Another clue for Spider-Man 3.....
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Red Superfly
Okay, we can speculate all we want about Spider-Man 3, but you all know that I'm all for The Lizard being in Spider-Man 3 and NOT Venom (he should be in 4 - for reasons I have gone over a million times).
Just recently I was taking a look at the details concerning the Spider-Man 2 video game. What strikes me as odd is that The Lizard has been removed from the game (after he was confirmed to be in it for a long time). Now this got me thinking, what would make the developers remove The Lizard from the Spider-Man 2 game? One obvious reason is that The Lizard may be up for the role of the head villain in the NEXT movie, and as a consequence, the game developers couldn't use him as a low-level thug in one game, then in the sequel (which will obviously be out when the 3rd film is) has him as a major villain?
Couple this with the fact there have been massive rumours concerning the Venom-symbiote being in Spidey 3 (not Venom himself, and not dismissing the Lizard rumours either) then it's pointing quite clearly that The Lizard will be in Spidey 3.
Think about it, they know Venom is huge, they know his character takes time to be "born". They know they need to ADVERTISE him. If they merely have Eddie Brock and the venom-symbiote in 3 (not Venom), this would make an awesome cliff-hanger for people to go see 4 (and make 4 one of the first movies to make the "fourth" film better than all the rest).
Spiderman_RJ
hahahhahahahh what a signature..............
wuTa
i had tough time readin what you had to say coz of your sig....and people wonder why they say robin is gay....i think the lizard is gonna be in the next film as the villian too becuase Dr. Conners is in the movie..i dont think Eddie Brock is plus they had an article in the newspaper with Sam Raimi coz he grew up in the area where i live and said that the villian for the 3rd film is gonna be introduced at the end of this film and since Conners is already in the 2nd film Lizard makes
sense to me
The Ones
and the only villains that are allowed into spider-man movies are ones that are connected to peter in some way. goblin: harrys dad. octopus: peters teacher. lizard: peter and conners used to do experiments together
Red Superfly
Fantastic.
I'm a huge fan of Venom, I love the big slobbering oaf to bits, but having Venom in 3 wouldn't make sense for business and my own personal reasons.
With business you gotta think long-term. If they tease Venom, by having the Eddie and Symbiote storyline in 3, they will guarantee that the 4th movie would be the best thing since sliced bread, and will please Venom fans such as myself because they gave him a suitable gestation period.
I seriously wanna see the second movie now, just to see how much they tease The Lizard for 3. If they tease Curt Conners experiments a lot, then it's safe to assume he'll kick it off in Spidey 3.
Red Superfly
Well Venom is probably the MOST PERSONAL of the lot.
The symbiote itself - knows Spider-Mans weaknesses, his identity, has his powers. Hates Peter Parker, knows where he lives.
Eddie Brock - Rival photographer to Peter, blames Spider-Man for all the trouble that befalls him.
That's why I always considerred Dock Ock, Gobby, Lizard and Venom to be the greatest villains in Spider-Man. The Quartet of Cool.
wuTa
man i hope there not gonna make harry osbourne the next villian...he has a bigger role in the 2nd one which means somethin major is probly gonna happen with that charactor...if they put Dr Conners in that film just for a cameo i'm gonna be pissed
Spiderman_RJ
harry is the goblin in next movie.........sam raimi lets this go off
Red Superfly
Oh crap you could be right. Damn. Harry finds his fathers suit, thats what he meant. Dammit.
badsymbiote
First off--this is a great thread, and really enjoyable to read. Also, your signature is friggen awesome--I hope you guys are right about all this-and hopefully watching S2 will give me some answers instead of more questions--I would love to see Venom on the big-screen, and I want them to do it right. The sooner the better, but I wouldn't be averse to waitng 4 or even 6 more years to preserve some chronology. I think it's a shame to waste such great characters by under-developing or otherwise compromising them. I'm not seeing the movie until Saturday, but I really am starting to get excited about it.
wuTa
i rented Secret Window and it had a long preview of spider-man 2 and it showed Conner talkin to Pete and it got me thinkin that he's too big of a charactor to not have in the 3rd one...i mean everyone knows that conner is the lizard so even if they make harry the next villian in the spidey 3 why do they have to take out the lizard...what i'm tryin to say is why not have both of them as villians in the next film
spider-venom
look its not ganne be the lizard becuase there putting it in the 2nd game as a side character like shocker, y would they do that when they could of just made the third game with the main villian the lizerd?
wuTa
i thought they took the lizard out of the game
badsymbiote
My son Brendan would LOVE to see more of Conners. He loves the Lizard. He is fairly compelling--the guy is a genius and a train wreck at the same time.
Freddy_vs_Jason
I must say I'm extremly dissapointed that they took The Lizard out of the game. But I'm glad now because it's obvious that The Lizard will be the villain. I'm going to search up rumors on the net.
Freddy_vs_Jason
Also I wish they'll give Harry a different Goblin costume, it will be boring seeing the same suit.
Red Superfly
Dude, didn't I say they took Lizard out of the game - its why I posted the thread in the first place. Game developers with licenses have a strong relationship with the licensees because they can basically tell the game developers what can and can't be put into a game.
Taking out The Lizard after it was confirmed he'd be in it is incredibly fishy. They have been told to take out the Lizard by someone, and all signs point to the people that hold him as an asset, namely Sony who make the movies. Conclusion? Sony don't want him in the 2nd Spidey game as a low-level boss - he's obviously meant for bigger and better things.
And about Venom, yes, I'd love to see Venom on screen ASAP, but I'm not naive enough to think they'd do it properly without the proper buildup.
The thing is, if Venom is gonna be in it at all, we'll see Eddie in 3 for sure if The Lizard is the villain. As long as we SEE Eddie (and/or the symbiote) we KNOW Venom is next in line - so why would ANY of us not be smiling our asses off when we leave the theatres after Spiderman 3?
