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I have to say sometimes the things I see with children these days disturbs me.

An example......

I was downtown one night, it was about 3 am or so, and very cold.
I was with a bunch of my friends (we are all 16), maybe 6 of us altogether.
So we were in line to get these tickets to a concert, and had to be there early.

All of us were dressed warmly, sweaters, long pants, and the likes, I looked down the line and what do you see.

I swear, children no older than 10-12, out this early, no parents at all, and it was two little girls.
They were wearing between then, enough fabric to make one shirt for a normal human being
Now personally I find this very disturbing children that young wearing such exposing clothing, and you should have seen the amount of make-up, painted up whores if anything

When I was their age, I was wearing normal children clothing, wore my hair in pig-tails, and barely wore lip gloss
I see it more and more nowadays, at the movies, little girls wearing something close to bikinis

Horrific sights really

Now for the question, what do you think is responsible for it?
Is it the media? (Britney, Christina, and the likes)
Indifference from parents?
Or the clothing manufacturers and such?
Peer pressure?

All of them--media puts pressure on people to have sex. Clothing manufacturers advertise their clothes via sex appeal. Peer pressure to have sex; that's all it's about these days

I swear to god some of the things these children do now

hmm...about a simple one worded answer?
TREND

the rest are just reasons and explanations

You cannot blame the entertainers. It is not their fault. Just because a BMW commercial is aired, doesn't mean everyone who sees it will buy one.

The problem is the household. What sane, down-to-earth parent would allow said child on the streets of the "GTA" wearing something a prostitute would ordinarily wear?

Is it necessary for a child to dress in that manner? No. Halter tops, belly tops, and such articles of clothing should be left to people who can fulfill the requirements. They are almost in High School, yes... but until that happens, no thanks. No 'provocative' clothing.

Make-up.... little things is okay. If the scale reads two different things pre and post application, then we have a bit of a problem . They will be eventually wearing make-up, so moms should be making it a bonding period for them.

So, to answer your question, Sils... yes. They are growing up too fast, but parents are not doing anything to hinder this.

I saw an ad the other night advertising BRATZ dolls. The ad had these dolls and then little girls in a nightclub type atmosphere. They were sitting at a bar and then they were dancing wel...let's just say small children should not know HOW to dance the way they were dancing. It's all in marketing. It's becoming more and more blatant all the time. It's in the music, commercials, clothes, TV, everywhere. What happened to letting kids be kids?

I can too blame the entertainers, Britney Spears started with a wholesome girl next door image, and now look at her

She can clearly see she's a role model to alot of children, yet her excapades are very unnerving, looking at some of her videos and such

Its everyones fault truly in my view way leads onto way and influences the next level which escalates the next and so forth... everything is breaking down ...

It's really sad...I swear, I see 10-12 year olds who are wearing less clothing than I do all the time. And I'm 18. Really, what kind of parent would let their kid wear stuff like that? And let kids that age out at 3 am? Hell, only just since I've turned 18 have I been allowed out at 3 am!

ok as a mother of 3 kids ages 22, 21 & 10 I got to go with the whole parents being to blame. All the others are reasons why kids try and get away with dressing and acting waaay beyond their years but the blame lies at HOME. My oldest daughter was always trying to go out the door in shorts up to her butt cheek line and I was always stopping her and making her change. The simple fact is alot of todays parents dont have time to give a damn what their kids are doing much less wearing........just one mom's opinion here.

i swear to god, you kids just popped up out of nowhere. when i was in high school, none of the girls look like what these young women look today. not only wardrobe-wise but also physically. whenever i see girls like how silver tears described them, i think it is a combination of things... mostly what she said too. but in regards to the parents, maybe the parents are too strict and the girls find rebellion in that sort of thing. and maybe the parents are too lenient and the girls are trying to push the envelope.

the media... well, you watch the same tv programs that i do. the sitcoms, the movies, these f*cking reality shows. if you watch the real world all you can see is 7 strangers sharing 1 jacuzzi and start getting "real"... oh, shut the f*ck up!!! people in the real world don't shack up 7 at a time and jump into a jacuzzi and get sloshed and have sex... well, maybe once in a while-- but thats another story. and yes britney spears -- who is marrying for love by the way -- dancing and prancing all over the stage with almost nothing on. oh, i have no complaints right now, but when i get my kids... it'll be a nightmare (can i get a witness?)

and the clothing industry? they just wanna get their money. they could care less. is it their fault? no... the shirt doesn't show anything, it's harmless. it's who wears the shirt and how they see the shirt being worn. a white t-shirt is harmless until they see somebody wear all cut into half and slit in the middle of the neckline to show cleavage.

