what IS underground hip hop?

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m!$hA
i mean...ive heard it an all....but how would you describe it?

HockeyHorror
true hip hop u dont see on television or radio...once in a while you would see on tv but thats a 2% chance.

where true hip hopers freestyle without a written

where true hip hopers rap about the truth

Darth Revan
The good kind yes

It's just a term used to describe hip hop that isn't played on the radio or TV, and generally that people only hear about through word of mouth. I honestly didn't know about it until I joined KMC.

HockeyHorror
i knew about it before KMC...but very little like only 2 artists.

Ras Kass and Chino XL

it was kind of a chain...

i listened to Tupac
He Dissed Chino XL
i got Chino XL albums
I loved the albums
from Chino's Albums
i heard Ras Kass
then i got Ras Kass Albums

laughing

Darth Revan
laughing

moonwalker741
exactly true! yeh its NOT mainstream music, people who have true talent, well mainstream can have talent but then they wear out after fortune, fame and all that other shit

HockeyHorror
here are the differences between lyrics

MF DOOM- Strange Ways

Wreak havoc
Beep beep it's mad traffic
Sleek and lavish
People speak and leak it to the maverick
He sees it as just another felony drug arrest
Any day could be the one, you pick
The wrong thug to test
Slug through the vest
Shot in the street for pulling heat
On a father who's baby's gotta eat
And when they get hungry it ain't shit funny
Paid to interfere with how a brother get his money
now who's the real thugs, killers, and gangsters
Set the revolution
Let thangs bust, and thank us
When the smoke clear, you can see the sky again
There will be the chopped off heads of leviathan

My Friend,
Call 'em strangers
Anybody who talk to 'em
End up in some danger
Can't reform 'em

They pray four times a day
They pray five
Who ways are strange when it;s time to survive
Some will go of their own free will to die
Others take them with you when they blow sky high
What's the difference?
All you get is lost children
While the bosses sit up behind a desk
It cost billions to blast humans in half
into calves and arms
Only one side is allowed to have bombs
That's like making a soldier drop his weapon
Shooting him, and telling him to get to steppin'
Obviously, they came to portion up his fortune
Sounds to me like that old robbery extortion
Same game
You can't reform 'em


50 Cent- P.I.M.P

(Chorus)
I don't know what you heard about me
But a ***** can't get a dollar out of me
No Cadillac, no perms, you can't see
That I'm a motherf**king P-I-M-P
(Repeat)

(Verse 1)
Now shorty, she in the club, she dancing for dollars
She got a thing for that Gucci, that Fendi, that Prada
That BCBG, Burberry, Dolce and Gabana
She feed them foolish fantasies, they pay her cause they wanna
I spit a little G man, and my game got her
A hour later, have that ass up in the Ramada
Them trick niggas in her ear saying they think about her
I got the ***** by the bar trying to get a drink up out her
She like my style, she like my smile, she like the way I talk
She from the country, think she like me cause I'm from New York
I ain't that nigga trying to holla cause I want some head
I'm that nigga trying to holla cause I want some bread
I could care less how she perform when she in the bed
***** hit that track, catch a date, and come and pay the kid
Look baby this is simple, you can't see
You f**king with me, you f**king with a P-I-M-P

(Chorus)

(Verse 2)
I'm bout my money you see, girl you can holla at me
If you f**king with me, I'm a P-I-M-P
Not what you see on TV, no Cadillac, no greasy
Head full of hair, ***** I'm a P-I-M-P
Come get money with me, if you curious to see
how it feels to be with a P-I-M-P
Roll in the Benz with me, you could watch TV
From the backseat of my V, I'm a P-I-M-P
Girl we could pop some champagne and we could have a ball
We could toast to the good life, girl we could have it all

We could really splurge girl, and tear up the mall
If ever you needed someone, I'm the one you should call
I'll be there to pick you up, if ever you should fall
If you got problems, I can solve'em, they big or they small
That other nigga you be with ain't bout shit
I'm your friend, your father, and confidant, *****

(Chorus)

