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Could someone just give me an estimate. Considering that Movie 8 occured around the same time the Z fighters had trained to battle Cell, was Ultra SSJ Brolly(When he got really muscular) more powerful than the second incarnation of Cell after he detonated himself and returned (see poll above). I think Brolly may have been stronger but just voice your opinions on it.

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I think Brolly's power rose continually. You see Brolly is the legendary Saiya-jin who was born with a power level of 10,000. When he does his full transformation (really muscular) his hair turns slightly green and his power won't stop rising. So I'm not sure anyone ever estimated his power. But I've never watched the movie so I don't know for sure

Cell was much Stronger than Cell, here are afew reasons why........


If your talking all this Brolly thing based on Movie 8.......

OK, Brolly could reach USSJ in that movie and Goku beat him. In tha Movie Goku was a SSJ and he could make it to USSJ..But while goku goes USSJ it slows him down what he doesnt like.

The Brolly movie 8 was taken place before or at the same time as Cell as on Earth, When Goku fighted Cell he couldnt Win and Goku Lost. So Gohan Fighted him and he turned SSJ2 and he easyily beat Cell,

So There is no way that Brolly could of beaten Cell.

Trunks went USSJ just like brolly did and Trunks lost, Brolly would have been stronger but he still would of lost because of all of Cells ablities

Okay I think there are TOO many DBZ threads, this isn't an DBZ forum this is just a general anime forum, you can discuss it in one forum.

50,000 at final count, estimately speaking.

SS: 5,000
SS2: 10,000
SS3: 25,000
SS4 and beyond: 50,000...

Why do I even bother???

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I don't know, why do you?

dunno, i didnt really think they still talk bout tht in DBZ/GT, i know maby in Z they sued to talk like that saying whats His power level because they have that Eye thing what they could look throght and tell

i dont think so. when they fought brolly nobody was ss2. they were jus plain super sayian. plus brolly would be far slower than cell.

Broly has the Ability to Max Out Everything, His Speed, Strength Etc....
Say for Example when he goes SSJ2 He can have Maxed out Speed as Well as Power. When Goku Goes SSJ2 He is Very Slow But very Powerfull.

And BTW in the Cell Saga Gohan Does not Go SSJ2 But he is an Assended Super Saiyan.

Lol he does Go SSJ2, They clearly Say in many episodes that he goes SSJ2 againts Cell, And Brolly never when SSJ2, Brolly only went up2 USSJ.

Omg, When u go SSJ2 Anyway u get Max Speed and Power.
When You Go USSJ Like Brolly did he has the SSJ2 Power but doesnt have the Speed Because of the Size of which ur muscles are at when you Go USSJ, so when u go USSJ theres really no advantage exept power.

Goku Explanes all this When he goes USSJ and he didnt like it because it Slows him down when hes fighting.

Brolly cant Max out all the stuff u said, The only thing special about him was that he was Born with a Powerlevel greater that all the others. At thae Time he was strong but now hes nothing, And what do you Mean Goku was Slow in SSJ2? ur getting confused Between USSJ and SSJ2


I suggest u watch some episodes again

There are way too many DBZ threads in this forum. But I'm guessing Broly was a bit weaker then Perfect Cell.

Vegeta is the maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

lol brolly cool

Theres nothing cool about a half-assed moron that was only made for money that screams "Kakorotto" every 20 seconds.

His powerlevel?

Any SSj2 >>>>>>>>>>> Brolly >> Any Pre-Buu Saga SSj

brolley stinks

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The Brolly Movies was mainly around all the Cell sagas to the start of the Buu saga.

A strong SSJ could take down Brolly, a SSJ2 couldnt eadily take down him easily as you said

you really think so

An USSJ does NOT have the same amount of power as a SSJ2, a SSJ2 is a lot more powerful. When Gohan went SJJ2 he could easily kick Broly butt.

cool

When You go USSJ Your power increases to a SSJ2 But your mucles go bigger and that slows them down

Freddy_vs_Jason


when did gohan go ssj2 and beat brolly, i really want to know................................................

Actually, it doesn't. Remember how SSJ2 Gohan, at HALF power, still was able to kill Super Perfect Cell(Cell after he came back from exploding)? Compared to USSJ Trunks, who was only stronger because Perfect Cell was holding back during that ENTIRE fight. How could USSJ be the same as SSJ2 if that's the case?

