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heres a list of the top 8 strongest mutants in the Marvel universe (and yes it is correct )

1. Franklin Richards
2. X-Man
3. Magneto (at full power)
4. Dark Phoenix
5. Phoenix
6. Professor Xavier
7. Rogue
8. Cassandra Nova

onslaught? hello

i hope that isnt in supposed to be in order, and those arent the strongest marvel characters (by far). Some of the strongest yeah.

we are talking only about mutants.

well wheres A-poc or Hulk

Yeah, where's Apoc, Hulk, Abomination etc.

Yes Hulk is a mutant.

-AC

If I recall correctly Banner is a mutant due to his intellect. The ability to absorb high levels of radiation and not die and the absorb radiation thing is the only thing I can think of that makes Emil Blonsky a mutant , but I would not call that a mutant power in and of itself unless you thinking of something I am not.

My list looks like this:

1. Franklin Richards
2. Nathan Gray (X-Man)
3. Nathanial Summers (Cable) without the techno virus
4. En Sabah Nur (Apocalypse)
5. Magnus (Magneto)
6. Charles Xavier (Professor X)
7. Cassandra Nova
8. Bennet du Paris (Exodus)

This is counting all the current and none of the potentially most powerful such as Gambit, Iceman, Storm, Jean Gray etc.

yes hulk is mutant but didnt get his powers from the usual way

so what now we have technicalities to the term mutants? you sound like a mutant discriminator, i think some of you are just pissed that hulk would whoop on most of the x-men

Decopalypse, that list looks far more plausible than manowar's, but i would put xavier a little higher, and amybe add a few characters that are not apart of the x-men world

I believe "mutant" refers to persons receiving their powers due to a genetic flaw (or augmentation, depending on the individual's viewpoint) at birth.

For those who may not realize it at first glance, "strongest" refers to power in general, not physical strength.

I'm such a dunce.

This is counting all the current and none of the potentially most powerful such as Gambit, Iceman, Storm, Jean Gray etc.

i think magneto still can better though with the whole elctromagnetic spectrum on his side he can control alot more metal. but many writers fail to expoliot his gift.

Magneto is powerful, but nowhere near Jean Grey with the Phoenix force. Phoenix can do whatever Magneto can, and more.

yeah phoenix can penerate magnetos helmet. I higly doubt magneto's electro magnetic feild could withstand a pscioni blast from dark phoenix. Maybe but i doubt it, If Cable can make left overs of magnetowith his psi staff im sure magneto would fall against the strongest of the strong of the marvel universe, even though he has a chance and has gone knuckle to fist with many of the top dogs in marvel, shit he is a top dog, but not nearly the most powerfull

"yes hulk is mutant but didnt get his powers from the usual way"

Usual way? If you mean birth then that excuse was only thought up to give a reason for the X-Men having their powers. Mutation is a scientific development caused, in a majority of situations, by heavy exposure to radiation.

-AC

ok heres my answers


Onslaught is NOT mutant he is a Sentient Psionic Being

ok i forgot about Apocalypse and by mutant i mean born mutant, and that is what Hulk is not

1. (Ill first state a biased opinion) Gambit Sucks! NOW having said that, Gambit is not the potentially most powerful seeing as he can only charge inanimate objects!

2. Iceman is no where near the potentially most powerful

3. yes Storm is up there but i only posted the top 8 and shes happens to fall a couple of slots after that

4. I consider Phoenix and Jean Grey the same person

Revised List:

1. Franklin Richards
2. X-Man
3. Apocalypse
4. Dark Phoenix
5. Phoenix
6. Cable (without virus)
7. Magneto (at full power)
8. Professor Xavier
9. Rogue
10. Cassandra Nova
11. Exodus
12. Emma Frost
13. Psylocke
14. Storm

now are you happy? (and NOW it is correct )

Considering Rogue only has her powers due to her fight with Ms.Marvel, with the exception of power draining, I would put Emma Frost, Psylocke (I'm biased but it is true) and a few others above her.

-AC

I don't think Pheonix in any form should be on this list due to it being a Cosmic Force and not a mutant, Jean Gray however is different.

I see you are not knowledgable on the full potential of Gambit, Manowar. If Remy some how mastered control of his power he could control all forms of kinetic energy at will. That is damned powerful if you ask me.

Iceman at his potential is also very powerful as he can drop temperatures to absolute zero stopping all motion of any object down to the atomic level.

I view Jean as just her regular self and Pheonix as Jean powered by a cosmi entity that she can notfully exploit yet.

yes but her powers are listed as Ability/Memory absorption, Invulnerability, Flight, and Class 75 strength! not to mention her potential if she touches the right people

ok first off Remy's a ***! and second, the key words are if he somehow mastered control of his power...my list is not compiled of the potentially strongest mutants, its of THE strongest mutants

Well atleast we all agree that Franklin Richards is number one.

if you want to get scientific, then we all are mutants, every human being. mUtation is one of the most important things to evolution, all these years, the species have changed, and we are no exception.

Hulk was born a mutant.

