Capt_Fantastic
So, do you guys think it would be more interesting for Anakin to wake up in the suit and hold himself responsible for Padme's death, or the Jedi. I know that there are certain facts that state that Anakin is responsible for her death and that Palpatine will tell him he killed her, but will he think to himself "What have I done"....or will he say "look what you (as in the Jedi) made me do!"?
I think that if Anakin realizes that he is at fault for her death that his fall to the dark side will be complete and total. It's clear that since he met Padme when he was nine that she has been the only thing that he really loves, besides his mother. Not being a Jedi, not flying space ships or pod racers, not fixing things. Those things are just interesting to him. Once he has lost his mother, Padme is all he has left. And once she is gone, no matter who's fault, he has nothing left. Basically, her death will be the catalyst to his final fall. I say final fall because he's been falling to the dark side since he hugged his mother goodbye on Tatooine. It's the first time he really felt fear...and we all know that fear is what leads to the dark side. What will make the total fall so instant and over whelming is when he realizes that it was his fault, just like he blames himself for his mother's death.
It's also what makes Palpatine the ultimate villain in the story. From the moment he met Anakin and found out that he may be the ultimate Jedi...the chosen one....that he would make the best apprentice. Palpatine hates the fact that Anakin is a Jedi. It's obvious, IMO, that Palpatine was never a Jedi. Palpatine views the Jedi way as weak and inferior. It makes Anakin the best candidate for being a Sith. Since Maul was destroyed on Naboo(and Palpatine clearly had the most time to mold him of any of the apprentices he has in the whole story) he knows that the only alternative (due to time constraints) are Jedi. Hence Dooku and Anakin. I think Palpatine knows from their first meeting that Anakin will become "Vader" so to speak. He knows he can turn him to the dark side....that's why Luke tells him his overconfidence is his weakness in ROTJ. (Granted Vader was right in ESB when he tells Luke that only his hatred can destroy him. When Vader finally pushes that button in Lukes heart and mind about Leia...Luke gives in to his anger and beats Vader. Only when he sees what he will become in the form of the twisted wires hanging out of his fathers wrist is his goodness cemented and permanately instilled) It's also the ultimate fullfilment of the propechy of the chosen one. The Emperor thinks he can avoid bringing balance to the force by corrupting Anakin...but in his short sightedness he doesn't realize that it is the LARGEST and most important aspect of the prophecy.
Clearly however, Obi-Wan feels a major sense of responsability in the whole situation.(other wise he wouldn't have spent the last half of his life hiding on Tatooine watching over Luke) He trained Anakin, he failed to show him the error of his ways...and emotions. But when you get right down to it, Obi-Wan is really the most innocent person in the whole story. He found himself in a position where he felt obligated to take on Anakin as a padawan. On top of that, as good and innocent as Anakin seemed...he was just a weak child when he left his mother. And on top of that still, Anakin is the chosen one...and Yoda, Qui-Gon, Windu, Kenobi...all of the others, are just pawns in the will of the force. Yoda knew what was going to happen...maybe not to the extent that actually came about...but he knew that Anakin shouldn't be trained...he already had too much attachment to the things in his life. That's why kids are taken away to be Jedi before they're old enough to become attached to their parents. It was the short sightedness of the other members of the council that eventually led to Yoda being "out voted", in a manner of speaking, and Anakin being trained as a Jedi. BUT that's the whole point of the prophecy in the story. It happens because it was meant to happen. Only Yoda, and Obi-Wan to an extent, knew that it would be bad for the future of the galaxy. The rest of the Jedi got caught up in the death of Qui-Gon and fulfilling his last request.(which of course was that Anakin be trained) They just didn't realize that Anakin HAD to fall in order to be redeemed at the right time and place where he could destroy the Emperor and bring balance back to the force. Which is why Anakin is the chosen one.
You know what would be really helpful, would be to read the actual wording of the prophecy...rather than just hear them talk about it.
I think that if Anakin realizes that he is at fault for her death that his fall to the dark side will be complete and total. It's clear that since he met Padme when he was nine that she has been the only thing that he really loves, besides his mother. Not being a Jedi, not flying space ships or pod racers, not fixing things. Those things are just interesting to him. Once he has lost his mother, Padme is all he has left. And once she is gone, no matter who's fault, he has nothing left. Basically, her death will be the catalyst to his final fall. I say final fall because he's been falling to the dark side since he hugged his mother goodbye on Tatooine. It's the first time he really felt fear...and we all know that fear is what leads to the dark side. What will make the total fall so instant and over whelming is when he realizes that it was his fault, just like he blames himself for his mother's death.
It's also what makes Palpatine the ultimate villain in the story. From the moment he met Anakin and found out that he may be the ultimate Jedi...the chosen one....that he would make the best apprentice. Palpatine hates the fact that Anakin is a Jedi. It's obvious, IMO, that Palpatine was never a Jedi. Palpatine views the Jedi way as weak and inferior. It makes Anakin the best candidate for being a Sith. Since Maul was destroyed on Naboo(and Palpatine clearly had the most time to mold him of any of the apprentices he has in the whole story) he knows that the only alternative (due to time constraints) are Jedi. Hence Dooku and Anakin. I think Palpatine knows from their first meeting that Anakin will become "Vader" so to speak. He knows he can turn him to the dark side....that's why Luke tells him his overconfidence is his weakness in ROTJ. (Granted Vader was right in ESB when he tells Luke that only his hatred can destroy him. When Vader finally pushes that button in Lukes heart and mind about Leia...Luke gives in to his anger and beats Vader. Only when he sees what he will become in the form of the twisted wires hanging out of his fathers wrist is his goodness cemented and permanately instilled) It's also the ultimate fullfilment of the propechy of the chosen one. The Emperor thinks he can avoid bringing balance to the force by corrupting Anakin...but in his short sightedness he doesn't realize that it is the LARGEST and most important aspect of the prophecy.
Clearly however, Obi-Wan feels a major sense of responsability in the whole situation.(other wise he wouldn't have spent the last half of his life hiding on Tatooine watching over Luke) He trained Anakin, he failed to show him the error of his ways...and emotions. But when you get right down to it, Obi-Wan is really the most innocent person in the whole story. He found himself in a position where he felt obligated to take on Anakin as a padawan. On top of that, as good and innocent as Anakin seemed...he was just a weak child when he left his mother. And on top of that still, Anakin is the chosen one...and Yoda, Qui-Gon, Windu, Kenobi...all of the others, are just pawns in the will of the force. Yoda knew what was going to happen...maybe not to the extent that actually came about...but he knew that Anakin shouldn't be trained...he already had too much attachment to the things in his life. That's why kids are taken away to be Jedi before they're old enough to become attached to their parents. It was the short sightedness of the other members of the council that eventually led to Yoda being "out voted", in a manner of speaking, and Anakin being trained as a Jedi. BUT that's the whole point of the prophecy in the story. It happens because it was meant to happen. Only Yoda, and Obi-Wan to an extent, knew that it would be bad for the future of the galaxy. The rest of the Jedi got caught up in the death of Qui-Gon and fulfilling his last request.(which of course was that Anakin be trained) They just didn't realize that Anakin HAD to fall in order to be redeemed at the right time and place where he could destroy the Emperor and bring balance back to the force. Which is why Anakin is the chosen one.
You know what would be really helpful, would be to read the actual wording of the prophecy...rather than just hear them talk about it.
