Also, at the gas station, I was wondering how she got out. That knife couldn't have cut through a lock.

Cinemaddiction
Originally posted by MildPossession

Cine- the 24 lesbian psycho, I think she is going on about Mia Krisnher's(sp?) character who was a bi sexual in the series, had one kiss. I only saw that episode.

Oh, Mandy? It's still ridiculous to just assume that she's representitive of all lesbians, or something equally as preposterous. I've got news for ya, homosexuals can be criminals too! eek!

Wolfie
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
I've got news for ya, homosexuals can be criminals too! eek!
EXACTLY!

chilled monkey
HOW MANY TIMES? Yes I know there are plenty of 'evil' straight characters and 'good' ones who die. There are also COUNTLESS straight 'good' characters who don't die. How many movies are there with lesbian heroines who don't die?

Bound. Yes ONE movie. And you think that's enough do you? You think there don't need to be any more do you?

If the ratio of negative portrayals to positive was roughly 50:50 that would be fine. But it is not.

MildPossession
There are lots of films with positive lesbian characters, one of the latest ones doing well in the lesbian community is D.E.B.S: The Movie, Saving Face is also a good film, Butterfly is a wonderful happy ending film also.

Not horror/heroines I know, but positive. You are never going to get 50:50 when it comes to homosexual characters in film against straight.

Wolfie
Hollywood is homophobic, you're not gonna see many movies with gays in it at all. Of course the ratio is different, not every movie has homosexual characters. Excuse this movie for making the lesbian character a psycho.

Kinsey and Boondock Saints to name a couple more. Both have very respectable gay characters.

Cinemaddiction
Originally posted by Wolfie


Kinsey and Boondock Saints to name a couple more. Both have very respectable gay characters.

Like a crossdressing Willem Dafoe? eek! There's no real arguement, CM, as there aren't any lesbian heroines/villains in Horror, unless we're talkin' about Trauma flicks, lol.

Also, I don't think Hollywood is homophobic. It's just too touchy a subject for anyone other than an actual homosexual to write and produce from their prospective.

All this bitching about female psycho lesbians. How the **** do you guys feel about Aileen Wuernos and the movie "Monster"? Or is that another anti-gay Hollywood propaganda fabrication.

chilled monkey
MildPossession: I was not aware of the movies you mentioned. Thanks for letting me know.

I feel that this is getting out of hand. I admit I came on somewhat strongly. I did not mean to imply that the director was thinking "I'll make the killer gay, that'll show them." 'Trash' was perhaps too strong as well. To be fair, except for this, it's probably a fine movie.

If you enjoyed it, fine, you're entitled to your opinion.

However, I think you have to agree that there should be more positive portrayals of gay/lesbian characters and that this movie does nothing to help. I admit though, that it was not done malicously and it did not have an anti-gay agenda.

Fair enough?

Deano
positive such as?
that can be said about anyone really

Wolfie
Originally posted by chilled monkey
However, I think you have to agree that there should be more positive portrayals of gay/lesbian characters and that this movie does nothing to help. I admit though, that it was not done malicously and it did not have an anti-gay agenda.
Does nothing to help, sure. Doesn't hurt either.

chilled monkey
Originally posted by Deano
positive such as?
that can be said about anyone really

Positive such as not dying, going crazy etc. Being alive and well by the movie's end. Being good people as opposed to killers, that sort of thing.

papabeard
The Laramie Project and Boys Dont Cry.....promote good stereotypes, but thats all thery are, stereotypes just plot devices.and these stereotypes as a consequence can promote good or bad ideas about homosexuality, which can be harmful ,but like you say , i dont think they are created with an anti-gay agenda just a pro-money one, hollywood doesnt think ...hmmmm, we as a collective consciousness will create an anti-gay propaganda film, they just think lets make a lot of [email protected] money and consequences be damned, mainstream film-makers should be aware that they do have a responsibility to realise when they are arbitrarily using,denigrating and reinforcing negative stereotypes just to make a buck.