For me anyway, keeping Venom until the fourth film will keep the ineterst in the series at top-level boiling point, especially if 3 ends in a cliffhanger where we KNOW Venom is in 4 - imagine the hype for Spiderman 4 if this happened?
Red Superfly
It's a case of not giving the audience what they want all the time. The audience demands Venom, but people don't always know what's best for them.
wuTa
yea but the thing that worries me is the harry osbourne factor...there really started to build on his hatred for spider-man and you can tell from the previews that him and parkers relationship is goin downhill so this tells me that there gonna make harry find out about his dad pretty soon and become a villian...but i still say the lizard will be in 3..Conners is too much of a player just to have as a cameo
Red Superfly
Yeah, if they use Harry as the villain that would suck. Harry's Green Goblin isn't even that popular with Spider-Man fans anyway, everyone knows he was lame. It's gonna be repeating the same stuff we've seen a million times on DVD anyway. I'm sure they know they've gotta mix it up a little. There were TONS of villains in between Normans Goblin and Harrys Goblin in the comics, many years went by. In the movies, we'll have had ONE villain go past, and a few years go by, between Norman and Harrys Goblins. It'll seem to soon, too close together.
I hope they tinker with Harry's character a bit. Harry was so under-developed in the comics it wasn't even funny, he never even got super-powers when he becomes the Goblin. He's flying around on a glider without super-powers, and can STAY ON IT? That in itself is laughable.
For me, the best thing they could do, if they really insist on having Harry as a villain, is to pair him up with The Lizard.
WAIT! Yes I know pairring up villains is a bad idea, but here it would work, especially if The Lizard was still the MAIN bad guy, and harry somehow turns into the next Green Goblin, but is less active in his role, and acts more like a master manipulator of The Lizard. I don't think people would be up for seeing Green Goblin vs Spidey again, especially considerring all the best and most memorable Goblin scenes were re-created in the first movie (the bridge, the bit with Goblin dragging Pete by the rope etc).
I don't know what's gonna happen with Harry. I'd rather him just stay as Harry Osbourne, and become a crime lord/kingpin type character, and therefore manipulates the likes of The Lizard and stuff. Maybe he could take the Goblin serum, so he's insane and super-powered.
I'd rather just see The Lizard, to be honest. Throw Harry of a tall building Spider-Man.
wuTa
i agree that if they insist on making harry a villian that they should have him pair up with the lizard and have him in the background and be the lizards cheerleader.....i just hope they dont try and rush things and try and do too much with too little coz none of the actors are signed for a 4th film...have harry go on vacation for a film and too and when he comes back than he can become a villian
Darth Jello
i can tell you exactly who the villian is!!! MIDNIGHT PREMIERE RUSH!!! WHOOOO!!!!! but seriously, go see it yourself.
wuTa
i did... i saw the midnight one too put i posted what i thought of the move in the spider-man 2 review and thoughts thread
Hit"Em"Up
of course harry's gona be the next villian.
its all apart of the story.
spidey 1 is wear harry's dad dies.
spidey 2. is all abought harry trying to get revenge for his dads death.
spidey3 will show us tthat harry will be the hob goblin and try to take spidey down.
picture these as 3 diffrent chapters.
a director cant just make 2 films and not show why this villian is doing what he is doing.
it would be incomplete and bad story telling.
i agree the lizard should be in spidey 3 but look at the facts people it's gona be the hob gobblin.
wuTa
yea people who saw the moive know that....Superfly started this thread before the movie came out...even though the previews gave away alot of the film just the fact that the conners was in this movie got peoples hopes up...plus you can build up the story by adding morey chapters to the "story" like 1. dad dies 2. harry finds out pete is spidey...3. they can work on harry's charactor more and have him try to deal with what to do....stay loyal to his freind or avenge his father (not just jump into bein the hobgoblin) while this is goin on conners could become the lizard and be the next main villian in the 3rd flick or they could've have both of them team up and both be villians for the 3rd one but business wise this may have been the smartest way to do it becaus none of the actors are signed on to a 4th film and if they do decide to come back for the 4th film they have conners right there
klipso
they left the 2nd movie open for hobgoblin and conners could become the lizard in the next, also, JJ's son is an astronought so the venom sybiote could gome down on the space shuttle.
thats 3 bad guys they already have set up and could pull out at any momment, but most likesly will be hobgoblin.
Joseph_Kerr
Harry Osbourne is not the Hobgoblin... Harry is the second Green Goblin.
Drifter101
i just found out there is no venom in the next one and that there is to be no venom because i also found out the studio is only planning to take the spiderman films to #3 the next being the last and the next being hobgoblin .........pff i wanted venom or carnage
Drifter101
wait who is the hobgoblin again is it harry osborn or was it jameson's son, i thought i remember him being a villian and it wasnt venom because venom is eddy brooke
Drifter101
but i really wanted venom,
wuTa
the 1st hobgoblin was like a martian or somthin..i dont think he was from earth but the second hobgoblin was rod kingsley...he was a bank robber and stumbled onto one of the osbournses secret hideouts were he found all the goby toys and became the second hobgoblin
wuTa
i think alot of people were hopin that they would have any villian besides another green goblin...i mean he was gonna become the next goblin eventually but like superfly said they could have worked on harrys charactor and had the lizard be the next villian...but there is a slight chance they both could be villians for the 3rd flick but i'm not gettin my hopes up
DanZeke25
The romour for the release date of Spidey 3 is May 4, 2007
They said it is gonna be a big movie so there could be two villans.
