why? or why not?

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just_guy
well i was wonderin alot of my friends say that kill bill just plain sucks while others say its one of the greatest movies ever confused to get a little deeper on that the ones who say its retarded say its just a big blood bath while the ones who like it say its spectacular fighting with hot women and i am just a frickin penny pincher and i never spend any of my limited money unless i hafta

(IF YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE READIN ALL THAT) so what i'm gettin at is why or why not do you like the movies what makes it good what makes it bad

me15
ive never seen it, but it looks good

I Love Sirius
If you are a Quentin Tarantino fan (like me) you will say it's great. It's people that aren't fans of his movies or stupid critic people who are biased (Filmcritic.com) who will say that the movie sucked. I went to go see it because I am loyal to Tarantino. He's got a different style of movies, his own flair, his own touch so that makes him different. And becuase of it, some people say his movies are crap. I thought it was a very good movie, but of course, there are always going to be different views with all movies.

SenshiNaka
OK really was there a point to that post?

I really loved Kill Bill, the action sequences are perfect for my tastes and the gore is exagerated to a funny yet nessacary level. For every limb that is cut it feels justifiable because of the story that is unfolding while your watching this great film. This film is a homage to 1970's Kung Fu/Samurai Films and it does it well. I reccomend this movie to anyone, even if you dislike the type of action the story is worth it.

Evil Dead
I'm a Tarantino fan........and I can honestly say, it's okay. It's not great.......it's not bad. In terms of other QT movies, it can't come close to touching Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction. It is however a good watch.....the story does kind of keep you interested. Vol. 1 is like 1hr and 45 min. long.......but it doesn't seem like it. The story kind of grabs you making the time fly much quicker.

skribblez101
The two volumes of Kill Bill are the only Tarantino films I have ever seen and I thought it was brilliant and one (well two) of the best movies I have ever seen.

gtsecc
"Kill Bill: Volume 1" shows Quentin Tarantino so effortlessly and brilliantly in command of his technique that he reminds me of a virtuoso violinist racing through "Flight of the Bumble Bee" -- or maybe an accordion prodigy setting a speed record for "Lady of Spain." I mean that as a sincere compliment. The movie is not about anything at all except the skill and humor of its making. It's kind of brilliant.

His story is a distillation of the universe of martial arts movies, elevated to a trancelike mastery of the material. Tarantino is in the Zone. His story engine is revenge. In the opening scene, Bill kills all of the other members of a bridal party, and leaves The Bride (Uma Thurman) for dead. She survives for years in a coma and is awakened by a mosquito's buzz. Is QT thinking of Emily Dickinson, who heard a fly buzz when she died? I am reminded of Manny Farber's definition of the auteur theory: "A bunch of guys standing around trying to catch someone shoving art up into the crevices of dreck."

The Bride is no Emily Dickinson. She reverses the paralysis in her legs by "focusing." Then she vows vengeance on the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad, and as "Volume 1" concludes, she is about half-finished. She has wiped out Vernita Green (Vivica A. Fox) and O-Ren Ishii (Lucy Liu), and in "Volume 2" will presumably kill Elle Driver (Daryl Hannah), Budd (Michael Madsen) and of course Bill (David Carradine). If you think I have given away plot details, you think there can be doubt about whether the heroine survives the first half of a two-part action movie, and should seek help.

The movie is all storytelling and no story. The motivations have no psychological depth or resonance, but are simply plot markers. The characters consist of their characteristics. Lurking beneath everything, as it did with "Pulp Fiction," is the suggestion of a parallel universe in which all of this makes sense in the same way that a superhero's origin story makes sense. There is a sequence here (well, it's more like a third of the movie) where The Bride single-handedly wipes out O-Ren and her entire team, including the Crazy 88 Fighters, and we are reminded of Neo fighting the clones of Agent Smith in "The Matrix Reloaded," except the Crazy 88 Fighters are individual human beings, I think. Do they get their name from the Crazy 88 blackjack games on the Web, or from Episode 88 of the action anime "Tokyo Crazy Paradise," or should I seek help?

The Bride defeats the 88 superb fighters (plus various bodyguards and specialists) despite her weakened state and recently paralyzed legs because she is a better fighter than all of the others put together. Is that because of the level of her skill, the power of her focus, or the depth of her need for vengeance? Skill, focus and need have nothing to do with it: She wins because she kills everybody without getting killed herself. You can sense Tarantino grinning a little as each fresh victim, filled with foolish bravado, steps forward to be slaughtered. Someone has to win in a fight to the finish, and as far as the martial arts genre is concerned, it might as well be the heroine. (All of the major characters except Bill are women, the men having been emasculated right out of the picture.)

