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What came first, the egg or the chicken. this long debated question can now be debated here.
Although the answer is quite obvious, it must have been the chicken because the chicken lays the egg.

yes, the answer is clear; the chicken. some small organism was created(chicken) and started breeding (eggs). this is the natural, and only way, period.

Looking at it so literally is rather to miss the point of it. Everything in nature can be pointed to as coming from something else, which means at SOME point something has come from nothing, which is impossible.

the big bang, God, me

no, it came from something, very small, and then a Bang. those small things are like chickens.

Not necessarily Ush. All matter in the Universe could have been created from the energy from the Big Bang (remember, E=MC^2 ). Before the Big Bang, time didn't exist so we can't go there in a linear fashion.

This discussion is just like how did God come to being if there was no life before him/her.

You're assuming God "lives" in pseudo-linear time like we do. He may exist at once in all times...thus has always lived in the so-called past, present and future.

who came first? the egg, the chicken or wafflegod?
ME

Then how come everyone assumes that God is human?

THAT is assuming time exists at all, Raz, so it is a dodgy area no matter what you say about it. But even if it DOES, the huge hole in the Big Bang theory is that there is no discernible event zero to start it from, so the question STILL remains.

Mah, I think you missed the point. Something had to create the small thing as well. Go far enough back and it all falls apart.

Does anyone believe in the Primordial Soup theory?

That just proves my point. Its an example of something that doesn't "come" from something else.

And of course time exists! In the way we interpretate it anyway. The reason I said God could exisit in ALL time, suggests that he may infact not even exist in our precived version of time.

ush: no I didn't miss it. my point is that there was never nothing; before the big bang there was a big destruction of the universe, and in between, as raz said time didn't exist.

Yes mah is right. There is the possiblity of the circular time where the universe expands and closes in on itself - which causes the Big Bang. That could suggest the our future could have already happened before!

Mah, you just contradicted yourself.There cannot be anything 'before' the big bang, if there is no time before it.

Raz, you say of 'course' time exists but the idea that it does not is a theory being debated on the same level as things like the Big Bang. Bigger people than us talk about this sort of thing all the time. And then they teach people that in turn bore me to death talking about it.

But time in OUR percieved term exists to US - which is what I'm talking about. Whether is ACTUALLY exists in the physcial term, that is another matter.

I hope I'm not boring you to death

Oh, computer nuts like you bore me in a whole different way...

Nope, that theory states that we don't perceive time at all. It is a false quantity that we have errneously defined. Whatever we experience is not time.

It gets rather stupidly complex from there. Perhaps not as stupid as relativty.

But what the heck do they really know anyway? Time theories are alwas VERY tenuous and fashons change every decade; they are no closer to an accurate anserr on that than they are to breaking the light barrier. Another example of something that was once impossible and now that is being questioned.

anyways; the chicken was first, right?

Ahh...thanks And you littarary folk bore me in an incredibal way!
Yes that is the difference between PERCIEVED and ACTUAL time. I was talking about the former, you the latter.
Hey relativity is not stupid - its fun!....it a freaky sort of way

I have NO idea why you think that. It is entirely possible the egg came first; a pre-evolutionary stage of the chicken laid it and a chicken came out. That is actually more likely.

Can't tell you that until we sort out this time problem

It would more likely have been an evolutionary process over millions of years. You can't just say this is where is became a chicken.

well I think of the chicken as anything that can make some new lifeform.

On the contrary, at ONE point it would one day be what we would call a chicken whilst its parents were not. There HAS to be a cut-off point for species somewhere.

And no, Raz- seriosuly, that theory disposes of the theory of 'perceived' time entirely. We are not perceiving time. We don't even think we are. So they say.

But some lizards lay eggs aswell. They are possibly not chickens

Who are "they"?

you know, after all this talking... I feel like chicken tonight : lots of feathers and always babbling

Think about it Ush. It wouldn't have suddenly turned into a chicken. It would have had a mixure of the ancestors of chickens and the chickens we have today. i.e. it might have had scales AND feathers. Is that a chicken?

