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Describe you Justice System as a Hero. For me.....

Murders: Die
Rapist: Die
Pedofiles: Die
Common Criminals: Beat um and leave them for the cops

interseting thread. i wouldnt kill anyone though unless it was needed(someones life was on the line).
murders:ass kicking to near death
rapists:chop their balls off
pedofiles:chop their balls off as well
common crooks: a good right hand

You forget kidnappers, terrorists, pyromaniacs and television evangelists.

I try to lived by Batman's code, Try to bring them all in alive, and let the justice system deal with it.

Do what God did and put 'em all to Life. Not just the bad guys but in this case every single solitary thing. This will settle everything no matter what scamer trys to get off.

i think i would beat the shit out of everyone but that would only work for so long....look at nightwing....he was like im sick of fighting this blockbuster assh*le so im gonna let this tarantula chick kill him...ok thats not exactly how it went down but its close enough

Those are hardly 'justice' are they?

I don't think vigilante and hero are interchangeable terms for the most part.

yeah I forgot also drug dealers, pimps, and people that take tags off of mattresses

jay walkers as well

I would go for the 3 strikes and you're out approach... I would let the normal heroes deal with them first, and after three attempts if the law system still fails (eg they keep escaping from prison), then I would go after them and end thier life sniper or cripple them for life....crutch

Bring them in alive. Nobody is infalliable, and won't you feel like shit when the "murderer" you killed turns out to be innocent?

you forget that the term "hero" all depends on who is giving the title. Vigilante is fairly obvious, but for someone to be a hero, it all depends on the person calling them the hero. I mean, to a kid in need of blood after a wreck, a donor would be a hero to him. And to someone who kills a serial killer, the killer's family would think of him as a villain.

No I didn't forget that. Note that I said for the most part.

Anyone can be a subjective hero.

well, then i disagree wholeheartedly on your comment, lol. I think that all vigilantes are heroes to some extent. At least they take action to achieve something they believe in.

ALL vigilantes?

That's a broad statement.

i know, and i'm also willing to defend it

Someone who beats up a shopkeeper for prosecuting them over theft.

Will the defendant rise.

thats not being a vigilante in the least. A vigilante doesnt just do random "punishment" to those who might be in the wrong. They see those who actually break the law, and adminsiter their own justice as they see fit.

How about a man who, during the civil rights struggle, lynched black people who violated the Jim Crow laws?

Times were changing, and those were indeed dark times. People easily look back on those actions now and say how horrible they were, but at the time there were a LOT of supporters for "haters". Don't get me wrong, im not racist in the least, but chances are most of us (being white) would have been against the civilrights movement.... a scary thought, but most likely true, nonetheless.

See what you have done, is confuse the terms, which was my point in the first place.

Vigilante: One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands. (dictionary.com)

What has happened is that your idea of the word is close to your concept of hero.

Do you see?

There is no mention of a vigilante having to be in the right, it is literally one that believes in self-enforcement.

And you let the justice system deal with them and they get a unjust trial and get out when they dont deserve life.


Now Id personally kill

murders
rapists
drug dealers
pimps
pedofiles
kidnappers
terrorists

Killing a murderer, how ironic.

No killing. Just brutal violence. Despite Venom fanboyism, i'm of the Spider-mindset.

i think you read the definition wrong that you actually posted.... it says law ENFORCEMENT... not creating laws of his own. a true vigilante judges according to real law, but administers justice on his level.

You are saying a TRUE vigilante though, again that's your value judgment.

I'm making the point that it is possible to be a vigilante for an unjust or incorrect cause.

By definition a vigilante is a lawbreaker.

i think you read the definition wrong that you actually posted.... it says law ENFORCEMENT... not creating laws of his own. a true vigilante judges according to real law, but administers justice on his level.

Doom is correct in his definition of the term Vigilante. It is someone who takes the law into thier own hand without any auterisation or sanction. That is why almost all heroes are in fact vigilanties. Most people think that the term only applies to those who get really violent with the "bad guys", but it actually applies to anyone who takes the law into thier hands without any form of lawful backing. Anyone who decides to one day put on a costume and go out and catch some criminals becomes a vigilante.

Is Batman a vigilante? Everybody calls him that, of course, but every time the police light up the signal, aren't they effectively authorizing him to intervene in whatever case they're working in?

A mere technicality!

Ok, yeah, you're right.

i wasnt saying that a vigilante had to be violent. I was saying that a vigilante has to "crack down" on guys who break already existing laws, which is exactly what the definition he printed said...

It doesn't actually say existing laws, it speaks of a state of affairs in which a subject, ie the vigilante, believes they are enforcing law without sanction. I'm sure you don't have to go out and study the laws of the land before you technically qualify as a vigilante.

Anyway, isn't it more interesting to defend these actions rather than quibble over the word meaning.

He beats/threatens people for information, breaks and enters other peoples places without a warrent, and generally does whatever he thinks is nessassery to get his job done... He is most defenatly a vigilante.

Vigilanties work within thier own sets of rules and don't follow the law when it comes to accomplishing thier tasks (hence they work outside the law).