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Art of revenge of the sith brings hyperspace members a first glance at designs from the upcoming blockbuster. i took the priveledge of posting the first one.

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looks...ehhhhh.....
looks more ahead of its time then the x-wing in IV....
any body know what i meen.....

o yeh, i forgot! thank you!

well think about it the rebels could only get what they could to counter imperial attacks. so they werent going to get the best high quality weapons that the empire had. those damn smugglers, and your welcome.

Thanks! Looks great.

Looks like a mix between an X-WING AND A SNOW SPEEDER cause of the tarpoon thing in the back.

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oh hey! what do ya know! nice look

looks awesome I wonder whatplanet or ship that will be on maybe alderan at the end of the movie any thoughts on this fornow may force be with you.

THAT won't be up for long.. but thanks

looks like there is alot more room on that ship than lukes ship.... i dont like it much...jmo

Thanks, nice one!

ok, then here

http://img68.exs.cx/img68/9262/attachmentphp.jpg

thanks moonwalker
That's ship is cool
it look like this old photo :

http://www.sithclan.net/SC4/write_access/depot_images/news/episode3/arc_clonefighter.jpg

where did you get that from?

i think its supposed to be the same color scheme as the x-wing in IV

There's something about it. It seems a bit, I dunno, "too much".

I can't bring myself to like it.

Where's the simplicity and subtlety all gone?

it kinda looks like a mix of WWII SBD Dauntless fighter aircraft, and some of the prototypes towards the end of the war....

that because "attachment is forbidden" dontcha know

Did anybody ever play Shadows Of The Empire on the N64 - or read the story?

I swear that X-Wing-lite ship looks like one of Prince Xizors fleet of fighter ships. That's what it reminds me of, only they were silver.

I wanna see more angles, sharp corners, and more industrious looking markings.

I'm seriously sick to death of this contrived rubbish, with fancy curves and TOO MUCH thought being put into it. I wanna see blocky, simple, thrown together vehicles like the Y-Wings and TIE Fighters

It doesn't look Star Wars-y anymore. None of the PT vehicles or ships made me think "Star Wars". They looked Sci-Fi, Star Trek, Matrix - anything but Star Wars.

I know that it's all about the "degradation" of the Universe - but as a Star Wars fan, I wanna see these old school designs - not this contrived silliness.

Instead of trying to make new iconic ships like the X-Wings - Lucas has made every single fan LOOK FORWARD to seeing the X-Wings instead. It's like "The fans hate this new stuff so I better use some of the OT stuff". The PT was a brilliant opportunity to expand the iconic catalogue of ships and vehicles, but only served to make the X-Wings and Tie Fighters, and all the OT stuff that bit more cooler - because Lucas failed so much in trying to create the new iconic Star Wars ship - what we got was those awful Naboo Starfighters, the wimpy Jedi Fighter and those horrible Clone Dropships.

Because of this, whenever Lucas pays homage to the OT - like when he has the old 80's style Landspeeders - they look completely out of place next to the slick "new" designs.
Sorry for the rant - just a fan of simplicity.

Bang on red, i was wondering what that reminded me of, i agree mostly with what youve said but a lot of the designs coming through are moving towards the industrial look, like the new jedi starfighters and the ventor class ships and the vastness of the different races are going to throw up a lot of different designs, maybe lucas should visit more fastfood joints cause he got the idea of the falcon from a cheese burger he was eating

I got it on sithclan.net

Well thankyou smoker4, I thought I was going to get flamed to hell, but at least someone also thinks this.

I've heard people say "It's Lucas' vision" and "it's to show the decay under the Empire" - well that's no excuse to have weak ships and silly contrivances. And screw Lucas' vision - nobody's buying it, apart from the apologists.

I love Star Wars with all my heart - but I know when we've been screwed out of some ICONIC stuff.

The X-Wings had the cool shape, the Y-Wings likewise. The Star Destroyers looked ominous, and the Falcon is still the coolest ship ever concieved, they were great.

The ships of old were iconic because they were simple geometric shapes.

As you said with the Falcon, it's a disc-like shape. It's iconic.
The X-Wing explains itself, as does the Y-Wing.
The Tie's have that distinct simple shape to them, and the Star Destroyers are also big triangular shapes.

The OT's fascination for simple shapes meant that psychologically speaking they were implanted into our minds much quicker. We also saw them in more than once scene (as oppossed to several vehicles in the PT that are there for seconds).

In the PT, the shapes are ambiguous. Some ships try and redeem themselves such as the Jedi Starfighter - but it's a lost cause because all it does is make you think "It looks a bit like a Star Destroyer" - which is OK I suppose - but it doesn't make the Starfighter stand up on its own like an X-Wing does.
Instead of trying so hard to "foreshadow" vehicles from the OT - they should have just come up with simple looking original vehicles - adopting the attitude they had when making the OT.