SSJ2 >>>>>>> USSJ.

Yes we all know that?

...Yet just two posts earlier, you said that USSJ was as strong as SSJ2, when it is DEFINITELY not. That's the reasoning for my entire post up there.

You people do know theres no point in comparing the movies with the show as the movies didnt tie in with the show in any way. Its not like before the Cell games they all went and fought Brolly.
Also USSJ only increased their strength tremendously but it slowed them down a lot. SSJ 2 was a way of getting round that by making them super fast but only increasing their strength a little making a SSJ2 not much stronger than an USSJ. Trunks could have beat cell if he was faster, but he wasnt wich is why gohan wooped cell, cause he was to fast for him.

Actually, Cell was holding back the ENTIRE time, even when he wasn't buffed up. And also, you have to notice that SSJ2 Gohan DEMOLISHED him, even when he was completely powered up after being buffed up, and then again at HALF power, when Cell was STRONGER then he was buffed up. Yet Trunks couldn't even beat him when he was holding back in his buff form, while USSJ.

agreed.

You know those few episodes were Gohans finest hour. He put the fear of GOD into Cell before having to lose the use of one arm and half his power in saving the Z fighters most consistant punching bag Vegeta.

lol its so funny when vegeta always gets the crap kicked outta him, i find it funny how he goes in all guns blazing, thiniking he can take anyone and with in 5 mins he's eating the floor, funny

Well, this time he already knew that he couldn't do anything against Cell...He just went all out because Trunks was killed by him. A lot of people would do the same thing.

lol did i specify a certain time? i was meaning like with Freiza, Android 18, imperfect cell then turned perfect, Majin Buu. I did not mean when he got totaly pissed off when cell shot trunks through the chest, not killing him.

Well, true as that is, the specific time that was being talked about was during the Cell Games...Oh, and Trunks was most definitely killed. It was a dub line that he wasn't. In the original, there was a hole, straight through, no doubt that he was dead or not.

NO!! Brolli was not even close to Cell, cell could hit Brolli once and kill him...lol.....if SSJ Goku could beat him, at the level that he was at then Cell would rape Brolli, So would Super saiyan 2 Gohan, or even goku at the time of cell for that matter

actually i think that all 4 saiyans would be able to beat brolli no prop if they fought him when they were fighting cell, and so would cell

and (i forget who it was) but someone said that the movies and the show have no comparison, they arnt related, so its not really relivent.....

oh and who said that a super saiyan power level was 50,000......????

ummm Frieza power was like 12, 000, 000 (million) and SSJ goku was like 15, 000, 000 when he was fighting frieza

((The_Anomaly)) yeah dude ur totaly right, Brolly wouldnt on even had a chance. Im not sure of the time In the TV series which the First Brolly movie was released tho, I think It was during the Andriods sagas, im not sure all i kno was Future Trunks was there and i dunno when he came into the TV series.

The movies all seem to coincide with a saga or so(for example, the Tree of Life coincides with Vegeta's coming, while Deadzone coincides with Raditz.) I'm relatively sure that Brolly's movie coincides with the Cell Saga.

Those are merely estimated numbers, no real numbers were ever given in that fight.

You are insulting the one man I worship! ;p

If u take into consideration the 2nd BROLLY movie, where brolly must take on Gohan, then at this point Gohan is a ssj2(because it is after the cell saga).Even at ssj2 Gohan couldnt beat Brolly on his own...and got woooopED....so therefore Brolly must be Stronger than a SSJ2?

Yes that is very true mate,I think the brolly 2 Movie was at the time before the World Torament Saga, which just just before Buu, SO Brolly must have been Stronger than a SSJ2 in the normal state

Oh my Fu*cking GOD, how stupid is this Kid, admin if u there please kick him because of his stupid posts......


