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I had a very very intersting dissusion with a friend of mine, who happens to have his bachalors in philosophy about belief. The disscussion followed the lines of some of the God threads but the way he responded was interesting.
He said something along the lines of.
You cannot say that you don't believe in something because of different facts. Because facts are merly strong beliefs that you have. For example I said we all know 2+2=4 and we can show this by addding somethin solid like apples. But he responded that no, thats just a strong belief, whats stopping the apples from making 2+2=7? nothing, we believe in the different physics laws and such, but thats merley a strong belief, whats stopping it from being changed at any given time. Needless to say it was very difficult to make any points or arguments about God with him.
What are your thoughts?

my thoughts are that 2+2 is 4

I've taken 3 philosophy classes in my current college years, and every single teacher is the same way.

It's philosophy's job to ask stupid ass questions like that, because he is right...it's not a fact, it is a generally accepted belief.

But to every person on this earth that isn't thinking philosophically, yah...2+2=4

Philosophical scepticism, that' s my thought: As anything really certain?

Well this IS the philoshophy section.......

I'm just trying to say that everything is and uncertanty, befause nothing is stopping it form changeing, just our belief that it wont.

I think she was posting that link because that was a thread she created in order to point out the fact that from a philosophical view.....the point you are trying to make, is correct.

oh me and Storm posted at the same time, my commet was directed to you.

oh, well, in that case...

As weird as my post sounds....I was trying to agree with the point he was making also...

Yea, its kinda hard to disagree with him. Very smart man, Crazy ass climber too.

In the first lesson of my philosophy course, they asked us what 'ths' is ((this being the table)) and we answered "The table". But the teacher said - "But there is no proof of it being a table - it is only a table because we believe it to be so."

Sometimes I think thats true, but other times I think - IT'S A FRIGGING TABLE!

yea, But I would have made the argument that I can see and touch the table, the name table is just a lable for the thing that is in front of me, the lable matters not, the shape and feel i know because I have felt it, and seen it and such.

He asked me the same thing except with the president

Faith, you have faith if God, so someone trying to prove you wrong and that its an uncertainty, shldn't stop you from believing.

I was trying to keep this free of the God debate.

Faith can be wrong, you have faith in someone and somethign and it doesn't happen. Common.

UMMM isn't that what you are saying about 2+2=4, that it could be wrng? it could be changed? and hey YOU brought up God right off that bat in your very 1st post.

I didn't say that God could change it, I'm saying that there's no way it couldn't happen, Think philosophy.

Philosophical Sceptism has nothing to do with God, he doesn't belong in there there is no need to drag him in, not every thing has to be about God.

TpT as you know I am a very heavy believer of philosophical sceptism but as Ush said before it gets very dull and boring after a while

Was God brought into the very 1st thread? LOL

You're friend is wrong and over analyzing things (something I know alot of phylosophy majors do, as if it makes them seem intelegent in some way).

2+2 does in fact equal 4. By our number system, this is indeed fact. For proof of this, take two apples, and then put two more apples with them. You now have four apples. You do not have seven apples. No matter what you believe, or where in the universe you do this, if you take 2+2, there will always be the same amount of apples.

TpT was just sharing his discussion, he afterwards clearly stated he wants this discussion to be free of the god debate.

Where in the 1st post does it state that, cuz i don't see it?

it doesn't says so in the 1st post it says so in: "I was trying to keep this free of the God debate."

Ok, but thats now what you said.

not following that last part but okie

Becuz you were saying TP was trying to keep it from debate, then you turned it around and said YOU were trying to keep it out of a God debate, when in fact you did say TP said it, which HE never did in the 1st post.

This is not a you did-you didn' t game.

It is now.

TpT stated he was trying to keep this free of the God debate. It doesn' t matter whether he said so in his first post or not. Period.

lol srry didn't mean to make it like that.

still believ 2+2= 4 still belive the bible to be fictional myths.
still belive those found of philosophical sceptism can pay 5 one dollar bills for a 2 dollar burger.

bUt Does Believing it mean its true? And you only base belief on past experience, whose to say that it will be like that in the future? You assume that, but there's nothing stopping it.

Cyclops tried to pull this Philosophical crap on me yesterday...

He was like "Proove I exsist"

and aside from the numerous PMs, the didigtal photos he's posted, and the girlfriend of his that talks to me reguarly...he just refused to believe that THAT was sufficient enough proof. He just kept saying "proove I exsist"

It's not EXACTLY the same as the 2+2=4 analogy, but it does have similarities.

All philosophical scepticism, very tiresome indeed.

yea it is, but it is more "practical" when talking in the future tense.

no it doesnt, I bet Britney Spears BELIEVES she is the best musical artist ever aint so though


ok punch him in the nose till he starts to bleed ask him if it hurts, if he says yes you go theres your proof

Well you are talking to him, so somethign that expressis his opinions must exist in some way shape or form

Go to his house and hit him in the face. Sometimes a complex question requires a simple answer.

The Benefactor is sending the Guardians after you

I think what he meant was that it is only four because we have decided ((believe)) that this number is four. If we believed it to be seven, it would be seven. (('1984' kinda deal - Winston believes 2+2 is 5, therefore 2+2 IS 5, at least for him))

It is true for her - what other truth is there but your own truth?

it aint even true for her one has to be realistic too

bible riddle

How long did Cain hate his brother?

As long as he was Abel!

ok another one

What is the best way to get to Paradise?

Turn right and go straight

hahah!
That ones good!

Nice one Phoe

Thanks!