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which is your favorite LOTR (Middle Earth) battle? which you choose and why?

im gonna steal saurons answer and say the Dagor Dagrath (spelt it exa's way)

because everyone is in it and everyone dies except me

sorry but the other post didnt have a poll this one will. what is your favorite.

nah don't narrow it just to LoTR there isn't enough battles there's only really 3

i have a new thread of this, i forgot to click yes for poll go there, sorry for the inconvenience

Other lol

please reply in this thread instead of the other.

If it's only these options... I choose the Battle of Fornost

Though it wasn't Wiki vs Gondor but Wiki vs Arnor ... nevertheless it has Wiki in it - and he wins! - so I shall vote for this one ^^

Though the Battle of Dagorlad is also great

The battle of Five Armies was great!

But in the film - I guess Pelennor fields(the one outside Gondor right?). *drools*

who voted for helms deep?

Oops, my bad. Is it Fornost? The battle outside Gondor?

Ah, screw it, I'm voting for the Five Armies!

i would say either

last alliance- i fight and am defeated but i take the elven king of whom the harpers sadly sing and elendil down with me

i would say battle of unnumbered tears for the same reason exa did

i would say the five armies because the main character is knocked out by a rock and thorin dies.

but i must say my favourite middle earth battle of all time would have to be...

Frodo versus Sam!!!!!!!!!!!!

"GO HOME!!!!!!!"

Just battles or can we also include some fights between two people only?

For battles:

Most exciting battle, for me, would have to be The Fall of Gondolin from The Book of Lost Tales II. Great build up to the battle as the troops marshal themselves to fight the Balrogs, dragons, and the waves of orcs. Lovely individual fight scenes - Ecthelion vs. the Balrog, e.g. The descriptions of this battle in the Book of Lost Tales II was better than that in The Silmarillion, IMO.

Because of the huge scope, many heroic deeds, and tragic events and final stands, I would also go with Nirnaeth Arnoediad. It seemed to be a great victory, but turned out to be the greatest and the final loss of the Noldor. And it shows greatly the deeds of Hurin Thalion and his brother Huor and the Men of Dor-lomin. It was so well crafted, with tragedy, valor, bravery, friendship and horror mixing perfectly in their limited descriptions in The Silmarillion.

The War of the Last Alliance. Man, that battle rocked! Wasn't the host of Men and Elves the most magnificent since the host of Nirnaeth Arnoediad? The coolest thing-they won. Nirnaeth Arnoediad was lost, Dagor Bragollach was lost, but this was the battle that shaped the future of Middle-earth til its end-and it was won, and decisively. True, Sauron did regain much of his former strength, but lost it in the blink of an eye once Gollum fell into the Crack of Doom.

The Dagor Dagrath (LOL..I'll join with Exa, you'll never get wrong ) I'm always having some goosebumps whenever I read the Prophecy of the Last Battle. And of course, The End of the World is always awesome.

As for the most thoroughly crafted battle, I would have to say it is the Battle of the Pelennor Fields. It's not because it was the biggest or the scariest or anything like that, it's just because of the major events that happened within. There are so many different angles (the Ride of the Rohirrim, Faramir retreating from Osgiliath, the coming of Aragorn, the battle of Merry and Eowyn against the Witch King, Gandalf's various deeds, etc.), all brought together by an overwhelming sense of grim resolve and dire hopelessness. I was compelled with Gandalf saying that the whole battle was just a destruction, and the real battle was with two Hobbits, out there alone.

For just the fights:

I liked the fight between Sauron and Felagund. Not so much the actual fight, but the idea. A song-fight? I might actually win!

Gandalf vs The Balrog was immense! It went on and on until Gandalf finally struck down his foe. Full of tension, I'm hyperventilating again!

The fight between Fingolfin and Morgoth. 'Nuff said.