"Kill Bill: Volume 1" is not the kind of movie that inspires discussion of the acting, but what Thurman, Fox and Liu accomplish here is arguably more difficult than playing the nuanced heroine of a Sundance thumb-sucker. There must be presence, physical grace, strength, personality and the ability to look serious while doing ridiculous things. The tone is set in an opening scene, where The Bride lies near death and a hand rubs at the blood on her cheek, which will not come off because it is clearly congealed makeup. This scene further benefits from being shot in black and white; for QT, all shots in a sense are references to other shots -- not particular shots from other movies, but archetypal shots in our collective moviegoing memories.

There's B&W in the movie, and slo-mo, and a name that's bleeped entirely for effect, and even an extended sequence in anime. The animated sequence, which gets us to Tokyo and supplies the backstory of O-Ren, is sneaky in the way it allows Tarantino to deal with material that might, in live action, seem too real for his stylized universe. It deals with a Mafia kingpin's pedophilia. The scene works in animated long shot; in live action closeup, it would get the movie an NC-17.

Before she arrives in Tokyo, The Bride stops off to obtain a sword from Hattori Hanzo ("special guest star" Sonny Chiba). He has been retired for years, and is done with killing. But she persuades him, and he manufactures a sword that does not inspire his modesty: "This my finest sword. If in your journey you should encounter God, God will be cut."

Later the sword must face the skill of Go Go Yubari (Chiaki Kuriyama), O-Ren's teenage bodyguard and perhaps a major in medieval studies, since her weapon of choice is the mace and chain. This is in the comic book tradition by which characters are defined by their weapons.

To see O-Ren's God-slicer and Go-Go's mace clashing in a field of dead and dying men is to understand how women have taken over for men in action movies. Strange, since women are not nearly as good at killing as men are. Maybe they're cast because the liberal media wants to see them succeed. The movie's women warriors reminds me of Ruby Rich's defense of Russ Meyer as a feminist filmmaker (his women initiate all the sex and do all the killing).

There is a sequence in which O-Ren Ishii takes command of the Japanese Mafia and beheads a guy for criticizing her as half-Chinese, female and American. O-Ren talks Japanese through a translator but when the guy's head rolls on the table everyone seems to understand her. Soon comes the deadly battle with The Bride, on a two-level set representing a Japanese restaurant. Tarantino has the wit to pace this battle with exterior shots of snowfall in an exquisite formal garden. Why must the garden be in the movie? Because gardens with snow are iconic Japanese images, and Tarantino is acting as the instrument of his received influences.

By the same token, Thurman wears a costume identical to one Bruce Lee wore in his last film. Is this intended as coincidence, homage, impersonation? Not at all. It can be explained by quantum physics: The suit can be in two movies at the same time. And when the Hannah character whistles the theme from "Twisted Nerve" (1968), it's not meant to suggest she is a Hayley Mills fan but that leakage can occur between parallel universes in the movies. Will "Volume 2" reveal that Mr. Bill used to be known as Mr. Blonde?

gtsecc
Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill Vol. 2" is an exuberant celebration of moviemaking, coasting with heedless joy from one audacious chapter to another, working as irony, working as satire, working as drama, working as pure action. I liked it even more than "Kill Bill, Vol. 1" (2003). It's not a sequel but a continuation and completion, filmed at the same time; now that we know the whole story, the first part takes on another dimension. "Vol. 2" stand on its own, although it has deeper resonance if you've seen "Kill Bill," just released on video.

The movie is a distillation of the countless grind house kung-fu movies Tarantino has absorbed, and which he loves beyond all reason. Web sites have already enumerated his inspirations -- how a sunset came from this, and a sword from that. He isn't copying, but transcending; there's a kind of urgency in the film, as if he's turning up the heat under his memories.

The movie opens with a long closeup of The Bride (Uma Thurman) behind the wheel of a car, explaining her mission, which is to kill Bill. There is a lot of explaining in the film; Tarantino writes dialogue with quirky details that suggest the obsessions of his people. That's one of the ways he gives his movies a mythical quality; the characters don't talk in mundane everyday dialogue, but in a kind of elevated geekspeak that lovingly burnishes the details of their legends, methods, beliefs and arcane lore.