(Verse 3)
I told you fools before, I stay with the tools
I keep a Benz, some rims, and some jewels
I holla at a hoe til I got a ***** confused
She got on Payless, me I got on gator shoes
I'm shopping for chinchillas, in the summer they cheaper
Man this hoe you can have her, when I'm done I ain't gon keep
her
Man, bitches come and go, every nigga pimpin know
You saying it's secret, but you ain't gotta keep it on the low
***** choose with me, I'll have you stripping in the street
Put my other hoes down, you get your ass beat
Now Nik my bottom *****, she always come up with my bread
The last nigga she was with put stitches in her head
Get your hoe out of pocket, I'll put a charge on a *****
Cause I need 4 TVs and AMGs for the six
Hoe make a pimp rich, I ain't paying *****
Catch a date, suck a dick, shiiit, TRICK

(Chorus)

Yeah, in Hollywoood they say there's no b'ness like show b'ness
In the hood they say, there's no b'ness like hoe b'ness ya know
They say I talk a lil fast, but if you listen a lil faster
I ain't got to slow down for you to catch up, *****

m!$hA
but how can you distinguish mainstream between underground?

say if there were two new hip hop artists.......one mainstream and one underground......lets not make the mainstream guy about sex an the usual, so it's not the lyrics that your able to see the difference from, and make it a song like 'ill be missing you' by puff daddy or something....how can you tell which is which?

HockeyHorror
we WILL see the difference in lyrics. and th e'ill be missing you' by puffy was take by someone else i believe.

Real
ramake after biggie got shot

ElectricBugaloo
yeah, and usually if a sample is used in the underground, it's an obscure single, not a crazily popular sample like in "I'll Be Missing You"

m!$hA
huh i dont get ANYthing of what you guys said....

so basically it's just the lyrcis?? but then
so solid crew - 21 seconds
could be classed as underground couldnt it?

m!$hA
well then, isnt tech n9ne underground??
how do you explain this then?

The killa clowns in your town raising all hell
Tecca nina with the stamina coming to damage ya buckin'
The bammer when I bust with a bang.
And it ain't no clause that say fraud ain't no tall tales
Women love it when I hit when I covet the booty they
Giving it to me but it ain't no thang

We reppin' KCMO fellas and the ladies know
That we comin' with the killas I'm with the gorillas
The villains will get you when you disrespect us
Even the babies know Tech nina got crazy flow
We be giving the women the willy we sick of the haterz
Wanna pay us go to get this record

This is important we be courtin' every place we go
Get you up in the room ain't trippin' off of the groom
I'll give it to you anyway you wanna have it
Baby is a horse and yes of course Imma have 2 break the ho
Leaving the kids at home I wanna bone alone we hopping
Up and down like jack rabbits

So many kids put this on their daddy's mind
Never will I ever put him out there like that feelin' that
I did Tecca nina take it right back.
Tellin' him that the mommy's boyfriend's Tech N9ne.
Do be lookin' at me like you really wanna fight
Cat all Tecca nina wanna know is where the mic at?


skipping a few versus.......


That's Tech N9ne, sex all the time
Teasing your chakra and ain't nobody hotter
(Mama say stop or I'm gonna tell papa)

One and then comes the two to the three and
That was the anthem now this the anthem
Hella rockin' the planet again you can't stand it again
Huns, they been comin' thru to see me man
Then I depants'em and I bust Randon in the bed
Imma land'em dog gwamn it I ram it again

Raves. I love to get high and get paid
Why do I wanna stick'em with another hit up out
Of abyss baby ya don't wanna miss the titts
Babes they love to come by and get laid
Why am I the pinnacle when I rip it Imma
Kill'em in this to the haters I gotta send'em
A gift

Bump this in your ride or in the club
Giving everybody what they need I give it all
So they give it all back to me
Hataz don't you hide just show some love
Do you dig it Imma rep the B. and never ever let the
C. get the best of me

So many kids put this on their daddy's mind
Never will I put him out there like that feeling that I did
Tecca nina take it right back
Telling him their mommy's boyfriend is Tech N9ne
Oh no girl yo babies at the doe

aaand....


