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Is it cool to have gay people in comics?
As a hetrosexual, i think that the two coolest characters in comics are midnighter and apollo from the authority.

Yes it is cool.

Why shouldn't we have gay characters? It's only right that they should be included.

I mean if you're gonna have sexual relations in comics between males and females, then if it's story relevant or character relevant, I see no reason why not to include homosexuality at all.

-AC

It's cool. In fact, my favorite Vertigo miniseries (Enigma) has a homosexual relationship between two of the protagonists.

I think they should. It's just a part of 21st century life. Some people are heterosexual, some people are homosexual. As long as they mirror race problems and religious overtones in comics, they should also mirror the latest happenings concerning sexual orientations. As long as they do it smartly, and don't just have a "token gay character", like Northstar was for awhile. Despite my qualms with Austen, I thought he handled Northstar well, he did touch upon and use his homosexuality as part of his character, but I don't think he did it distastefully, and him being gay wasn't the only facet of the character that Austen used. He had a crush on Iceman for awhile, and that worked, because it wasn't extensive, when Northstar figured he didn't have a chance, he let it drop, and it just played into the larger Soap Operatics of his run. At the end of the day, Northstar was an X-Man, not some gay guy they kept around. He would kick your ass and do whatever he needed to do to win and help the team, like any team member.

i disagree.

With what? Gay people in comics? Or Austen handling Northstar? I agree it could have been much better, but it was better than anything the character had seen in the last decade and a half.

with gay people in comics.

Why? I don't want to buy an issue of, oh Avengers and have it full of some new character's gay love problems, but neither do I want to buy an issue and have it full of Hank and Jan going through their old "I love you lets get married" "I love you but no, lets just enjoy each other" "Okay, lets run off to one of our mansion retreats" "I love you" moves.

Gay people are just people who look at different porn. Why can't they save the world too?

i still dont agree with it, but im not getting into it.

You dont agree with it coz of ur religion?

Its a responsible thing to do- including gay charactors. Because there must be young gay people reading comics, and it must be very heartening to them to be reflected in a charactor. Its not as if the sexuality has to be overt.

Yeah, I understand people have religious beliefs that go against it and I respect that. I think active discriminations is wrong, and perhaps a passive "who gives a shit" attitude is not that much better, but if your good holy book states don't get involved, and that's what you follow then, it is the lesser of two evils. In my opinion. All that shit about love your brother and your neighbor and all those peopel can only go so far in a modern setting anyways.

i dont have a problem with gay charcters, i know this cliche has been beaten to death but i wanna see lesbians. cuz the fact that they're gonna be superheroes, they'll be fit and trim and good looking in thier form fitting uniforms. however, if they dare put oone of these fat, out of shape, middle aged b*tches, with mullets in a comic I WILL PROTEST p. pickets signs and every damn thing!

No one complained when Psylocke and Cyclops had sex in the comic. Although I don't think you actually see it, you see her on top of him under the covers naked. If that's ok (story and character) relevant, which it was, then why can't there be gay people in comics? I'm not gonna go out of my way to have them put in, but if they are I'm not gonna go mad about it coz it's a way of life for some people.

"they'll be fit and trim and good looking in thier form fitting uniforms. however, if they dare put oone of these fat, out of shape, middle aged b*tches, with mullets in a comic I WILL PROTEST p. pickets signs and every damn thing!"

The thing is, they actually hinted to it with Mary Jane and Black Cat loads and loads of times. I think if they had to choose male or female homosexuality to be in comics it'd be the latter, purely coz there's more male readers and lesbians aren't looked upon with as much horror as gay men are.

-AC

Aah... the easy solution. Criticizing stuff without explaining why.

Spoken like a true man (ahem), and not like some soft gay dude .