in conclusion, there are two words that are responsible for this IMO... parenting and society. a bad parent has no equal when comes to f*cking a kid up. we as a society got to liberal with showing skin and yet we get so bent outta shape when a t!tty pops out in live tv. get a grip america... do you know how much "porn" is shown on cable and satellite tv? and these shows come on at around 8 in the evening. i say get of the couch and spend a little time with the kids... and always remember, it takes a village to raise a kid. ask for help if need be... god knows it took 2 to raise me... too bad they were all idiots.

actually i do in a way think kids are growing up faster.



i was in h.s 2 years ago and graduated at 17 now im 19.



i still act like a kid.


lmao as a matter of fact so does my grandmother and she's in her 70's.


it's true what parents say your only a kid once.


when i hit 20 im gona feel like an old m'fer.

it is also the group pressure at school too, all kids want to feel acepted so they dress like the "in crowd" The in crowd have always been inspired by whos hot at the moment, so yes entertainers do have a slight responsibility in the way they dresses. The manufacturers have a larger responsibility though, I mean tiny black T-shirt with Pornstar in golden letters over the chest made in size small. Nah not good, but then again it is the parents that buy clothes(usually)for their kids, so of course the end line of responsibility lies with them.

Here in Norway it is illigal to advert directly toward kids, yeah right nobody is enforcing that law though. Tv station that is not transmitting from Norway aint affected by this law , they have to follow the laws of the country in which they are situated. So some channels spew out tv ads with kids as their target group. So media have a responsibility too

I'd blame the parents. They shouldn't be allowing their kids to dress like little hussies. Also the fact that is morally acceptable these days for young girls too dress like that.

Everyday, it seems I see younger and younger children dressing in skimpy clothes, it's not to far off that we see babies wearing mid-drift shirts, thong diapers, and a baby bra.

The worst part is, these girls sometimes actually look sexy. (yeah yeah, don't pretend that at least once, you haven't been turned on by some underage girl dressed like a little whore) They walk around in their little shirts and thongs, and I'm all of a sudden the bad guy for checking them out. If they don't want horny perverts like me checking them out, they shouldn't be wearing that shit, it comes with the territories.

Oh well, one good thing will come of this, when they grow older, and become little sluts, it will be easier for me to get some poon then it is now.

but they do and that creates the group pressure. It takes balls to withstand that cause who wants their kid to be the odd kidd out

Kids shouldnt have mobile phones maybe in some circumstances to contact their parent and emergencies, but not for texting and calling their friends all the time .brain cancer

Well, if I had to choose between having my kid be the odd one out, or having her dress like a little ****, I'd definately prefer her being the odd one out.

you prefer yes, what about her. She is the one who has to face the reality at school and being hte odd kid out cant be all that pleasant. Kids can be cruel you know. Good thing in this though is that some schools take responsibility and dont allow skimpy clothing. I think school uniforms are a good thing, I wish they had that here in Norway

damn in trying to type fastTHE always ends up with being hte

No, being the odd kid out isn't that pleasant, but tough shit. That's exactly the problem with this day and age. Parents are too leniant on their kids. Parents watch to much Oprah, telling parents to listen to their kids and trust them. Then they turn into these sissy parents. They worry about their kids being mad at them because they're forcing them to dress accordingly when they go to school.

My philosophy: if the kid isn't pissed off at their parents on a regular basis, then the parents aren't doing their job. Parent's arent' supposed to be primarily buddies with their kids, they need to be parents first and being a parent constitutes making good decisions for their children when they are to young to make good decisions on their own.

They may be mad at their parents in the mean time, but I'm willing to bet that a child who had parents that didn't allow her to dress like a whore and actually had boundaries set for their child will become a much more stable adult then a child who was able to do whatever they wanted just because it was the current "trend".

I don't really agree with uniforms, however. I think children should be given choices, as long as their choices are within reason.

Oh, I know. It's a pain.

i agree with what ur saying sliver.
i mean, for a short example, my couzin is only 11 years old, and he has had 4 cellphones...i dont even have a cellphone...lol.and im 16 years old....things are crazy these days....

here it's not that bad yet, though it is being more and more "common"

kids of what? 12 ? thinking that they are already so mature they can do and say everything they want... as previously said, the clothing and all, smoking cause it's oh so cool... having the latest mobile phone to show off...

