death of the ring wraiths

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angiel
i did a search on this subject but to no avail...

as we all know the witch king of angmar was killed by merry and eowyn. i was just wondering how the other 8 died... or did they just disappear with the destruction of the one ring?

and one more thing... i was watching TTT when it dawned on me thar gandalf was just chillin' in fanghirn forest when everybody was running around like crazy. did he know that aragorn, gimli and legolas were gonna be there? does he have that power? or was he just waiting for the right time? thanks for your replies...

Agent Elrond
The other 8 Nazgul fied when the Ring was destroyed. Their fate was tired to thr Ring. Thry were only alive because the Ring remained. Once the Ring was destroyed, the 9's rings lost their power and they died.

angiel
what of the dwarfen rings? were they destroyed too?

Exabyte

Discos
well i was hoping to reply to this with an answer yes but the work is done wink

anyways if you look at the movie you can see a ball of lava flying into one of the nazgul....that would of killed that one

I found it funny how the Nazgul fled Minas Tirith after the witchking was dead laughing

shaber
They disappeared with the destruction of the Ring of course, didn't you pay attention? "All the rings are bound up with the fate of the Ring."

Exabyte
Yes, and unlike the elves, the Ringwraiths live only because of and by the power of the One Ring, their rings are the only thing keeping them half-alive; the elves in contrary aren't bound by their rings, only the realms they created with their power are, and so they fade, but the keepers of the elven rings themselves, not oppressed by Sauron's will, stay alive.

angiel
what about my gandalf query? any thoughts, theories..? 'cause i thought it was f*cked up if he was just chillin' in fanghorn unless he knew who he would meet there...

Exabyte
He most probably did know; I can'r remember Gandalf saying anything specifical about it, but the text makes it quite clear that he knew it;
Why otherwise should he have come to Fangorn

angiel
what exactly are his abilities?

Exabyte
He doesnt have exact abilities;
He is a Maia, a lower god, hence he knows most that happens in the world (he's said to be the wisest of the Maiar); because of his Ring, he can also do a lot of things in connection with fire and give hope to his allies, strengthen their belief in what they do;

But it's hard to define what exactly he can do as things in Middleearth dont work like in HarryPotter - you need a spell or potion and everything's ok, or like in all those other fantasy series where wizards can do practically everything with "magic"
Gandalf isn't a magician at all; he's a wizard, in the sense of somebody knowing a lot (the elvish name for these wizards, "Istari", means "the knowing ones"wink

shaber
There isn't really magic in LOTR - Galadriel explains that it is just the term which the hobbits apply to what they can't understand; which fills whole libraries to overflowing! Even including the elvish camoflaging garments. The maiar must work by telekinesis etc

Exabyte
Yea, the members of the White Council (like Gandalf, Saruman, Galadriel, Elrond etc) even communicated via "thoughts" (there's a cool scene of a "council" of them in RoTK - they all just sit there silently smile )

Exa
Telekenisis is moving objects with your mind laughing
Telepathic is communicating stick out tongue

Exabyte
I know; (its "kinesis" btw stick out tongue ,)
rather moving things far away (tele=far)

thats why I said "even communicated" which obviously implies that I was basically not agreeing, but adding smile wink

angiel
so, gandalf could've "told" aragorn what happened to the hobbits with his mind? or was he really that good of a tracker. 'cause in my opinion, if somebody woudl've been able to track the halflings, it would've been legolas...

shaber
I would like to know more about how the White Council under Saruman the White drove Sauron out of Mirkwood. It would take more than heavy gunfire!

shaber
I think speech, as in communicating verbally is rather primitive. yes communicating without resorting to making noises surely comes naturally to more sophisticated beings.

Bar-en-Danwedh
gandalf in his early days used to hang around the elves, either invisible or disguised as one of them and just whisper things in their ears and inspire them to greatness.

he was a shaker and a stirer, not a D&D fireball launching megamage.

I was really annoyed when a couple of my nerdier friends were complaining about the lack of 'spells'

I really like the LOTR wizards interpretation.

Exabyte
yes yes Me too; those "fireball launching" magicians in most other fantasy books make them pretty annoying for me, I hate this superficial and colourful laser-firework-like magic erm Sad that Gandalf is often misinterpretated as one no

shaber
Sauron can rework the shape of the Earth to a small extent. Around Mordor he can "torture and destroy the very hills." Obviously the greatest maiar were instrumental in creating the Earth, but this hardly compares to Melkor's forming the Misty Mountains. no expression

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