The Ones
but lizard works by himself. just like venom. he doesnt team up with anybody he is just a 1 man villain . incasew your wondering. venom joined the insidious 6 because he wanted revenge on spidey for killing his wife. but doc ock (insidious 6 leader) only planned on humiliating him turing venom on the insidious 5
wuTa
yea i never said that the lizard wouldnt work by himself..i've been sayin along he should be the main villian for the 3rd one but it dont look like thats gonna happen
.....that mean they would have to work on conners charactor more and downplay harry and i dont think thats gonna happen
eagle_eye
tho if this did happen (2 villains) they would have to explain how they became the villains they are and that would take up a chunk of the movie... i just don't think they'd have the time in it unless this would be their last film and they wanted to go out with a bang and make it longer. even though it would b pretty awesome i don't think it would really be possible because of the money. and if u were the script writer how could you put all that in and still make it a great film like their preceding film.
wuTa
thats why i said i dont have my hopes up
Vengeance
my god if venom isn't the next villain, i'll be pissed.and also if harry is the next villain i'll be even more pissed and will prolly not even go see it becuase i called that from the first movie.
spideyzgalmj
I really hope they don't make Harry the hobgoblin in part 3 cuz i think that will just be boring. I didn't really like the green goblin much. I think they should do the lizard. That would make for a better movie.
spartanfantmc
maybe harry doesnt become goblin yet. maybe something else happens to Harry or who we loves and then decides killing Spidey is right. I think Lizard will be in 3 or 4.
drunk dude
Maybe I'm just drunk, but I believe there are three possibilities for Villans in Spidey 3. Obviously, the Goblin reappearing in the form of the son. The Lizard because, well he's in #2. And Venom, now correct me if I am wrong but didn't the Venom Symbiote attach itself to an astronuat while he was in space and make its way to earth in that fashion? This being said, isn't JJ Jamason's son and Astronaut? I'm going out on a limb here but here is what I think is going to happen in a future Spidey movie (Maybe not 3 but at least 4). M.J won't marry JJJ's son (obviously from 2) and the son will be pissed, he'll go on another mission in space and the symbiote will return with him and he will become Venom. (They set this stuff up in 2 people, think aboot it). I can assure you that the SpiderMan series will NOT go beyond 4 movies. Anything beyond 4 and the only people they would have in the theater would be fans and we all know that is not going to make them a ton fo Money, which is what hollywood is all aboot.
drunk dude
Okay... you are all retards.... It is so obvious! Do you all realize that the studio that put out Spidey put out another Comic movie this summer. If you recall Punisher was released earlier this year. Spidey3 is going to be a crossover. That's all that makes since. Trust me, I work in the biz and know this is going to happen. I'm only going to say this once so pay attention. The Lizard will be in the next movie, but so will the Punisher. Harry Osborne will hire him to kill Spidey. When Punisher see's that Spidey is not an Evil do'er he will help spidey take down The Lizard and Hob Goblin (Harry O) and at the end of the movie they will both see Venom come to life, which will lead to the fourth and FINAL SpiderMan movie... Hope you enjoy this bit of info, because if anyone finds out I put it on the net it will end my career and someone will probably kill me.
wuTa
ok genius...your callin everyone retards when thats the most retarded thing anyone has ever posted....are u directing this films? no are u writing the script for these films? no....this is raimis story of spider-man not yours....noone gives a sh*t were u work and anyone with common sense knows that what you just posted is practically impossible and is not gonna happen..the punisher,spider-man, lizard,venom, and the 2nd green goblin all in the same film...you know you forget to add, magneto, the hulk, daredevil, and the kingpin...what the hell lets throw in howard the duck while we at it
drunk dude
You're right, it would be super neat-o to see Howard the Duck in a Spidey movie. That said, Please work on your reading comprehension! I didn't say all five would be in the movie. What I said was Spidey and The Punisher will face off and then they will handle Lizard. At the end of the film they will set it up for Venom and 2nd green goblin for the fourth and final film. I know you don't care where I work because you are happy with your career path working at either Kinko's or Subway( to each his own). I must agree that calling everyone retards was a poor choice of words and if I offended anyone, except my apology. But remember I am only a Drunk Dude........
VENOMfan
apology accepted. Now everybody play nice
badsymbiote
wu Ta-- You are so effin' funny...and right. Hey, drunk dude, are you my husband in disguise?
For future reference, thinking before you speak (or type), means never havin' to say you're sorry. As the parent of an autistic son, thoughtless comments like that are as unforgiveable as the person who utters them. And just so you know, I'm NOT sorry I said that, nor will I ever be.
Any validity your post may have had is completely lost on me. Maybe I'll read it again later. Thanks for risking your job security to tell us what'll happen in the next movies. You just made a heap of friends. And I probably just made a new set of enemies, but I'm not drunk enough to know for sure. OK--I feel better now.
wuTa
i think the name drunk d*ck suits you better than drunk dude,,,you tell me to chek my reading comprehenions...you need to check yours...you specifically said in your 1st post that the lizard, punisher, the hob goblin, are gonna be the main charactors in the next film and venom will be at the end of that film which is laughable at best and now you got a whole new theory about venom and the goblin are gonna be in the 4th film but i thought punisher and spidey were gonna take on the lizard and goblin in the 3rd film....c'mon i thought u were in the "business"... as far as me workin at subway or kinko..hey i'll take any job that puts me through college...its better than not havin a job, claiming to have the inside track that u obviosly dont... coz your supposely in the "business"...maybe you should keep to your own "business" and spare everyone your bull shit
The Unknown
Not sure about in the comics, but I did watch the animated series. In the series, the astronaut that found the symbiote WAS Jameson's son, but he wasn't Venom. The symbiote attached itself to Spidey and Spidey used it for a while. It turned him evil and he found a way to detach it from him. The symbiote then attached itself to Eddie Brock.
badsymbiote
So true. Dude, you're like school in the summertime--no class.
Telling wu Ta his comprehension needs work further demonstrates your ignorance. If you had a brain to speak of, you'd have read some of his other stuff before you criticized him. He writes the way he speaks--you can tell. The punctuation serves the reader with all they need to know to understand any intended change of inflection and all that crapola.
I have no trouble understanding him, and think his style is fairly eloquent without being arrogant. Furthermore, I'm just a waitress, but don't think for a second that since I have a simple job, I have a simple mind. You're an idiot if you equate salary with intelligence.