FS, is the second brolly movie gohan went SSJ2 and he still couldnt beat Brolly in his normal state and when he went SSJ also, they had no chance againts Brolly. And they why do u go and say a Dumb thin like that? Cell could hot brolly once and kill him, fs grow up

His Kid really hasnt seen any of the movies, Im getting tired of this

Wrong. He did NOT go SSJ2 in the movie. The hair does spike up nearly as much. You can tell the difference between the two because of how he transforms in the World Tournament, and he's DEFINITELY an SSJ. It's a plothole that he DIDN'T go SSJ2, but seeing as Brolly was shown to be quite capable of beating SSJ's, that part DOES make sense. What doesn't make sense is that Gohan and Goten combined could both beat Brolly, which doesn't make any sense at all, but that is another plot hole of the movie that has to be accepted.

In the first movie, Brolly doesn't represent Cell, as so many people think. The movies do not take place in the same universe as the DBZ anime we all know of, which explains why so many things are parallel, but couldn't actually happen during DBZ(Ex. Raditz-Garlic Jr(The Garlic Jr. Saga in DBZ was FILLER), Nappa + Vegeta-Turles, Bojack-Cell, etc). Brolly represents Androids 17 + 18. Remember when Android 18 demolished SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Mirai Trunks? It's pretty much the same case as with Brolly, except he does it to 4 SSJs, which could happen in exactly the same manner if both 17 and 18 fought SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Trunks, SSJ Goku, and SSJ Gohan.

Now, Vegeta and Trunks were NOT USSJ when fighting Brolly the first time. They had no reason to train, because the Androids never existed, nor did Cell(If either of them did, would Goku and Chichi, and hundreds of other parents be wasting their time trying to get their kids into a prestigious school? I think not.) Trunks being there, of course, is merely to parallel the Android Saga. It's never explained why he's there, when it's so obvious that there's no real reason for him to be there since both the Androids and Cell never showed up. Another thing is that Goku and Gohan aren't both Super Saiyans at all times, which means that they aren't FPSSJs, which coupled with the facts above, means it could not have taken place in the 10 days. Now, you be wondering why Gohan is SSJ if that's true. Well, think of it this way: Since it takes place in an alternate universe, and there was no Cell/Android threat, wouldn't Goku at least try to spend the time to teach Gohan SSJ? I mean, he is his son, and evidently he already knows that a Half Saiyan can go SSJ, which suggests that he did indeed teach Gohan to become SSJ in that universe.

Seeing as the Androids nor Cell exist, none of the Saiyans really have any reason to train *really hard*, in comparison to their training whenever there is peace time, which means that they would be at, or below their Android Saga strength. Therefore, they wouldn't be NEARLY strong enough to take on Androids. Cell is completely out of the question, even in his Imperfect Form. And because Brolly represents the Androids, their beating from him makes perfect sense. The thing that doesn't make sense is how Goku could *suddenly* come up with enough strength to beat him, even with the energy of a few *weakened* SSJs, and Piccolo. That's one big plothole right there.

Now, as for the second movie, the fact that Brolly could beat Gohan's SSJ doesn't mean all that much. At that point, Goku's dead(from something...), and Gohan hasn't done much of ANY training, as with the 7 years of peace after the Cell saga. So if anything, it's weaker than his SSJ when fighting Brolly the first time. Goten is only a bit below at the time(shown when Goten fights Gohan, and Gohan is forced to fly away from Goten, as he's having a hard time fighting him when their both SSJ, suggesting that Goten *could* be close to his strength in SSJ at the time). Again, the plothole from this movie is how *TWO* SSJs could beat him, when four couldn't(even though one who got mysteriously super energized could do it at the same time...Damn plot holes).

In his last movie, he get's beaten by water. The wuss.

I don't think anyone cares about his power level

Cizal im getting everything thats your saying, But from the TV time line didnt that look so much like What happened before the world tornament Saga? Goku not being there ect ? Videl under Gohans Love. Afew things tho what did confuse me like why didnt he go SSJ2 ?

And we know Brollys power Didnt really increase after the First Film because of What Gohan said when he first sensed him. Im sure there has to be some connection because of the release dates of the movies when they first came out in japan. Because as the second Brolly film came out it was at the time as they were first showing The Episodes before the Tornament Saga. They did that for all the Movies, So they first showed DBZmovie1, when they first aired the Dragonball Saga. So even if its not conencted, They might of tryed.

And In the First Brolly movie, Trunks was there why was he there if Cell wasnt around?