You don't get much more "Star Wars" than Darth Mauls ship!

thanks heaps, moonwalker.....made my day.....

i'm usually as cynical about these things as everyone else.....but i think i like it....i don't think it's any more strange than the b-wings were.....maybe i'm just in a good mood or something....

That design was probably just from the Art Of book. At least, I hope it was.....

i don't know why but it doesn't bother me at all....think it looks kinda funky....prefer it to the other pic.....

my big question is - where do they originate from, who uses them, and why do the rebels end up using them as their official mode of transport?.....if they are republic ships, same as the jedi fighters/prototype tie fighters/star destroyers etc., then why do all those end up being imperial ships, and not these?.....

so i very much appreciated darktim's suggestion that they originated from alderan.....it all starts to make sense.....nice one.....

My thought is that once Palps gets control of everything he also gets all the ships that are used....and then as the rebellion comes together the rebels steal a ship here and there, and/or numbers of Imperial forces defect so to speak...

My question (and the reason why I doubt this will be used) is who would be flying these? We've seen the badly redesigned Jedi fighters, and the clones were supposed to have some sort of proto TIEs, I thought. This was probably an idea that was explored and discarded.

ken benobi, yeah, agreed on the imperial ships, but why would the rebels only steal one model of ship, and not others?.....because they match their outfits?....

darth cain, this is why i like darktim's suggestion....if they are from alderan, or a specific planet that is more friendly to the rebellion, then it makes sense.....i thought the same as you until i read that....

the redesigned jedi fighters ARE the proto tie's i think, the wings flap out, so they kind of take on the sillouette of a tie.....

Maybe, guiro72. But it seems like its been implied that the clones have their own fighters. The jedi fighters are kind of like proto TIEs but if that's all we're gonna see, I'm kind of let down. Do you like the design of the new Jedi fighters?

i'm impressed that they managed to squash those two opposing shapes together at all...."like"?, erm....they're very contrived, but intrigueing (i find it hard to stop looking at them).....i think i should have another look, but their weirdness value does something for me....

Weirdness is the right word for them. I do like the flip-up wings like Maul's ship had. Anyone else notice the resemblance of the top of the cockpit to the B-wing's design? Anyway, maybe those are the proto TIEs. Maybe the jedi lead whole squadrons of clone pilots into dogfights......

yeah, i think they do, but whether they have different ships i've no idea....just looking at them again....from the front with the flaps shut they look just like the jedi fighters in ep II, but with a bulkier cockpit (and yeah, i hadn't noticed the b-wing thing, but you're right)....from the front with the flaps open they look exactly like a tie fighter....twist it to the side and it's exactly like darth maul's ship....and from the top....i don't know what the hell that is....a half transformed transformer?....

well, I'm no expert in aerodynamics, and I know technically there would be different considerations for space travel, but I can't see what function the additional wings are for, unless to compensate for a lack of vertical stability towards the rear of the ship..? Maybe I'm being too technical...

no, that actually makes sense....

but, just between you and me,...

(whispers) it's to make them look more like tie fighters....

yeah- one of GL's biggest problems it seems is he has such short time to wrap up a saga that spans abou 45 to 50 years? It would seem better to leave some stuff alone and let the watchers make connections....

When I first finished seeing AOTC, my first thought was "d*mn, Lucas needs to do an a**load of things in Episode 3!"

At that point there were extra things I thought that were going to happen, like Boba Fett getting his vengeance and a major emphasis on the change to the Empire, but as time went by, I realized that these things will probably not happen. I think that a good portion should be left untouched, but I'm afraid that Ep.3 will not take advantage of a lot of opportunities.

agreed....however i think lucas is hitting his stride (i'm as shocked as anyone)....we know a huge chunk of this film already, but there's so much still to come that we don't know about yet....

after ep I a lot of people were convinced he had gone mad and was incapable of pulling it off, but i'm surprised how much it's all falling into place and a lot more smoothly and logically than tpm implied it was going to (anakin building c3po - what?)....(the clones and jedi working in tandem - makes perfect sense, and a shock twist at the same time - and the way the jedi are to be villified in ep III is very clever also)....

having said that i've been expecting a few major twists/plot points that may never see the light of day myself....

1. anakin's birth
2. qui gon's rebelliousness (including dooku's "don't be too sure" line)
3. the erasure of kamino from the archives (i just know this will be nowhere near as shocking as i want it to be)
4. the return of qui gon from the beyond
5. "i will even learn to stop people from dying"
6. the payoff for introducing midichlorians

there's loads more, so many they can't possibly all be covered....but so far i think it's looking good...

i think there was a lot of emphasis put on the change to the empire, to me that was/will be very well covered, and every now and then a new rumour about boba fett pops up, just when we thought it was completely out of the question....i don't think we can put this one to bed just yet, however unlikely it may seem....

