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I cant wait till the Box Set. After so long our dreams have been answered. He is so right about the dogma and having Ken and Cornel on the DVDs is the second best thing.
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REDPILL
THE MANY MEANINGS OF THE MATRIX"
featuring Larry Wachowski and Ken Wilber
Ken: You yourself have not talked about your interpretation of
The Matrix trilogy or what you were attempting to say
because you didn't want it to become dogma, in other words
you wanted people to be free to interpret the movie the way
they wanted to, and they have the freedom to do that, and
as soon as the moviemaker gets up and says "This is the
meaning of The Matrix...", this really limits people,
I think it's a very wise thing to do...
Larry: Yeah, I mean, you make a work of art and you want it to be
provocative, you want people to dialog about it, you don't
want them to rely on somebody to tell them what it is,
the whole nature of the movie is exactly that... inspective
and pursue it yourself... Yeah, it seems hypocritical for us
to go out and tell everybody what it's supposed, or what
you're supposed to think about it, and even if I was to do it
or Andy was to do it and in the gentlest of terms and try to
contextualize it as what it means to us... it... because, by
the very nature of us being the creators of it, it becomes,
you know, law, THE interpretation, and anyone else's
interpretation is just... some crazy individual that really
doesn't get it. I don't wanna devalue anybody's opinion of
it, because they're all... that's, I don't know, I think that's
one of the reasons that art is a worthwhile experience...
Ken: So, you decline to do the traditional director's commentary
over the films, so, Warners then suggested, that...
Larry: They had a bunch of, like, typical DVD commentary ideas, and
hmm, you know, we found, you know, we found most commentary
pretty mundane, pretty boring, pretty pleonastic, pretty
shallow, and, you know, I'm not very interested in most
commentary, and so I started thinking about it and talked about
it with Andy and we were like, oh, it would be interesting, and
so, we had this idea that... trying to create tracks that
reflected our hope for the movie, which would be that the
the movie would inspire people to think about it, and inspire
dialog about everything... *Ken and Larry starts chuckling*
And so, we thought that basically demonstrating the range
of dialogs that the movie has inspired would inspire its own
dialog about not only The Matrix, but the way that we talk
about art... and so, suddenly, the commentary wouldn't be
just about The Matrix, it would be about something bigger,
something larger, it would have a larger scope to it, and huh,
so we told Warner Brothers that... "GREAT!" *Ken laughs*
But, I mean, how we would go about doing it is getting two
critics to talk about the movie, who hated the movie, and two
philosophers who saw the movie and were inspired by the movie,
and juxtapose those two different dialogs against each other,
and Warner Brothers was like "You wanna put... let me get this
straight..." *Ken starts laughing loudly* "...you wanna put
two critics who hated the movie, talking about the movie for
six hours?" "Yeah!" *Ken continues to laugh* And, you know,
not only because I think it will be interesting, and, the
dialog, the internal way that they've come to these opinions
will be interesting, it will be interesting to see how the
critic talks about the movie, and, that they don't like,
and, they don't see anything in it, and then it'll be
interesting seeing how two philosophers would talk about
it, and see something in it, and see something that works
in it, and listening to those two perspectives, I think,
would be interesting...
Ken: Yeah, yeah. So that's what were gonna do and as you know
it's sort of, hmm, it puts me in a somewhat awkward position
because you and I have an agreement. Wish that ours discussing
what I think the films mean, what you yourself, your own
interpretation of the film. We have an understanding that
I'm not gonna discuss your interpretation of the film with
anybody as that's a private thing and you and a few friends
talk about it and we're keeping that, you know, to ourselves,
so to speak. In the same time, I'm being asked to give my
interpretation for public, but I've already done that and
you already came up here with a film crew and shot three hours
of me giving my blow by blow interpretation of all three.
As you know, I think it's incredibly gutsy because the whole key
to the Matrix trilogy, this is my interpretation, is given in
really in the last fifteen, twenty minutes of the third film,
that the rosetta stone is when Neo, for example, is saying of
the machines, "If you could only see them like I see em...
they're all light. They're made of light", and so on...
(...)
Ken: When you were over in Japan for one of the openings
and *laughs* they're like *laughs* ...
you know every body else is...
Larry: Yeah we're actually standing next to press row...