Darth Vicious
WHo was the guy at the beggining of the movie in the truck that seemed to be masturbating with a severed head? It couldnt have been her since i believe it was in Alex's house and they havent had arrived yet, Any theories?

Wolfie
That happened before the movie maybe?

How about the gas station tendant? He was scared of the killer and winked reassuringly at Marie.

chilled monkey
Originally posted by papabeard
The Laramie Project and Boys Dont Cry.....promote good stereotypes, but thats all thery are, stereotypes just plot devices.and these stereotypes as a consequence can promote good or bad ideas about homosexuality, which can be harmful ,but like you say , i dont think they are created with an anti-gay agenda just a pro-money one, hollywood doesnt think ...hmmmm, we as a collective consciousness will create an anti-gay propaganda film, they just think lets make a lot of [email protected] money and consequences be damned, mainstream film-makers should be aware that they do have a responsibility to realise when they are arbitrarily using,denigrating and reinforcing negative stereotypes just to make a buck.

Yes! That's it exactly. Thank you.

Cinemaddiction
..all that aside, this wasn't an American film, much less U.S., and "stereotypes" are rooted in truth, especially in homosexuality. Stereotypes in "Boys Don't Cry"? It was a true story, the likes of which very few liberties were taken, so I read. There weren't any "stereotypes", as Brandon Teena wasn't eccentric, or flamboyant, or portrayed in a negative light.

Hollywood's not guilty, because they don't touch the subject, and they don't make anti-gay films. You say "we as a consciousness", I say if one IS percieved as such, it's done SUBconsciously.

Ya Krunk'd Floo
As soon as I saw the cop watching the TV at the end I though..."Uh-oh...Here comes a BIG twist!"...In a way, it settled some of the plot-holes I was ready to complain about, BUT - please note, it's a BIG 'but' - WHERE DID THE FUKCUCKING CAR COME FROM!?!?!?!?!? Anyone able to explain that to me!?!?!?!

Jason_Krueger
I enjoyed this movie....didn't care too much for the twist at the end but thats all horror movie endings are anymore.......some great A+ gore

Nyria
The ending was very stupid it seemed somewhat thrown together but aside from that the movie was good I just wish they made an alternate ending.

Ya Krunk'd Floo
If the twist wasn't the twist that it was it would have made the movie even more implausible.

Now, WHAT ABOUT THAT FUKCUCKCUCKING RUSTY VAN!?!?!?!?! WHERE DID THAT COME FROM AND WHO THE FOOT-FOOT WAS DRIVING IT WHEN SHE WAS IN THE BACK!?!?!?!?

Jason_Krueger
The ending kinda f*cks with your mind huh?

SaTsuJiN
honestly.. when I saw her on the surveillance tape.. I was quite shocked that it was her for some reason.. I dont know why... however, I really enjoyed the film.. it revived horror a bit for me big grin I hope some more goodies come out soon

Solo
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Now, WHAT ABOUT THAT FUKCUCKCUCKING RUSTY VAN!?!?!?!?! WHERE DID THAT COME FROM AND WHO THE FOOT-FOOT WAS DRIVING IT WHEN SHE WAS IN THE BACK!?!?!?!?
It was a dream.

Tired Hiker
Originally posted by BackFire
This was a pretty sweet movie, I have to say.

I just got back from seeing it and it delivered on my expectations, it was far and away the best slasher film I've seen in a long time, and that's saying a lot, seeing as it's not even a full blow slasher film.

Seeing as C-Dic already summerized the movie and gave one of his reliably good reviews, I'll just say what I liked and disliked about the movie.

On the plus side -

It was probably the goriest and most violent film I've seen in theaters, I can't believe it got an R rating, I've seen Unrated films that aren't as violent as this. Not only is there gore, but the gore is well done, everything looks eerilly real.

It had a very cool style, kinda grainy but still looked good.

Some genuinely creepy moments, such as the doorbell ringing in the middle of the night.

