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is the man evil or not.

yes he is evil- reasons

he makes a hell of a lot from the films, yet he says he doesnt like them
he writes notes in his dads books that nobody really reads anyway.
apart from say 'my dad read me the stories, i know more about them, i will edit them' and editing books, has the man ever had any other job?
he doesnt return any fan letters (story i read a while ago)

reasons against him being evil

he would actually know more, as his dad told him the stories.
he stays out of the limelight.
he writes notes which everybody loves to read asyou leanr more
he is only trying to help.

I repeat only what I already said

We should be thankful that he enriched the world by publishing all the material that wouldn't be known otherwise

Hell, without Christopher, there wouldn't even be a Silmarillion and a Melkor that could be based on him

who better to know what chris tolkien is like that chris tolkien ey exa

cry i liked the housies


*runs off crying*

i heard his dad based melkor on him

and Gothmog on any of chris' offspring

and fingolfin on me standing up to evil!

Based on Melkor - 4 votes
NOT evil - 1 vote?

Seems like I am the only person here who actually appreciated and worshipped Christopher's endless efforts, trying to open Tolkien's world also for normal mortals?

Or am I just the only one without a sense of humour?

you have a sense of humour.

i just think he is an evil man who is slowly going to put his name as the author of the histories
then silmarillion
then lotr
and his father will be forgotten

NOOOOOO


we must stop that from hapening. do not underestimate the power of the dark side

C. Tolien is alright, but to say that PJ's movies were bad makes him not so nice.

lol good ole chrissy,

I say he is evil, he wants to take glory fopr the books by bunging his name on the cover by simply editting a couple of things

Well, he did allow movie rights for LotR, so that's a good thing. He did finish the Sil and expanded the history and world of ME, so he's not all evil. If he hasn't allowed rights for the Hobbit, he should.

Kill CHRIS Tolkien

he dosn't deserve to bare the name of Tolkien

if only exa were his daughter not chris

we shouldn't kill him, just torture him until he allows us to have a Hobbit and Sil movie

good idea. He is useless to us if we kill him.

I dont like him very much. If you loved your father and his work so much why wouldnt you want a movie made out of it so that more people could be introduced to it. I know if i didnt see the movie i wouldnt ever of known about LOTR.

chris=evil

I think the movies are awesome, but making the characters into actual people kinda gets rid of some of thie imagination IMO. People who read the book before seeing the film have their own ideas of the characters, but the actors always change them. Sometimes not much, sometimes for the better, but they're always changed!

Plus, the 'real' Tolkien didn't want a movie made of his books!

Oh i see. My bad.

BTW, that wasn't posted as a retort to yours... I was writing it while you posted.

Are you sure about that...I seem to recall watching a featurette on the ROTK dvd that stated that he ( Tolkien ) was not against having a movie made of his trilogy, as long as it was done well.

Christopher Tolkien may be an ass, but he has good reasons. He is mainly trying to protect the integrity of his fathers work; most movies destroy the true spirit of the books. He has also been harassed by LOTR fanatics most of his life he's sick of it.

I do not HATE him; without Christopher, we would have neither "The Silmarillion" or "Unfinished Tales" today. Furthermore, I can't really hate a person that I don't even know in real life. Yeah, there's a lot of things going around on the net and in the papers, but is everything true?

I don't HATE Christopher Tolkien (but I don't love him either..I just don't like him..but I don't hate him...and he's certainly not evil). I just wish he would see how happy we the fans are with the films... If it wasn't for the fans loving his father's book then we would have never heard of the name Tolkien.

shadowy you sat school or summin, comp fixed?

Discos - it must be true if its in the inernet

@AD he (JRRT) did say that he doesn't think that making a film of LoTR would be a good idea


cry
Pleeeease no hob and sil movies
*defends chris tolkien*

@Smodden -

I am definetly not up for a silmarillon movie, the lord of the rings were split into 2 books per paperback

imagine how much stuff they would have to do for the sil, it would have to be in chapters, a sort of tarrantino style

Heck yeah, JRR was VERY anti-film, and he would have loathed the recent versions, juding by the critique he made of a fan script once sent to him.

Chris's dislike of things, therefore, is baed on 3 things.

1. Carrying on his father's legacy in that vein

2. Chris is a purist- purest of the pure you could call him- and so has no appreciation for the changes, and if you told him it was to make the story nore accessible as a film, he would simply take that as a reason why it is unsuitable for film treatment, which returns us to point 1.

3. In Chris' time the LOTR community, predating the net, was an intellectual powerhouse. The onset of the films has rather demolished that.

but it has brought more people to the lord of the rings universe.

i seem to remember you telling me you cant argue with the masses

i know jrr tolkien said filming lotr wouldnt be the best idea, but he never said he didnt WANT a film. i remember reading he was quite excited hearing about the animated version, and then absolutely loathing it once he saw. i think that put him off quite a bit

He wrote in his Last Will that he does not allow that Disney gets the rights for the film

Hey, tell it to Chris, not me, that's just the way he is...