Ken: Exactly...
Larry: Like the entire row of like cameras and video cameras
and all these reporters are standing there and we're like
standing right next to 'em...
Ken: Right... *laughs*
Larry: And everyone's like and...this woman is watching as
Carrie-Anne and Keanu come down the aisle and they're
all taking pictures and very excited and, then Joel Silver
comes down the aisle and she's like...
Ken: The producer...
Larry: you know gets very excited who's standing next to me this
Japanese woman she's like "It's Joel Silver! Joel Silver! Joel Silver!"
*Ken and Larry laugh* I'm like "Ohhh... who's he?"
She's like... *laughter*
Ken: She's elbowing *you* and saying "look! look! There's the producer!"
Oh God! And you're sitting there...you're, you're appropriately
excited of course? *Ken continues laughing*
Larry: Oh of course, well I had to find out who he was first...
"Who is he? Ohhh... *he's* responsible for the Matrix...
Ohhh." *Ken continues laughing* No, I mean, not, not to
say anything bad about Joel...
Ken: No, understood.
Larry: our...leader...
Ken: Or ah, or the Japanese woman for that matter.
Larry: No, no she was, she was sweet, she was very nice but I,
I felt very...happy with the fact that they didn't know
who we were. *laughs*
Ken: Yeah..*laughs* Um, incidentally I, well wait, you're, now, but
you're not just, you know, for ah, things that I believe are
public knowledge, you're not planning on going back and, and
filming anymore Matrix things for the foreseeable future right now.
Ah you, you filmed the three of those you know in one long, intense
five-ish year period and you've just sort of taken a break from
that right now, yeah?
Larry: Yeah, the actual full span is probably ten years...
Ken: Yeah.
Larry: that we've been working on it...
Ken: Yeah.
Larry: and it's just you know that's, that's the story,
I don't know we'll see...
Ken: Yeah.
Larry: down the line I'm hoping that I, I recover enough
to even wanna make another movie.
Ken: Yeah. Yeah. So you'll just sorta wait and see what unfolds?
Larry: Yeah, yeah...
Ken: Yeah?
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I cant wait till the Box Set. After so long our dreams have been answered. He is so right about the dogma and having Ken and Cornel on the DVDs is the second best thing.
DL FAST wont be up for long
REDPILL
THE MANY MEANINGS OF THE MATRIX"
featuring Larry Wachowski and Ken Wilber
Ken: You yourself have not talked about your interpretation of
The Matrix trilogy or what you were attempting to say
because you didn't want it to become dogma, in other words
you wanted people to be free to interpret the movie the way
they wanted to, and they have the freedom to do that, and
as soon as the moviemaker gets up and says "This is the
meaning of The Matrix...", this really limits people,
I think it's a very wise thing to do...
Larry: Yeah, I mean, you make a work of art and you want it to be
provocative, you want people to dialog about it, you don't
want them to rely on somebody to tell them what it is,
the whole nature of the movie is exactly that... inspective
and pursue it yourself... Yeah, it seems hypocritical for us
to go out and tell everybody what it's supposed, or what
you're supposed to think about it, and even if I was to do it
or Andy was to do it and in the gentlest of terms and try to
contextualize it as what it means to us... it... because, by
the very nature of us being the creators of it, it becomes,
you know, law, THE interpretation, and anyone else's
interpretation is just... some crazy individual that really
doesn't get it. I don't wanna devalue anybody's opinion of
it, because they're all... that's, I don't know, I think that's
one of the reasons that art is a worthwhile experience...
Ken: So, you decline to do the traditional director's commentary
over the films, so, Warners then suggested, that...
