What do you consider art? (tired hiker's rebirthing of a closed thread)

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Tired Hiker
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Backfire originally wrote: too much nonsense in this thread. It's original topic has been polluted beyond any possible salvation. Feel free to start up a new thread of the same topic if you can do it withouth childish name calling and posting pictures with nudity and such.

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I consider the shape of my butt as a work of art. I am so sexy. I am art. youpi

I am a droplet of water. So many colors of the spectrum as light passes through me. My body is a temple, a temple of art.blow

lil bitchiness
Oh lord!

Tired Hiker
You called?

lil bitchiness
On the question of what art is, i think its an expresion, whether that be in form of music painting, writing, performing arts...anything can be art.
Its what you make it really...smile

burlyman
rolling on floor laughing hahah i love you laughing out loud

lil bitchiness
Dont make me come overtherenono

Then you'll be work of art...with all different colours on your face...

CaPtaInCLaUdiA
Oh god ! it cant be tired hiker talking about art!!!

Why doesnt it surprise me that he is talking about his ass as art...hmm...if your ass was really art you'd be getting much more money for it cheap ugly skank!!

muahahahhahhaha!

Orlando Bloom03
Once again Strange People!!!

Xena fan
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Fire
well if he created his own ass then maybe...

BakaXero
Plastic surgery?

Asami
Some ancient Philosophers e.g. saw art as either beauty or its not. WEll we all know thats not true.

Think or aesthetics. Aesthetics is to do with the senses, what our senses perceive, e.g. ANaesthetics, getting injected, our senses pick it up then numbs it.

"Audition" has got to be one of the most artistic movies I've seen (go rent it).

Phoenix
But seriously, to stick to the topic...


where has all this 'Art/Porn' argument come from?

Phoenix
when I had this as my sig a few weeks back, no-one yelled at me telling me it was porn...

Fire
I dunno but some ppl seem to think that a nude painting or a nude sculpture goes too far.

silver_tears
nudity is a big part of art smart

Darth Revan
It came from the thread called "Are there any fans of H.G. Giger here?" or something like that
It's hard to explain exactly what happened but you'll see if you start where Xena fan called whatever was in that link porn (I'm not going to say whether or not I think it was since it got deleted before I saw what was in it)

Xena fan
At first I thought the title was "Ginger fans come here" so I felt it was a funny title in an art forum.

I click the title and to my surprise there were nude pictures of women which CAN be consider degrating to females! As I scroll down I found a link in which there was a pic of a WOMAN AND MAN DOING A SEXUAL ACT! I made a report becuase I felt it was PORNOGRAPHY! BackFire review the link and He edited!

I was so fustrated at the idea that I suggested that Windancer ( who I find to be responsible ) SHOULD HAVE BEEN BAN!

lil bitchiness
Oh, i came at you did I....







Please review your tone and your replys before you say anything else about me, alright?

Xena fan
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Darth Revan
Um... Yeah... The thing is, I never insulted you in the post I just made. Somebody asked where this whole argument came from, and I was giving them an answer. Do you have a problem with me answering somebody's question?
Also, lil bitchiness is NOT Windancer's assistant. She is, in fact, one of our more respected members.
I have a suggestion for you. You have repeatedly said that you were going to leave. Well, if this conversation makes you so mad, why don't you do so? Though I must say it might be too late now. Congratulations, you've turned a petty argument into something that practically the whole forum knows about. I have tried to be civil, but you're just bashing members now.

burlyman
What the f**k? There was blatant warnings

oh, and can it not be considered degrading to males? huh

Xena fan
You havent insult me! I thank you for that! I was just making making clear how lil bitchiness started the whole feud. That is all.

Fire
Keep this ON TOPIC

Phoenix
Uh.. Xena? I think you need to chill, sweetie, we're not trying to attack you...

WindDancer
IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL SO OFFENDED, GUESS WHAT? I'm not coming back to this shit AGAIN!!!!!

Xena fan
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silver_tears
Lsten very carefully, you are starting to bother me, something on a public forum is our business, you don't like it leave! miffed

Second of all you may not know this, but alot of us our friends, singling us out and ranting about a certain post is not the way to go, in fact there are other ways to deal with it, and calling us perverts and weirdos, that's crossing the line!!

Don't like it stay out of it!!

and to keep this on topic, some of the world's most renowned and celebrated artists of the years have painted or sculpted nudity, you need to grow up.