I take that it's just a foolish phase, that as soon as they actually have to do something for school or life in general, they'll get that they can't keep it up

Okay that is really disturbing. I'm 14 and never dress like that, right now I'm wearing jeans and an orange T-shirt with a white long-sleeve shirt underneath but visable where the orange short-sleeves end. But sometimes I wear sing-lit tops, I can't resist. Some kids are growing up WAY to fasy, these kids in my class are 14 and they've lost thier virginity. Also one of the girls lost it to a 17 year old, thats a three year age difference, what sick guy would do it with a girl that young. But then again my friends dad whos 56 does it with 18 year old girls, now that's sick!

oookay...maybe that's a bit too much info for this

theyre not actually "growing up" though, just acting it

Several weeks ago I was laying out in the sun catching a few rays and these 2 girls came out to catch some rays. They were both wearing skimpy bikini tops and thongs. Very little left to the imagination. They hit me up for cigarettes and pretty much starting 'acting' very 'grown up.' I asked them how old they were. They looked at me like I'd lost my mind. They were 13! 13? Where are the freakin' parents? It all comes back to the parents as it should. Kids NEED to be taught AT LEAST the very basics of common sense.

you know in medieval times it was common for boys of eighteen to have unbroken voices? So I think yes.

little girls about 8 are starting to wear slutty clothes and all these little children all have camera phones and it's weird...

wow i've got a little sister about 9, i'll make sure that non of this happens to her

but that's just the human race changing, not kids growing up too fast... They also used to castrate boys who had nice singing voices so they would stay tenors...

I'm in agreement. I wore a uniform in grades 1-4 and then again in grade 10-12. And never did I feel more out of place than in grades 5-8. Mainly because my parents didnt have alot of money so we couldnt wear the "cool" clothes. When I rolled around to high school it was SO much better. Everyone looked the same. Only competition was shoes!

School Uniforms...

I was privelaged enough to have to wear a uniform. Same grey slacks, either a green or white polo, a white oxford, or a green fleece for the shirt, oxford (casual) dress shoes. A lot of people complained about the uniform, but I didnt mind it all that much. Less of a hassle in the morning trying to pick out what to wear. Plus, seeing girls in kilts was the shiz-nit! drool

But, if I may get serious here for a second...

It is nice that these 10-12 year old girls have cell phones. It is always nice to know that you can contact you child anywhere (so long as it is on, and has signal) and they you. But when I was 18, I had a cerfew of midnight. These kids have it too easy.

PARENTS, DO NOT BE AFRAID OF YOUR CHILD! I never had a 'time out' when I got in trouble. I got spanked! You think it is all the media? No! Show anything you want... but these kids dont have jobs! They need to get this clothing somehow. They need to get out of the house in it. PAY ATTENTION to them.

Sorry about the caps.

You know those pants/shorts that some girls wear, that tend to have things like "CHEERLEADER" or "ANGEL" or something like that written across the ass? I saw a little girl - I swear she was FOUR - wearing shorts like that that said "SURFER GIRL." And I thought it was bad when ten-year-olds wore these kinds of things... what parent in their right minds would buy something like that for their four-year-old?!

I think what's partly to blame is that you just can't find normal clothes anymore. It's all these skin-tight t-shirts and skirts that I would classify as belts and shorts with an inseam of -1, and you can't find a pair of jeans with a zipper bigger than 3 inches. And I'm seeing clothes like this in the little kids' section, too.

I predict that within five years, the earth's population will wear nothing but bikinis, if they wear anything at all.

As for the parents/media thing... my wrists hurt, so I'll just say that you all said it better than I could have.

So far all we have done is target the female population of Pre-Teens. What about the guys?

I was supervising a dance at a local youth centre and when I was leaving, one of my friends was walking to his car with a few others. I stopped to talk to him, and he was telling me about how one of the people that was at the dance was trying to pick a fight with him. I laughed, considering the typical age group at the dance was 11 and he was 19. When we were talking, we heard "there is that fu**ing fa**ot that is scared to fight me!"

It was this little spanish 'gangta' kid wearing clothes that were too big for me! Incredible what these little punks think they can get away with now-a-days.

yeah, but when they act all tuff and you give them one good punch, they start crying out for their mommy

yeah and here's the problem with the preteen-teen society

Girls: clothes
Guys: Cussing
Both: Sex, Drugs, Alcohol and Smoking

No?

Oh don't even get me started on the little punks running around.

Granted I'm not much older, but for christ's sake buy a friggin belt you little hoodlum. Acting all tough and wearing pants below your knees is not what I find attractive.

But maybe the pre-teen 'Jail Bait' find that attractive.

Yerssot... punching the kid can land me in jail. I grabbed his arm, dragged him inside, and sat with him till mommy and daddy came.