But the best fight would be...the one fight we never really get to see...the one that went on in Frodo's mind against the Ring.

no mention of sauron fighting one on two with galad and elendil

Sauron, I wasn't really compelled with that fight. Sorry.

but it was one on two!

one! on TWO!!!

the plenor feilds and helms deep are my two favorites, but i picked plenor fields cause they got the ringwraiths

but they are wraiths on wings

arent you a frim horrors on horses fan?

my fav battle is \helms Deep

Pellennor Fields was great, visuallyDagorlad was also great. There were some many battles and they all were great (expect the dwarves and orcs wars, they're not too important)

I chose Pellenor fields, of course baby!

although the battle of the last alliance was fairly kick ass. The war of wrath sounds great

if all those battles were to be put on film i believe that the full battle battle, Dagorlad would be the best battle, but on film of course is the Battle of Pelennor.

Who died in the 5th battle of beleriand. I got Huor, and Azaghal and know that Hurin was captured. Who else died in the battle. (besides thousands of men and elves and dwarfs)

ah, I am not up-to-date with that chapter as of late

ask Exa would be my best guess but I am sure it would be some high dude in the Edain

i forgot about Fingon. He got killed too. Also, some easterlings were killed, but they're not important

ah thats right, Fingon

in that case it must be near chapter 18/19?

Uhm.. datz very difficult... Pellenor Fields, that's great, because you see how much they love Gondor and Rohan, and all that.. well, I cried in this scene, (well, I cried in the hole movie, so... ) uh... the battle at the gates of mordor was amazing... (I love this movie soo much) Aragorns speech in front of the gates was so wonderful, in this scene, my hole body was fascinated... it was ingenious...
I was 12 hours in a theater, at a Lord of the Rings - night... the room was full with fans... I really enjoyed it...

yea.. bbye

(sorry for my English, but I'm a young Swiss girl... )

Angie

i liked the battle at the end of rotk it was cool

the battle of the black gate kind of wasnt shown enough, as the climax moment of frodo and sam's journey was happening at the same time and the movie shown more of Sam and Frodo....

Aragorn and the troll was a bit weird though, the troll "could" have killed him in mere seconds

i know but it was good rather fetching aswell.... it was near the end of the movie which meant it had finished and i didn't want it to finish

at the black gate Cyn?

In the Nirnaeth Arnediad

ah right,

Pelennor Fields is like an improved version of Helm's deep. I like them both almost equally nevertheless.

not really, ringwraiths wern't there.....they didnt sling catapults of rocks back and forth, trolls wern't there, oliphunts wern't there, a charge of two allies didnt take place

Discos - even though it was the same place in New Zealand

^ you're right. They torn down Helm's Deep and added Minas Tirith.

lol I know thats what I was hinting, said it in a documentary i watched

Discos - or was it the second disc on the dvd

lets just say this the battle at the black gate was too short. And if the other climax wasnt playing at that time and we saw that battle more, it may have been one of the best.

The Black Gate battle was a minor battle even in the book, although the mouth of sauron scene was cut out.

even if minor, if they for some odd reason there wasnt a frodo climax and they let us see the battle for the battle it would have been a good, one

yeah the mouth of sauron scene shall be awesome in the EE

it seemed that Mount Doom was veryvery closer to Bara-a-dur than it appeared in the two towers and also on the plaisn of Gorgoroth where sam and frodo were. Also they seem fairly space apart according to maps i have seen

i was somewhat hoping the DVD give us a month to which the EE is to be released, but instead we get nothing, only hint i got was coming this holiday season on a coupon, and the mag w/ the dvd said before christmas, too far away if u ask me

the battle of the five armies would be interesting if it were filmed, ive always wanted to see a army of dwarves fight, charging.

the witch king 1 jus cuz legolas kicked ass wit the elephant n a girl killed da bad dud.

i agree bloom!becuz,legolas is just too hot there!

What does Legolas have to do with the Witchking ( pray )? You mean the whole battle of Pelennor? 'twas great
But I still prefer the Last Alliance

damn I hate these shortened words......even more so on the bleeding internet

its a big fight in the most part between Pelennor Fields and Dagorlad (last alliance)

... though most people that only know the film voted for Pelennor.