I'm fairly sure the midichlorians already served their purpose, and since most people hated the idea, I don't expect any mention of them. How, when and where the Force spirit thing comes up I have no clue- has anyone heard how that fits into the story? As far as Qui-Gon, I thought we got some interesting insight into his behavior when we met his former teacher. That was another little thing I liked about Ep. 2. The Jedi Archives...... Lucas could throw some twist our way and say it was Qui-Gon (just a crazy thought) but wasn't it said somewhere that the person responsible was seen in AOTC? Maybe I'm remebering that wrongly. Really, though, I'm sure it was Dooku just before he left the order. I think it was more than coincidence that Dooku specifically mentions the Archives on Geonosis. That was almost like an admission.

yeah, i was kinda hinting at the "qui gon erased the archives" theory there, among other things....i just like it because it's the most shocking and unexpected answer anyone's come up with (i don't really think it will happen).....and you're right, they said the culprit was seen in ep 2, so that's that then.....

but i like to think maybe there will be more to the whole qui gon thing (i know it's to point out where anakin picked up some of his anti-authoritarian ways - but they lay so much emphasis on it throughout the film), and dooku's speech seems very mysterious and suggestive.....

hmmmm.....

Well, if Anakin's anti-authority, that makes his story ironic, doesn't it?
It would be great if they have Liam Neeson in the movie as Ghost Qui-Gon but I've been hearing that he doesn't like the direction they've taken. That really makes me wonder how that will be addressed. Does Yoda, at some point say"Figured it out, I have!" then he tells Mace?

i guess the power he wields over the galaxy in the ot is enough for him to feel "contented"....

sir john geilgud will come back instead....

(seriously, if liam doesn't reprise in ep III, that will maybe be the one thing that annoys me about this film)

Maybe George just needs to wave enough cash in front of him, that helps lots of people make up their minds. I'm sure he'd be well-paid for a day's work....

Yeah, he could just do a voice over and lucas could use his CGI hoopa ju to sort out the rest

Great point, smoker4. Very eloquent, too. He can do anything with computers of his.......

they might have voice recordings from ep I that can be doctored as well still, like last time.....they might not even need liam....sad as that is...

Yes indeed ILM Voodoo computer magic is the pinical of the CGI world

No doubt about that, smoker4. Although, the "noooooooooo" part of that scene sounded bad and I don't think that was Neeson. But ILM's CGI is second to none.

Yeah i noticed that the second time i was watching AOTV at the cinema kinda let me down cause i thought maybe neeson recorded some extra stuff for inclusion in 3, just like lucas filming an episode 3 bit when they were in tunisa, but going on the "nooooooooo" this seems doubtful.

On another point i too would love to see the y wing in 3, it always to me looked like it had been around long enough to be in ROTS, one can hope.

Totally off thread ILM are doing the effects for War of The Worlds!

That might be cool, the Y-wing deserves a share of the spotlight! A group of those should be escorting the Tantive 4 at the end of Episode 3......

Agreed, I was alwyas under the impression that the Y-Wings were the "old dogs", that had been around for ages, and the X-Wings were the newer ships.

It would be very cool to see the Y-Wings being used as bomber craft in a space seqeunce.

I know it's highly unlikely because they seem so freakin' intent on making these horrible new ships, but we can only hope.

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i read years ago that y-wings were indeed much earlier ships than x-wings....that's why they're slower apparently....

one of my earliest thoughts on the prequels was that we would see y-wings in ep III, and leave the x-wings to appear in ep IV for the first time.....

i heard that the qui gon voice in ep II was left over audio from ep I, but they mighta lied...

Yeah, heard that too, the noooooooo bit of epII was so different to neesons voice, they should have matched that better

maybe i need to watch it again....

making sure liam was in ep III would be one of the few times i would champion excessive unnatural use of cg....."oh, they'll use cg to replace actors completely in the future"......

do it....just finish these damn things properly....i don't even care if it looks crap.....just tie it up....

Ummm... where did the pic go? How can I see it again?

anyone have a link to the new jedi starfighter?
a birds eye view image just hit my desk, and it looks really sweet (i think)
just wondering where i can find other images of it, to see different angles

The fighter with the flip-up wings? Its in the Insider and might be on the official site.

yeah, thats the one, ill check

thanks

No prob.

i can send pics, but don't know how to...