God bless the American super-ego. Oh, sorry--is it too late to be friends?
wuTa
thats pretty much how it was in the comics....that animated series stayed very true to the comics
Vengeance
to bad the movies don't. well anyway geeze slow down on drunk dude, man its not like he knifed you. plus i agree that it would never happen(what he drunk dude said about the next movies) but it would be cool. just becuase punisher is awsome, but i realy doubt they would put punisher in it. plus there might be a thing about lizard in the next movie but i think there doing the next gob thing(plz god no)
badsymbiote
wuTa didn't harsh out on the guy as much as I did. I'm not sorry for what I said, but I do regret that you guys are seeing it. It's just that there are alot of random derelicts posting insane things on here, and I think not challenging people who behave that way is just like condoning their nutty behavior. The way he spoke to everyone here was insulting--and when and if he comes back, I'm gonna have friendly little chat w/him.
drunk dude
None of you have to believe what I say, but you will realize I am correct when Spidey 3 hits theaters. I was only trying to give a little insight into what happens in hollywood, but if I am not appreciated then I will let you all speculate. I admit that I did use a poor choice in words and you all attack me. BTW I don't believe that salary dictates a persons mental apptitude. I just suggested that wuTa check his reading comprehension because he took what I said and changed it all around. I can't help it if he can not read and understand text properly. Kinko's and Subway are fine jobs, I just hope everyone strives for more in life. I have a meeting on Tuesday and if I hear of anything else I will try to pass it along. That is if anyone cares to hear it. Apparently wuTa doesn't. Check in with you all later.........
cornponious
First, a few words about the new spiderman movie:
I saw this on opening night. When I saw the FIRST spiderman movie, I thought that it could not have been done any better. This sentiment carries over to the sequel, even more so. As I walked out of the theater, I was beside myself with joy and contentment. It was about as close to perfect as it could have been. The characters were really fleshed out, The story was brilliant, and carried through at just the right pace. The dialog was intelligent and well thought out.
The scene I am most impressed with, and that has stayed with me most of all, is the elevated train scene, where Spidey stops it with his webs while standing in front of it. I thought Tobey's conveyance of the pain, anguish, and love for his fellow man that his character had during this scene was spot on. But when spiderman had stopped the train, and was about to fall off to the streets below, and the people in the train CAUGHT him and pulled him inside, carrying him over their heads, (at the expense of sounding geigh) it almost brought tears to my eyes.
Raimi nailed it with this one.
Just one question. I don't remember Dr. Conners. Which one was he in the film?
cornponious
The Unknown
He was Peter's professor.
Vengeance
if its the same Dr. Conners as in the comics why the hall does he have both arms. like realy another blow to the real spidy fans.
klipso
- conners only has 1 arm in the movie
- eddie brock is venom not JJ's son
- the punisher thing would ruin the movies
- they are talking about extending the contract from 3 movies to 5 movies
- the reason the movies are different from the comics is because they tried to make the characters beleavable, the goblin sute was made to be body armor, not a green spandex sute thats why it looks like that.
- i liked how the goblin looked
- i liked how doc ock looked
- the lizard is my least favorite bad guy and i do not care to see him in the movies
- what i think will happen is that durring the 3rd fillm parker will get the venom sybiote and use it as the costume when he fights harry and at the end of the 3rd fillm he will get rid of the symbiote and it will become venom in number 4 when it finds eddie brock
reppy
Hey guys,
Most of you will probably think what im about to say is all bs BUT my dad works for sony pictures Australia and worked on the filming for the 2nd movie (not the 1st one) and I have some backstage knowledge
There will be no lizard/venom in the 3rd one. There will be 4 super-power people running around (1 goodie/3 villians OR even 2 goodies and 2 villians .... ill leave you to discuss this) in the 3rd movie
It will be interesting to see what you think, I'll hand over some more tips if needed
A villian who hasnt been introduced yet will be in the 3rd one, and the movie is going to be very long
The 2nd movie has a slight twist, lets just say harry and peter are "friends" in the 3rd one
Someone up there ^^^ said that in the comics there are many villians between the green goblin and the hob goblin, correct
Thats all I have to say, be interesting to see what you guys think.
SPIDER SONIC
what i wanna know is how did the glider be in the secret room if it killed goby?shoudnt it be at the warehouse ?
SPIDER SONIC
kirsten dunst said thier will be no 4 only 3
badsymbiote
I appreciate the sentiment. Just choose your words more carefully. If you were in front of me, I'd a probably kicked your teeth in. But, I am a forgiving person by nature, so...behave yourself, and we'll get along fine. I respect that your opinion is different, but you can get everyone's attention just by posting what you know or think. Don't try to out duel any of us, k?
reppy
Wrong
The current actors just havent signed on for a 4th one, only a 3rd one at the moment.
reppy
How do I know your wrong?
My old man has a contract for another 3 movies
cornponious
I don't think it would ruin the movie because the Punisher's very first appearance was in a Spiderman comic.
corn
drunk dude
Did you ever think that there could be more than one glider? It was "suppossedly" a prototype for many more to be used by the government in war. It wasn't quite explained but that seems reasonable to me, but I could be wrong. I'm just some Drunk Dude....
greenreject182
I saw Spider-Man 2 at midnight on the 29th (or 30th, whatever you want to say), and I have to say, WOW. My favorite part was when all of the people on the train realized he was just a kid. It just felt so real. Anyway, I feel like the only person who actually wants Harry Osborn as the next villain. I don't care if he's the next Green Goblin, or Hob Goblin. Seeing the Lizard on the big screen would be nice, but I don't think every person who's seen the film knows that Dr. Connors becomes the Lizard. Everyone knows that Harry hates Spider-Man, and everyone knows that he finds his dad's old "equipment". No offense, but some people tend to forget that the movies don't have to be the same exact story as the comics or the cartoons. The writers could have Harry drink some of the formula that he found in his dad's place. Just think, Harry knows Peter like no villain ever could. And if the formula could make him insane, like his father, he could go after MJ or Aunt May. If Harry was the villain, the emotion in the movie would be at an all-time high. And I would love to see that. Remember, this is just my opinion, so don't attack me. Peace out.