Interestingly there are also several votes for the wars of Angmar against Arnor around Fornost

still very surprised there are very few votes for the last alliance, there are alot of Fornost votes, somewhat surprising.

Fav Battle in 1st Age: 5th Battle of Beleriand
2nd Age: Dagorlad
3rd Age: Pelennor Field

Pelennor Fields because its awesome as shi*, exciting and...just because it is

The 5th Battle of Beleriand aka Nirnaeth Arnoediad aka Battle of Unnumbered Tears was the saddest event to occur in all of Beleriand. Many elves, men and dwarves were slain, but those responsible for it, the SoF, all survived.

Dagorlad was great because it was this massive battle of men and elves against orcs and the power of Sauron.

Pelennor Fields rocked b/c it was visual and it involved many different armies: Gondor, Rohan, Dol Armoth, Orcs, Haradruim, Easterlings and Varigs

I do love Pelennor Fields...cuz Legolas is such a gamer! But i aslo love helms deep....i love it when the elves come...and then when gandalf comes, just when you think all is lost they end up kicking some orc butt!

I think Tolkien also did a great job describing it in the Silmarillion - all the small steps, one after the other, inevitably leading to the fatal and tragic defeat of Maedhros' Union

Interestingly it isn't Melkor who is responsible for the beginning of this battle, but the elves... yet it was the most fatal one for the Unions of the West.

Definitely my fav battle in the First Age

man i can just imagine those battles on film, if they were just to film them just for the hell of it, it would be great.

I would blame Nargothrond and Doriath for not sending large amounts of troops to support the Union, though it was ultimately the SoF fault. Maedhros was right about having all the elves join together,l but creating a war was a bit too but.

man they really should make some film like the History of Middle Earth or something.

no, there's no real story to it, other than the facts of ME.

i do know Tolkien wrote even more books to add on the history of middle earth, they should have like some history insite w/ video or something, i have the book, History of Middle Earth.

there are 12 HoME, just so you know

yes i have a few volumes, the whole set is kinda expensive

you have "a" book

several volumes of The History of Middle Earth vol. 1-4, and i do have the hobbit and the trillogy, if thats what u meant by "a"

im gettin 5 more this summer.

Topic, oh, topic, where have you gone?
offtopic



Yea but in the end it was the fault of Feanor's sons with their stupid oath and their unwillingness to cooperate with the other elven lords in the beginning
Fingon's deed couldnt wholly bury the disagreeings between their houses

But with larger troops from Nargothrond and Doriath and a little more thoughtfulness, they would have won the battle I think

And they definitely would have if humanity wouldnt have been so treacherous

yea off topic i know but they were asking bout it, so i do think battles of middle earth should be filmed, but it would be somewhat pointless.

If the easterling weren't there they could have won. It was said that it was the treachery of men that turned the tide or something like that. I don't have the book with me

The War of Wrath was the final battle against Melkor Morgoth Bauglir, at the end of the Quenta Silmarillian, in which he was defeated, and cast into the Void.

War of the Wrath was alright, but the Valar being their kinda made it one sided

I would have to say the Battle at the Pelennor Fields.

Why? it's the climactic battle. Eowyn and Merry made their mark, everyone (well, almost) was there...

and just the sight of the Rohirrim rushing in on their steeds, and of Aragorn leading the Army of the Dead....whew!

True lol,
but the Historyofmiddleearththing was really offtopic

I don't think the battles should be filmed
I really loved the Battle of Pelennor and the one in the Hornburg in the films,
But I don't think the battles of the Silmarillion are the right ones to be made into a film


Was my fav quote some months ago

Yet neither by Wolf, nor by Balrog, nor by Dragon, would Morgoth have acheived his end, but for the treachery of Men

on film yes.......but in the movies the army of the dead dont make it to minas tirith.

But aragorn leads them in non the less through the mountain (wasnt it like 200-300 miles they travelled?)

