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I cannot see Eowyn and Wormtongue together, but some people do. Lots of people think they flirt too. What is your opinion?kicking

Miranda Otto, said she feels sorry for his caracter and may have even caved in to him.

yes...but still.

Get real!

its not really love or nething like that tho cuz grima had feelings for eowyn this is obvious .. but eowyn was more wise than he was and knew wat he was up to ... and to be honest who would go out with something a crippeled as GRima ...

he was just Naaahhhstay

even tho hes a minger hes my fav charcter

What are you talking about??
Grima, was no doubt the best looking guy in those movies.
I'm telling ya', chick's dig the whole 'death camp white' look.......

he had no eyebrows.... but as a charcter he was a minger but as a an actor hes more respectable

And, seeing as she was going to be made to marry her cousin, (who she had grown up with, and was like a sister to him), I can see anything possible.
If I had been her, I woulda' said:
"Uncle Theoden, **** you!"

ok looking at it like that i would prefer to marry grima ... isnt marrying ur cousin insest ... ( sorry i dont know who to spell

well back in the day anything goes

true ... its sick

The relationship between Grima and Eowen is tragic, sad, unrequited, and downright disturbing...

I think Grima truly does Love Eowen. there is nothing worse than loving somone you know dosn't love you back...and you love them anyway, and you know that you can never have her, but you still love, even if its kept quitely to yourself and she dosn't know about it...
Think of poor Eowen...she didn't relize how her actions probably hurt him, how her words, and coldheartedness affected him in such a negative and destructive way...do you think that she got a glimpse of how he felt when she was rejected(gently) by Aragorn...and her love was torn away from her in the same way that grima's was...
I think out of all the troubles that grima had to endure, and all the treachery that he caused, all the pain he had, Eowen's rejection to him hurt him the most...even if it wasn't phsically, it is the worst pain you can ever experience, and that is what makes him a tragic character. Evil people have feelings too...and I wonder if he doubted himself and wonderd if he could have done somthing diferent that could change eowen's feelings towards him...
Grima's story is full of heartache and pain, and I do know that he truly loved her, even if it was in a twisted, distorted and distrubed way of loving...
Eowen had no idea of what he had to go thru...and I dont' think she realy cared...and that adds even more pain to Grima...Unrequited love can drive people to do terible things...love is a powerfull emotion and that goes both ways...if your love isn't returned it can drive you to destruction

that was so..poetic

Smod, I feel that way about someone.....

realy? you still feel that way? who is she?

****off-topic*****
This is realy scary, and its kinda personal, but within the same hour I wrote that...My ex girlfriend called(amanda) and told me that she wants us to be together again, and how it will be diferent this time, but its up to me...she them asked if I loved her.

I was thinking of what to do...I was so freaked out...I had JUST wrote that thing about unrequited love...and now my ex-girlfriend is calling me and asking me if I love her. And I don't. Its not that she's a bad person, its not that I 'HATE' her. I just don't love her. I love sombody else...andmy love for that somone is extreme, and powerfull, and I love her more than anybody. SO I was freaking out and thinking how Amanda must feel...And how weird this is, that I JUST wrote somthing from HER point of VIEW!...and I didn't even know it....
I didn't want to lead her on...so I did what I had to...I told her that I don't love her...I sensed she was upset by the tone in her voice...she was trying not to show it i think, but I could tell...and I sorta felt for her...I told her not to be upset over me, because I'm not worth it...and she'll find someone else..I told her I still want to be friends...and she said ok...but I could tell she was realy upset that I didn't return her love...
the irony of this is so strange, but I hope she's not to upset, because she is my friend...at least I hope she is
****off-topic*****

ok I had to get that out....carry on

How do you know it's a she.....
No, it is. My ex-Kelly.....damn whore.......sorry, but she's a complete *****.....it might just be infatuation....
And erm-uh-I am sorry Smodden, for the way you feel.........

hear hear!! :roll:

this is an (ahem) interesting thread... i gots no comment

Wow...people very dramatic in this discussion. I like it. Alright yes i do think the eowyn and wormtongue thing is gross if you consider them "together" but the person "Smodden" or w/e has a really good point.

its not that he loves sum 1 that doesnt realise his feelings because she does i think everyone in rohan does.. its more to the fact that she dislikes him that why he his evil streak comes in cus if eowyn loved him in the same way he does her he would more than likly be good

Grima is infatuated with eowyn
Eowyn isnt really too keen on him ever since he got drunk and said 'you know...worms just a name....im more like a snake '

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

hahahahahahahahahaha

i wasn't expecting that, funniness... i need that after a crappy day

lol.....

wat r u like ... mad mad person

What am i like? You tell me
IMO im a very sweet young innocent boy...

INNOCENT... really

hysterical

omg wat a sweet smily i have fallen in love wit something yellow ...

isn't he darling?....his name's eezy

ladygrim luvs lil yellow eezy

hystericalwhip

r u taking the miky

poor wormy....

nobody loves him...
no one feels sorry for him...

i do ... he's my fav character in lotr .....

Um...I made a poem.

It's Grima talking to Eowyn. Kinda creepy...

