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ok this might be a crappy thread but i had to hear what you thought. What if in the near future DC and Marvel drop their feud and join as one comic book industry call MC (shitty name i know)

This is from our discussion yesterday in another thread.

yea i decided to make the thread.

Good idea. I was going to do it but I forgot lol

lucky i knew you were gonna do it so i decided to do it quickly.

You should make threads more often like I do.

nah i cant think of anything.

ok film we should get off topic and on topic. now if marvel and dc joined i bet the avengers would fuse into one group called Avengers of America

and their would be a lot of bad guys and good guys from this merger.

How about the X-Men and JLA together instead.

ok X-League or maybe Justice men(too sexist)

how about avengers,x-men,jla together-X-Avengers of America=X-AA

How about this

JXA

Justice
X
Avengers

ok fair cool name.

Who would the Fantastic Four join with?

they would join with JXA

just kidding. they would join jsa

Itd be a disaster. Only a few DC characters should go to Marvel. Such as: Lobo, Bane, Doomsday, Batman, Nightwing, Greenlantern, etc.

yo dont know what you talknig about.

There have been enough crossovers between the two to convince me that it would be a bad idea. Anyone remeber when they did JLA/Avengers or the DC/Marvel or Superman/Silver Surfer, Superman/Spiderman... they were all terrible. The only one that seems to make the crossover well is Batman that is why he has more crossovers than the reast... Batman/Spider-Man (Twice), Batman/Daredevil, Batman/Punisher....

If you get a chance you should read the JLA/Avengers story. Altho the story is not all that good, it does show the fundamental differences between DC and Marvel universe (in relation to earth anyway). DC earth is generally a rosier version of the Marvel earth, where there is more tolorance, the heroes are appreciated and loved almost all the time, and where the future looks bright.... Now Marvel, every time we see the future it is ****ed up.

I loved the JLA/Avengers corssover. Mainly coz big George was doing the art, but the story wasnt to bad, and the final issue! Wow i was realy impressed with all the battles, the art and the amount of heroes and their diff versions they got in there, loved it.

As for DC and Marvel joining together.... No lol. I wouldnt mind if Marvel bought some of there main characters coz they were going bankrupt. But no way would i like Marvel and DC to join.

How do you say... Amalgam

i know right? they had amalgams. only a few were good other than that they sucked.

the good ones were
Hyena (Lobo, Sabretooth, and the Joker)
Speed Demon (Ghost Rider, Flash, and Etrigan)
Dr. Strangefate (Fate, Prof. X, and Dr. Strange)
Dr. Doomsday (Dr. Doom and Doomsday)
Thanoseid (Thanos and Darkseid)
Iron Lantern (Green Lantern and Iron Man)
Bizzarnage (Bizzarro and Carnage)
Piotyr (Colossus and Bane)
Sinistron (Sinistro and Onslaught)
and Ra's A Pocalypse (Ra's Al Ghul and Apocalypse)

those are the only good Amalgams

wow so it looks like "no" is what ppl think.

I dont really know at all !!! (*)

well the fact that amalgam sucked over all is undeniable proof that a merger would be disastrous. there are fundamental differences in each respective universe. i.e DC is more spiritual, magical, and religious while Marvel is more scientific.

in DC there is definatley a god, referred to as the presence. there are angels, machinatoins of god like spectre,strange visitor, and it is made clear that "god" is the creator of the universe.

while in marvel you have an insurmountable number of abstract cosmic entities who do their own thing and doesnt answer to anybody. there all listed as being as old as the universe itself and they were all reborn after the big bang blah blah blah

in fact, the only cosmic being that seems to answer to someone is LT. his master is seemingly TOAA, even then it isnt made clear whether this is "god" or not, but we just assume it is.

its little things like these that throws a wrench in everything. if they were to join up permanently they would have to revamp the entire continuum, and if they're gonna do that they may as well create a new company and start from scratch.

besides, since all the charcters are so famous and everyone already has favorites in each universe, it would be a constant battle to see which title or character should be the flagship for the company and a lot of writers would just get frustrated and walk away

Have any of you read the Just Imagine run of comics where Stan Lee took some of DC's characters and recreated them according to his vision. It was fun to see what he did to the heroes (this was not some minor changes he made, you would not recognise the characters or story).