I think Brolly was Very Strong, Much stronger than a USSJ but abit less than a SSJ2, im not sure. Remember when he got trapped in the lava? he totaly went inside it, any normal sayian would have died, but he came out fine

Like I said, it's essentially an alternate universe. It may take some things from the anime, but that's only because Toei is REALLY unimaginative(Ex. Bebi: Regenerating enemy AGAIN...Super 17: Do I REALLY need to say anything?), and people need to be familiar with it. Gohan not going SSJ2 was A) a Plothole(most likely choice), or B) He was overconfident.

They did try to make it happen at the same time, which is why I mentioned the alternate universe thing, with Raditz=Garlic Jr from Dead Zone, Brolly=Androids 18+17, 2nd iteration=something random to make it coincide with the World Tournament. They want to try and have it coincide with events in the anime, but there's no REAL way that they can fit in the anime timeline.

The same reason he was there in Movie 9, where Gohan first goes SSJ2(in the movie timeline). Trunks was there in the anime when they fought the Androids, therefore he was in when they fought Brolly. Trunks was there in the anime when they fought Cell, therefore he was there when they fought Bojack. Speaking of that, it makes less sense for Trunks to be in Movie 9 than in Movie 8. I mean, there's just a random Tournament that takes place in Movie 9, and for some inane reason(to coincide with the anime, of course), Trunks is there, when he REALLY has no business being there at ALL.

Well, if you're going to go by the Toei stuff, Goku also went into lava when he FIRST turned SSJ.

Now, Brolly wasn't stronger than an USSJ. OMG, blasphemy, right? Well, look at it from the alternate universe thing again. He coincided with the Androids, who had more than enough power to demolish the normal SSJs. Then look at Vegeta in USSJ, who is SLAUGHTERING Semi-Perfect Cell, who was not only stronger after he absorbed the humans, but also absorbed of the said Androids. And you must also remember that even USSJ Vegeta could rip off half of PERFECT Cell's chest area with his Final Flash. Now, following said alternate universe logic, Brolly is as strong as the Androids combined, who are much weaker than Semi-Perfect Cell.

Brolly would be destroyed by an USSJ. Though he could probably put up a semi-decent fight if it was against Goku.

oh right, cheers, It makes so sense in my head now. I like to ducess things like this.


If anyone else has anything more to say plz post

we all know that brolly is the strongest becouse his power level gets stronger everytime goku touches him, only reason goku beat him is becouse all of the z warriors gave there power to him, after he kick all there ass*s at the same time maxed ssj. if u watched the japanese movies ull understand more then being a *****n clueless retard sayin sh*t tottaly opposite, no one can beat brolly. his power level is 10,00 when he was born and grows everytime he fights goku, and goku is the strongest z fighter ? even f brolly went to GT or AF hed still be the strongest no question asked. only way brolly can be beaten is by gogeta,vegetto ss4 b\c in AF brolly can go SS4. once u newbs know the story dont post bullsh*t

Brolly does not go ssj or ssj2 or even uss he goes however lss2 which pwns all so stfu u god dam newbs suck my dick im the creator of mother ****ing dbz so stfu o and why trunks is there is b/c he wanted to see vegeta u ****ing noobs his dad is dead in his time line god dam boons


as u all know it dont really matter if anyones ssj1 or ssj2 brolly is the legendary super saiyan and the ****ing bullshit with the ssj1 2 and 3 has nothingto do with it ive watched videos of brolly kicking goku ssj3's ass up and down the god damn screen. brlly is always the strongest person in dbz if u havnt noticed theyve never killed him only bought time to run brolly is just as strong as goku or vegeta ssj3-4 when hes ulss2 its the fact that hes that stage.

lss2 is not his max he finds out in af that he can go up to ulss4 witch makes his power level like 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 hes the legend and is meant to be the god of all saiyans.

if u wanna ****ing argue with me do ****in research and find out urself .

I don't think I've ever seen a guy that was such a Brolly fanboy. Face it, Brolly's a damned weakling.

omFG after reading those last posts ive been cracking up so hard

ROFL LMAO


the ssj1 2 and 3 has nothingto do with it ive watched videos of brolly kicking goku ssj3's ass up and down the god damn screen. brlly is always the strongest person in dbz if u havnt noticed theyve never killed him only bought time to run brolly is just as strong as goku or vegeta ssj3-4 when hes ulss2 its the fact that hes that stage.

you can laugh all u want to if u watch the japanese versions ull see everything , english versions dont show hardly anything.