It had a really awesome killer...kinda.

Negatives-

Plot holes and logical impossibilities. Some more things needed to be explained for the ending of the movie to work. Without giving details, they're pretty obvious if you've seen this movie.

The twist ending was very VERY cliched. I won't say more on this, but the movie would have been better without a generic, predictable twist. I'll tell you now, the twist ending in this movie is pretty much the default twist ending for a film.

Slow beginning. It took a while for the movie to get started.

Questionable dubbing. Sometimes the movie was dubbed, sometimes it was subtitled. It was kinda wierd.

All in all it was a very very solid movie, and the positives far outweigh the negatives. Definately a genre classic and a movie that warrants multiple viewings.

Can't wait for the unrated DVD, which is sure to have even more gore that was cut out to get an R rating.

Sweet! I just rented this today, and I'm going to watch it soon tonight! I always check Backfire's opinion on a horror flick before I watch it. Cool, I'm excited now! Jumpy

NormaBates
I don't know what your problem is with that ending, it was new and something we've never seen before!
all the things that don't seem correct in the movie, we're all just in that twisted mind of that girl!! like when she was in the back of the van and they were driving?! NEWSFLASH! she wasn't in the back of the van!

Espantada23
I actully like this movie alot....didnt think i would when i first started watching it....i can thank my mother for making me watch it with her.

doomsday49
the ending to me was a dissapointer(is that a word?). And for those who don't know they stole the story from stephen king's 'intensity'. It would've been better if they stuck with the book ending.

doomsday49
Originally posted by NormaBates
I don't know what your problem is with that ending, it was new and something we've never seen before!
all the things that don't seem correct in the movie, we're all just in that twisted mind of that girl!! like when she was in the back of the van and they were driving?! NEWSFLASH! she wasn't in the back of the van!

too many plot holes. Even for a multiple personality movie.

Tired Hiker
I liked the movie a lot, but yeah, the twist was a bit whack, but still, great horror movie.

BackFire
Glad you liked it TH, the staircase decapitation was ****ing badass, huh?

Espantada23
disappointer?....if it wasnt a word before it is now....i still like this movie even with its plotholes

Zilverz
Originally posted by doomsday49
the ending to me was a dissapointer(is that a word?). And for those who don't know they stole the story from stephen king's 'intensity'. It would've been better if they stuck with the book ending.


how does it end in the book ?? please use spoiler tags

doomsday49
i don't know how to use spoiler tag or even knows what it means(i'm not very computer literate) so i'm just not gonna say nuthin.

doomsday49
Originally posted by doomsday49
the ending to me was a dissapointer(is that a word?). And for those who don't know they stole the story from stephen king's 'intensity'. It would've been better if they stuck with the book ending.

quick change of information. The author was dean koontz not stephen king.

Tired Hiker
Originally posted by BackFire
Glad you liked it TH, the staircase decapitation was ****ing badass, huh?

Yeah, that was tight. The first time they show the truck driver was insane! When he throws the head of a girl out the window after he . . . oh god, I can't even say it.

Wolfie
Originally posted by Tired Hiker
Yeah, that was tight. The first time they show the truck driver was insane! When he throws the head of a girl out the window after he . . . oh god, I can't even say it.
That made a couple of my friends turn it off. They were too weirded out. smile

LizzyT123
Originally posted by Tired Hiker
Yeah, that was tight. The first time they show the truck driver was insane! When he throws the head of a girl out the window after he . . . oh god, I can't even say it.

Oh dude, I thought that part was awesome. He was actually getting a real headhysterical

deathbycorn
Who else thinks the first death of the father looks a bit fake?

LizzyT123
yeah, it was really fake, but........if you could see that happen in real life......dear god! lol

allofyousuckkk
i just bought it off the used rack (whoever thought up the used rack is amazing, 3 movies for $9.99 biotch)

anyway, it was good, but im still lost as to where the truck came from, and if she was driving the truck and not in the back, how did she give alex the knife? ya, im confused

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