drunk dude
Good luck greeneject.... most of the people on this board dont want hear anything than what they think should happen, so to voice another opinion is taking your life at risk. Shame on them but what can you expect from small mined people. I think Harry O would be a great next villian, for the same reasons as you. Don't expect to be welcome with opinions like that, they will probably all bash you...... they badhed me, but we'll see who right in the end!
wuTa
are u serious?....noone is gonna bash u for your a opinion....you didnt come off as givin your opinion you came off as "OK this IS whats gonna happen and I KNOW coz i'm in the business and everyone is a retard coz they dont know it"....you type somethin like that and u better expect to hear some sh*t....i dont come on these forums to ***** and argue with other members so i'm already gettin tired of this...look at any of badsymbiotes or my other posts and u could see that neither of us go around bashing opinions....sure i've had my share of arguments with other members but everytime i got one we were both man (or woman) enough to put it behind us....it dont look like thats gonna happen with your though
klipso
dont you know its wrong to have opinions? everybody knows that...
my opinion is that (i said it earlyer) peter should use the sybiote in the 3rd movie while fighting harry and then get rid of it,
in movie #4 teh sybiote could find eddie brock and become venom
because its too long of a story to do venom in 1 movie so they should break it up into 2
Vengeance
well all i no is they better have venom in it. it seems like they wanna ,becuase of the bringing in jj soon who go to space to bring back the sybiote.
badsymbiote
There aren't many people who want to see Venom more than I. But I'll take whatever they throw at me.
And after having watched the movie, I say it's definately feasible. What if they introduce Venom in the third--obviously he could only be there a short time--maybe just introduce him, and show him bonding with the symbiote, then he terrorizes the city for a little while, opposite the other major featured villain, and then in the fourth movie, Venom could soften a little and arise as as the city's new lethal protector. I know, I know, it screws up alot of what we know to be true in the marvel universe, but...
spideyfan192
DONT READ THIS UNLESS YOUVE SEEN SPIDERMAN 2 I think that The Lizard will be in spiderman 3 also. It has Doc Conners in spiderman 2 so its kinda suggesting he'd be in the third. I also highly doubt that Venom will be in 3 he would more likely be in 4. It would have to take about a whole movie or half to get his story sorted out. I've heard the rumor of J.J's son bring a symbiote back to earth from the moon, which could be likely. It would then have to bond with spidey until he abandons it for Eddie to become Venom which would take quite a while. It could be a good idea for the ending though. And also J.J's son is Man-Wolf so he's most likely to be in it to. And Harry becoming the Green Goblin. So it's possible for there to be 3 villians in Spiderman 3.
VENOMfan
I could see this happening, but if Venom is only a sub-villain if Spiderman quickly disposed of him I would probably puke right in the theater
even as a sub villain if the two tangle most chances are Venom pounds Spidey into jelly and goes his own way
badsymbiote
That's the thing about this movie, huh? It just leaves SO many possibilties...they have their choice of several directions, and despite my personal preferences (everyone who's been here more than a week knows how I feel about Eddie Brock), I honestly think that Harry's relationship w/Peter is going to be absolutely elemental in the subsequent film(s). James Franco's portrayal of Harry was extrmemly compelling and convincing--I'm going to go watch this movie again sometime this week.
badsymbiote
I'd puke, too. Then again--so it could get relly messy. I need every calorie I can get, so I hope they don't.
spideyfan192
I agree. Venom probably would smash spidey into jelly so they better actually make it that way. They shouldnt have Spidey just waste Venom cuz i to would also puke. I think if theyre gonna do Venom they should give him a story and make it worth while. Maybe even have Spidey lose to Venom once, make him realize he cant defeat every villian there is, But make it motivate him more.
badsymbiote
Thanks, wuTa-- You're cute when you're right. Now, if you'll excuse me, gents, I've got a pm to scribe to our new friend drunk dude.
HAPPY FOURTH, EVERYONE!
VENOMfan
OH THAT PIC TAKES ME BACK!!!!!
happy fourth ppl!
Real
ive said it before and i'll say it again, i think that venom should have his own movie...simple as that...focus on Brock instead of Parker...venom would make a great movie on his own...have spiderman cameo...but focus more on venom than spiderman
badsymbiote
Glad you like it, cutiepie.
VENOMfan
potential Venom movie
http://www.comics2film.com/ProjectFrame.php?f_id=217
badsymbiote
Sheer genius. You star the screenplay, I'll take care of casting. God, I wish Venom could have his own movie.
hotsauce6548
wait a minute, if raimi sed that the enemy in the third film will be the person introduced at the end then wouldnt the villian in the third film be harry osbourn as the green goblin or the hobgoblin since he was at the end of the movie
DanZeke25
yea... that's who i think it will be cause dr. connors wasn't at the end of the film
badsymbiote
I was so excited when I started reading this. Then I noticed the date. And then I read the content. I don't want a guy writing a Venom movie that doesn't even like the character.
Not exactly a labor of love.
Real
yeah that kinda sux...but it'd really be nice if sumone made it...
