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Maybe this should go in the music forum, but it's not really about music itself... If the powers that be decide it would go better there, go ahead and move it.

Anyways, I was thinking about violence in song lyrics. Do you think kids are influenced, even subconsciously, by songs that are about violence? Do you think the artists who use said lyrics in their songs actually advocate violence, or that they just do it because it seems to be the current trend in several genres?

alot of artist have lived a violent life and there just singing/rapping or some use it to try and get a message across but i dont buy that musicians advocate violence.....people are violent by nature anyway so i say thats just a bunch of bull sh*t

The violence of lyrics it the necessary answer to the needs of youngpeople.
Maybe if society was more fair, everybody should be listen Chopin

But, ofc that kids are influenced. But maybe more influenced by their closer friends, family and society.

It just a question of balance.

Popular music is a reflection of our society today. I think there ARE a lot of weak minded, emotionally insecure people out there that can't make the distinction between reality and the music they listen to. And they're further influenced by their friends who act the same way.

if music is so violent than why are there violent movies?



just because a kid and does somthing stupid dosent really mean its the musicians fault or a movie.


parents need to moditor there kids of what there watching or listening to.

take pac for example. his lyrics (most of them) were all violence. but each song (or most) had a deeper meaning to it.

of course, there are also people who talk about violence just because it's "cool"... But I think a lot of artists (pac, quite a few underground rappers, Marilyn Manson, RATM) do what you're talking about.

I can say this as a thirteen year old person it doesnt influence me at all

I don't think it plays a big role in the influence department.

In his day Chopin was noted for his violence at the piano when playing.

violence in music-- and also movies and video games-- seemed to have become a scape goat for the violence in our society when there is nothing else to blame. take for example, the violent school shootings. what did they blame? the matrix. this kids might get straight a's but those a's don't give them the attention and the emotional guidance they need especially during the "hormone" years. and there will be some tell tale signs... could be subtle, but they're there.

i also fell that it comes down to bad parenting. these young teenage mothers-- not all of them-- seem to be pre-occupied with getting trashed and partying rather than rearing a child. yes it is difficult but it was a choice-- or mistake-- that already has been, and the situations have to be dealt with accordingly. it is also disturbing to me that the government can train you to become a killing machine before it lets you purchase alcohol.

i agree with dath reven because if the parents dont watch what there kid is doing than the kid might end up being a violent person.


i admit im a violent person but it wasnt from music games or movies.



i use to live in a bad enviorment at home.

I think violent music can actually be more of a release for the individual. helps ya get it out of your system. i don't really think music causes violence

I don't know truly things have changed with technology, compared to the past we are far more violent and willing to go off the deep end mostly due to the proximity of your neighbors these days.... in the 50's and before murders used to be a horrendous crime.... it used to surprise us. Perhaps this has turned full circle... violence has become so much part of our lives we no longer realize that it is a problem... yet it lies skin deep and entreched in us....

I don't think music itself (or films or games for that matter) cause violence. I suppose they could be a catalyst to someone aready violent. If music directly incited violence i would be a mass murderer by now (i never have slipknot out of my ears lol :P)

I think kids are more affected by violence in the home and on tv because a visual communicates more than sound does.

Not necessarily... I almost get things better through music than when I see them.

interpretation deoends on the idividual.

The way I see it, there's messages you can decipher to be violent in many Hiphop songs and Rock songs. However, if I hear a rapper start going on about hoes, money, guns and what have you. I wont be influenced to become a pimp, money launderer and gun merchant. I'll be influenced into turning it off coz they aren't worth my time.
Freedom of speech, no matter how dumb, shouldn't be censored on account of the way a few morons may take it.

-AC

most kids at a very young age like 3-6 have parents that are 16 or 17 i mean look at the facts if 2 17 year olds have a kid and watch violent films or listen to violent music they need to teach there kid that its NOT ok to do this in our world.


but those young parents dont care they just believe that ojk he or she isnt gona do this.


i know from experiance cause i have a son.


i was 17 and my lady was 17 also. but now my son is 2 years old. when he becomes 5 or 6 im gona let him know that violence in any shape of form is not right.

And why are you waiting until he's 5 or 6 to teach him this, may I ask?

"they need to teach there kid that its NOT ok to do this in our world."

Depends though. Some families may watch a movie with a sex scene and put their hands over their kids eyes to discourage them from it. Is it not ok to have sex then? No. So your method is faulty. I don't see how you having a son gives you the authority to say that people take the same path as you did.

"when he becomes 5 or 6 im gona let him know that violence in any shape of form is not right."

Wow, excellent.

Your son: Wow that man is about to rob me and stab me but Daddy said violence in ANY way is bad. So what ya gonna do.

Yeah, so you see how you shouldn't comment on parenting now.