If you see me lookin' clean cut
Matchin' from head to toe dippin' with a mean strut
Throwin' and blowin' green stuff hella creamed up with a bling cup
Ain't no wicked we can kick it if you blue or beamed up

If you, see me step off in the clubber with some pros
With about 6 of 'em cut no longer waiting to be chose
And if you hear me tell my homies anything goes
With these chickens dippin' to Davy's right when the clubber close

If you see me on the grind getting' mine
If you bust in the room and find me hittin' yours from behind
If you hear me bustin' rhymes rippin' each and every time
If I got it at capacity and you still got a line

If I'm rollin' on dubs, if it's K-Town bud
If they showin' me love with a red rug at the club
If you see them hatas giving me mugs, ladies giving me hugs
It ain't no rocket science it's because


I'm a playa
I'm a playa
I'm a playa
I'm a playa
I'm a playa
I'm a playa
I'm a playa
I'm a playa
Oh oh I'm a playa



I'm a playa in every sense of the word ya heard
I'm getting' money from these dummies flip your chick so absurd
I'm a playa and I pop collars
I'm a playa when I don't or when I do drop dollars them rot weilders

She don't want no softy sayin' he do when he don't
She don't want no perpetrating 9 to fiver trying to flaunt
She don't want no punk that can't get it krunk
No she don't that's how it go so my homie Kaliko tell'em what she want

She want a playa not thugs on dubs
We be rollin' them 22's and 3's pop ludes and V's
I'm in hot pursuit of a prostitute Kaliko knock boots gots lots to shoot

Im pullin out the latex and given it to who's next
And fool'em pull a brewnet wit unforgettable sex
She's oohin-oohin' sweat and I ain't telling who's wet
And I ain't getting loose yet so who's next 4 group sex





Never ever tell ya love where else you get your love
Move in groups no one on one when you hit the club
And you should know this if you call yourself a wicked thug
If you creep to the movies throw away your ticket stub

If you sexin' learn this lesson when you wash off
Just use hot water don't put no soap on your wash cloth
That way when you get home no questions you won't leave her bent
Don't be a dope and use the soap cause it will leave a scent

Don't tell a #2 that she's your one and only
Cause if she know it's way easy to go her own way
If you talking chickens to your secret home hey
Always go the back way to confuse'em just take the long way

To all the ladies if you playin' throw ya hands up
To all my fellas if you playin' throw ya grands up
This is 4-eva baby having clever thangs I'm a playa
Mother ****er and I bet I'll never change

HockeyHorror
yea tech n9ne is underground, but he has 2 sides. the intellectual and the party type.

he had like 5 albums.

example

Anghellic= this album was about going into Hell, Purgatory and Heaven. Very Very good album.

Absolute Power= this album was ok, but it was more for the party type...i guess.

m!$hA
oh ok then erm

Darth Revan
Yeah.... Like Tupac rapped about being a "playa" and shit like that, but only because that was becoming popular, and it sold records.

The difference between underground and mainstream isn't the lyrics... Though I promise you will always see a difference in the lyrics. Underground lyrics are almost invariably more intellectual, even if they are talking about violence or something. The difference is just how much publicity it gets. For example, if there are two new guys in the hip hop scene, and one is underground and the other mainstream, the mainstream guy will be advertising his album by doing interviews on TV and such. The underground guy will rely purely on word of mouth to sell his album.

The other thing is, a lot of underground guys diss mainstream rap in their songs yes

HockeyHorror
i haven't really heard many underground hip hop song thats about violence. laughing out loud


tell me if my sig works. click on it plz

m!$hA
hm...thanx dr, ur so explainable yes

Darth Revan
Hockey> Well, yeah, I never said there were a LOT about violence... But I've heard a couple. Your sig works, but I don't have Windows Media Player...

Misha> yeah, no problem smile

ElectricBugaloo
OK, here's the real classifications by LP (me):

1) Is not, or spent a considerable amount of time, on an independant (aka indie) label.
2) Does not get major national radio play
3) Is not seen on MTV
4) Does not seek national success by changing their style or lyrics to be more pop friendly

To me, its basically the same things that go with being an indie rocker.