Flashbacks remind us that the pregnant Bride and her entire wedding party were targeted by the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad in a massacre at the Two Pines Wedding Chapel. Bill was responsible -- Bill, who she confronts on the porch of the chapel for a conversation that suggests the depth and weirdness of their association. He's played by David Carradine in a performance that somehow, improbably, suggests that Bill and the Bride had a real relationship despite the preposterous details surrounding it. (Bill is deeply offended that she plans to marry a used record store owner and lead a normal life.)

The Bride of course improbably survived the massacre, awakened after a long coma, and in the first film set to avenge herself against the Deadly Vipers and Bill. That involved extended action sequences as she battled Vernita Green (Vivica A. Fox) and O-Ren Ishii (Lucy Liu), not to mention O-Ren's teenage bodyguard Go-Go Yubari (Chiaki Kuriyama) and the martial arts killer team known as the Crazy 88.

Much of her success came because she was able to persuade the legendary swordmaker Hattori Hanzo (Sonny Chiba) to come out of retirement and make her a weapon. He presented it without modesty: "This my finest sword. If in your journey you should encounter God, God will be cut."

In "Vol. 2," she meets another Asian legend, the warrior master Pai Mei, played by Gordon Liu with voice dubbed by Tarantino; he also choreographed the fights for Tarantino. Pai Mei, who lives on the top of a high, lonely hill reached by climbing many stairs, was Bill's master, and in a flashback, Bill delivers his protege for training. Pai Mei is a harsh and uncompromising teacher, and the Bride (whose real name, by the way, is Beatrix Kiddo) sheds blood during their unrelenting sessions.

Pai Mei, whose hair and beard are long and white and flowing, like a character from the pages of a comic book, is another example of Tarantino's method, which is to create lovingly structured episodes that play on their own while contributing to the legend. Like a distillation of all wise, ancient and deadly martial arts masters in countless earlier movies, Pai Mei waits patiently for eons on his hilltop until he is needed for a movie.

The training with Pai Mei, we learn, prepared The Bride to begin her career with Bill ("jetting around the world making vast sums of money and killing for hire"wink, and is inserted in this movie at a time and place that makes it function like a classic cliffhanger. In setting up this scene, Tarantino once again pauses for colorful dialogue; The Bride is informed by Bill that Pai Mei hates women, whites and Americans, and much of his legend is described. Such speeches function in Tarantino not as long-winded detours, but as a way of setting up characters and situations with dimensions it would be difficult to establish dramatically.

In the action that takes place "now," The Bride has to fight her way past formidable opponents, including Elle Driver (Daryl Hannah), the one-eyed master of martial arts, and Budd (Michael Madsen), Bill's beer-swilling brother, who works as a bouncer in a strip joint and lives in a mobile home surrounded by desolation. Neither one is a pushover for The Bride -- Elle because of her skills (also learned from Pai Mei), Budd because of his canny instincts.

The showdown with Budd involves a sequence where it seems The Bride must surely die after being buried alive. (That she does not is a given, considering the movie is not over and Bill is not dead, but she sure looks doomed.) Tarantino, who began the film in black and white before switching to color, plays with formats here, too; to suggest the claustrophobia of being buried, he shows The Bride inside her wooden casket, and as clods of earth rain down on the lid, he switches from widescreen to the classic 4x3 screen ratio.

The fight with Elle Driver is a virtuoso celebration of fight choreography; although we are aware that all is not as it seems in movie action sequences, Thurman and Hannah must have trained long and hard to even seem to do what they do. Their battle takes place inside Budd's trailer home, which is pretty much demolished in the process, and provides a contrast to the elegant nightclub setting of the fight with O-Ren Ishii; it ends in a squishy way that would be unsettling in another kind of movie, but here all the action is so ironically heightened that we may cringe and laugh at the same time.

These sequences involve their own Tarantinian dialogue of explanation and scene-setting. Budd has an extended monologue in which he offers The Bride the choice of Mace and a flashlight, and the details of his speech allow us to visualize horrors worse than any we could possibly see. Later, The Bride produces a black mamba snake, and in a sublime touch, reads from a Web page that describes the snake's deadly powers.