Lets just say the kid hasnt been back since.

well, of course you shouldn't beat the hell out of him just cause he is trying to be all cool ...

....no matter how much the little shithead deserved it?

yup, cause otherwise you might get more problems

Touche!

More likely due to chemical additives in food nowadays accelarating growth.

Absolutely. It's insane what kids (people under the age of 18) are saying, doing, and wearing now.

I am totally afraid to have kids, just because I know what they'll be exposed to. By that time, I'll probably feel the need to home school 'em.

I'll be the first to admit that I was no angel. And I grew up WAY too fast...but even with everything I was exposed to and experienced, I'm sure it all pales in comparison to what's going on today..

Strong words, Alison.

I was no 'angel' myself. But my parents always kept me in line. Discipline is the way to keep them in check.

i was an angel, until i reached 14 when i wass in 8th grade, but then again i went to a private school all my life

Discipline has nothing to do with it.

It has to do with what kids are exposed to. Besides, parents can't discipline actions they don't know about. Kids are never going to be honest in what they tell their parents they're up to. My parents weren't, I wasn't, and I don't expect my kids to be.

The key, I think, is communication. Rather than trying to shield them from things they can't, parents need to talk with their kids about these things. Most parents avoid talking about things like sex and drugs, like the plague. But it needs to be done. (And often!) Kids listen to their parents more than parents think. Also, praise and rewards for good behavior are both far more effective than simply punishing bad behavior.

indeed

o and i think your sig is staring at me

clapthumbsup

I'm a good boy, can I get a reward now

::::hands yerssot a cookie::::

not the reward I was hoping for but heck

When me and my twin bro were walking around town these little ten-year old losers were getting smart to us. They tried to punch him but my brother kneed him in the stomach, the kid feel to the ground and screamed blood murder! so me and my borther just got the hell outta thier and left!
These 13 year old sluts were calling me and my friend sluts when we were at the movies so we just started saying "isn't it past your bed time? I think Mummy's getting worried about you" snd they went off packing a sook. Also my Dad's pretty leniant when it comes to time, I'm fourteen and he let me go to the midnight session of a movie once.

my parents are very lenient i was going out with a boy at fourteen and got to sleepover at his house though nothing happened i thought it was great but these little girls are acting far too old and getting into so much trouble these days!

i mean all you hear about these days is the rate of teenage pregnancy and rapes, attacks and alsorts!

well i knew about the pregnancies but not quite the rapes

oh my, Forcizzle, you do go outside from time to time, right?

yes only to get some sun so my black look doens't go to white, and then it's right back in

do use a lot of sunblocker

oh yes, becuase everyone know that black people get sunburn easily

hmphf! go to your room!

I don't buy the whole thing of blaming the parents man. Here's why...

Parental methods don't determine the outcome of a kids life in any concrete way. It depends highly on the kid. It's time people realised kids aren 100% innocent things and do bad stuff too.

Example.

If a girl or boy has a terrible homelife with terrible parents, when they get older they should have the presence of mind to see what their parents are like and say "Yo this isn't how I wanna live my life. I wanna make something of myself."

Flipside is that if you have parents who smother affection on their kids and give them everything they want, then shelter them too. The kids are gonna wonder what they are being protected from. There's nothing more pleasing to MOST young teens than the prospect of proving your elders/parents wrong. Which is why alot of kids go off the rails.

Parents shouldn't think they have to be proven wrong or right. It should be about sharing responsibility. A parent should know that they are only responsible for guiding the kid. You can't enforce rules like a prison coz one day they'll hit 18 and can do whatever the hell they want. Which they WILL use against their would-be oppressors. You gotta know that it's gotta be 50/50. Teach the kid and guide them yes, but don't live for them coz when they are at the stage of living for themselves they'll either struggle or go off the rails.

I hate this damn hypocricy about "Ohh are our kids dressing too raunchily?". Listen, society complain about how disgusting and filthy paedophilia/pedophilia is. Yet the people that complain are the ones dressing their kids up like 18 year olds to go to beauty pageants. Perfect example is The Olson Twins. All this bullshit about them being sexy all of a sudden. Newsflash folks, you don't instantly become sexually attracted to someone or think they are nice in a physical way, JUST as they hit legal age. What happens is, the millions of people who do like under aged girls/boys in the public eye don't say anything coz they know they'd be the first ones to call someone sick if they said it.

People need to start actually blaming kids too. Any kid above 5 knows what they are doing. If a 6 year old punches a kid in the face and says "I didn't mean it" or "I didn't know what I was doing", they'd be lying. Kids contrary to mass belief, are not gifts from Heaven and they are not angels.