Before tackling the gay issue, comics should probably try to increase ethnic ratio's. How many blond haired blue eyed Avengers are there? We need some more of basically every ethnicity. Latino, Indians (both Sitting Bull and Ghandi variety), asian, black, aboriginee, etc.

i dont have problems with gay characters in comics at all. I don't want to see them having sex though. And don't go saying that "thats not fair" just hear me out. Cuz i dont really like seing straight chatacters have sex in a comic either. It kind of ruins the feel for some characters. Take peter parker for example. I always though of him to be one moral and wait for marriage or whatever. now, come to find out, he has 2 kids from Gwen....

back on the main issue, like i said, i dont mind there being gay characters, IF they were intended to be gay. I do HATE it however, when an author takes somebody else's character and makes him gay, just for the hell of it. Like in ultimate x-men. I've always been a fan of collossus in regular x-men. Now, in the ultimate verision, they made him gay. Why? Because it adds diversity. No, it just completely alters and distorts a character to the point that i dont even like him anymore, because he is SO off from the original

Fair point about Colossus, but that's more to do with far-fetched alteration than the gay issue per se.

I disagree. Not because I don't think it would be a good idea to increase ethnic ratios, but because--proportionate or not--there are already a number of well-known black (Black Lightning, Black Panther, Storm, Cloak, Blade), Asian (Katana, Dr. Light), etc comic book characters, compared to basically one well-known gay comic book character (Northstar). That's a pretty lousy ratio.

There's nothing wrong with gay characters.

In fact, they are a very clean people, and they've been that way ever since coming over to this country from France.

i see you've been watching family guy... i've been using that quote a lot lately for some reason, lol...

I'm glad someone recognised the joke, I forgot to add an anti-flame disclaimer lol

It is easy to say that it is ok to have gay characters in comics but it is pointless to have that unless that person has some kind of relationship somewhere down the line and I don't think that the public is ready yet to have two guys or girls kissing in a comic book.

There are just too many conservative parents who would give the comic publishers problems when they find out that thier children are reading a comic in which two "Gay guys" are having a relationship (I don't know why). Anyway that is my two cents...

Hmm, I guess you are right.

I think when the people that have power in this day and age, i.e. the old guys in suits, die and make way for "us", then I guess we'll see homosexuality accepted at long last.

The same people who persecuted black people are still alive today, spreading their filth into todays youth.

Only time is going to ween out prejudice.

Look at video games, comic books, anything relatively "new" is also controversial. When something isn't new, it becomes accepted.

Our society, doesn't want to change. Change comes reluctantly, it's in our DNA. We are slow learners, and there are always the infinitely stupid no matter where you go.

I wish George Bush would do one good thing for the world, and blow this depressing world all the way to hell

/end darkness.

no its not like that, i just think its wrong and disgusting.

Mane: People like you are scum of the earth. If it were up to me, you would all be shot.

Gays and lesbians are people, no different to anyone else. They deserve equal treatment in every way and that DEFINATELY includes being in comics.

Oh? I feel much the same way about homophobia.

Gregory: Well said.

ult collosus is gay? he got mad when northstar hit on him in the hospital room.?!? eh ya learn somthin every day

i am a person. ive done nothing wrong. i havent bashed gays or lesbians, i havent lashed out at anyone, i havent insulted anyone, i merely stated my views in an unoffensive way and yet you insult me? this insult coming from the same person who says all people deserve equal treatment and yet you patronize and bash me in the same post? interesting. you might say "well your not like other people you the scum of the earth blah blah blah", BUT again what did i do to merit such insults? state my views? you stated your views, and i never insulted you.

and whoever said i was a homophobe? im not homophobic.

You said (or very strongly implied) you were homophobic when you declaired homosexuality to be "wrong and disgusting."

nonono you assumed i was homophobic from the statement. homophobic means you have a fear of homosexuals. i dont. i think its wrong, but if i met one i wouldnt alienate or patronize them.

it would seem that way wouldnt it...

I'm the scum of the earth.... thats what the God says anyway (somewhere in romans, i think...)

but that's the beside the point. Like I said before, i could personally care less if gays are in there, doesnt really bother me, though i still dont want to see homo's or hetero's having sex, i'd rather see it just be implied. I mean, most of us (hopefully) aren't idiots, and should be able to pick up on sexual undertones without having to have it shoved in our faces.

As I said earlier, gays can be in there, as long as it fits their character. Transforming one of my favorite x-men, collossus, into a gay mutant.... that was just wrong...