Of the original "Kill Bill," I wrote: "The movie is all storytelling and no story. The motivations have no psychological depth or resonance, but are simply plot markers. The characters consist of their characteristics." True, but one of the achievements of "Vol. 2" is that the story is filled in, the characters are developed, and they do begin to resonate, especially during the extraordinary final meeting between The Bride and Bill -- which consists not of nonstop action but of more hypnotic dialogue and ends in an event that is like a quiet, deadly punch line.

Put the two parts together, and Tarantino has made a masterful saga that celebrates the martial arts genre while kidding it, loving it, and transcending it. I confess I feared that "Vol. 2" would be like those sequels that lack the intensity of the original.

But this is all one film, and now that we see it whole, it's greater than its two parts; Tarantino remains the most brilliantly oddball filmmaker of his generation, and this is one of the best films of the year.

gtsecc
You all know I didn't not really write that.
Rober Ebert did, and I think he explains why these are great films better than I ever could.

just_guy
i like roeper better than ebert personally but he's alright

roundisfunny
Mr. Blond (without the "e"wink died...Ebert, you dumb bastard.

Fire
round no name calling stick out tongue

KB is great on so many levels, but you have to know what they are before watching the movie and before you can learn to appreciate it

killthesunlight
BUT! did Mr. Blond really die? i mean he was shot, but it never said he was "dead". he could very well be still alive

lil bitchiness
Many people who didnt like Kill Bill either warent fans of Tarantino or they went to see it with their mind already set on the fact its going to be shit.

Some people just didnt like the film because tis not their thing, but people who love this kind of thing mostly loved the movie. Its great by the way, absolutely fantastic smile

Samas-adian
Ebert's comment was more about humour than actually observation.

Spotless Mind
Ho-ho.

I'm not a fan of Tarantino. I mean I hadn't been till saw the movie. You know I did a right thing going to cinema without my friend and my girl. The movie is just amazing. But it is also very personal. You may take it as a nice trash movie and you will probably like it playing that way (that the reason why people thought the 2nd volume sucked-- they wanted trash). But actually it's not. It's all about many things that happens on the third planet counting from the sun. And the movie is outstanding. It really stands aside from any other movie you will take. Hope, you get that.

WindDancer
There is a ton of reasons why I love this movie with a passion. I'll keep this rather brief: First, the music of the film. I been a fan of Spaghetti Westerns since I was in my teens. I admired all the great actors of Italiano Westerns movies like Franco Nero, Tomas Milan, Terrence Hill, and more. Vol 2 is pack with music from that particular genre and for me this is a great treat! Listening to the music captivated me during the film.

Second, the dialogue of KB kept me into the story. I was in awe while listening to Bill's Superman metaphor. I seen the movie 5 times yet I can't quite remenber the speech word by word. But inside of me I just want to hear it over and over again. Another great dialogue occurs with Elle and Bud. I won't get much into that cuz of the spoliers.

Third, The characters of the movie. Pai Mei, The bride, Bill, Elle, and the rest are fun to watch. But what I like the most is that despite their incredible skills they are as human as the rest of us. Take a look at the bride for example. The bride is a deadly killer yet she is change forever when she discovers she will be a mother. She would perform any deadly assigment for Bill. Once she became pregnant. All that change for her. Now her main assingment is to care of her child

That's pretty much it. I could make it more, but I rather keep short. smile

skribblez101
I was just reading Ebert's review and I was confused when I read this part. I thought that Elle Driver was the one who planted the black mamba snake in the suitcase with Budd's money. And that she was the one who sat down and read to him the description of the black mamba snake that she got from the Internet.

gtsecc
Yes! I noticed that also. I wonder if Ebert got confused (unlikely) or saw a different edit of the movie.

Myth
I bet he just slipped up. He probably meant Elle but accidently said the Bride.

sarahvma
Here's the bottom line: people who aren't fans of Tarantino just. don't. get. it. That's the problem. You either love him or you hate him. This movie isn't supposed to be filled with emotion - it's his tribute to Kung Fu, which are supposed to be devoid of story and emotion. The second one is more classic Tarantino (I liked it better) but it's a good warning to always say: Clear your mind of any real knowledge of logic or your average action flick - AND PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE F'ING DIALOGUE!!! It is the most annoying thing in the world when people talk through his dialogue in PF and RD...

Samas-adian
Yeah he probably got mixed up.
But hey, ebert reviews like 20 movies a week...give him a break.

gambit88
yea he deserves a break every now and then but i still havn't seen the kill bill movies so i can't have an oppinion yet

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