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Ok just want to ask a question on the actual "two" towers.

Many people believe it to be Orthanc & Barad-dur due to the film version - The cover of the book version (A-format paperback) has Orthanc and the Tower of Gondor (I believe).

Also I believe there is 2 more towers which were introduced in a later thread ages ago.

Help...

Well, Tolkien himself never settled on two towers.
It COULD be:
Minas Morgul and Minas Tirith
Cirith Ungol and Orthanc
Barad-dur and Orthanc
Minas Morgul and Orthanc
etc.
etc.
I think he preferred the second.

He wrote that he wasn't happy with the title as it wasn't really clear what he meant

But he himself drew a cover for TT

Which clearly shows Minas Morgul and Orthanc as you said



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btw
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23688

Discos, we have a search function you know.
*points to the door*

It 'twas Orthanc/Isengard and Morgu, since he had a Moon underneath the Black Tower (representing Minas Ithil), and the Hand of Saruman under the White tower.

the cover is Minas Morgul - a half cresent moon?

I would of thought myself it was Orthanc & Cirith Ungol. Probably because of the first half of th ebook being about Orthanc and its over-taken on Rohan + the other half of the book being about Frodo in Cirith Ungol.

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yes I know there is a search function, I was going to use it until I realized no one reads bumped topics and when people say a brand new topic "by discos" they would go "ooohhh this must so totally hardcore stuff"

Here are all posiblities for the Two Towers

Orthanc/Barad-dur
Orthanc/Minas Morgal
Orthanc/Cirith Ungle
Orthanc/Minas Tirith

Barad-dur/Minas Morgal
Barad-dur/Cirith Ungle
Barad-dur/Minas Tirith

Cirith Ungle/Minas Morgal
Cirith Ungle/Minas Tirith

Minas Morgal/Minas Tirith

Just pick the one you like

Minas Tirith/Barad-dur sounds more like RotK
Cirith Ungle/Orthanc follows the book
Orthanc/Barad-dur shows the powers of evil

Then as usual they are let down.

Mean Sauron.

Well..yeah I wasn't even gona bother with the thread...but when I saw who made it, I just HAD to go in! I mean IT'S DISCOS!


yeah def orthanc...as for the other one...minas morgul, or cirith ungol...

def Orthanc and it's either Barad-dur or the Tower of Cirith Ungle. Both work

i thot it was orthanc n minas morgul.....cos of the hole saruman n sauron thing going on....

^^ sauron wasnt really at Minas Morgul, he was at Barad-dur with his freaky eye.

I dont think we hear of Minas Morgul in the books do we?

well i thot it was the tower his eye was on...wotever one that is....

yeah thats Barad-dur, Minas Morgul is where The withcking dwelt (the green lit up city - we seen it right next to the stairs towering up to shelb's lair in the movie ROTK).

hmm...nah i think the eye barad-dur n orthanc....cos they were working together....

yeah in the films they were, the book version focused on Orthanc and Cirith Ungol (the book version has frodo there in the TTT and not ROTK).

i havnt finished reading the books....infact i havnt read a bit of them in 3 months
oops....

stupid magazines disracting me.....n mcfly comps lol...

Mclfy comps.......Boo!

I wouldnt mind it being Orthanc and Cirith Ungol since they didnt have much to do with each other to confuse people

yeah the treason of isengard would resort to orthanc, we all know it is most definetly Orthanc as 1 tower.....but the other wouldnt be Barad-dur as in the films, it aint mentioned barely enough in the book.

To quote the final passage in The Fellowship of the Ring
" The second part is called THE TWO TOWERS, since the events recounted in it are dominated by ORTHANC, the citadel of Saruman, and the fortress of MINAS MORGUL that guards the secret entrance into Mordor..." (emphasis theirs) therefore it is quite clear which two towers Tolkien had in mind...

indeed so

agreed.

Nope, not at all.

The problem is, Tolkien made SEVERAL drawings, with different Towers in each. That section at the end of FOTR was added in later, I think, and not by Tolkien. Tolkien himself was never clear on the matter:

"The Two Towers gets as near as possible to finding a title to cover the widely divergent Books 3 & 4; and can be left ambiguous- it might refer to Isengard and Barad-dur, or to Minas Tirith and B; or Isengard and Cirith Ungol (1)."

and

"I am not at all happy about the title `the Two Towers'. It must if there is any real reference in it to Vol II refer to Orthanc and the Tower of Cirith Ungol. But since there is so much made of the basic opposition of the Dark Tower and Minas Tirith, that seems very misleading."

So he didn't know, so nor can we ever be clear. The original responses to this thread were right; the attempts to pin it down later have been misleading.

very understandable... no of us are tolkien so we cant prove each other wrong..