Don't you think that's why I said that my list is made up of the strongest mutants currently. You misquoted, because I was the one who brought up Gambit,Jean,Iceman and Storm.

oooo nonono i used italics to emphasize myself not to quote you

Off topic : I prefer evolution. Evolution is always good, mutation can be good, but it can also screw you up big time.

Back to topic : As much as I hate to say it, Franklin Richards (must...use...powers...to help...mommy and...daddy...) is in my opinion the strongest mutant.

off course, there are alot of diferent types of mutations, i was just refering to, as you said evolution.

*FeceMan's debate sense is tingling!*

Sensing massive debate coming up...must keep people from arguing and degenerating into flame-fest....

"if you want to get scientific, then we all are mutants, every human being. mUtation is one of the most important things to evolution, all these years, the species have changed, and we are no exception."

Well there you go then. Hulk and Apoc qualify.

-AC

not in my book because i dont believe in Evolution to a certain extent

How can you not believe in evolution....? Besides believing in Creationism.

Going against evolution is a bit silly.

-AC

Huh?

Hulk was born a mutant.

Everyone skipped it last time so again....

Hulk-> was born a mutant. He isn't one due to gamma alteration.

IE Banner is/was a mutant.

i believe things can evolve to a certain extent (as in things grow old and fade away and new things come in), but i dont beleive that shit that we came from apes and all that primordial ooze shit

and i do believe in Creation

Explain this more and tell us where you got it from.

I was the one who brought up The four potentially strong mutants you misquoted me Manowar in a post before that. You made a comment about me adding them to my list of most powerful when I said they were potentially so.

i couldnt begin too make a list as in depth as your guys' but i would definitely put franklin richards at the top.

"but i dont beleive that shit that we came from apes and all that primordial ooze shit"

Very peculiar indeed.

Either way I agree with the list besides the fact Hulk isn't in it.

-AC

I believe in evolution, but as far as the mutation aspect...I'm not sure. There are varying schools of thought regarding this. First and foremost, to my knowledge, there has never been a beneficial mutation. They are always debilitating and lead to severe health problems and death.

Erm, the Hulk comic that stated that he was born a mutant.

ive heard of a benificial mutation...a guy in California's a carrier of the AID's virus, but completly immune to it. crazy stuff.

ive heard of a benificial mutatuion...theres a guy in california whos a carrier of the AID's virus but completly immune to it.

there are alots of theories about these. but mutation is a very important factor in evolution, such as natural selection, etc etc.
you are thinking only in that mutations that are responsible for diceases, for example trough radiation, etc.

mutation is a very interesting subject....i learned in genetics class last semester that everycell in ur body has about 10,000 mutations in it at any given time....however most of these r corrected....i wouldnt hate on creationism, a lot of what we learned about molecualr biology in the last ten years doesnt support evolution....do u know how ur immune system works? basically u were born with antibodies for virtually any disease that could ever evolve (some 4 billion different antibody compund protiens!)...this development and many others in molecular biology dont actually support the theory of evolution because they didnt evolve in tandem with our macrobiology....its really hard to explain....oh and about the Hulk, yea i think banner was born a mutant...i think the fantastic four too....thats what the whole x-men vs FF story was about, Reed Richards knowing all along what the first trip into space and the cosmic rays would do to his friends

That was the basis of FF wasn't it? The rays only brought out what was already there or something.

-AC

why is it? you know that Darwin admitted that the human eye was so complex that it couldn't have been created by the Big Bang or Primordial Ooze--which in turn made him admit that his theory was wrong and before he died he stated that Creation was right and his theory of evolution wasn't

Where did you hear that!? Damn people and their religions.

its a true fact

OK, don't tell me it is a true fact, and then not provide the source. Where did you hear it?

from my parents' friend--hes a news anchor/reporter and he did a story on it once

mmhhmm. Excuse me if I don't believe you or your parent's friend. Or Creation. Or basically any religion on the planet.

"hes a news anchor/reporter and he did a story on it once"

...and we all know how the news and news reporters are the hallmark of truth.

-AC

to me, Creation sounds a little far fetched than it seems. The theory of Evolution, well, just makes more sense then just appearing out of the blue from one all mighty creater.

Yeah. I never really took God for a lazy guy. Just threw a bunch of people on here.

"Have you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look really unevolved? Eyebrow ridges, big furry hands and feet. 'I believe God created me in one day'. Yeah pal it looks like he rushed it."
-Bill Hicks.

I found this fairly amusing.

Quick AC Dictionary reference:

Fairly=Extremely.

-AC

When comes all the way down to it, none of us really know anything about anything, not until we all die, then MAYBE, just MAYBE we'll know something is out there.

Captain Canuck is the strongest mutant(but not the best)

ok, well you can keep on thinking that you evolved from a large, dirty, smelly, hairy, stupid animal--and ill keep thinking my way

"ok, well you can keep on thinking that you evolved from a large, dirty, smelly, hairy, stupid animal--and ill keep thinking my way "

Apes aren't stupid by any means. We're hairy, we still grow body hair and without washing we'd still smell. Humans are more stupid than Apes are, in most cases.