You see the darkness in my eyes,
But do you see the light?
It’s shining dimly, so dimly,
You’re love could rekindle the dying flame,
You’re beauty astounds me,
Shining from your eyes,

Can you see into my soul, I ask you?
Please hear my words,
You could be mine, if I were yours,
To have you in my arms, such thoughts haunt me,
These images in my dark and twisted mind,
The desires that control me, please, please see me,

Oh, the feelings I have for you,
Tearing up my mind, my soul,
The most beautiful pain imaginable,
You’re an icy rose; it’s petals frozen,
Cold and breathtaking, how I want to touch you,
How I want to tell you these things I feel,

Please don’t flinch at my cold touch,
Don’t walk away from me again,
Oh why, oh why, I try so hard,
Bewitched by you, I’m yours I swear!
Just be mine, now and for eternity,
Embrace me and love me.

Forbidden I know, but I care not!
You’re hatred of me kills me inside,
But no, I’m already dead…
I implore you, take my hand!
And bring the life back into me,
Despise me no longer, worship me I beg!

It’s twisted love, I know it is,
Return my twisted love, I plead!
Revive my soul and pity me,
Fall into my loving arms,
Trust my words, for they are true,
forbidden love, I yearn for you…

if he wasnt so evil am sure Wormtongue would have been some drunk college's chick last resort.

I felt sorry for him when Eomer held him and he stared at Eowyn - but then he got Eomer restrained and thats a nono in my books.

In conclusion NO I certainly couldnt see that happening and wouldnt want to - I mean come on, faramir or Wormtongue?

I don't think that ppl are saying worntongue is beter than faramir or he's even another choice....but I DO think that wormtonuge felt strongly for Eowen...and did love her even if it was in a twisted sort of way...

and great poem as usual s-b... You realy captured grima's emotions...you trapped some wild thing, some wretched wiked horible pain of grima...Your briliant.

kwl... but very true...

With black clothes and dark, lank hair in place that could so easily peg him as the Snidely Whiplash of Rohan, Grima goes on to create a soul under those robes. After Éomer throws him against the pillar and says he's been watching Gríma eyeing Éowyn, the lady in question walks by and the close-up on Grima shows not vile lust, but pathetic longing. The preceding shot of Éowyn, a beautiful slow turn as she looks at him with loathing in her eyes before stalking off, is as though we are looking at her through his eyes. We see the beauty that compels him, but we also see the hatred he knows she feels for him.

This rebuff may come into play in the next scene with Gríma in which he comes upon Éowyn beside Theodred's deathbed. He taunts her with her loneliness and unprotected state now that Éomer has been banished. It's a nasty little speech that takes a different turn when he speaks of her beauty, his fingers brushing her hair and his hand lingering on her neck and throat while staring at her intently, as though trying to bend her will to his. When I saw it, my thought was that Gríma obviously isn't the sort who knows how to woo fair maiden. He only knows how to manipulate and intimidate, and it was a botched attempt at persuasive coercion. Yes, his attitude is abhorrent, but when she says "Your words are poison!" and storms out, he looks down at his hand that had just recently touched her. Perhaps he regrets what he just did? Or he probably couldn't just believe that he had actually touched Eowyn?The course of the conversation indicated to me that he is torn between wanting to punish her for hating him, and wanting her to accept him and return some of his affection - to gain some affection and acceptance, for he has none to call his own. Does the loneliness he speak of come from his own experience? What does he do and think about in the bitter watches of the night?

Grima was a more complex character than many give him credit for, as were most of Tolkien's characters. As for the tear upon seeing the Uruk-Hai army, when I watch this part I always feel that Grima was himself deceived by Saruman even as he was deceiving Theoden. There is no basis for this, but in my mind it always seemed that Grima may have thought that Saruman was going to take over Rohan, not destroy it entirely. I think it very sad, indeed that at the end, just when he had finally freed himself from Saruman (he was, after all in a way enslaved by Saruman) he was quickly killed. I just cannot bring myself to hate this character, no matter what he had done, because he was so pitiful. People feel very sorry for Gollum, but seem to feel no pity for poor Grima, who had been ensnared, in all probability, by Saruman's powerful voice and, so enslaved. He must have been very desperate to attain that which he could get no other way. He brooded upon it, and then a way was offered by Saruman. He took it. I feel a lot more sympathy towards him, perhaps as much as I have for Gollum, or even more.

Who could not pity Gríma's utter inability to make peace with Théoden and to take part in his people's finest hour; his self-imposed exile with a character who holds him in contempt?

Just my thoughts, sorry for rambling.

Thank you, sir.

cry as usually an absolutely incredibly brilliant post, Shad... actually imo one of your best cry

Each word so true... if I read it once again, Gríma will probably be my favourite character
I feel so sorry for him... and regret that I didn't do that earlier... I kinda never really registered his existence, he is so overlooked, I hardly ever remember him when I think of the different characters in LoTR... I guess that changed now... thank you, Shadowy

Best sentence cry

Indeed.cry

LOL..thanks Exa.

Smodden...

oh yes smodden I have no question that Grima did infact love Eowyn,

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lady grim ur on a roll

me....lol

Wormtongue + Eowyn...
tv_horror yucky

sure, why not. pity booty.

i dont see them together either to me its one side realtionship really wormtongue 'adores' eowyn on the other hand eowyn despizes wormtongue...