It's what people consider art, unless you speak for the rest of us, shut it

Xena fan
Okay sweetheart YOU need to step back! Im done fightin and if you support those two weirdos then thats your business! I already setting this whole fighting aside. Can you do that?

silver_tears
I support my friends, because I don't believe in censoreship, sweetheart roll eyes (sarcastic)
Danny posted a warning!! He did not just display the pic on the open board, unless you were looking for that in particular no one told you to open the link. There's a fine line between porn and art, maybe you need to read up on both!

Xena fan
Who the hell is Danny? Im talking about a guy that posted pics in the giger thread! Windancer and lilbitchness is whom Im refering to! Sheesh! Stop botherin me!

silver_tears
Danny would be winddancer, maybe if you had been here longer you would have known smart

and for the future, we have a report button, please don't abuse it yes

CaPtaInCLaUdiA
YOu tell her sistah!

Mhm mhm!

Xena fan
Thank you smile

Certain females in this forum just dont get the right ideas. Thanks for your support. thumb up

silver_tears
she meant me yes

burlyman
laughing out loud laughing laughing out loud rolling on floor laughing laughing out loud laughing laughing out loud
You really do crack me up!!

CaPtaInCLaUdiA
ye happy
siver tears is my sistah...i got yo back girl love

no offence to you XEna! you must be a nice person too but i dont like it when they argue with my ..SISTAH!

silver_tears
told you cool

lil bitchiness
Senorship in art is wrong! Nudity in art is not ment for the pornographic uprpases, if you cant see beyond that, than i suppose ts ok for some people...thats the stage you're at.

You need to have a perverted mind to begin with to see all that is nude perverted!

Xena fan
Lookie here your so-called friend likes pornography scroll down.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=14101

Is quite clear from his profile that he is a pervert! Now dont you think YOU should STOP defending him?

Ushgarak
Ahem, Xena, don't run down people for liking porn; that is a person's personal choice and is a person's right.

silver_tears
Doesn't change my opinion of him big grin
I am very open minded, what people do on their own time, is not my business sweetheart, he doesn't hurt me with it, so why should I bothered big grin

Here's something for you :
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=521

have a good one big grin

JKozzy
No, it's his choice.

lil bitchiness
thumb up yeah that!!

Xena fan
So what if he has the urge to post pornography? You can NEVER trust those people!

Ushgarak
You cannot trust someone just because they like porn? That does not follow.

If people want to post it then we will deal with that but leave a person's personal likes out of things, ok?

silver_tears
Read my link honey big grin
then say something smart

Xena fan
BackFire is a moderator and you cannot comment on moderators. Read the rules.

silver_tears
I am not commenting negatively, but if you judge danny then you condemn everyone else smart

CaPtaInCLaUdiA
its tru !

its completely normal for humans to like porn just as long as they dont hurt anybody its harmless.

I personally dont like it, but i respect ppl that do.

Xena fan
Males that like pornography also support the explotation of a womans body! Im sure that guy probably supports prostitution! Which is what porn is!

Xena fan
How can you respect perverts?

JKozzy
Your generalizations are very broad, that's equivalent to saying someone of are loonies.

Xena fan
Read it again!

silver_tears
How can you support women who wear tight clothes to make more money, is that not porstitution too big grin

VENOMfan
you seem to have some issue's with male's, there is a psyhciatrist thread in the General Disscusion forum.

Ushgarak
Why only the woman's body? Why can it not exploit the man's body? Where did this idea that only women can be exploited come from?

I am sorry but accusing those who like porn of supporting prostitution I consider flaming. I am also finding your attitude increasingly sexist so I would ask you to refrain from commenting on such things.

Xena fan
Those woman have been tricked! Some are even force to do it. Dont you watch the news?

JKozzy
Pretty darn easily, like the human beings they are. Everyone isn't perfect, no matter what you say, you can't change that.

Xena fan
Very well I will stop. But I still think that guy is pervert! Im not flammin anyone just telling the truth.

silver_tears
don't you watch Xena big grin

JKozzy
Those are criminal cases where an individual uses LSD or other drug to tamper with the short-term memory of their victim. The victim and criminal can both be male or female.

CaPtaInCLaUdiA
I dont respect that they watch porn, but i respect their choice!

Xena fan
edit

JKozzy
For times like these, I wish there were a smiley that had a yellow smilie laughing and pounding on the floor with his fists laughing out loud

Xena fan
Those are very sick choices they have! Personally I think they need psychiatry help.

silver_tears
hey it's women wearing short skirts to make money yes
kinda got yourself mixed up there yes

I didn't specify porn, I said women wearing skirts to make money, doesn't mean porn smart

burlyman
I like porn, I like surrealist art. Don't trust me I might rape you What the f**k?

Ushgarak
The truth only in your opinion, and it is a contentious opinion that insults many people here, and so is flaming.