I know a girl who had a terrible homelife. But when she reached adolescence she could have looked at her life and said "I don't wanna be this way". She CHOSE to go out and sleep around and get pregnant. That's not her mother or fathers fault, that's hers. She knew what sex was and knew the risks. She did it coz she wanted to.

So before we all blame TV, the movies or anything else. We should blame those committing the wrongs. Coz none of the above are wholly to blame, including parents. If my parents were alcoholics and I watched pure violent movies, I wouldn't wanna go out and get pissed to start fights. Why? Coz I'm not a moron and anyone who reaches adulthood with the failure to understand BASIC right and wrong, is one.

-AC

But then who raises the kids? the parents, it is how the parents bring up there kids, it matters if there too lenient or too strict, so therefore it is also more of the parents fault, not just the media's

All I can say is a LOT of kids go off the rails.

"But then who raises the kids? the parents, it is how the parents bring up there kids, it matters if there too lenient or too strict, so therefore it is also more of the parents fault, not just the media's"

While you need a good balance of lenient parenting and strict parenting, the point I'm trying to make is that there's responsibility between parent and child. Parents could be the best in the world, yet if the kid gets to ages where they are thinking for themselves and decide to do drugs blindly or sleep around or lower and degrade themselves, it isn't the parents fault.

What people need to realise is kids aren't holy, they are to blame also. Cut the child worship.

Media is only capable of being blamed up until a certain age right? Coz by rights children should get to the age where they know things aren't imitatable and think "Right, that guy shot that guy with an uzi, but it's not something I should do in real life" or "That guy raped that woman. Not right, I wont be doing that." Right? So who do you blame when kids are becoming young adults and then reach adulthood and are still being influenced. Who you gonna blame? The media still? The parents? No. Coz they for the most part, aren't to blame.

Like I said, I've known girls and boys of adolescent age with terrible homelives who have made the right choice. I have also known girls and boys who have had similar homelives and gone out to be involved in crime or worse. There comes a time when it goes beyond being able to put it down to bad parenting. A big part of bad parenting is blaming the wrong people. All society is doing by not looking at why things go wrong, are just doing the bad parenting thing on a larger scale.

Back to lenient/strict parenting though...

That's all very well and good. But some parents consider leniency to be letting their kids watch a movie with a sex scene. Others consider leniency as letting their kids openly be exposed to harmless pornographic material. Some people view strict as sending their kids to bed at a certain time. Others may view it as laying down the law on what is wrong and right about sex, drugs and whatever else.

Parenting is about not only balancing out leniency and strict rules, but what parameters they extend into and also shared responsibility. Not living for the kid but guiding them. Recognising that as they get older you need to find out if your methods of parenting have worked and they become a good person without your aid.

It's not as black and while as being lenient, strict and focusing on the media. The way to shape up is to realise first of all, as I have been saying, that kids aren't innocent or holy or gifts from God just because they are a result of reproduction. They are humans and responsible for their own action also. So if they act like morons, blame THEM for doing so.

If a 40 year old man watches an X-Men movie, goes out and stabs someone in an imitation of Wolverine, he's called insane. If a kid does it, the movie is banned. The kid is just as at fault as the man. You either believe in punishment equaly for all ages or you can shut the hell up.

-AC

To me this is neither a trend (because if it was the case it would mean that in 5 years all teens could dress as they used to in the 50's,...), nor a Media-caused phenomenon. We have the same problem here, to a smaller extent, but still, and we don't have Oprah, we don't have half of a third of a fifth of the Reality shows people gets in America. My lil' sister has been asking for a cellphone for months now because most of her friends at school have one.(And our mother is likely to buy her one within a few months) She's 10

Children are not necessarily growing up too fast, because looking like and actually growing are 2 different things. We're in a civilization/society that promotes the "image" before anything else (sorry that's the word we use in French, I don't know if it has also this meaning in English : a global idea that people get of you). You are only what you look like. It has always been true, but not always so important. Today, groups are creating that exclude people just because they aren't dressed in a certain way. Clothes had become in the 80's a sign of identification, of belonging to a group and a way to express these. They are now your ID. There come the media. Among others. This is an evolution of the way people think.

Second is the disappearing of the family, at least as a value. The family, as an environment you live in has dramatically changed since the 50's for example. Have a look to a TV program from the 50's showing a (perfect) family. Now compare it to what we have now: a good family today is a family that is as close as possible from a company (there is a hierarchy, but parents and children talk as if they were equals. The latters don't see why they'd get a different "treatment" as their parents.)