Batman is a black, bold guy with a mustach who has been convicted of armed robery, Superman is an alien who ended up on earth tring to stop a prisoner in his home planet after he kills his wife and stole a ship that travels through time/space, Green Lantern is a guy who is chosen to possesse a mistical/magical power (no ring or lantern anywhere to be seen), Shazam is a huge red demon like creature with huge wings (sometimes anyway) and he also re-made wonder woman but I did not read that....

If for some reason Marvel bought out DC or DC bought out Marvel they don't have to merge the universes... do they?

I don't think they'd have to merge universes. Marvel certainly has enough universes going on by themselves. 616, Knights (although this is more of just a continuity clash) the Max-verse, Ultimate continuity.

I read on Newsarama awhile ago that the heirs of the creators of Superman are trying to get the copywrite back, and everything looks good for them. DC will keep the trademark (the logo and name) but the copywrite owners will get Clark Kent, Metropolis, the costume and everything that makes up superman. They could shop this back to DC or sell it to Marvel or whatnot. As Marvel prospers, and DC enters a state of entropy and gets raped by WB, I can see them maybe dipping into the red ink and within a decade or so (if the Superman creators sell to Marvel) some DC characters will be bought up by Marvel. I wouldn't mind seeing a few of DC's characters end up being retconed into Marvel if it happens, and depending on the amount of characters that Marvel could procur, that might have to be the case. If Marvel gets Supes, but not Lex Luthor or Doomsday, then why give him his own universe if they'd just have to make up new people to populate it?

How will they put them into the Marvel universe.... There is too much history conserning the big heroes... The only way I can see it happening is if they put them in the Ultimate universe since it is still pretty new and they can introduce them to the universe without being left too far behind by the other characters. Also since all the other chars are getting a revamp it wont seem so bad revamping the DC characters either...

They could do some massive Alias Jessica Jones retcons. They've been there all along, we just haven't been paying good enough attention.

No way. I go to Marvel for fun fighting, some thought, and Cosmics. I go to DC for thought provoking revolutionary comics.

I go to Marvel for...everything. I'm a fairly biased Marvel fanboy. I like DC stuff too, but more of a Marvel fan.

If Marvel and DC joined together, it's be worst than the WWE. I've always loved the cross overs, but i think that's how it should always stay.

who cares. as long as the stories are good.

Marvel, DC Comic merge

This is what I would like to see happen if Marvel and Detective Comics were ever to merge.

The DC logo would not change, it would be called Marvel Detective Comics, (MDC)

I would like to see Disney acquire both DC and Marvel Comics.
Besides they are getting into the graphic novel business anyways.
And Stan Lee is now working for Disney.

DC might loose the sole right to Super Man, which means Marvel could possible get the Superman character and lets face it DC comics is nothing without Superman.

This is one of the reasons why I think Disney should acquire both Companies.
Besides they have been doing animation for years. Think of the movies and animations they could come up with.

They could open up a theme park in Disneyland and Disneyworld dedicated to MDC Super heroes.
Think of the rides they could have, wonder woman’s see thru plane. (Ferris wheel.)
Flash’s roller coaster ride.

A ride like Pirates of the Caribbean but it would be a called Super Heroes of Marvel Detective Comics (MDC) complete with Anatomic Super Heroes moving around.

Disney could also have a Super Hero wax museum.

One of the rides could be visiting the JLA’s moon base. Another ride could be visiting Headquarters of the Avengers at the Tony Stark’s mansion or maybe the Batman’s Cave.
Could you imagine visiting the JLA Watchtower and walking thru the Trophy Room?

They could also open up stores that sell MDC Superhero trinkets and figurines.

They could also open up a channel on cable TV dedicated solely to MDC Superhero movies and animations. They could call the channel the MDC channel.

I would “not” like to see the Avengers and the JLA merge. I think this would be a mistake.
But there would be realignment of characters in both organizations.

The JLA would be an exclusively American organization and a branch of CADMUS.
They would be Nationalistic in character. The protection of American liberties, freedoms and her sovereignty at any cost. Their leader would be a strong black woman, something like a cross between Condoleezza Rice and Amanda Waller in Justice League Unlimited.

Its members would be Americans
Captain America
Batman
Ironman
Flash
Fantastic Four
Spiderman
Hulk
Dare Devil
Plus others

The Avengers would be an International organization dedicated to the betterment and protection of all mankind. They would be a branch of SHIELD who’s leader would be Nick Fury.