-AC

sure

A response that was not unexpected. I see people like you everyday(I attend a Lutheran School) and they refuse to accept science and facts. I don't know why, because science is in plain sight and proven. Where's the Creator? I don't see him down here.

To understand the theory of evolution, you have to listen to the people who are explaining it to you very closely. I, or We preferably, didn't come from any Baboon or any Gorilla so to speak, we didn't come from anything period. Always, there has been man, just not modern man. Through millions of years man gradually changed into us, what we are today. If you go back far enough on the family tree, using the theory of evolution, say like a couple of 10 million years, every single one of us could have shared the same primative parents as did our gorilla cousins and our chimpanzee (however you spell it) cousins.

He's up there silly. Sitting on the clouds, chilling out.

I do think this has had enough. If we want to continue this we should do so elsewhere. I wouldn't like one of my threads turned wrong. Nor would anyone else I guess. Although Manowar did create this thread.

-AC

do you see wind? can you see smells? tastes? sounds? NO you can only sense their affects!

at least i have something to believe in and dont have to wonder if im going to burn in hell for eternity ater i die

Basically, I have no religion. I believe in nothing but to live and let live because that's our only choice, the universe is too big for us to really worry about and the after-life is too mysterious to ponder around about, so.

No, i can't see them, but i can smell smells, feel wind, and hear sounds. I don't see, hear, feel, taste, or smell god or whatever it is you worship. Pretty weak argument most Christians use.



I don't worry if I'm going to burn in hell. I honestly don't give a shit if I do. Needing something to believe in just implies that you are weak and insecure, and need something to lean on(metaphorically). I stand alone, and I like it that way.

I stand alone as well, I have no belief, not because it could be weak, but because it's futile, why believe in something you have no idea that it is real or not? It just seems so hopeless sometimes, or atleast that's how I look at it.

if you want to be religious the nso be it. if not then curs god if you want. who cares. this is ccomic forum. topic is strongest mutants, not Aethists vs. Christians.

People can beleive what they want. Sure go ahead commit the rest of your life on a religion based on a story book handed down thousands of generations. Re-written so many times, converted into so many languages and back to english that its just a bunch of jibberish. Hey i mean it is fairly obvious that a higher power created the Universe i mean theres no proof, its based on a story and is printed into peoples minds, GOD EXISTS, hey thats all the proof i need...... Was that sarcasim?
Evoloution, ha. A scientific "theory" wich can be proven and makes a lot more sense than just well appearing out of air.... What? sarcasim?

Beleive what u want, religion, whatever. The same can be said about me and anyone else who beleives in evoloution and not some mumbo jumbo. Just stay away from me with ur religious beleifs, i never want anything to do with it. And as far as burning in hell Manowar, ha if i beleived in hell i'd beleive in heaven in turn making me beleive in god wich i dont!! I dont?? realy? lol naww.

woo i feel better now.Back to the strongest mutants...

i think this veered way off topic and everyone should keep their religious views to themselves

heres my corrections

1. Franklin Richards
2. X-Man
3. Apocalypse
4. Cable (without virus)
5. Magneto (at full power)
6. Professor Xavier
7. Jean Grey
8. Cassandra Nova
9. Exodus
10. Emma Frost
11. Psylocke
12. Rogue
13. Scarlet Witch
14. Storm

hey guys look,Captain Obvious....lets get you a sidekick.

It wasn't to do with the film, the Hulk thingum, although that was the basis of the film.

Science provides no more concrete answers than religion in terms of where it all started.

And this thread is beyond wrecked.

Stop. Now.

Darwin rushed his theories in order to publish his work before another scientist doing a similar project could publish his. Thus, he ended up "fudging" some stuff.

Personally, I believe in Creationism BUT I am strong believe in microevolution.

Now that I have stated my opinion, I'm going to stop and not comment on this anymore.

i totally agree with you, Fece. i myself believe in Creation, but i also believe in microevolution

i like apocalypse, colossus, wolverine, gambit, pheonix, magneto, and mister sinister

Originally posted by Wynndar
do u know how ur immune system works? basically u were born with antibodies for virtually any disease that could ever evolve (some 4 billion different antibody compund protiens!)...

I saw this and I had to reply. We're not so much born with all those antibodies, as we're born with the B-cells to eventually make them, and even then the VDJ-segment of DNA can go through random rearrangement to further increase the affinity of antibodies to any given antigen. I can't remember what the exact number of potential diversity of antibodies, will have to look it up. But, if there's anything that supports evolution in this situation, its the gamma-delta T-cells which link the adaptive immune system to the archaic innate immune system.

Stop. Now.

Darwin rushed his theories in order to publish his work before another scientist doing a similar project could publish his. Thus, he ended up "fudging" some stuff.

Personally, I believe in Creationism BUT I am strong believe in microevolution.

Now that I have stated my opinion, I'm going to stop and not comment on this anymore.

me too

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