USCVampire
The only problem I had with that scene is that in the Spidey universe he can only press about 10 tons. For him to hold on to the webbing and be pushed by a moving train with several carts, plus the pull of the webs anchored to the buildings would be impossible. The physics involved are crazy, Spidey's arms would of been pulled off. I guess its just a nitpick, I thought he was just gonna build a giant net anchored to several buildings and have the train deselerate with just the power of the webs holding it. Although the way it was did add to the humaness of the character. Another nitpick I have is Doc Ock....he is only human...He has no super powers only super tentacles. One punch from Spider-Man and his head would cave in. Oh well
As for who will be in the next movie...I think Harry will realize that his father was wrong in being the Green Goblin and will struggle in knowing the real reason why Spider-Man "killed" his father and Sipder-Man being his best friend. Harry will use the suite and glider for good in allience with Spider-Man to defeat most likely the Lizard. However Harry's ego once he becomes a "hero" will surpass his selflessness and heroic well being. He will seek grandure and try and over shadow Spider-Man as NYC's ultimate hero. Spidey and Harry will clash, in their moral issues and the whole with great power comes great responsibility thing. Harry does not have what it takes to be a hero. This causes friction in their friendship because Spidey will not like how Harry does things. At the same time Harry will be tormented by the vioces in his head and ultimately become evil but will not really come into fruition until perhaps the 4th film. The idea of having the symiote come down with the aid of John Jameson is very plausible seeing as he was introduced in the second film and maybe or maybe not we'll see black suite Spider-Man but I don't think Venom will come until the 4th. It does seem that the Lizard is next in line....as for Dr. Conners having two arms in the movie, maybe we'll see him lose it in the third. Afterall they've taken some liberties with the story already, deviating slightly from the Comic.
As for the symbiote...in the comic didn't Spider-Man get the symbiote suite when he was transported in to outer space for the "Secret Wars" saga...in the Fox cartoon it was brought down by Jameson though.
The Unknown
Speaking of nitpicks, did anyone notice that he kept taking off his mask and then getting it back suddenly? Like on the train, he pulls it off while on top of the speeding train, yet the kids find it and give it back. And at the end, he pulls it off inside the dock building. The building sinks, yet he gets his mask back.
Real
comic book MOVIE...3 words that should explain everything...
reppy
Are you guys stupid? I just told you that my dad helped film spiderman2 and has a contract for another 3 movies and from the info ive been able to snag from him THERE IS NO VENOM/LIZARD in the 3rd one. Dont believe if you must =/
Real
i said i didnt expect there to be...Harry's gonna be Green Goblin...dude, regardless of what you have to say...if you see the movie its pretty damn obvious
USCVampire
What is with calling people stupid and retards on this board? Can we not have an opinion...I said I think, you said you know...not to mention you also said we'd probably think you're talking B.S. Pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical, afterall we don't even know you or your dad. Movies take time to develop and film and countless things are changed througout the production. You can't say something is certain. Who is your dad by the way? I'm sure if he worked on the film we can find him in the credits.
In what I thought was a possible third film I have Harry and Spidey "friends" just like you put it....the only reason why I said the lizard is because there is something called foreshadowing...and Doc Conners was introduced in the second...that's all. I'm not saying its truth I just created a hypothesis from what was made available to me. You claim to know the truth and I haven't completely discredited you, but is it really stupid to be skeptical?
Real
i personally would rather see lizard or any other villain than green gobby...but i will just have to wait like everyone else...the only thing that i consider stupidity is the nagging about the organic webs...everything else is fair game and NOBODY knows more than anyone else unless you can show proof...
klipso
DONT YOU KNOW HAVING OPINIONS IS WRONG
in my oppinion peter parker should find the symbiote and use it as teh costume while he is fighting harry, then at teh end of the movie he should get rid of the symbiote.
then in the 4th movie the symbiote should find eddie brock.
BTW: it never actually showed dock ock dieing so he could come back, when it showed him in the watter the lights on his arms were still on so he could still be alive.
badsymbiote
Are we stupid? Gee, apparently so. I know it never occured to me to break into a forum by calling everyone names. Your argument lacks one thing to support it. FACT. That is, undisputable truthful content.
Supply me with that, and I'm happy to climb aboard.
badsymbiote
It's ok. Skepticism is only a prized attribute among those who posses intellect. Thank you, USCVampire for helping stabilize this thread with yours.
badsymbiote
Oh, God, don't mention organic web shooters here--that's a real hot issue. But, personally, I'm game if you are. And the great web-shooter debate begins anew...
Real
i said its a stupid thing to debate...i dont giva a damn about it...people who do need to grow up
badsymbiote
Im 31. So, I think it's you who needs to grow up. Maybe instead of web-shooters, we can dicuss the subtelties of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. Like sarcasm, for example. Which my last post was dripping with, but seemed to miss you ENTIRELY. You want some of me too? Jesus.
Vengeance
well w/e the kid said about his father working at some gay place and knowing the script. B.S. my friend. like how many times have i heard that story. so many plp say that with another story of how it all will happen, so forgive me if i dont give a crap about what you say. i hope you are telling the truth but i cant no for sure. s dont go telling us we're stupid.
klipso
i would rather not see the lizard in the 3rd one,
the contract is only for 3 movies right now so they will finish up with harry as the next vilian, because they dont know if they will make a next one.
Vengeance
i wouldn't mind the lizard but i dont wanna see him be before alot of other villians. i think i could wait for the lizard.
klipso
Quinton beck !!!!!!
i want to see mysterio in at least 1 of the movies, that would be funny
Predator 89
Well, the lizard is pretty cool he's a vilan that hasn't been done yet. but for spider-man 3 i'd like someone who's more on par with spidey. Like Scopion for exaple. In Harry's demented state he gets Mat Gargan and turns him into the Scorpion to hunt and destroy Spidey. While at the same time becoming the Green Goblin. This is just my theory though. It probably won't even happen.
Vengeance
scorpion wouldn't be bad if it was a minor enemy while a bigger one was there to.
klipso
if i remember right harry never hired the scorpion, it was JJ
tie_kings
all i want to know is what happenes to that chick in the apartments that gives peter parker cake. Gawd was she villainous!
klipso
they should do what they did in the cartoon,
mary jane gets kidnapped and goes missing
later he finds out that shes dead
i skipped the part where she shows up and he finds out that she is a clone of the real one who died, because the clone thing would be lame in the movies
didnt any of you watch the cartoon?
Rhino
the lizard could be in the 3rd...u see connors near the beggining of the film and maybe he's the lizard when u see spidey at the end with the helicopters
Vengeance
yea i watched the cartoon. but i dont think they should do that it would be to lame to introduced portals and that crap. it like all the other dying cartton suoerhero shows they always end up with space or sci fi thing like portal and so on.