Now, I think that further dwelling on this issue- in any of the threads around here- is unhelpful.

lil bitchiness
This is going to get someone banned! yes

So lets stop this, and talk about what we consider art!!

What styles do you like, what forms of art? Stuff like that....

JKozzy
Yes, however I'm sure the directors are male; aren't they manipulating or tricking the actresses to exploit their bodies in the television show that was meant to attract males in the first place, like you so previously stated?

silver_tears
thank you cool
I'm brilliant really yes

JKozzy
whistle

Xena fan
Mostly males.

silver_tears
Not the point, I'm just as capable of it, doesn't mean I am gonna do it, but blaming the whole male race is very racist of you I suppose big grin

VENOMfan
you need help, i recomend a few dose'es a day of reality

lil bitchiness
Oh come on everyone!!!

Art is an expression, thats what its there for! Not to cause sexual arousal!

Like i said, its pretty simple not to be able to look beyond ''its nudity therefore its porn''!!

Art isnt all birds and flowers....

burlyman
Venom> laughing out loud

JKozzy
Read it again! laughing out loud

Xena fan
There are good males out there. But most of them do support that kinda of thing. Most males think with their genitals rather than with their brain. Sounds vulgar but is true.

JKozzy
Have you any proof? You must have a pretty messed up experience with guys; I beg to differ greatly on that statement. messed

silver_tears
So most females think with their checkbooks cool











I can be just as stereotypical roll eyes (sarcastic)

Xena fan
Okay first of all Im a married woman, and my husband is very supportive of me. He even agrees with my comments about most males being perverts most of the time.

Im a very happily married woman, and I found a man that really is different from the junk that is out there.

silver_tears
that's wonderful for you, now let the rest of us find the same, instead of corrupting our minds against the male race smart

Darth Revan
Uh.... Noooooooooo.... I'm male and I don't look at porn, I don't try to get women to strip, I don't enjoy Michelangelo just because there are naked people, and NO, I'm not gay. All of my MALE friends are the same way. We are intelligent people. We think with our brains. And we respect that women have just as much integrity as we do.

JKozzy
Then tell me, why is such a happily married woman like yourself wasting your time on a forum for hours on end stirring up opinions and flaming? Is this really worth it to you?

VENOMfan
I will further repeat myself.....read my quote's!! there is no PORN in the art forum and noone is making a damn penny of posting these pic's if you have such a huge problem with it, then start some sorta petition or somthing, but stop posting this nonsense

silver_tears
If you have such a big problem with exploiting women yes
Please see the music labels out there who promote Christina Aguilera and such song as Dirrty, or Madona and Britney kissing to make money, that could be considered porn because it create arousal yes

lil bitchiness
I like sex!

I like art also! All forms and kinds, i can appreciate!!

Does that make me a pervert!! eek!

JKozzy
Can't forget Britney Spears's Toxic. And how about Janet Jackson? She exploited herself! What do you have to say about that? Women are equal about exploiting themselves as males are.

Xena fan
You might be an exception then. But average males dont see it that way. My husbands family is also very supportive on my views. So Im glad that you dont like porn. Males that think porn is great need to get themselves check in a hospital for mentallly problems.

JKozzy
Come talk to the entire male population at my high school about porn being evil and horrible. Tell them they all should check into a hostpital for mentallity problems. I dare you. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Xena fan
Those women are entertainers and they DONT represent females in ANY WAY!

JKozzy
If they're not females then what the fook are they? messed

burlyman
rolling on floor laughing oh my haha

Xena fan
EDIT!

silver_tears
are you omish What the f**k?

JKozzy
Feisty, aren't we? roll eyes (sarcastic)

lil bitchiness
Im a pervert!!

Oh and I also watched porn!! eek!


Nudity is form of art...pornography is not...end of story!

silver_tears
thank you for playing god yes
see you there wavey

JKozzy
Oh golly gee, SO DID I! I'M GOING TO HELL! eek!

burlyman
Or just kidnap you and take you to my basement to be my housewife while I paint pictures of fruit.... in a cubist style eek!

Darth Revan
Ok then let me put it this way. I don't know a single guy who is like you described. I have seen maybe 100 like that max in my entire life.

I agree with these guys; most music videos nowadays could be considered porn. In fact, so could Xena. As has been posted several times by several different people, porn is images designed to create sexual arousal. Xena is a woman who runs around with a short skirt on. There is a strong lesbian influence in many aspects of the show. And you are a fan? The creator of that show is exploiting women!! Flame him, for god's sake!!