'They' is whatever phD scientist is fronting his latest theory to the Lancet. 'No-time' theory lkast diud rounds last September; articles in the broadsheets and so on, pointing out that the Greeks first thought of it.

And I repeat, Raz, that there would be, at SOME point, something we would define as a chicken as opposed to something we would not. A half-chicken is not a chicken. And as such half-breeds do not exist today they could not be considered species.

There WOULD be such a thing as the first chicken.

Yes but would we noticed the difference between the first chicken and its parents. It wouldn't have THAT much difference between them. You could never IMO find the first chicken. Just like we couldn't find the first human.....in evolutionary terms.

More to the point, it is unlikely two scientists would actually agree on what technically constitues a chicken.

So yes, it is only a theoretical thing.

Hurrah! I'm nearly right!

I'm gonna say the egg first came, then the first (modern) chicken arrived

well its just one big chain. the chicken had to have started it so it can lay eggs.

Well, here we are, back at the start!

well let me put it all together in to one big sensible answer. we are too young to know the answer!

The chicken.

God, I miss DD.

All I know is that I like scrambled eggs. And chicken is tasty. So let's drop this whole chicken egg crap

For LadyEowyn,

Since chickens evolved from another creature, one day (*in theory*) a chicken was born from an EGG which was distinct from its ancestors and looked similar to a modern chicken.

So in that sense the EGG came first from which the first modern chicken hatched from

what Raz said and then it was KFC

Then there was blocked arteries.

but the EGG that had a chicken inside of it, MUST have come from a chicken.

first the maggots, then the chicken, then the production and finally the egg maybe??

then macbreakfast

Bleck. You wouldn't catch me eating breakfast at McDonalds....or any other meal for that matter. McGristle sandwich anyone ?

Subway

Mah- no, the egg would NOT have to have come from a chicken.

are you saying that creature x could give birth to a chicken?

Yes. That is the process of evolution. You do not personally change, your offspring do. Therefore one day something that was not a chicken laid an egg out of which a chicken hatched.

Maybe a mad scientist manipulated the egg.

I guess I have to admit you're right now.......damn!

Hang on... is that an admission?

Queeq? Have you been secretly manipulating evolution from the start?

Of course.

ush, I'll beat you in a discussion one day! but I understand that this isn't the right one.

You can't win. He cheats.

You should see Ush debate with himself. Now thats something to see.

finti - yeah, subway is good.

I wish we had subway here in Stavanger Just Mcdonalds and Burger King

Thats fat city and fat town.

So where is the closest subway ?

London or the States I guess

Damn ! Didn't know you meant that far. I could send you a three foot sub but by the time you would get it, it would end up like that one that Homer kept after the company picnic that made him sick.

amd then I could have used it as a baseball bat

Yes, the bread may get a little stale...

stale mate

a new superhero is born...

*starts humming the tune of Batman*
Stale mate! Stale mate! Stale mate!

yerssot has been going a little overboard on the waffle syrup again.....

he is actually in the cyrup

Sounds like a sticky situation.

most of the stuff in Belgium is a sticky situation

My mental picture of Belgium is something along the lines of Inspector Clouseau.

Nope. Too intelligent for Belgium.

That was before your time BG.

WAY before your time. Still funny though.

Especially when Cato was hiding in the refridgerator.

CATO where are you, you Damn yellow swine
where is Yers any way

Peter Sellers was one of the funniest men ever.

My favourite Goon sketch is with him and the late Spike Milligan, where Spike says, "I think the cat wants to go out", to which Peter replies, "How do you know?".

Spike: "Cus he's just put his hat and coat on".

He is awsome as the Indian actor that always messes up

Chicken

oh, back on topic.

ok one celled creature

I feel like chicken tonight, like chicken tonight, like chicken tonight!
(now, where's the corn?)

In a can..in the cupboard.

clukc cluck

Yes..that's right Mr. Chicken.

you`re hearing this Yers

are we still doing chicken?