Hey PVS this link has a front and side view of it, but you have to troll through some other pics

http://community.spacecast.com//ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=002495

thanks smoker, just saw them.

god, it looks so much cooler from the birds-eye. the pics in insider just changed my mind though. the cockpot is way too big. they should have either shrunk that or made the rest of the ship bigger...oh well...hope it looks better on screen.

large cockpit is a desperate attempt to make it look like a tie-fighter....

yeah, i got that impression as well....and it wasnt necessary.
GL just has to be sooooooo freakin obvious doesnt he?

the front window and fold out tie wings were quite enough for us to make the connection....but NOOOOO, GL has suddenly fallen under the dillusion that we all have a collective IQ of 50

I don't don't see the point of screwing with a design that was good already.
Why not just have actual proto-TIEs? There's no logic to a wedge design some how becoming a ball shape....

We would have been happy with the Y-Wings with their NO FOLDING BITS.

I wish the fighters were just TIE fighters to be honest.

It would have been so cool to have seen the JEDI of all people pilot the TIEs. Would have added a nice little surprise and all. But no, there goes Lucas with his "thinking too hard" cap on again - trying desperately to "blend" OT ships with PT technology and shape.

I would have also prefferred if the Storm Troopers weren't "halfway" between the OT stormies and the PT clones, but I can live with the constant "blending" because we get to see so much OT stuff return, such as BATTLE DAMAGE! AT LONG LAST! DIRTY SHIPS ARE BACK!

C3PO is gold, and Yoda is now a puppet (in some scenes at least), Darth Vader is God, and the Royal Guards are there.

But, those X-Wings and Tie Fighter "forshadowers" (there's that stupid PT word again) are the only things that are botherring me slightly. I was really hoping for sharp angles, rough design, bad paint jobs, and ships that look like they are made from a million tiny pieces.

I agree red superfly, as i've said before the Y wing would have been ideal cause it has that been around for 20 odd years look to it instead of these little references to the OT in the ships

This movie needs clean, new Y-wings. Not a badly designed mess like the new Jedi fighters.....

100% agree i do

I will forward this to myself!!! http://usuarios.lycos.es/sientelafuerza/hpbimg/y-wing2sb.jpg

A beautiful ship, 5 previous owners, 1,000,000 light years, totally retrofitted with new astromech, classic ship insurance, first to see will buy

"no, its a short range fighter"

i guess we know how ben has knowledge of this now...but why the hell couldn't they have made the cockpit smaller. if it were just another ugly PT ship, i wouldnt care, but this one had the potential to be really cool.

Seeing that pic makes me realise just how cool those ships were.

They were one of the least impressive ships of the OT - but if they were in the PT at all, they'd blow every other design out of the water.

Yeah the only ship in the PT that is half decent is the sith infiltrator!!

Here's another

http://members.aol.com/dsilver230/pics/y-wing3.jpg

naaah, the sith infiltrator sucked too, its just looked cool next to all the other crap.

I bet if Lucas made Star Wars A New Hope today, he'd have the Y-Wing fold up it's wings, like the freakin enterprise, and when it comes into land, it sprouts skeleton like legs (because Lucas seems to love his skeleton shaped robots), it's head rotates and it becomes Optimus Prime, all the while firing Astromech Droids out of it's chrome plated, smooth and non-damaged ass.

DAMN!!!! theres an image for ya

GL- "i'm working hard to make sure that every little trivial thing from the OT is tied into the PT...but most of all, i am avoiding any creativity in ship design."

well....he may as well say that

I always thought the Naboo Royal Starship was cool, it kinda reminds me of the SR-71 Blackbird, and also the spaceship from "Flight of the Navigator".

and thats the only reason its cool, it IS the sr71.

PVS, excellent point regarding Obi's short range comment. I'd forgotten all about that line.....
Disagree about the Infiltrator, though, that was a cool design.

As for the Naboo Royal ships, I found the concept of a chrome starship to be a unique one.

ok, from the back, the infiltratoe looked cool, but thats because from that angle it looks like vader's tie fighter. it just seems to me that any cool looking ships in the PT are old designs, unfortunately.

look at ALL the ships in the OT, x,y,b,a wings, slave1, ties, imp. shuttles, the falcon, the list goes on and on. the most awsome ship designs. now its like GL cant come up with any original designs, it all has to be recycled. then he uses an excuse like "we wanted to tie the designs together" BS absolute BS. the x wing looks NOTHING like the y,a,or b wing. no two ships look alike in the OT, so how that is the case?

its just the one big flaw i see in the PT.
part of what made the PT awesom was the ship designs.
now thats history

Some of the designs have been OK, they just are different than the OT.
Keep in mind that this supposed to a more civilized time, so the ship designs are fancier.