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I have some questions I hope someone will help me with the answers.

(1) Where was the Evil wizard in ROTK? Did he die? I don't remember ever seeing him or hearing about him.
(2) Why did Frodo leave the Shire??
(3) Where did he go??

Thanks in advance!!

*smacks forehead*

1. Saurumon's scene in RotK was cut out. It will be in the EE. In the book, he escpaes and heads towards the Shire and takes over. He is later killed by Grima, who is then jkilled by the hobbits/
2. I'm assuming u mean the scene in RotK. He left beacuse he was in constant pain. The Morgul blade had left a perminate injury on him.
3. Frodo went to Amon, the Blessed Realm, where the elves live. It's to help ease his pain

AE explained it perfectly


but in regards to #1, saruman's death will be diferent in the Extended Edition.


#2 Frodo left the shire...at the begining, to destroy the one ring. Not nessesarily to destroy it then, but to take it to revendell. Only to find that it could not stay there. Frodo then felt that the burden was his and vonunteerd to destroy it into the firey chasm from whence it came.

#3Frodo had to go to valinor...he HAD to. "there are some wounds that go to deep" His wound would never realy heal. And he couldn't stay in this world forever.
As much as it pains his friends to see him go, it was what he had to do, it was his destiny. He did what gandalf wanted, he got the ring destroyed, he saved the world...he saved his home...He ensured life would go on and renew itself again. His story will go on in songs and tales forever. A hero's tale such as Frodo's deserves so go on. And so he left. He left this world to go live in peace and happiness, in a world far from here. Where his wounds will not hurt, where his troubles will not bother him, and he possibly will forget all the pain of his former life. A hero, such as him, i think deserves such a life

Just remember, Frodo will die, but he'll die happy.

*flinches* oooh! that's gotta hurt...



um...if i remember correctly and I like to think I do...but the valar decreed or stated or even hinted that no mortal can step into the undying lands...that's why men are forbidden...sooooooo theoritically if Frodo is allowed along with his uncle to enter into Aman, they then become immortal.

And if i think more on it, i think there was a quote or phrase in the silmarillion i may be wrong about this but it may have been written something like: no living thing can know death or die in Aman...but, then, i could be wrong....

*awaits Cynethrth's rebuttal...*

Thanks Cyn...didn't sam also go to Aman as he was also a ringbearer, if only for a moment...

Yes, he did,
Though he went there some years after Frodo did

with a sack of potatos...

1- Evil wizard is known as saruman- no he did not die, he was supposed to be in rotk, but jackson thought that having several minutes dedicated to saruman after the helms deep defeat would be silly, as it would give the 'dragging' out the end of helms deep effect. this is why christopher lee said he wasnt going to premiers. it will be in the EE.
in the book he is killed by grima wormtongue in the scouring of the shire. the scouring was not filmed it was seen as an 'anti climax' for a movie. so saruman will die at isengard, his power gone after being cast from the order.
popular belief is grima will push him over the balcony and onto the spiked wheel, brought about by the appearance of a 'leaked' picture.
although they filmed five versions of his death, so this could just be to throw you off the trail.

2. Frodo in the ROTK book gives his full reasons, and a small part of it is in the film. he saved the shire, but not for himself. how can he pick up the shreds of an old life.

although i stick by my beliefs that he left because merry, pippin and sam were getting all the glory and frodo here couldnt handle not being the center of attention with his bluer than blue eyes.

3. frodo left for valinor- the undying lands, to which he was allowed to go for being a ringbearer giving him an amazing honour of being one of the FEW mortals to go there. it is a land inhabited by the elves, and the ainur. later- after the death of rosie cotton- sam left for valinor. as did legolas and gimli- whether gimli made it there, is up for discussion.

60 years after frodo- if i remember correctly

with a sack of potatos...

yes with his po-tat-oes of course

*points*...natch

yeah i suppose if he wanted he could use the potatoes to make nachos



joking



But----i didnt know alot of elves didnt go to valinor- and went to erresea instead

Eressea is where the Teleri lived for ages before they finally reached the coast of Aman...

which according to Tolkien became england later on in lost tales...

I thought it was closer to Aman

What was closer to Aman?
Eressea?

Yea, but it's moved later... and broken into two pieces because obviously the Valar didnt really agree... Ireland and England

he went when rosie died...maybe 60 years i dunno.

60? that seems quite a fair bit,

It didnt really actually say if he did or didnt go did it?

he does go....when rosie dies



ffs lol

I did hear of it, but according to the encyclo[edia of arda it says there is no word of him going, perhaps I am mistaking.....i will find the quotes

Sam married Rose Cotton soon after he returned to the Shire, and together they had no fewer than thirteen children. For much of his life, Sam was the elected Mayor of the Shire, and together with Merry and Pippin became one of the northern councillors of the King. His marriage to Rose lasted sixty-two years, but at last she died, and Sam travelled away from the Shire. Though his fate isn't known with certainty, he was thought to have gone to the Grey Havens and passed over the Sea himself, perhaps to be reunited at last with Frodo in the Blessed Realm.

Discos -

and you got that from?...

Well, Tolkien writes -

"On September 22 Master Samwise rides out from Bag End. He comes to the Tower Hills, and is last seen by Elanor, to whom he gives the Red Book afterwards kept by the Fairbairns. Among them the tradition is handed down from Elanor that Samwise passed the Towers, and went to the Grey Havens, and passed over the Sea, last of the Ring-bearers"

Over the sea.

but you cango over the sea and still never come to valinor

Actually, if you don't find the Straight Path, you come to the New Lands... because Valinor was removed from the circles of the world... and if you somehow miss the New Lands, you go round the whole globe and in the end reach the coasts of the far east... or the Dark Lands?


However,
I think "Over the Sea" somehow implies reaching Valinor ^^ ^^

exactly- sam was never the brightest person, he will never get to valinor

and he cant swim. so if one day he insulted ulmo---poof bye bye fat one

Did Cirdan not go with him or something or help him in some way?

I think it was Celebron who went with him, he never actually left with Galandrial, I think

I recently re-read the rings of power and it was mentioned in there.

sam needs a slap


*hates sam*

i think i might edit a picture of him, being brutally murdered

i like sam...it's frodo i don't like

i prefer frodo to sam and to them i prefer merry and pippin i think it would of been beta if they took the ring

I prefer Pippin to Merry, I prefer Sam to Frodo

Discos- Frodo's a *****

don;t hate me anyone but i really can't stand merry i dunno what it is he just gets right on my nerves

lol I don't hate you for that,

Discos - I hate you for so many other things

feelings mutual discos

discos cocked this king thing up didnt he

i hate frodo- he turns everything into a love moment

sams ONE good line 'just incase we were having roast chicken one night'

everyone laughs

frodo doesnt, he does that noncey smile and says 'my dear sam'

lol, my kingdom is in the sky, so i can be closer to my own kin