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Remember how Agent Smith said something about Seraph beating him before. I was wondering if this and whatever else was said when they met indicated that Seraph was the previous One. I realize the Oracle and Neo talked about Seraph being a program but I still think it could be possible. And look how Seraph could fight Neo.

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Neo: Are you a programmer?

Neo: Then what are you?
Seraph: I protect that which matters most.

Nope
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No...... Seraph was just protecting the Oracle just like he was doing it all the Movies, Hes been doing that since the 1st Matrix, Seraph says" Ive Beaten you before" he could of beating him easyily because there was only 1 Smith without neos powers, so he prob jsut kept beating them up then running, Hense Smith saying " I remember you chancing you like chancing a Ghoast.

It is true that we see Seraph glows in gold opposite to programs like Agent Smith which are green from the first Matrix movie. It might mean that Seraph is different from the others, but to say that he was a "One".

Also, because the Oracle seems to take care of some exiled programs (like Sati). She may have made a deal with Merovingian, to have a body guard.

Did you even read the link I gave you? Seraph is NOT an old One.


Someone close this

thats what mini omega is here for

Closing!!

I reported it. So far, it's not closed. Omega! We miss you!

i'm gonna put my 2 cents in before this thread hits the sh!tter...

in theory seraph used to work for the mrovingian. when the merovingian was exiled, the architect engineered agent smith to have deleted from the matrix and returned back to the source. after some time the merovingian-- who is NOT a former one either, but that's another story-- became power tripping and pissed seraph off. he consulted the oracle and he decided that it is best if he didn't protect the mreovingian any more. at that point he started protectiong the oracle...

again, there is no proof to that... it's just a theory...

It made me think of what actually happened to Neo after killing Smith. He was being hauled away by the machines. I first thought he's definately dead, but what if he is just unconscious. The machines may somehow make Neo into a program much like they could have previously made Seraph. So this might mean Seraph was a previous one.
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seraph is not a former one...he's the protector of oracle...i dont even believe he used to work for the mero...
Referring to the Judas reference by Merv, i'd like to think he SOLD OUT one of the previous ones...(Judas sold out Jesus)...as for fighting smith? hes an exile, plain and simple

Seraph and Smith -
The reason Smith said that is because either in previous Matrix's Oracle has needed protection so Smith and Seraph will have meet before.Since Smith seems to have been present in at least one other Matrix as he seems to know how the events unfold, it stands to reason he will have fought Seraph. But Seraph has always protected her and beaten Smith. It could have something to do with Seraphs past with the Merovengian as well, but I think the previous Matrix's one is the main reason.
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i assume all anomaly's had to deal with the merovingian...maybe seraphy mislead one of the "ones" to the mero and it had bad concequences ?

I think Seraph was a program designed by the Oracle to protect her as she guides humanity to freedom. He glows in gold code because he was a very special program but to say that he was a "One". Maybe the Oracle, Architect, Merv, Persephone, and all the exiles glow gold as well.
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Mini Omega is on the case

It seems almost clear to me now that Seraph is the reincarnation of former ones. After each One reaches the source, they are then given the job of guarding the Oracle. Seraph's true purpose is stated as, "protecting that which matters most (Reloaded)." Who better to protect the Mother of the Matrix than the One?

It's also important to note that Seraph is the only one who can actually hang with Neo in fighting. Neo doesn't really beat him, which mean that they are both equal.
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i would NEVER say that Serpah and Neo are equals. Neo was toying with Seraph. All Neo did was hold his own against Seraph, but by no means did Neo bring out the show stopping moves that he did in either of his fights against Smith (reloaded or revolutions).

All programs are created to have a purpose, I feel like Merovingian used or created Seraph in previous versions of the Matrix in order to serve the purpose as a body guard. Don't know how it happened, but i think Seraph left Merovingian and became the protector of the Oracle. (Can't explain how it happened or why, but as a program...he was serving the purpose he was programmed to do.)

That would explain why Persephone kills that henchmen when they enter the mansion in reloaded. She says that these body guards are loyal and easily disposable...Seraph would be much more difficult to control, and he probably was programmed without great loyalty to Merovingian.

she can kiss my ass

ok link, i see what your sayin, but take this into account: A seraph is the highest order of the angels next to god...
the merovingian is the symoblic character of Satan in the matrix, and Satan was a fallen seraph...
To call a character seraph and then assume he worked for Satan is a stretch, but i can even believe that he could have been one of Satan (merv) original followers when he fell from grace...
Calling him Judas mus be taken into account too, Judas being a betrayer of Jesus, I think Seraph helped merv do sumthin to a pervious anomaly.

I believe Seraph is a former "the one" . He may have chosen exile in the matrix after his "the one" purpose was done. The oracle then found a purpose for Seraph and now his purpose is "To protect what matters most" He's in charge of Security of the Matrix.