Yes, I don't like to see kissing in comics. Ban the kissing, not the homosexuals. Certainly there are many other ways to have charactors demonstrate affection. Not to mention, a one-panel portrayal of a kiss isn't going to effectively show the passion of kissing; its so much in the movement.
Mane, you are most likely homophobic. Its probable your visceral disgust is based on an animalistic fear. You percieve that homosexual behavior is threatening. Consciously, you rationalize your fear as disgust, perhaps even telling yourself that this is about hygeine. You aren't scum of the earth, though. Everybody has hang-ups. I'm glad to hear that you still treat homosexuals no differently than hets.

no. i do and would not "fear" them unless they have or had done something to warrant it.

ahhh... not to insult you or anything but you do realise that kissing in comics has been there since way back before most of us were born. I think you would have to get rid of the scantaly and provacative costumes that most female characters wear before you get rid of the kissing. I agree that there is no need to depict sex but I don't mind scene where a couple are talking in bed as long as it is done tastfully (like the scene in Ultimate X-Men when wolverine confessed to Jene that he was really sent there to kill the professor - Talk about wrong timing).

Homosexuality, sex, pillow talk, kissing and revealing spandex costumes are all a part of normal life. I don't mind seeing it in comics, but there is a point when, like in any media, they flaunt it and it becomes too much. It hasn't happened yet and I hope it doesn't.

Mane it seems like your Enemy #1 in this thread

just remember to state your point of view respectfully and not being offensive

I think its probably difficult for them to that with a topic like this

then it'll get closed

Oh well too bad for them.

I think it's fine to have gay people in comics. however, it is wrong to have them in comics if you only relegate them to the stereotypical affeminate swish or serial killer roles which are prevelant in a lot of popular movies.
so it's ok to include them as long as you don't portray them in a hurtful and negative way. as for the quintessential homophobic fanboys, think walter and steve-dave from the view askewnaverse.

Woah wait a minute they turned Colossus gay in Ult X-Men? Now that's wrong.

I'm not being funny, but making Colossus gay seems very "hollywood" and screams of being PC for the sake of being PC.

Have gay characters, have major gay characters, who are taken seriously, but don't make existing characters gay for the sake of being politcially correct. You have to draw the line somewhere.

You know Flash has been wanting to talk privately to Peter for a while now in Ultimate Spider-Man. He will be having his talk at long last in two issues time, and maybe he might just confess to Parker that he is gay and has a crush on Peter (that might explain why he is always picking on him). What do you think?

I have nothing against gay characters. It is realistic, I mean, there has to be gay superheroes in modern world, gay people get etc. mutant powers too.

Isn't Karma lesbian?

Why do people feel it's necessary to completely miss the point?

-AC

I notice some kind of "double moral" around here (but not only here, also in real life) :

Some comic fans adore Carnage, Magneto, Venom, Thanos, Joker... all murderers or mass murderers. People - if you can call 'em that - who don't mind killing your whole family, your friends and even your pet just to prove a point, or because they got bored.

But that's cool, that's okay, ha ha, look at Carnage ripping up these people, ain't that funny.

But, when talking about homosexual people in comics, the laughing stops. A guy who falls in love with another dude, well, that just can't, can it ? Suddenly, we have to draw the line somewhere. Killing tons of innocents people, well, that's all fine, but having erotic feelings about the same sex, we can't allow that oh no...

There's a word for this kind of logic : hypocrite .

i say that attractive lesbians havent been getting a fair shake in comics.........and thats a damn shame.

I winder whatever happened to that one mutant in New Xmen who was like, a whore or something, and she could get guys horny by emittiing pheromones, and she tried to seduce Angel, and left him a porno when she left.........now thats the type of characters who we should see more.

Stacy X was the mutant **** you're talking about. There was another one who seduced Iceman, but she was married and just being slutty. And her husband came, and Iceman beat him up and left. I think.

Marlo Jones and Moondragon got their hot lesbian freak on in Captain Marvel for awhile. Although Moondragon is bald, and bald chicks are kind of freaky. Damn Shinead O'Conner.