I can tell you right now- JRR's primary criticism of the fan script sent to him was that Aragorn 'brandished' his sword. JRR said this was impossible to do with a broken sword.

The recent version had him using a different sword entirely. We have to face it- JRR would have flipped.

But there you go. Book and film should be judged on seperate merits. The reasons any of us like the films are not reasons the Tolkien line would appreciate and... well, that kind of is a dead end in the argument.

yeah we cant expect it all.

although not getting the sword reforged until rotk, having elves at helms deep and at one point arwen at helms deep. was pushing it

legend has it, in the cemetery where tolkien is buried, you could hear his belt buckle scraping the coffin as he was turning



@exa: well i wouldnt give disney the rights to anything. they pushed lemmings over cliffs for that film

Bump

he didnt base anyone on him I think.

Cos he said that in the prologue... His book isnt there to mean anything.

oh hell internet ****s up again

oh, one of my "fav" threads


five members think he's evil... one thinks he's nice?


..........I hope he can somehow avoid a movie of the Silmarillion and I hope they will respect what he thinks about a Hobbit-movie

No....I'll film the Silmarillion in ten year.....twenty movies!

fear fear ... damn commercialism

And we could have rupert grint playing turin

*Dies of Laughter*

Lawrence fishburn could be turin

Easily

*Dies of Laughter again*

I don't know but I think there is something slightly not all that right about him. you'd think he'd like the films as it is a celebrationg of his fathers work that practically the whole world loves.

oh cool this thread is still going, super!

Chris Tolkien aint that bad, he did get his dads work published (his dads work which was left behind).

*'s ass off*

*revives Melkor anyway*

Has C. Tolkien ever had a job other than to do with JRR's work? Sure he has - you lot should do your homework before crying murder. Also, a very simple serach in the Web will take you to a BBC News article from a while back (statement from C.T.) which should set you straight about what C.T. said about the current movies. Earning money? Well, I guess there is some money if new LOTR fans buy the books as well - but judging by the level of this thread, I'm not convinced new fans are entirely literate.

You are entitled to your opinion: you want The Hobbit, for example. C.T. seems to have the opposite opinion and maintains that the works are not going to translate well into drama. Why should he compromise his view - you don't seem to be prepared to do that? What makes you think that your view on this is somehow more valid than his - or even that your understanding of LOTR and the lot is somehow more profound than his? Oh PLEASE!

Did you just insult me?

And why are you putting words into my mouth
I never said my view or understanding of lotr is somehow more profound than his
Where on earth did you get that idea.

He should compromise his view because this could spread his fathers work further, many people have only read the books because of the film.
I only read them because i heard a film was being made


And i dont think its your place to say we arent literate and to assume none of us have bought the books, that could be seen as arrogance.

Firstly, Hi.

I guess DS is right, you're trying to insult us?
Where the hell did you get the idea we want the Hobbit movie to be made?
Hey, we maybe didn't do our maths homework, but we know quite well about Chris Tolkien, having disagreed to the licenses for the movie until he got so much money that he must have had Dollar-signs in his eyes.
Everyone knows about him publishing all the works by his father and making the money with it right?

Also, we didn't say our understanding is more profound, we just say we don't like him for only publishing the stuff only for money.

I guess he'll also accept a hobbit movie once the fee's right.

eff off, ignorant girl

He's not evil, just untalented and trying to live in his fathers spotlight. Good thing his dad was so awesome and famous and rich, if he didn't have his fathers work to get rich off of, he'd be cleaning toilets.

See, point proven

Hes like julian lennon, he only got a record deal because of his dad.

Is it wrong to have a father who is a genius?

It is when you only job ever is editting his stuff

Hey! I disagree in the idea of not making a Sillmarillon movie. I think it would be pretty nice. Of course there might be a narrator who talks all the time, so it would be for the real fans who read the book.

I think CT's pretty stupid not to let it, this and the hobbit, out in theater. I don't personally hate him (I don't know him well enough) but I still think it's a shame not to let those two movies out. Cmon Chris, be cool!

I would like to see the hobbit i think, bilbo is great. I would, of course, want thorin to die which would be my favourite scene, but the spider and trolls in the hobbit talk, we have seen trolls -and- spiders in LotR, and none are as advanced as common speech.
So, some continuality issues there, but i woould enjoy it

Silmarillion? No way, good book, bad film. Thats all im saying

Cmon The Silmarillon would be a hell of a good movie. The trick is not to put all the events in only one movie
Did you think of the possibilities that they could make a movie for each stories inside the book? For example, they make one on Beren and Luthien, and they make another one on the fall of Gondolin... in the end they would all be united and make perfect sense.
Think about it!

yeah, and the people paying for the film are going to have to sell their children and wives into slavery in erinau to be able to afford that.

The battles are epic, the characters are epic, you cant have big semi gods running around with giant dogs, and people turning into snakes and werewolves and not expect to pay through your nose.

Put it this way, my taxes better not go towards it