JKozzy
thumb up

silver_tears
can I come and be your eternal slave eek!

burlyman
yeah but don't tell anyone you asked, make it look like i forced you

silver_tears
done whip

VENOMfan
and you consider those biblical peice's dipicting nude male's offencive?

I think it's blasphemous to put sexuality and religon in the same context

burlyman
i'll be the one doing the whipping. i think thats the right steorotypical role.

silver_tears
yes of course my leige praywhip

JKozzy
I think I should point out the first post of this thread: the human body is art. The world is art. The universe is art; arguably divine art crafted by God. It seems that some people can consider themselves art as well.

silver_tears
The beauty that is me is art confused

VENOMfan
it wont really matter she has her "no nude" art thread now, so hopefully she keep's here comment's in there

burlyman
wink

JKozzy
I went into it a few minutes ago... I swear my speakers have crickets in them! eek!

silver_tears
Oh and honey, stay away from those woman's mags that contain half naked woman and how to give yourself a breast exam yes even though they are written by women confused
And don't visit the doctor, cuz I'm sure it's all a ploy to see you naked ninja
I'm sure the whole word is a perv only interested in nudity smart

lil bitchiness
laughing out loud

That is so true!!!

Seriously true...yes

Ushgarak
Ok, ok, gee, can we move on now?

burlyman
evil face

JKozzy
As long as Xena fan is willing to move on, yes I'm ready to move on! yes

silver_tears
I'm done and my point has been made cool
Points actually smart

burlyman
Without sly provocative hints everywhere roll eyes (sarcastic)

Phoenix
erm, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't nearly every male on the planet enjoy their daily dose of porn...?

Fire
I don't see what the big deal is, I have a great deal of respect for all living creatures, including women, but I don't mind Porn.

Phoenix
I don't feel the need for porn myself, but there is nothing wrong with people who do. Besides, a lot of people term it 'erotica' which sounds pretty posh to me! wink

lil bitchiness
There is a differance between erotica and porn. yes

Phoenix
whats the diff?

lil bitchiness
Erotica is a depiction of sexual things. Pornography is erotica with
violence and degradation displacing some of the sexuality.

WindDancer
Is that what you really want? For Heavens sake what really has cause you to be so upset with me? I don't care for the accusations, but could you really explain WHAT have I done to you?

One more thing:

You don't like pornography? Then why is it that YOU keep bringin the topic of porn into the conversation.

Phoenix
erm, so to be the good Moddy child we all know I am... erm.. pictures are pretty... blink

That should get us away from porn... hopefully... wink

WindDancer
I really don't see the reason why Xena fan keeps bring in the topic of porn into an art forum. I personally have some art pics to post so her comments are only a waste of my time.

Tah-tah!

Phoenix
I stand by my statement... pictures look pretty... big grin

lil bitchiness
I agree with Phoe!! Pictures = prettiness!!big grin

Fire
not all Pornography includes Violence or Degradation.

Xena fan
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lil bitchiness
True, but pornography is doing either, voilence, degrating or sexual displacement...

Thats the deffinition of it anyway...

Fire
there is no reason to get offensive

and the dutch definition of pornography comes closer to the truth I think lil

lil bitchiness
Im not offended by phornograpy Fire! Where abouts have i said i was.

Pho was stating that erotica and pornography are the same, i was pointng out that it wasnt., but i was in no way saying im offended by it.

Fire
Id din't mean you lil, sorry I meant XF

lil bitchiness
thumb up ok..sorry embarrasment

Fire
np, didnt make it very clear

Xena fan
I havent done nothing wrong Fire. Im just postin my thoughts.

smile

JKozzy
..and so were we. no expression

burlyman
Rules my dear, rules, those very same rules which you seem to be such a judge on.

silver_tears
if you were smart you would know it's called having sex, not doing yes
I don't see it as garbage, so do us all a favour and stop talking for all of us yes

Barf Heaven
Burly has a good point. You are the one who is keeping this stupid argument going. If I were you, I'd drop it right now, since you are never going to get the truth about nude art through our thick skulls. no no no

Xena fan
I call it as i see it fit! Of course you dont see it as garbage, who knows what kind of morals you must have.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

VENOMfan
XF please let this go you have your own nude free art thread, why prolong this?

Im being civil, all this moral stuff will NOT change someone's opinoin. if you find this "disgusting" then keep it too yourself, it's easy just dont post there

Barf Heaven
XF---> if you look closely, you will find that everybody here except for you is an immoral scank, as you might put it. So like I already said, quit trying to pound it through our thick skulls. roll eyes (sarcastic)

JKozzy
Please leave now, Xena fan. You have no friends. Can I state it any plainer?

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