Deathblow
^ Agreed. Although really calling it 'underground' is sort of misleading. Real underground hip-hop is the guys who can just about scrape enough cash for a couple of days of studio time, and who's work you can only pick up over the net or on mixtapes and whatnot. Its the same with so called underground metal. I guess the very meaning of the musical term 'underground' has been altered, even commercialsed to some extent erm

ElectricBugaloo
that's why the term 'indie' is so much better

Darth Revan
Yeah, but it sounds a little weird to say "indie hip hop" blink

ElectricBugaloo
gotta start the balll rollin somewhere

HockeyHorror
yes

turkesa
hey... I'm not an expert in this but i'm gonna try to explain my opinion, it's not different from all that had already been said.
The "underground artists" don't have big labels behind them, their work is not distribute in the main stores to get them you have to research.
Mostly of the times if they wanna record their work they've gotta have some job so they can be able to afford the studio or they buy their own material and made home studios (sometimes the only material they got it's only a computer and a microphone).
They don't show up on tv, magazines, radio... they rarely give an interview... most of them don't even like publicity.
I think that the biggest concern of the underground hip hop, is the social and political issues among others, but they're not worried if their work is gonna sell millions and they gonna be able to buy a new Mercedes or a diamonds ring...
The mainstream hip hop is what you can see... bling bling, chicks, sex, cars, guns, gangsta sh*t and etc... the guys are pimps the girls are h*es and that's the way it goes... they gotta be the center of the world, huge publicity, interviews and more interviews, their music gotta be at top 10, they sell their soul and their brain to the biggest labels and they only write and produce things that they know it will sell millions, they may not agree with what they're saying but if it's gonna sell then they'll do it, not matter what.
Sorry for my English but it was the best I could do... stick out tongue that's what i think about it. wink

HockeyHorror
well said yes

turkesa
tks I was afraid that my English could betray me... hahahaha

HockeyHorror
laughing out loud

Darth Revan
You have good English... I wouldn't have guessed that it's not your first language if you hadn't said anything.

Anyways, yeah, I agree with what you said.

turkesa
hahhahahaha, jeez... next time i'll just shut up...
My first language is the Portuguese. hehehehehe

PunisherFan33
its like eminem before he got big its the small time

HockeyHorror
i cant comphrend with what ur saying...

it likes eminem before he got big t.its? the small time?

turkesa
Eminem is a good mc, i like is ironic style and sarcastic way of dealing with the things. He sells because of he's controversial behavior, and because of is bad boy style.
He might be commercial and being in the mainstream, but he keep saying what's on his mind... he's genuine, he keeps is on style and don't go after the normal cliches on the videos.
I just think that he's starting to loose himself with all the fame and that he's completely insane... hahahahhaha

HockeyHorror
he's genuine^

so are many other rappers to their own perspectives.

50 cent is genuine for making crap music yes

turkesa
Yes there are... I think that being really genuine is great.
but about eminem, i was saying that his videos are genuine are different from the others.

50 cent, snoop dog, lil kim, nelly, chingy, etc...

There are a lot of genuine crap out there... hehehehe

HockeyHorror
which artists u listen to?

m!$hA
they dont HAVE to be in the top 10, it's just that a lot of people like mainstream, beleive it or not....thats why they become the top 10......and it's also because the "top 10" is voted by mainly teenagers who like that kinda music erm

leatherface12
Like everybody said, its music thats actually good. They dont have to rap about the constant hoes, money, them being a pimp, ect... Unlike 25 cent their rhymes are good without saying something about money, drugs, and all that crap. So yeah thats the difference

m!$hA
that wasnt a good explination roberta, because most of that is oppinion!

Darth Revan
But he's right, in a way. What he gave wasn't really a definition of the genre, but he is right that being a "pimp" is what sells in the rap industry these days.

m!$hA
thats not true you know......i buy the mainstream stuff, but not because of the "pimp" image!!! i like the tunes...and........................




















theyre all so hot *droolio* tho im not that shallow, dont worry!