-AC

there is violence in music, but there is violence in every medium of life. violence is the opposite of peace and you need one with the other. it is also freedom of speech. I know this doesnt matter much to people anymore, but freedom of speech is our most powerfull asset of human beings co-existing. America is quickly becomming a socialist world. If you try to take away freedoms, freedoms that shape the paths to growth you get one of two things. An orson wells view on the world or uniformity. If it offends you, DONT LISTEN

parents and extremists alike ,like to believe there is an underlying force in music which brainwashes our youth. Truth is music is one of the last sanctuaries youth have to turn to be free un judged. Society are more closely the ones who try to brainwash youth with " this is how you are supposed to live" Get a mind numbing job pump out a few clones and continue to stimulate the economy. Yes i believe there are certain one sided words that promote only hate, but there is always an opposite, if you discriminate with one thing, the other side gets angry and want more freedoms to be taken away in spite, this circles untill we reflect a hitler type language. embrace freedoms and live free, speak your mind and encourage growth of mind

We need to realise that we aren't as smart, civilised and reasonable as we think we are. We, although this is down to choice, need to help those not doing as well as us in any way. Instead of viewing the world in 2004 as a survival of the fittest phase.

We're the only species to ever evolve into such potentially intelligent beings and then go back into caveman mentality. "My club is bigger than yours" has turned into "My weapons cache is bigger than yours."

I agree in many a sense with what the guy above me said, but then again when have humans ever wanted EVERYONE to live free, speak their mind and mostly, encourage.

Since we have been able to think we have been thinking of ways to be better than our fellow man. Our own nature is our very downfall.

-AC

I neither think that violence in music, movies or games has any influence on ppl. like somebody already said, it's just a good thing to blame on. when this school shooting here in erfurt was they blamed it on slipknot. they even made up a slipknot song call "school wars" just to blame them. but they never thought about what really could have made them do it. where their parents were or whatever other problems they had.
and btw, even in the old fairy tales, which parents use(d) to read their kids is violence. have you ever heard the fairy tale "blaubart" (don't know the name in english, maybe "bluebeard"? it's about a guy who killed all his ex-wifes and has their corpses hanging in a room in his castle...anyways.
what I wanne say is there has always been violence, but just from seeng it in a movie or hearing it in a song, doesn't make me a violent person.

How can you say that violent music and media have no influence on a person? A person is influenced every day by their surroundings and what they are exposed to. To say that a person is violent by nature is asinine. Look at the role models our society gives kids today? It is cool to kill off your enemies, sell some crack to your "homeboys", and **** as many bitches and hoes as possible. This is the messege being sent to kids in rap music. As far as not influencing goes, studies have been shown that violent lyrics cause a measurable influence in aggressive thoughts and tendencies. A study was done at Iowa State University, by two psychology professors that proves this. I understand the need for free speech, but things have gotten out of hand.

Here's the deal:

If you are impressionable enough to go out and do something just because you hear it on a record, then you're incredibly stupid. Stupid people do stupid things, the artists get dragged into court and it's all pointless and unnecessary. If you can't handle listening to music with explicit content then don't buy it or don't let your kids buy it.

Jimmy Urine said it best:

"All the censorship in the world won't make up for bad parenting. If your child is more influenced by our music than by Mommy and Daddy, both you and your offspring have much bigger problems than our lyrics. So before you go hauling us or any other artist into court, look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself if you did the best you could. Because if you're considering taking us to court, you didn't."

Music influences in many ways........

Another earthshaking contribution by debbiejo there.

-AC

"Everyone was asking 'what kinda music did they listen to?', 'what kinda video games did they play'....what ever happened to 'just plain crazy'?"

-Chris Rock on the Colombine shooters

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Maybe this should go in the music forum, but it's not really about music itself... If the powers that be decide it would go better there, go ahead and move it.

Anyways, I was thinking about violence in song lyrics. Do you think kids are influenced, even subconsciously, by songs that are about violence? Do you think the artists who use said lyrics in their songs actually advocate violence, or that they just do it because it seems to be the current trend in several genres?

Not really. Some people just rap about

But don't really advocate it

singing about something as factual is not necesarily endorsing it.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
singing about something as factual is not necesarily endorsing it.



but when crazy/stupid people misinterpret it, is when shit happens.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Another earthshaking contribution by debbiejo there.

-AC Must you keep talking to me..

I'm not saying music is to blame, but to simply excuse it altogether is stupid. I agree that parents are in most instances the reason kids grow up all sketchy and ****ed up, but when they turn to their role-models for the guidance that their parents didn't give them what do they find? **** the world, **** the police, **** your mom, lets just **** it all. I am one of the last people who believes in censorship, but give me a break, saying that the lyrics in most of today's music isn't trash is a load of shit.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets


but when crazy/stupid people misinterpret it, is when shit happens.

yeah, most of those crazy stupid people are the ones who think it's their job to dictate morality to the nation based on a narrow/wrong view of Christianity

nowadays, nothing influences these little bastards, it's just a yearning to be seen as one of the cool/hardcore/rebellious kids

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Maybe this should go in the music forum, but it's not really about music itself... If the powers that be decide it would go better there, go ahead and move it.

Anyways, I was thinking about violence in song lyrics. Do you think kids are influenced, even subconsciously, by songs that are about violence? Do you think the artists who use said lyrics in their songs actually advocate violence, or that they just do it because it seems to be the current trend in several genres?




Rap music and rock music makes me feel like fighting


But then again, after listening to Britney spears for 4 hours, I stabbed 10 people

For me personally, music makes me less violent, becuase I can vent it out through the music. Alhtough often when Im listening to heavier stuff I get an adrenaline rush, and feel violent, afterwards, Im more calm than before.

There are songs that do fill me with adrenaline to the point that I feel I could dive through a wall, but that's as far as it goes- feeling it.

-AC

It comes down to the individual. Music isnt gonna make you go postal-unless you had problems to begin with