I think those who don't like gays don't because people like us and that threatens you. I have people come up to me that want to be my friend because i don't hide behind my sexuality.
I have older adult friends, peers and young kids. We share our sexual desires openly and they feel safe and comfortable doing so.
No one wants the comics to turn to porn, that would suck. I think however a little less stringent behavior between Northstar and say Beast would be nice.
By the way, i think you are all gay. One look at you and you can see that you need to see yourself, you have "coin eyes" and i find that disquesting.

the hell are you talking about? People are screaming for gays to be in comics "equally" and i'm all for that? But to say that they can ONLY be in roles that makes them appear to be great people? How fair is that? What you are asking for is a double-edge. You want gays to be included, but make sure they are all nice and always do the right thing???? No way, if gays are in, there needs to be variety, just like straights, both bad and good...

Prophet it seems like your Dickhead #1 in the thread glare

Well I dont wanna see any heros to made gay

Dude your stupid. Saying that he deserves to be shot is offensive and wrong. Homosexuals really just dont have a place in comics the only reason they would be put in comics anyways is for political correctness. Nobody wants to see peter parker making out of harry osborn.

characters' sexual preferences don't make them better or worst....

I think that sales would definetly drop if a comic character became gay

sad but true

Well I think that they most defiently shouldnt change a character that has already been a certain way. If they wanted to have a gay hero they should make a new character.

what i'm saying is that if you look at hollywood movies, gays are either incredibly effeminate and serve the role of comic relief or are sick, unsympathetic villians for the most part. it's ok to have variety just as long as it's not a stupid stereotype that's played over and over again.

as for the whole collossus thing, well, the ultimate books have characterization problems in general and are just wrong to me. everybody seems like a hammed up poochie. I half expect wolverine to pop out of the sewer with a pizza yelling "cowabunga dudes!".

In the end, it's a frickin' funny book. if you're so offended or overtly interested in who's porking who, go buy and archie book and check out the tension between archie, jughead, and mr. wetherbe.

i dont think that it matters if a character is a homo or not

yeah because youre homo...i can understand that

sigh...
I can here Walt now "tell em, Steve-Dave!"

"yeah because youre homo...i can understand that"

By that rationale all of us who think it's not a problem are homosexuals. 'Tis not true I'm afraid.

-AC

The great thing about having homosexual characters in comics is that fans who freak out at the idea of homosexuality have it jammed in there faces:

Ultimate X-men is a case in point, its a good X book and the fans who cant deal with colossus have to face up to the fact that the people they admire who make the damn book think its fine.

i think it is fine ult colossus is gay but i didnt know he was. what is the big deal with gay characters there is a large amount of gay people in society today. hell your best friend or maybe even your young enough not to know. there isnt a porblem in my mind some people say its gross, well its comics they dont show anything ya know. gays are people too and should be treated as such in comics and reality.

Oh well, you know how it is : whatever you don't know, you fear. And whatever you fear, you hate.

Homosexuality has a place in any medium that's trying to mirror the real world. Homosexuality occurs in every genre from novels to movies to Broadway musicals; I'm glad that it's finally being recognized by the comic industry. This has nothing to do with political correctness; Hellblazer and Preacher both have homosexuality in parts of their stories, and if you think the authors of those stories are worried about political correctness, you've never read either series.

'I don't think that the public is ready yet to have girls kissing in a comic book.'

Er, don't speak for me on that one.

snakehead, be fair. NO ONE wants to see Harry Osborne kiss Anyone. what the hell is with that guy's hair anyway?

i dont care what others do in tes private life

"snakehead, be fair. NO ONE wants to see Harry Osborne kiss Anyone. what the hell is with that guy's hair anyway?"

I'm sure somewhere there are some girls that do. Bit of a generalisation there.

I wouldn't care if he did or not. Doesn't bother me if it's story and character relevant. Now if it were Psylocke and Black Cat........I would likely buy the comic.

-AC

wait a sec? colossus us gay in ult. x=men for real? i thought PPl just said that in this thread. if so what issue. is that b4 or after he left and went back to Russia to work in a steel mill

They keep dropping hints about Colossus being gay, but never giving any concrete evidence about it. He acted outraged when Northstar came onto him. Although that could be just a cover and he's not ready to come out of the closet or whatever. I don't care if he is or not, he's still Colossus, woop de doo if he'd rather go out on a date with Northstar than Storm. He's still an ass-kicking tractor loving communist powerhouse.