The English versions HAVE the subbed versions, uncut, if you haven't noticed. They're EXACTLY the same as the original, and the animation is EXACTLY the same, just like with EVERY OTHER thing that FUNi brings over here. You're just wrong.

Legendary Super Saiyan:
This form is very similar to Super Saiyan 3rd Grade (Ultra Super Saiyan), but is not the same. In this form Broly's muscle mass increases greatly, but he does not suffer any loss of speed. This form is actually closer to Super Saiyan 2, but is not that either due to the muscle increase.


form brolly used and pwned z fighters thxs newbs

He was beaten by an SSJ though. An SSJ, no matter WHO(unless it's a fusion) CANNOT beat an SSJ2. You STILL have no idea what you're talking about. Get a damned clue before you do something else stupid.

i been watching the whole series sence it first came out read all the manga's and every thing brolly pwns all so stfu u noob

I really doubt that. All you've shown me is that you have no idea what you're talking about, and you didn't even pay attention to the movie, much less the anime.

And tell me this, oh omnipotent one. Which Buu is the strongest?

kid no shit thats a easy one



unless ur gone say ubuu witch was the reincanation of buu as a human witch is wrong sorry cause he becomes good

Cizal dont listen to this Dumb Kid, hes prob about 12 and thinks he knows everything, i very mutch dout to be honest that hes even see the Brolly movies by the way hes talking, I bet hes just seen Pics and thorght he looks the best and strongest

You just proved that you have NO idea what you're talking about. You said you read the manga, correct? The manga itself states that Super Buu 3 is the strongest, and that Kid Buu is merely the most insane. Either you don't pay attention in the least, or you're just lying. Either way, as your name implies, you must hate yourself worst of all.

Lol, kids.............*Sigh*

Im just watching part of DBZ movie 10 again, and i keep noticeing now powerful brolly really is with his powers, But 1 thing got me thinking.


When Brolly first came outa the Water and Videl was there, Brolly went to attack Videl and he punched Her and she easily dodged it, Then she bounced back into the water doing some kool lil flying tricks as he got thrown back.


So if that is taken place near the world torney saga shouldnt she b new to all that flying stuff becos Gohan just taught her that, he did it so well and skilled... hmm, u have to watch it and then u will see what i mean.

brolly maybe be more powerful than ss2 but he is slower. remeber when trunks went all ascended on perfect cell? he was stronger but slower. so cell would serve brolly up somthin feirce.

...Did you even read the topic, Bardock?

It's another plothole. Videl, no matter whether she knows how to fly or not, shouldn't be able to even think without having Brolly make her explode. And besides, she figured how to fly well by herself after Gohan taught her how to actually do it.

yeah but she seemed to dodge brollys punch realll easy :P

im so sorry for all u **** that think im 12 im god dam 19 so **** off and get a real life super buu is not stronger than kid buu



Super Kid Majin Buu
This is Buu's true form. After Goku and Vegeta removed every one Buu had absorbed he returned to his original form. He now has nothing to hold back his power, and he is far stronger than even SSJ3 Goku and even gogeta.


ok the japanese have more episodes so there u go it shows a lot more specific details than in the us versions


u know what i just went and looked it up the strongest form is
Majuub
In DBGT Uub fuses with Fat Buu and gains his ability to turns anything into chocolate along with Fat Buu's other moves of course. He fires his turn into chocolate move at Baby Vegeta and lets Baby turn the move back on Majuub turning him into chocolate instead. Little did Baby know Majuub is strong enough to reverse this and starts powering up inside Baby!

u want to argu that no so stfu
http://www.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Info/Transformations/Transformations-Buu.htm

I'll simply post this thread to show that you're a damned idiot.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=293428&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Just because a website says something doesn't mean it's right. The manga is the Number 1 source of facts, and it says that Kid Buu is the third weakest, above Evil Buu and Mr. Buu. All other Buu's are stronger than him. Look in the topic before you try and argue that.

To all DBZ fans:

I'm allowing this thread to be open so that you guys can continue to discuss the original topic. I won't merged this poll with the Official DBZ thread because it will messed up the current discussion in that thread. Please dispute your opinions without any insults or personal attacks. If this continues the thread will be close.