Larry: They had a bunch of, like, typical DVD commentary ideas, and
hmm, you know, we found, you know, we found most commentary
pretty mundane, pretty boring, pretty pleonastic, pretty
shallow, and, you know, I'm not very interested in most
commentary, and so I started thinking about it and talked about
it with Andy and we were like, oh, it would be interesting, and
so, we had this idea that... trying to create tracks that
reflected our hope for the movie, which would be that the
the movie would inspire people to think about it, and inspire
dialog about everything... *Ken and Larry starts chuckling*
And so, we thought that basically demonstrating the range
of dialogs that the movie has inspired would inspire its own
dialog about not only The Matrix, but the way that we talk
about art... and so, suddenly, the commentary wouldn't be
just about The Matrix, it would be about something bigger,
something larger, it would have a larger scope to it, and huh,
so we told Warner Brothers that... "GREAT!" *Ken laughs*
But, I mean, how we would go about doing it is getting two
critics to talk about the movie, who hated the movie, and two
philosophers who saw the movie and were inspired by the movie,
and juxtapose those two different dialogs against each other,
and Warner Brothers was like "You wanna put... let me get this
straight..." *Ken starts laughing loudly* "...you wanna put
two critics who hated the movie, talking about the movie for
six hours?" "Yeah!" *Ken continues to laugh* And, you know,
not only because I think it will be interesting, and, the
dialog, the internal way that they've come to these opinions
will be interesting, it will be interesting to see how the
critic talks about the movie, and, that they don't like,
and, they don't see anything in it, and then it'll be
interesting seeing how two philosophers would talk about
it, and see something in it, and see something that works
in it, and listening to those two perspectives, I think,
would be interesting...
Ken: Yeah, yeah. So that's what were gonna do and as you know
it's sort of, hmm, it puts me in a somewhat awkward position
because you and I have an agreement. Wish that ours discussing
what I think the films mean, what you yourself, your own
interpretation of the film. We have an understanding that
I'm not gonna discuss your interpretation of the film with
anybody as that's a private thing and you and a few friends
talk about it and we're keeping that, you know, to ourselves,
so to speak. In the same time, I'm being asked to give my
interpretation for public, but I've already done that and
you already came up here with a film crew and shot three hours
of me giving my blow by blow interpretation of all three.
As you know, I think it's incredibly gutsy because the whole key
to the Matrix trilogy, this is my interpretation, is given in
really in the last fifteen, twenty minutes of the third film,
that the rosetta stone is when Neo, for example, is saying of
the machines, "If you could only see them like I see em...
they're all light. They're made of light", and so on...
(...)
Ken: When you were over in Japan for one of the openings
and *laughs* they're like *laughs* ...
you know every body else is...
Larry: Yeah we're actually standing next to press row...
Ken: Exactly...
Larry: Like the entire row of like cameras and video cameras
and all these reporters are standing there and we're like
standing right next to 'em...
Ken: Right... *laughs*
Larry: And everyone's like and...this woman is watching as
Carrie-Anne and Keanu come down the aisle and they're
all taking pictures and very excited and, then Joel Silver
comes down the aisle and she's like...
Ken: The producer...
Larry: you know gets very excited who's standing next to me this
Japanese woman she's like "It's Joel Silver! Joel Silver! Joel Silver!"
*Ken and Larry laugh* I'm like "Ohhh... who's he?"
She's like... *laughter*
Ken: She's elbowing *you* and saying "look! look! There's the producer!"
Oh God! And you're sitting there...you're, you're appropriately
excited of course? *Ken continues laughing*
Larry: Oh of course, well I had to find out who he was first...
"Who is he? Ohhh... *he's* responsible for the Matrix...
Ohhh." *Ken continues laughing* No, I mean, not, not to
say anything bad about Joel...
Ken: No, understood.
Larry: our...leader...
Ken: Or ah, or the Japanese woman for that matter.
Larry: No, no she was, she was sweet, she was very nice but I,
I felt very...happy with the fact that they didn't know
who we were. *laughs*
Ken: Yeah..*laughs* Um, incidentally I, well wait, you're, now, but
you're not just, you know, for ah, things that I believe are
public knowledge, you're not planning on going back and, and
filming anymore Matrix things for the foreseeable future right now.
Ah you, you filmed the three of those you know in one long, intense
five-ish year period and you've just sort of taken a break from
that right now, yeah?
Larry: Yeah, the actual full span is probably ten years...
Ken: Yeah.
Larry: that we've been working on it...
Ken: Yeah.
Larry: and it's just you know that's, that's the story,
I don't know we'll see...
Ken: Yeah.
Larry: down the line I'm hoping that I, I recover enough
to even wanna make another movie.
Ken: Yeah. Yeah. So you'll just sorta wait and see what unfolds?
Larry: Yeah, yeah...
Ken: Yeah?