The Unknown
MJ never died in the cartoon. She just got trapped in an alternate plane or something. Madam Web takes Peter to her in the series finale.
klipso
all i remember about that is maddom web got a whole bunch of parralel universe spidermen and they had to go do something togeather,
Live-wirE
OK I'm new here BUT i have to say i read people in the from saying they symbiote came from space yes this is true you also say the cartoon stayed true to the comic ??? some places yes but the origin of the symbiote was not from jamsons son it came from the secrets wars that spiderman went to THAT is true to the comic, if you don't know what the secret wars were go look it up the internet is good for that but back to the symbiote, SpiderMan really trashed his costume. He came across two other heroes who earlier had similar problems and told him there was a wondrous machine capable of making any article of clothing you can think of. Unfortunately for poor Spidey, they neglected to tell him where to find it. SpiderMan did find a device that he thought looked like "it wants to make a costume". It produced a small, black ball that initially set off his spidersense as he picked it up. The ball oozed over the confused hero and became a black costume. SpiderMan wore the costume for a few months, enjoying the fact that it produced its own webbing and could change to mimic his civilian clothes. This all came to an end when SpiderMan discovered his nifty new threads were actually an alien symbiote trying to bond to him permanently. Mr. Fantastic separated the two with his "sonic blaster" and captured the symbiote for study. It should be noted that during the period that SpiderMan wore the alien costume, there was evidence that the symbiote somehow fed on his adrenaline. The costume escaped and rejoined Spider-Man briefly, but the hero tried to kill the symbiote using the noise from a church's bell tower. The plan worked too well, and the symbiote saved Spidey's life before hiding itself in the church. The other half of this future combo, Eddie Brock, was the star investigative reporter for the Daily Globe. Eddie was a particularly driven man driven to seek the approval of his stonehearted father. It stands to reason that when his biggest score a man confessing to be the then-active SinEater was exposed as a fraud when the real SinEater was captured by SpiderMan, Brock went a little over the edge. The paper fired him, his father disowned him, and his marriage ended. Brock's mind locked onto SpiderMan as the source of all his woes and thus began Brock's burning hatred of the WallCrawler. But life continued to deal harshly with Brock, and soon he decided to commit suicide. Stopping by a church to pray before he did the fateful deed, Brock's intense hatred of SpiderMan was noticed by the symbiote who had been hidden there since its last confrontation with SpiderMan. The two bonded and became Venom.
Red Superfly
Oh well, if it's going to end at Spider-Man 3, then I guess it's time for Harry's Goblin. It would end it nicely in a self-contained Trilogy. It must be hard for Raimi to make these movies and make their characters so well fleshed out, and because Raimi has done a superb job, I'm sure 3 will be great no matter what.
SpyCspider
Yea..still pisses me off they never told us where she was and whether Peter gets back wit her...cept Madame Web saying "we're going to find the REAL Mary Jane Watson. It's been a long journey and I think you're finally entitled to some reward...." (something along those lines).
And then Peter goes: "Amen to that dear lady, amen to that."
weak.
Cowboyography
OK so if your reading this you want to know what happens in Spidey three. Well here you go:
Jamesons's son returns from space bringing along with him the Symbiot suit. The Symbiot gets free and disappears, then the real story of spidey 3 begins. We get a little story about Eddie Brock/Parkers Fued, then Conners is turned into The Lizard by an experement gone wrong (Boy imagine that, an experiment gone wrong in spideyland? No). Anyhow Harry becomes Hob/Green Goblin and teams up with Conners as the Lizard. Harry will no dought trick conners into fighting Parker/Spidey, and Spidey loses. on the brink of death Sipdey Joins with the Symbiot and destroys Harry and Conners, relizing he just killed his Best Friend and his favorite teacher, Peter goes into a Frenzy and rips himself from the Symbiot, and the closing scene is Eddie Brock down on his luck because you guessed it, Peter just put him out of work, is walking down a dark Alley and the symbiot creeps down from a dark roof above.
THE END
Mr Parker
yeah the 3rd one is going to suck especially if they have harry looking like the goblin looked like in the first film.I have heard people I know of that like me, hated the first film but really enjoyed the 2nd film,people will begin to hate the film series if harry looks like the goblin costume looked like in the first one,all green.looks like the 2nd movie is going to shape up to be the best of the movies.
Xam
did anyone buy the animated spider-man dvd called: spider-man vs doc ock...well i did and in one of the episodes spidey says something like"i cant take on both of them" anyway my point is that spidey 3 could be like Lizard and Hobbgoblin against Peter....it would be so cool to see that punch line in the 3rd movie what do you guys think?
badsymbiote
I think a super-villain team-up would be cool, but a solo mission is fine as well. I'm really happy with these movies--the screenplay is great, and the casting has been absolutely fantastic to date. It would be nice to see Parker just a little funnier, though, but I can't comlain.
beaujay1
i think it would suck if Harry was the bad guy, mainly because i feel sorry for him.....he seems so confused....... sorry im not into all this spidey stuff although i do like the movies....so whos lizard????
badsymbiote
He's Dr. Curt Conners--after losing an arm, he begins experimenting with some bioengineering using reptilian dna in an effort to regenerate his lost limb. Interesting character. His experiment of course, goes awry, and thus the Lizard is born.
The Unknown
I was expecting that Pete would go to Dr. Conners due to his problem with his powers and then Dr. Conners would do experiments on him. Then he'd use that info to try and get his arm back, leading into the next movie.
SpiderGurl
Hi I'm new here and I've never watched the cartoon series nor have I read the comics, but Spiderman 2 has made me a SPiderman fan!! It's that powerful of a movie! Anyway, I believe that for new fans like me who aren't as informed about the original storyline would prefer to see Harry as the villain in Spiderman 3... or at least I believe it should be that way. First of all, if you want a movie to make lots of money, you need it to appeal to EVERYONE.. including girls like me who think James Franco (Harry Osbourne) is drop-dead gorgeous. Seriously, if it weren't for him, I wouldn't have gotten so crazy about Spiderman. I also think that they should just make Spiderman a trilogy cuz if they keep chugging out movies they'll run out of steam and ppl will lose interest. Just look at Harry Potter.. this 3rd one is making less money than the previous 2, even though it's getting better reviews from critics. So yeah, that's my opinion and btw, I have to say this again.. James Franco is HOT!!