When Neo went to see the Oracle; He is met first by Seraph and saw the golden glow (special code). I think the unique golden glow signifies power (nothing more, nothing less). Seraph then proceed to test Neo. We all know the "One" is very powerful, so in order to test someone to see if they are the "One" , that individual must also has similar power.
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he doesnt need similar power, but he must be familliar with the Anomaly simply because seraph existed in previous iterations of the matrix

I understand from the Merovingian chat in Revolutions, Seraph used to work for Merv, and why would a previous one work for him ? Well if "the Ones" after returning to the source get reinstalled in the matrix by the machines to work for them, its not strange if he worked for the Merovingian until the Oracle. She found a purpose for Seraph which is "To protect what matters most", because she needed protection.

And as you all know, the Merovingian dealt with Neo's predecessors which meant that Seraph fought the previous "One's" while still working for Merovengian. This was why he had to fight Neo first to see if he really is the One.
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Some are saying that if Seraph is a "One" that means there are more ones at the same time. Well, when the One goes to the source, he reinserts the prime program, the matrix RELOADS, thus there is no anomaly, but that doesn't mean that Neo just has to go ahead and die since they removed the anomaly. His mind can live on in likeness to a computer program. His skills are still there, but he no longer causes systemic fluctuations in the most basic equations. He cannot remake the matrix, but his mind is still somewhat free from the limitations and boundaries of a computer system. It is clear he is the only one that can hang with Neo in reloaded.
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watch reloaded again and the oracle herself will tell you that seraph is a program. if you say he used to be human, how exactly do you turn a human into a program? extract the brain from the body? the brain is where the anomaly code lies, how do you extract that?

ok....how many times have we discussed this before, NO!!! Separh is NOT a former one....he is a program, a very powerful one at that, but hes not human, meaning he cant be the one, meaning NO!!!!

Seraph could be one of Neo's predecessors, with evidence being the without wings comment, blocking Neo, and Merovingian meeting. I also think that the Merovingian's comment about the Prodigal child could mean that Seraph was faced with deletion after he reinserted the prime program,because what purpose would he serve after that? thus not wanting to fact deletion, he arranges with the Merovingian's that if the Trainman smuggles him through he will protect him, the story of the prodigal child also could mean that the Trainman is the loyal son who stays with his father and Seraph is the disloyal who leaves, another thing I think is because the oracle was designed to probe human pysche she should be able to understand and even begin to act like a human, thats why I think she started helping Neo, and tha'ts why she needed someone to protect her because she turned rogue, why else would she be hiding in the back doors of the Matrix? and at the end of Revolution the Architect states that "you are playing a very dangerous game" and she replies "change always is" which supports this theory, the only problem with this theory as a whole is how could Seraph continue to survive after the initial RELOAD he helped happen, other than that it pretty much makes sense.
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This makes sense?

"The body can not live without the mind."

Morpheus tells us this in the beginning. It's true! Why is it everyone says X was a program whenever? Even when Neo was in mobile ave, his body and mind remained in tact. One can't live without the other.

No, Seraph is not a former one. He is a program that somehow came to work for the Mero. Hence his 'prodical son' and 'Judas without wings' comments. He protects that which matters most - the Oracle. Whatever deal Seraph and Mero had going caused Seraph to loose his wings before Reloaded. He clearly keeps some abilities though.

In the Matrix, Morpheus looks at that man by the elevator, who nods. That is Seraph. A Seraphiam can change its appearance depending on the situation. This also backs up Smith's "I remember chasing you was like chasing a ghost." Seraph, an exile then, escaped the Agents with his cloaking ability. Seraph fought Morpheus and granted him passage afterwards before the events of the Matrix.

In Reloaded, Neo meets a wingless Seraph. (This is pure speculation. I believe Seraph worked as a double agent to take the Oracle's eyes for the Mero. The Oracle won him over, and Seraph choose to stay with her. "He has protected me for years," says the Oracle. Seraph looses his wings to the Mero for breaking the deal. Hence his shell program appeared different in Reloaded. Everyone assumes he is weak enough to kill. The bouncers say "Hey, it Wingless.""I get it. You must be ready to die cuz the only way you're getting in is over my dead ass." Seraph, now weaker, uses the backdoor key he had in his service with the Mero to hide the Oracle from the Mero's henchmen. He fought Neo to be certain he was the One because he couldn't protect the Oracle like before.)

Seraph still holds some of his abilities though. His ability to detect when an enemy is coming in advance. His appearing seemingly out of nowhere in Revolutions at the Hell Club entrance. He has aswome fighting skills and the ability to protect the Oracle for years. The other exiles reconize him as stated above. The Trainman too is frightened out of his mind meeting the assasian angel and flees for his life.

interesting theory you got there, neo...

I red sumwher on a website dat seraph use 2 wurk 4 the merovingian and besides merovingian said " seraph, my little judas9 which meens traitor)" so seraph culdnt be the previous one

judas*

at the end of reloaded it was evident to me that even though the freedom fighters of zion thought they were outside of the matrix, they were in fact not free. neo stopped several sentinels while supposedly outside of the matrix. using logic you can compare the powers he used inside the matrix and that power he used 'outside' of the matrix. i am sure that the entire outside of the matrix was just an illusion and was part of the game that the architect and oracle played. it is not too hard to imagine that by being programs we could have future lives after this one. eternal life is also plausible. for 'centuries' christians have been proclaiming that Jesus saves, and yes He does save.