HockeyHorror
misha have u heard of Del The Funkey(Funkee) Homosapien.

he's really good. yes

he's Ice Cube's cousin.

Darth Revan
misha> I don't care if that's what YOU like about mainstream, that's what the producers like, that's what MTV likes, that's what the general public likes. The "pimp" image is what sells.

m!$hA
woah man....why u always gotta be yellin at me today?

m!$hA
and no hokey i havnt but ill listen to sum 4 ya soon!

Darth Revan
Sorry, didn't mean to come across that way...

Here, have a banana Happy Dance

m!$hA
erm i hate those bananas...and i hate real ones too!

but all the same, thanx happy

PunisherFan33
under ground hip hop is like the small time. before you get famous. you get gigs and someone notices you. you get big. like eminem he raped in this place called the shelter. somebody noticed him(DR. DRE) and made him a star

Darth Revan
Underground isn't the "small time". The majority of underground rappers have no intention of ever going mainstream.

HockeyHorror
Darth Revan is right^

PunisherFan33
yes it is or thats rock underground i get them mixed up sometimes huh

HockeyHorror
trust me, darth revan is right yes

PunisherFan33
ok roll eyes (sarcastic)

Darth Revan
Actually, there is such a thing as underground rock, they just call it indie rock.

Deathblow
Damn I never new that...he sounds nothing like Cube.

HockeyHorror
Cube produced Del's first album. reallly really good album. i think it was called I Wish My Brother George Was Here.

turkesa
I mainly use to listen Portuguese Hip Hop, but the American hip hop i like The Last Emperor, M.O.P., Akrobatik, Masta Ace, Missy (most ppl says that her music is always the same, but i like her anyway, hehehehe stick out tongue), Nas, Citizen Kane and those girls the Deadly Venoms. jeez... i'm terrible with names... there's some more artists but they're really missing me... i also like a few French hip hop like Fonky Family, Assassin, Mafia K'1 Fry, Arsenick (i'm not sure if it's well written) and Diam's. And some other things that i get at the Internet.


Misha, yes I don't disagree with you. But right now what sells is the pimp cliche. All the videos are almost the same thing, a night club, a nice car, some half naked women, and so on... And why they do this? Cause the public likes it and wants it. when they stop wanting it, they'll find something else... That's why is so important for them to be at the top, means they'll keep selling.

Unfortunately i know how those labels work (here in Portugal) and their tricks, and how pathetic some artists can be... saying things that they don't agree with only for selling... there's even a mc in here that doesn't even writes his own lyrics...but that's all about the money... As you can see i don't really like the most of the labels. hahahahahahha

By the way, does anybody here, knows a group called anti-pop, or something like that? someone told me that's underground hip hop, but i don't know them. are they good?

TrAnCeDuO
he raped!?!? that sick bastard...i knew his music was bad why did he have to go on and do that for!!?i hope he gets 20 years in prison for that!

HockeyHorror
laughing

m!$hA
well i know id prefer if they DIDNT put out that image....coz ur at home watching rage/video hits and theres these ppl practically havin sexy an ur parents are there an ur just like....*cough cough* and i wish the artists and all that realised that....coz chingy......he sucked major, man! 'right thur, right thur' noone at our school liked that song....but as soon as he released that 'one call away' song, (i know its still about girls..but its only about ONE so its diffferent), everyone was like OMG i just realised...chingy is so HOT! and hes so cool an all that!

leatherface12
Thats not my name smile And I know I didnt give a perfect explanation but it was part of the difference

m!$hA
but it's your OPPINION!

and it is roberta! i cant beleive you still dont know ur name roll eyes (sarcastic)

leatherface12
Thats a girls name and Im clearly not a girl big grin

turkesa
misha, our parents and the rest of the world...hahahahaha... and then ppl generalizes and thinks that everybody who likes hip hop, is like that.
And for me Chingy will always s*ck... I hate to see man treating women like animals and specially hate to see women enjoying it... and that's what some of guys like Chingy do in some videos...

Is that song, one where he says something like: "if you want girl i can treat you just like a h*e..."? (i'm not sure if it's like this but is something near).

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