'is that b4 or after he left and went back to Russia to work in a steel mill'

I think that's about all the evidence we need. I bet on lunchbreaks a disco ball drops and they all dance a la The Simpsons.

that was a joke originally from Deadpool #11

you've got to admit, norm and harry have really scary looking hair!!!!!

dude I was just trying to say that they shouldnt make a character that has been herto gay its just not right to do something like that

I don't see why not... After all they did change Fury from a white guy into a black guy (and I have to say it works really well, like him better than the old one). If they think it can work, let them make him gay, only time will tale if it will work or not (so far it doesn't look good, but hey I could be proven wrong)....

The moment they make a heto character gay Ill stop reading that comic. Changing race and sexual likes is wrong

they changed Nick Fury from white to black? oh God, thats crap!

could have been worse he could have been gay.

That is being a bit unfair.... The facts of the matter is that things change with times... when the character of Fury was created there were no black officer with the rank of Seargent or higher ( I might be wrong but I am pretty sure I am right ), so they had no choice but to make him white, but when the re-created the character in Ultimate Universe there is no reason Fury couldn't be black, and they decided to make him so. Usually I am against the remakes in any form, but in the Ultimate Universe most changes are for the better and Fury being black is one of them (in fact for some reason I tend to think of Fury as always being black and I recived a shock lately when I picked up a comic containing the original Fury and was shocked when I realised that I had forgotten that he used to be white).

Changes are enevitable, accept it....

Well, I'm sure there's someone out there who'll miss you.

And you know, it would be unrealistic. Apparently straight people never come out as gay in the real world, after all.

Dude its not the same thing! When they made Nick Fury Black they scewed up my comics and then mental image of Nick Fury. It like making Blade white!

I stand at peace noing that Punisher and wolverine will remain untouched and unaltered. And I dont know about you but Stan Lee would NEVER aprove of something that!

Mane we have finally found something we agree on!

You people know, don't you, that Northstar wasn't always "the gay x-man?" By my reckoning, he was around for thirteen years before he was outed. I suppose that if you had asked durring those thirteen years, people would have screamed that "You can't make Northstar gay! It would ruin his character!"

But I don't think he was ever really "straight" before that. He never had a girlfriend or a wife or anything. He only had a loopy sister that he was very overprotective of, and it was kind of creepy. To me it seems like his character could have gone either way, and Scott Lobdell stepped up to the plate and decided to take a big forward step and integrate another facet of society, a very tumultuous facet in fact, into comics. And he was the gay Alphan before he was the gay X-Man anyways. lol


Stan Lee has always been awesome. Most of the heroes he introduced were white, but then again look at the times, early 60's. If it wasn't a white character, it wouldn't have sold. But later on when it became accepted he never shyed away about using anyone and everyone. Christopher Priest, an african american comics writer, who started out in the 70's with an internship has said only the best things about Lee. Despite all others who would boss him around or call him boy or rub his head, he said Lee never once did any of those things and only ever treated him with respect like he did everyone else.

Isn't it ironic that Stan Lee created the whole x-men comic to depict the evils of prejudice, fear and hate and yet there are some people who read the comic and still miss the message. I don't know maybe the message has been lost in later years with it all turning more and more towards bigger and bigger fights between "Good" and "Evil" superpowered people.

That is why I love the Ultimate universe, because it is still at the beggining when the message is still prevalent.

So what if Collosus is gay, he is still Collosus..... I am more annoyed and saddened by the death of Beast than the sexual preference of Collosus.

The only reason i care one way or the other if Nick Fury is black or white is that he looks like Sam Jackson and i want to see Sam play him in an Ultimates movie.

the bad thing though, is that completely changes his character's relationship and reaction to kitty pryde. hence, it's no longer a younger, more relevant colossus, it's a completely different character. with nick fury, race doesn't necesarily change his character dynamic in relation to other characters.

Well to think that a medium like comics that we all grew up reading and gave us our first look at nobility could spawn homophobic people. i feel sorry for there children. i feel sorry for us all.