Thank you for reading this message.

-WD

look im getting a little pissed with arguing with newbs u said that kid was at first then some one said super buu and u changed over to super buu u do not know ****ing shit noob

and fyi thats in a post not a ****ing website thouse are people's openions they do not have facts about what they are trying to prove so stfu noob

That site doesn't say ANYWHERE that Kid Buu is the strongest. Anyway, saying that he's the strongest suggests at least two things. A) He gets WEAKER by absorbing people, which is damned ridiculous(Super Buu was getting owned by Gohan, so he wanted to get WEAKER so he could beat Gohan, which he was doing? BS), and B) That his ORIGINAL form is the strongest, simply because it showed up last, which doesn't make sense. Semi-Perfect Cell was shown after Gohan hit Perfect Cell a few times, does that make him stronger than Perfect Cell? Hell no.

This website does have facts. It tells about the Buu's, EXCEPT FOR their strengths in comparison to one another. You still have no proof, while those posts DO bring in MUCH more proof, INCLUDING a manga scan, which you haven't even ever READ. Manga facts are above ALL other facts, since the manga is the one and original. The manga says that Super Buu 3(with Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo) is the strongest, and that Kid Buu is only stronger than Evil Buu(Fat Buu's strength and evil in a physical form) and Mr. Buu(Fat Buu's good side, has Dai Kaioshin and South Kaioshin inside of him).

Give up. You're wrong.

Hmm, I don't remember ANY Buu facing Gogeta, only SSJ2 Vegetto(Base Vegetto vs Super Buu 3 was filler)...I don't even remember seeing that in the site's description of Kid Buu. Making stuff up now, eh? You fail at life.

Cizel Dude, dont even bother with him, He knws nothing, All he wants us to do is to keep writing stuff out to him, Hes just a Loney Attention Seaker

Eh, I haven't got too much else to do, really. It's getting late over here, and I'm always up for a little noob-pwning.

Ok i have posted this in another thread and will post it here again.
Easy way to see wich buu is the strongest, its super buu or buu 3 if u wanna call him that.
Ok so,
Buu 3- Gohan, piccolo, trunks and goten
Kid buu - original buu, insane, kid like.

Why did Goku and vegeta fuse to beat buu 3? because goku knew going ssj3 wouldnt be enough to defeat him. He even proved this when he tried it.
Kid buu, goku was evenly matched with him at ssj3 and could of defeated him if he wasnt holding back so vegeta could have a go at him. Very simple answer, yes?
Thats all, buu3 was stronger than kid buu. Hope u can understand that "ihatedumbpeople".

i wuld agree with that, it only makes sence....i mean he had piccolo, gohan and gotenks (well gotenks for a bit) yea, super buu/gohan was the strongest of all the buu's, its just kid buu was friggin insane

Ssj3 goku is evenly match ? yea right he got his but stomped thats why the next episode was called Vegeta's Respect so he could by goku some time to do the spirit bomb

#265.0: Vegeta's Respect
When Super Saiyan 3 Goku collapses from exhaustion, Vegeta has to step in and fight. But in no time, Vegeta himself is felled! And just as Majin Buu is about to deliver the death blow, a rejuvenated Goku rejoins the fight and saves him. Astounded by his greatness, the Saiyan Prince pays a moving tribute to his long-time rival!


proof-> dragonballz.com

SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu. This is even STATED. You can't deny it. Goku just loses energy a LOT faster because A) He's not dead anymore, and isn't used to how it takes so much energy to use SSJ3 at that point, and B) Because it's such a strong transformation. Hell, even GOTENKS fell out of SSJ3 against Super Buu, even though he was about to kill him at that time. You're fighting a losing battle, and not even using proof. Plus, you make up stuff, which also makes you look dumb.

Ihatedumbpeople u r a fukin retard.
The only reason Goku lost was because he was letting the fight drag on so vegeta could have a shot. Goku says this when vegeta says he doesnt stand a chance against buu. He then asks him if he can defeat him he then says he could have but he let the fight drag on so vegeta could have a go at him, almsot exact words. But he wasnt dead anymore so its harder for him to gather the energy he needed, hence why they used a spirit bomb.
God, who is realy the "noob".

i kno hes so DumB

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