The Unknown
SpiderGurl, would you truly want to sit through the Green Goblin in another movie (not that the first movie was bad)? It would be boring to see the same suit and everything. If they're having Harry as the villain, he should be the Hob Goblin.
Shade
they shouldn't have the Gobbie in next one anyway... Maybe fourth or fifth
aussiefan
I think there will be tons of villains in the third movie but not all be be main.
I think the Lizard will play the main part as well as Harry but he will not be GG2 yet. I think the Shocker and the Rhino will appear to have cameo fights with spidey just to steam up the action because in the comics there is more than one villain at one time. I think Eddie brock will have an apppearance and will travel with John Jameson to space where he will find the symbiote in which in the fourth movie he will turn into venom. I also think in the third movie that John Jameson will have some confrontation between him and Peter because he has taken MJ and will give a hint of how he will turn into Man-wolf. Last but not least I think they will show Gwen Stacey who I think should be be played by Anna Paquin who played Rouge from the xmen movies.
The Unknown
IMO, they shouldn't do Man-Wolf. Too many werewolf movies out as it is. They should just stick to the classic villains and Venom.
The Unknown
Actually, it introduces the feud in a subtle way in the first Spider-Man movie. If you listen carefully to the scene where Peter first goes to the Daily Bugle, Robbie says that Eddie's tried to get pics of Spidey, but he hasn't been able to.
wuTa
i think the lizard would be a way better villian than another goblin... alot of people dont agree with me but if you htink about the lizard would be one of the best villians...like..the 1st time you see him would be in the sewer or somethin and he could be attackin someone and all you would hear is him growlin or see just see his red eyes in the dark that would be tight...plus spider-man would have to fight him in the sewer..how often do u see a giant lizard and a kid in a costume duke it out in the sewers?....i think they could make a sewer fight scene just as good as the train fight scene...and this would be the 1st time in the movies that spider-man would be goin up agaisnt somethin that isnt even human... but it doesnt look like none of this is gonna happen
SpiderGurl
Well I'm not saying that I never want to see these other villains-- Lizard and Venom-- in a Spiderman movie ever. I think that Raimi should first end this Harry Osbourne-Peter Parker angst in the 3rd one to make it a nice trilogy, and other villains can come in 4, 5, and 6 with a new cast of actors and new director (since none of the current ones are planning to do more than 3 spiderman movies anyway). I don't mind seeing green goblin again because what matters to me is that I want to know how Harry resolves his issues, not just leave it hanging for another 2 movies which would be like milking the movies for all it's worth and I don't like that. It would be nice if Harry got a slightly better costume than his dad though.
The Unknown
IMO, they should have the Sinister Six and have Harry (as Green Goblin) replace Doc Ock.
Xam
is felicia going to be in 3????i hopt so
The Unknown
Dr. Conners is also mentioned in the first movie.
bakerboy
Are you refering to man spider 3? Because any spiderman movie hasnt been made. Only some man spider movies that are a total betrayal.
Red Superfly
Well said.
There's many options the directors could take, and I'd be happy regardless of which villain they choose.
Even if it is Harrys Goblin, I'm sure Raimi will do a bang up job on the character, and do the license justice yet again.
It's just that, from a marketing perspective, when people have seen Green Goblin and Dock Ock in action, they'd be expecting somone else for 3 yet again. I can imagine people saying "WTF?" if they see Green Goblin in the trailer for Spidey 3.
I'm guessing The Goblin would have to be a different kind of Goblin, just for the sake of interest. They cant have him throwing things at Spidey, flying around all over the place, when we've already seen the best that the Goblin has to offer in Spiderman 1. That gets me thinking that if Harry does become the Goblin - there may be another villain, possibly The Lizard (which would make sense considerring he'd need to be manipulated and used) to add to the drama. It would make an awesome movie considerring Spideys greatest threat is now in the form of his best friend and his mentor.
Mr Parker
Yes Bakerboy,he is referring to MAN-SPIDER 3 because there hasnt been a spider-man movie made yet.
Mr Parker
if they did that,they would have to call the movie MAN-WOLF VS MAN-SPIDER.
The Unknown
What are you talking about, lol? And who were you talking to?
The Unknown
Don't know if someone already posted this, but I read in an interview that they're making a Venom movie without Spiderman, and having Carnage as the villain.
Xam
BAKERBOY AND MR PARKER ARE RIGHT,THATS MANSPIDER 3 COMING OUT,THERE HAS BEEN NO SPIDERMAN MOVIE MADE YET.
badsymbiote
The Lizrd's inclusion also opens up a bunch more story angles and opportunities--his relationship factors in big to both Peter and even Eddie, and gives the two another possible conflict. But, like u said, how or if this manifests itself has yet to be seen.
The Unknown
What is Man-Spider anyways? I've always heard about it and that there's been a feud over it. What is it?
SpiderGurl
People who believe Raimi did a bad job of depicting Spiderman in the movies refer to them as Man-Spider 1 and 2. My guess is that Mr. Parker started this and gained a couple of followers.
SpecialGuest
Now harry is going to be the hobb goblin not the green goblin....its the same story as in the comic ....basically
VENOMfan
try reading the comics, Harry never becomes the Hobgoblin
he becomes the Green Goblin II
The Unknown
In the comics, Peter doesn't call himself the Human-Spider when he goes to the wrestling contest. He just calls himself Spider-man. I don't know where Man-Spider came from.
Zephonim
That has always kind of bugged me. People seem to get the Hobgoblin and the second Green Goblin messed up. The Hobgoblin was just a crazy hood. Harry picks up where his dad left off and recreates the Green Goblin.
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