Then comes a last evolution in the society. There was a time when all these attributes (clothes, Cellphones, behaviours) clearly meant something. This kind of clothes was used by "free" women -if I may put it that way, as opposed to the model of American wives of the 50's and early-60's)-, whores (Remember the movie "Pretty woman" and the way J.Roberts is dressed at the beginning of it) to claim that they were, well, free (liberated) and that they can be physically/sexually attractive, etc.
The cellphones were created for businessmen who had to stay in touch...and became the proof of an higher position on the social ladder. It was an aim, not a means.
Gangta's behaviours were...of course products of a African-American and Spanish-American culture developped in ghettos, etc.
Now all these things are meaningless: Mothers don't explain their daughters the meaning of wearing a thong or skimpy clothes. And what does 'being sexually attractive' mean when you are an 11 year old girl ?

So if you want, you can blame the parents for this disappearance but they're not necessarily totally responsible for that.

All these complicated explanations to come to the same old conclusion: Of course the world is changing. It may be for the worse, but still values are disappearing and are replaced by others. Here the fact that the look matters more than everything and the fact that many objects lose their meaning are the causes of the phenomenon (but it's a combination of many factors). Acting differently doesn't mean that kids are growing faster or are more mature: they are just using the codes (like dress codes) of their time. Growing too fast would mean to act in a mature way and to make decisions before the normal age. They don't. Being pregnant at 15 is a proof of immaturity.



PS: This may seem very confused and unclear. Therefore if someone wants me to be clearer, I'll be happy to make it simple

Time-saving and lackadaisical answer from me concerning the 10 year olds who think they're 23: They're stupid.

That's exactly right you two.

Being pregnant at 15 is immaturity. However, people blame it on too much sex on TV and crap. Coz "They're just kids, they don't know".

If your kid knows what sex is at 15 and goes out and gets pregnant or gets a girl pregnant, it's their fault. Not anyone elses.

Contrary to the mass child worship in the world, there are such things as stupid kids and teens.

-AC

too much talk...no points being made

Kids think they are older and more mature than they really are. 12 year olds with cell phones, full make up sets, and more skirts than the average adult has work pants.

If a child wants to take the responsibility of having sex at an age so early that they can't actually provide for the child....it's their fault...not their parents. I know because it was my fault...not my parents. Shifting the blame on the parents is utter bullsh!t. People need to take responsiblity for their own actions....even if they are only 13-15.

I do feel it is the parents job and not the school's job to properly educate their children about sex and drug use, but it's up to the kids to let that stuff sink in. No one ever likes to hear it, but sometimes experience is the best teacher in the world. It's not like 16-17 year olds haven't been getting pregnant for centuries, it's just now....they're considered too young.

"even if they are only 13-15."

This is what I don't get.

15 is only 3 years away from adulthood. Why is it only 15? Kids should accept that they can't have responsibility dealt with for them forever.

-AC

You only chose to accentuate choice (c) in definition 1, when the one that refutes your point is choice (b)

Wanna teach a kid why you don't want to have a kid at an early age???

Get them a pet...a real pet. Not one of those gold fish you feed one time per night, not a cat that cleans itself and hides all day....get them a dog, a big, stinky, drooling, crapping on the carpet dog. And make them raise it and house train it. Then tell them to imagine a human.....parenting complete

Well in my opinion a young child with perfect knowledge of the consequences or possible consequences of sex, yet still goes out and does it, is indeed careless and stupid. Not to mention unintelligent.

Yet who are the ones to blame? Either parents or culture. Culture can't mess up any mind that isn't easily persuaded anyway.

-AC

you ever done it without a condom?? If you have, then you know, you really can't blame the kids.

But they still need to take responsibility for their actions.

when I was in 8th grade I went to a 5-8 school and there was a 10 year old girl who had already been ****ed and fingered if you ask me thats way too young. she was the typical pre teen girl your talking about, she dressed in skimmpy clothing, gallons of make up, and the saddest thing was was that the guy who fingered her was 16

"But officer....we're both underage.....it's legal....IT'S LEGALLLLL!!!" crybaby

"you ever done it without a condom?? If you have, then you know, you really can't blame the kids. "

Call me crazy but no. The idea of having to take permanent care of a human from now till the day I die is a bit too early for me yet. Maybe a while from now. So now I haven't. Always take precautions.

-AC

Physically and mentally, it is the kids fault. Morally, it's the parents fault.

Unless said kid has emancipated themselves from their parents, hold a steady job, and has proven to themselves that they can foster a child of there own, I don't see any kid in their right mind willingly wanting to throw away their childhood in hopes to grow up faster than expected.