Discos - sod that

Tsk,tsk

i don't want the battles made either i have a better pic in my head lol, but i would like to see Tuor and Voronwe going through the 7 gates of Gondolin that would rule

well of course if the hobbit is made one more battle will be filmed, and that is somewhat encouraging, even though it only go one vote, still one more battle on film.

the battle of the five armies?

i know i loved the battle at the hornburg .... while i rite this i am tlistening to that track on the c.d yay ...but even tho the books invovle the battles thhe movies get to into them and probably show to much of them ...

yea the battle of five armies

that would be a somewhat entertaining battle to see on film

I suppose......the alliances of races.....yarr!

yea

No, it's all about the Dagor Ainaruth!
The battle of Holy Wrath!

explain that. I never heard of that battle, or it called that way.

Well, it's the last battle of the Silmarillion. The "War" of wrath, it's called there.
I think Dagor Ainaruth is FanFic, but it fits.

I thought it was that. I never heard it called that. Name fits. Ainuir are the Holy Ones

Xactly.

The WoW was alright, but very one sided

how would u say War or Wrath in elvish?

Who knows...as I said, it was FanFic, so it isn't perfectly written as in quenya, or Sindarin.

my favorite was the sack of Gondolin...

Yeah...that was killer....

ah the "slaughter" of Gondolin was grreeeat to read, foolish little prince have to squel to the whereabouts of where Gondolin was actually at,

lol and he had togo back to the place and walk in like everything was alright....*sigh*, such sadness

Discos - but they still seemed to save Glamdring

i thought the battle of the five armys was awsome, because there was thorin and co, the men of dale gandalf bilbo the elves and the orks and dont forget beorn.

wow still surprised the last alliance got so few votes

In the Sil, the Fall of Gondolin kinda sucked. No more than a few pages in the book. How long did the elves hold out for?

The battle of Pelennor Fields...cool!!!!

Last Alliance was great but isnt in depth enough for me in the book The Rings of Power,

the elves should have held out for a long time as (I think) there was gateS there to block any attack......but they had no warning or understanding of an attack

The really cool version is in the Lost Tales, it's great... and a LOT longer and more detailed, especially with explanations of the different Houses of Gondolin and their "fates" in the Ruin of Gondolin... I loved the story of the House of the Hammer of Wrath, each single of the members died... cry

yea

well anyone else thinks differently on the winner of the battle choices?

man thread untouched for like month n a half

dunno if i have been in here but mines hems deep .... (the beginning )

I dont know
My favourite in the LotR films changes all the time.

Sometimes its helms deep, i just love the way they fight with absolutely no chance of winning, i love the tension when you see the orc torches marching over the horizon, I love the line "the war has started" i love the way the first orc falls, and all hell breaks loose.

But Then theres the pellenor fields....
I love that battle, basically because of the rohirrim, their wrath and total desperation, their hate everything about it is nerve wrenchingly brillaint.

indeed

Pelannor fields because of the Witch King, and he dies. And the whole hobbit heroism.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

indeed both battles are extremly well done and good to watch

they are both brilliant i like hte way the dead just sweep over minis tirith at the end. and when it shows the rohirrium coming from all sides Its amazing!!! until the mumakil come that is

I would have preferred to see Dagorlad, or even the War of the Jewels.

I cant choose between helms deep and pelennor fields. helms deep is great because its the first big battle and because it seems hopeless. But, pelennor fields has oliphants!

The whole War of the Jewels took more than half a millenium


But it has several of the greatest battles in it
Like the Nirnaeth droolio

when eva i see pelennor fields i always think of flowers(poppys)

i dont know why tho..

Helms deep easy, the way the battle's were fought and how aragorns coomand was excellent and of course gimli and legolas's enemy kill count shouting.

they should have shown more of the last alliance that was good from what i read and what i saw shortly

my favorite lotr battle would probably be fornost or however its spelt
because the witch king is in it and he's got this koooool spikey mace (i think it wieghs about 50 lb.!!

The Fall of Fornost? great battle... poor fortress laughing Witchy's armies just crushed it...

Was more than 1000 years before LOTR though

My favorite battle was when the king's daughter defeated the leader of Sauron's army in Return Of The King.