Its members would be International in character.

Superman
The Martian Man hunter
Sentry
Quick Silver
Green Lantern
Wonder Woman
Black Panther
Plus others.

These two organizations would mostly work together to fight criminals and common enemies. But occasionally when American sovereignty is in question they go to battle with each other.

This how I would start the story of the merger.

It is 70 or so years in the future.
All the well-known DC and Marvel Super heroes are now old. Except for the immortals, like Thor, Hercules, the Martian Man hunter and wonder woman who are still strong and youthful. Wonder woman now wears a mini skirt as part of her costume, like the one in she wore in The New Frontier. Hercules has a new costume He now carries a magical club like the one hawk girl had in Justice league Unlimited. In Greek mythology Hercules had a club and wore a lion skin. So this Hercules is wearing a costume that resembles Kraven the Hunter the vest and lion hair is the same. But he is wearing typical Greek war skirt; he still has the headband that covers his ears. Thor’s weight is 350 lbs but other than that he looks the same. Superman, Clark Kent is still strong, but he now looks old and tired. Batman, Bruce Wayne is in a wheel chair, his butler is now a robot, and Captain America, Steve Rogers is limping with a cane.
Iron Man, Tony Stark also has a robot butler and shop helper. You get the picture.

Darkseid has conquered the Skrull world and has made their royalty part of his imperial court and has taken a Skrull princess as a wife.

Him and his dominions have invaded the earth and subdued more than 3/4ths of the earth.
He has offered eternal life to any supper villain who will summit to him.
All the super villains in the DC and Marvel world have taken up his offer.
His imperial court is now full of super villains as well as Skrull royalty.

The leaders of CADMUS and SHEILD are having a meeting they have invited 20 mortal Super Heroes from the DC world and 20 mortal Superheroes from the Marvel world.
Two Angels from the creator of everything are there.
The angels Michael and Gabriel have been sent to earth to stop Darkseid from conquering the earth.
Because these 40 mortal Super Heroes have proven themselves to true Heroes of mankind.
These angels have been instructed to give each one some gifts.

Kind of reminds me of the 40 tunics, robes that Samson in the Bible toke from the Philistines to pay a debt.
Also reminds me of the 40 mighty heroes that followed King David in the Bible to establish his kingdom.

The first gift is the gift of life. The life that was before the flood. Michael steps forward and brings 40 vials. Each vile will extend the life of these 40 super heroes.
It will give these 40 the life span of those before the flood who lived to be over 900 years
This formula will also give these 40 the ability for their bodies to heal 10 times faster than a normal person. This formula will also make a person 10 times stronger than a normal person. These vials also give the forty the ability to change or use their power at will.
The Thing is 8’ tall and weighs close to 800 lbs when he becomes the Thing.
Ben Grimm can turn into the Thing at will just like the Hulk can.

Now Gabriel steps forward he has 40 costumes. These costumes are indestructible.
They are made of a material that cannot be destroyed or penetrated. When worn a person can walk on the surface of the sun and not be burnt. It keeps the person wearing them at body temperature. These suites also have the ability make the wearer invisible at the wearers will. Once these costumes have been accepted they cannot be changed or upgraded. So Captain American or Batman will not be able to change or upgrade their costumes.

Darkseid is defeated and expelled from the earth.
He takes the super villains with him,
The super villains now have a home base to plan their crimes and a place to hide. They will have the power to enter Apokolips and earth whenever they want too. The only stipulation is when these Super villains are in Darkseid’s world they do not age. But when they leave Apokolips they start to age.

I would like to see a romance between Batman and wonder woman.
I would like to see a romance between The Martian Man hunter and she-hulk

I think it would be bad idea to merge the
Avengers with the Justice League of America and calling it the
Justices League Avengers.
The temptation for the writers to start killing off some of the
characters would be too great.
One thing Marvel and DC could do is to write up a contract forbidding
the creation of new characters for 10 years. This would force the
writers to utilize all the characters in the Marvel and DC library.
It seems to me if they starting killing characters off they would not have
the characters they would need for a good story line. This would also
hopefully force the writers to integrate the marvel and DC characters more
fully.

END

You bump a four-year old thread, that's also in the wrong forum?