Both parents and the kids are to blame, especially with the first two points of mine, when it comes to emancipation, being illegal until you're 18, I believe. Any parent that would rightfully emancipate their own child, so they can have a kid before the age of 18 shouldn't have ever been parents in the first place.

1st. Ashton Kutcher DOES NOT deserve a 4.5 outta 10, let alone 5. nono

2ndly. I agree, with your very first sentence exactly. Mentally and Physically (what counts most) it is the child's responsiblity. Morally it's the parents, but i don't think it's as important as kids exercising common sense.

1st yes he does, that movie was very good

2nd Few days ago, I saw something disturbing, I was at a restaurant with my parents have dinner, so I excuse myself to use the bathroom, in it, there were 2 girls, ages 13-14, buying condoms from the dispenser

I think children have a mixed vision of sex. Their parents teach them one thing, wait till you're ready and all that, then there's the media cramming it down our throats. I was looking through teen magazines, some of the ads look like pornographic images, ads for clothing mind you

So these little teenagers think it's something that makes you cool when you do it, so they rush out and try to act all grown up by choosing to have sex at an early age, because lately there's nowhere to go to escape the sex hype

These kids need to see the movie "kids". That will scare them straight.

Unintelligent. Let's think about what that means, shall we?
Unintelligent would be the opposite of intelligent. Intelligent meaning smart, educated, brainy, bright, smart, knowing, knowledgeable.

So the opposite of that would be uneducated, ignorant, and/or untaught, correct? When you are ignorant, uneducated, or unlearned, you make unintelligent choices.

It all goes back to knowledge folks, which in this instance, stems almost entirely from communication.

That is entirely true. Really, the only way to try and combate that is for parents to be vigilant, and really talk with them about all aspects of it. (Not just the birds & the bees "this is how babies are made" stuff.)

???? Don't forget the word "acting!!"

"Acting in an unintelligent manner," regardless of whether you're intelligent or not. In the future, it would be wise to not forget all parts of a definition or sentence.

Except that it is rated PG-16 or 17 in every contry it has come out...

nah not in Norway it was pg 13 here

Sowwy I've been fooled by IMDb (But I see there that there is a cut version, maybe it's this one ??? )



Well I don't know if that's good but at least it shows that all countries don't share America's puritanism...

we got new ratings after the kids was shown and what used to be pg 13 is now 15 without the pg and no it wasnt the cut version. Schools attended the flick too and to be honost Sweden have produced flicks like this for ages, really never understood the fuzz around Kids

lol i tottally think Britney Spears has alot to do with it....Has anyone seen that concert of hers on tv lately its been on a few times? i was dicusted. she was singing about masterbation and had dancers doing modern dance on stage in a bed and she was in a bath tub all making it look like they were masterbating. Then right after she had a song about sex and had lesbians and gays(which there is nothing wrong with) and in the song her and this guy were on a bed hardly wearing anything doing very sexual dances....All i could think about was how many little girls were in the audience watching this...

if you go blaim it on a celeb, you have failed as a parent

well im not a parent, im 17 so were good lol

"Really, the only way to try and combate that is for parents to be vigilant, and really talk with them about all aspects of it. (Not just the birds & the bees "this is how babies are made" stuff.)"

Is it the growing up/maturing of kids what needs to be combated? I don't think so. I have grown up and matured yet I have not gone out and got wasted and got on drugs or f*cked every female I see and what not. I was raised with a more or less accurate depiction of right and wrong but some of the things my parents thing I disagree with. So from the second I could, I started making my own decisions and opinions.

It's how to use how you were raised to either:

A) Your advantage if you had good parents.

or

B) Ignore it if it was all bad and make your own conscious decision to do what's right.

If you choose to go and be a **** regardless you deserve all you get.

"if you go blaim it on a celeb, you have failed as a parent"

Precisely. It's like warnings before WWE Raw comes on TV (Wrestling). They say "This show may contain images and scenes unsuitable for younger children". I guarantee the first thing parents do is "Awww it's only wrestling, how bad can it be?". Then when Todd goes into the playground and gives a boy/girl a powerbomb, snapping their neck, the parents wanna moan. The warnings are there and you take heed or you ignore them.

"well im not a parent, im 17 so were good lol"

Then don't become one.

-AC

it should also add, "If you believe this is real you are stupid"

Statistics show that most of the fans are teenagers to adults now.

I don't believe anyone who watches it believes it's real.

Nevertheless, the only parts factually "fake" are the stories and obvious blatant things like punching.