Marvel Detective Comics? That name sucks.

Batman and Wolverine fight with a series of harmless grapples and throws in Disneyland, each commenting on the good food and exciting rides.

Stan Lee is now working for Disney.

Superman copyright case - court ruling against Time Warner

writer Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster
Superman will go wherever both families want him to go, and apparently both families are unhappy enough with Time Warner to bring a legal claim. So it could even go to Marvel.

In the mid-1970s, Marvel was affected by a decline of the newsstand distribution network. Sales remained high for large sellers, but cult hits such as Howard the Duck were the victims of the distribution problems, with some titles reporting low sales when in fact they were being resold at a later date in the first specialty comic book stores. An attempt by Marvel to buy DC was frustrated by their refusal to sell their entire library of characters (DC wanted to retain control of Superman and Batman, and the company was sold to Warner instead).

I am thinking if Marvel gets the rights to Superman.
A Marvel/DC merger will soon follow.
This would give Marvel a bargaining chip to get a deal they have been wanting for along time.

A MDC fan

Bad idea.

There would be a major consolidation of heroes and villains; whatever "akin" characters the companies have added over the years would have to go.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
There would be a major consolidation of heroes and villains; whatever "akin" characters the companies have added over the years would have to go.

Sure would like to know why you think a Marvel DC merger would result in the elimination of similar superhero characters.
Once a character is created it goes in the Marvel or DC library to be used whenever a writer or storyteller decides to use it again.

The only way in my opinion similar superhero characters would not be used as much is if a merger would result in half the writers and editors are layed off.

So what you are really saying is if Marvel and DC merged it would result in a lay off of writers and editors because the number of comics being made, drawn, written and sold would be cut in half.

Because when it comes down to it. It is about personalities not superheroes who have similar powers.

I do not think in my opinion that the number of graphic novels or comic books being written would drop if there were a merger, if anything I think it would result in more writers and editors being hired.

Originally posted by JestersJoker
Sure would like to know why you think a Marvel DC merger would result in the elimination of similar superhero characters.
Once a character is created it goes in the Marvel or DC library to be used whenever a writer or storyteller decides to use it again.

The only way in my opinion similar superhero characters would not be used as much is if a merger would result in half the writers and editors are layed off.

So what you are really saying is if Marvel and DC merged it would result in a lay off of writers and editors because the number of comics being made, drawn, written and sold would be cut in half.

Because when it comes down to it. It is about personalities not superheroes who have similar powers.

I do not think in my opinion that the number of graphic novels or comic books being written would drop if there were a merger, if anything I think it would result in more writers and editors being hired. Because the merged companies wouldn't be able to carry as many names or as many legacies; its as simple as that. You can't have Sentry running around and being called the "most powerful" when Superman is in the same city as him. That just can't happen.

I respectfully disagree,

If Time Warner acquired Marvel comics or if DC went bankrupt and Time Warner sold it to Marvel it would be because the respective buyers would like to capitalize on the acquisition to make money not to put similar superheroes into their library shelf, just to occasionally resurrect them for a story line or to eliminate the competition.
So I would see an increase in writers, artist, editors, and storytellers.
I would also see an increase in the number of monthly publications
You could also see a drop in the cost of monthly publications, mostly because of access to the internet.

Besides there is more than the city Metropolis.
There is Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, Detroit, etc.
I am sure Sentry would be happy to reside in any of these cities.

Originally posted by JestersJoker
I respectfully disagree,

If Time Warner acquired Marvel comics or if DC went bankrupt and Time Warner sold it to Marvel it would be because the respective buyers would like to capitalize on the acquisition to make money not to put similar superheroes into their library shelf, just to occasionally resurrect them for a story line or to eliminate the competition.
So I would see an increase in writers, artist, editors, and storytellers.
I would also see an increase in the number of monthly publications
You could also see a drop in the cost of monthly publications, mostly because of access to the internet. Originally posted by JestersJoker
Besides there is more than the city Metropolis.
There is Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, Detroit, etc.
I am sure Sentry would be happy to reside in any of these cities.

I'm sorry, but you are completely missing my point. You're looking at it from a real world, business perspective, not a perspective from within the comic universe.

IE: Demons, gods, angels, etc, who usually have the same title and name between the two universes, but a completely different history and back story can't possibly coexist. One of them would have to go.