When they bleed it's not fake blood and regardless of what it's made out of I'd not wanna take a chair shot to the head from a 6 foot plus, 300lbs man.

-AC

Wait ! I have the solution !
Italian scientists have found out that the more kids watched television and used computers, the faster their puberty happened, because when there is no TV or computer, parents have to look after theirs children, play with them...and these scientists found the kids had in that case a greater quantity of an hormone that slows down growth/puberty development.

Isn't that fantastic ?

so... we gotta give up KMC?

hey dont think i just blame it on celebs like britney and christina, But they do have a big part of it....girls look up to these gorgous girls and want to be like them and look like them so they will dress like them, go on diets, dye there hair and they are doing it younger and younger every year. And the celebs, they know this, so they will go and sell pepsi and clothing and whatever else because people like these little girls will buy it because there to young to know about being yourself and making there own choices
But i dont just blame it on them, i think there is alot more to it...and yes parents do have a big role in it.....but seriously how can a parent watch there kid completely...like its everywhere in the media you cant even turn on the tv and find a safe channel for children without commericals. Look what the new thing on tv is now...Extreme Makeover (which diffently isnt a kid show) but like what is that showing people? if your ugly go get surgery. Parents cant get there kids to avoid everything, you go outta your house and there is ads everywhere....another new big thing now the Carb diet....i hear about that stupid thing i dunno how many times a day its annoying and look what its doing? people are dying from heart attacks and liver failor....and i know of little girls 10 years old who want to be on a diet because there "to fat".... like thats sad when i was 10 i wasnt thinking of that kinda stuff at all. You walk into a store and theres magazines with ads, people trying to sell you stuff and saying whats cool to wear and what isnt. Kids go to school see other children who have lots of friends and wear cool clothes and think its cool and want to be like them, or they get teased. Parents can turn off the tv and watch there kids to a certain point but no parent can protect there kids for the media completely unless your micheal Jackson and make them wear masks and dont let them leave your side lol. But seriously kids are growing up to fast and at 10 or 11 they are way to young to make there own choices...so yes i do blame celebs because they do have a part of it.

oh yeah i forgot to add something...yesterday i was at work and a kid about 11 came in and asked if i could sell him chewing tobacco...i couldnt believe it.

well according to an Italian study kids who spend time in fornt of the tv and pc hits puberty at an earlier age. So this kid might feel like an 11 years going on 34

you just stole GP's line

Yeah I'm gonna sue you Finti

his pants off?

"so yes i do blame celebs because they do have a part of it."

Celebs can't make a dumb, impressionable young follower do anything that a dumb, impressionable young followed wouldn't do anyway.

-AC

whenever you see girls that are between 8-12 dressed like whores you yell prostitot as loud and as clearly as you can.

cause their parents are right after you ready to beat you up?

you're on to something

You can't stop technology
In fact I think that computers and t.v. is what keeps some children out of trouble

Good point indeed.

Gotta weigh up what you want. Your kid stuck indoors or your kid out possibly getting into danger. But that's two evils, just gotta find the lesser. I would always, personally, find it the better opinion to let the kid go out.

-AC

i seen realy young girls wear practical next to nothing and wear 10 pounds for makeup when i visited canada.. and i was shocked.. they're way too young! in italy we dont realy have the problem.. i guess it som what has to do with presure and media in america.. maybe the parent have no control over thier kid.. i didnt start wearing makeup until i was l 16 or 17!!

until they cant deceide between the real life and cyber

i dont think kids grow up fast enough, infact i dont think kids grow up anymore at all, society tells us that we should have everything we want, and everyone cares about our needs and wants (political correctness bullshit) BULLSHIT!!!!

And girls now begin puberty as young as 8! if that isn't growing up unnaturally fast then what is?

I'm 29 and still dont wear really short skirts and makeup!

but you got such nice legs, Bay

Well I know but I'd have to shave my legs and then, well a fine dog like me, I'm supposed to have furry legs!

shave? no no no! wax! it lasts longer

Wax? *Cleans out ears* Will this do?

place it on your legs now

*rubs wax in* Yes?

now take paper and pull it off

*takes paper out of printer , then pulls wax off*

OWWWWW!

*runs round fanning leg with paper...*

hold still! five more strips to go!

*bares teeth at Yers*Grrrrrr!

you go tiger

Thats Wolf to you! *limps away wimpering*

mister wolf or just wolf?

Grrrr!

or bitey the white-teethed biter ?

Doesn't this sort of rambling belong in the KMC trashfile (the OTF) ?

normally, yes
but lately the mods have been slacking it big time