Edit: my point, not the point.

I was thinking this would be an awesome idea. but has it been done before.

A marvel/dc cross over, but pretty much all it is , is green lantern corp recruit a marvel universe hero to be a gl. make it like a mini series.

If Marvel is running the show, we get some cool stories out of it. If DC runs it, we get an endless Supes & Batman wankfest.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
not a perspective from within the comic universe.

IE: Demons, gods, angels, etc, who usually have the same title and name between the two universes, but a completely different history and back story can't possibly coexist. One of them would have to go.



Merging characters from both Marvel and DC universes would not be a hard task.

In the Marvel world Hercules seduces the Amazon Queen Hippolyte
In the DC world Hercules rapes Queen Hippolyte

But in Greek and Roman mythology this is what happened
Labor Nine: Hippolyte's Belt
The ninth Labor took Heracles to the land of the Amazons, to retrieve the belt of their queen for Eurystheus' daughter. The Amazons were a race of warrior women, great archers who had invented the art of fighting from horseback. Heracles recruited a number of heroes to accompany him on this expedition, among them Theseus. As it turned out, the Amazon queen, Hippolyte, willingly gave Hercules her belt, but Hera was not about to let the hero get off so easily. The goddess stirred up the Amazons with a rumor that the Greeks had captured their queen, and a great battle ensued. Heracles made off with the belt, and Theseus kidnapped an Amazon princess.
So it is possible to think that if Queen Hippolyte survived the battle Wonder Woman would be Hercules’s daughter

So coming up with a good story to merge the two Hercules would not be a hard task. And merging his costume would be an improvement from Marvels costume.

Merging the two Captain Marvels would not be a hard task either. Writing a story where the Wizard Shazam gets a hold of Mar-Vell’s Nega-Bands and gives them to a grown up Billy Batson would not be hard. All you would have to do is add the DC’s Captain Marvel’s cape, boots and belt to the Marvels costume and the two are merged. Besides Captain Marvel died of cancer so the Kree warrior is already deceased. And I don’t think Rick Jones would mind if Billy Batson combined his powers with the already deceased Kree, Mar-Vell.
And the same thing could be done with all the other Demons, gods, angels, etc. The writers would have a field day merging some the characters in both universes, having said it should be a choice of last resort. In other words it would be better to merge characters and come up with a story that can accomplish that instead of killing them off.

Why can't I post pictures, this is driving me nuts

So what are you saying, that If Time Warner acquired Marvel Comics.
Time Warner would have to keep DC & Marvel Comics separate entities?
Or if Marvel bought DC Comics, Marvel Enterprise would have to keep
its Marvel Comics a different division from its DC Comic division.
There by inducing competition within the Parent Company.

I just do that think this is an antitrust issue.
Unless Time Warner or Marvel wants to buy up all the Comic book,
graphic novel industries and actively prevent any start ups, and that
is just not going to happen

I do not even think legally that Marvel and DC are competitors
To be competitors both companies would have to the same characters
Like Marvel’s superman vs. DC’s Superman
Marvel Iron Man vs. DC’s Iron Man.
Marvel’s Captain Marvel vs. DC’s Captain Marvel or
Marvel’s Wonder Woman vs. DC’s Wonder Woman, etc.
And so forth and so forth.

Some would argue that DC has an equal and equivalent superhero for
every Marvel superhero, but I would have to disagree with that.
Every character in the DC and Marvel world is unique, their powers may
be similar or the same but not their personalities or costumes. That’s
why people like to read the DC, Marvel crossovers.
It is my opinion to make this an antitrust violation both DC and
Marvel would have to have the same named characters to be considered competitors.

But to do that the companies would be violating copyrite laws.
No, I could be wrong but I just do not think a DC/Marvel merger would
violate antitrust laws.

This politically correct fairness doctrine that has permeated this
country is going to destroy it. If a company fails it just fails.
Propping and subsidizing failed corporations with the idea it is
failing only because the competition will not let it succeed is crazy,
this will take us all down. I believe in fair competition, but not
propping up and subsidizing failed organizations.

If people stop buying DC Comics will Marvel have to divide itself into
two or three different companies and divide up its characters so there
can be fair competition in the comic book industry? Does not make
sense, but than a lot of things do not make sense to me.