Iron man vs Namor

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bakerboy
It would be a great figth. Ill said iron man, he has more different powers with his armor , and you?.

ska57
Umm, yeah....the winner....THAT WOULD BE IRON MAN.

Tron
Now is this in or out of water, cause in water Namor stands a better chance, that's how he got the upper hand on Hulk.

ska57
true.

ska57
Namor's strength underwater is rated at 85 tons and Iron Man's suit at maximum output is the same. So if it came to a physical fight, the one with the better moves would win, probably Namor since the armor might be slow and clumsy (spelling?) underwater. But Iron Man's armor is not without it's accesories. The Hydro armor is able to resist 8,000 lbs/sq. in., is powered by a micro nuclear supply pack, and has repulsors, mini-torpedoes, and an electric field generator (the armor can generate an electrical field around itself similar to an electric eel). Close fight.

ScarletSpider
Namor has little known and little used electrical powers similar to electric eels so that aspect of the armor wouldn't help Stark. Namor also has limited invulnerability, so it would take awhile for the repulsors to seriously hurt him. In that time, Namor peels Stark out of the armor like a sardine. PUN!

ska57
What's "PUN!"?????????????????

ScarletSpider
Namor is King of the Realm Eternal...Atlantis...under the ocean...water...sardines live in the ocean. Iron Man...likening armor to tin cans, which Namor would rip apart to reveal the sweet splendor beneath, although it would be Stark, and not a fishy treat, like Sardines.

ska57
oh

ScarletSpider
:'-<(

Maestro
Lol can't believe you had to explain that Scarlett. laughing

Evangel94
outside of water: Iron Man 8/10

Underwater: Namor 8/10

Maelstrom
Stark needs to develope a sientific equlivant to Juggernauts helmet magic so he can't be ripped from his armor. In the air Ironman even though it would be closer, on ground Ironman definatly. Underwater I think Namor has all the moves so it goes to him.

ScarletSpider
I would go more along the lines of Air 7/10 Ironman

Ground 6/10 Ironman, dehydrating Namor is the key, but pretty much any source of water instantly revives and increases his strength

Water 9/10 Namor

Evangel94
Iron Man can't be "ripped out" of his armor. If your talking about the psi-defenses of the juggy helmet then, Iron Man has that area more than covered. He was immune to world level controlling psi.

Why are battles that have already happened in the Marvel universe posted here. It's just a waste of time to rediscuss something that already happened so far back.

Krissy Von Doom
Wouldn't Namor be strong enough to tear that armor apart? I believe, even out of water, Namor would win most fights because he only has to get wet to recharge, Ironman has a finite amount of energy reserved and would eventually use it all up chasing Namor around.

ska57
Iron Man would win in the air/ground, that's where he is most specialized, Namor; however, would win 9/10 battles underwater.

Iron Man can out-fly Namor and is equally as strong (without being connected to a powerful energy source). Iron Man wouldn't run out of energy that fast, maybe his main power supply pack, but he has solar energy converters as back-up.

If Namor is getting dehydrated and wanted to go back into water Iron Man would simply hold him back, since Namor's strength has gone down significantly, and beat his face in.

Maelstrom
Ironman with a scientific seal would be cool. Jugs helmet is magicly sealed so it can't be removed from his head. It'd be cool if ironmans armor had the same advantage.

Nataku8188
Is that why Jugg's has a habit of getting his helmet torn off fighting the X-men ?

Mane
Namor wins this. Flight, Limited Invulnerability, and hes uber powerful underwater. overall he has more advantages over IM.

Swanky-Tuna
Because of the very fact that he's Juggernaut.

zonerider
bump

Innerhype
Necro bump?

Mindship
Out of water: Iron Man 6.5/10
In water: Namor 8.5/10

jacobo0o
ironman 9/10
in water 9/10

snoopdogg
I actually think IM has a chance in the water also cause of his suit. I'm sure his manuverability in water would be pretty good.

Innerhype
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I actually think IM has a chance in the water also cause of his suit. I'm sure his manuverability in water would be pretty good.

He really does have a chance, considering Iron Man has already defeated Namor while underwater a number of times

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by Innerhype
He really does have a chance, considering Iron Man has already defeated Namor while underwater a number of times

Agreed.

In one encounter, Iron Man heated the water surrounding them to the extent where Namor felt its after effects and was greatly weakened.


Iron Man 10/10 in the air

Iron Man 10/10 on land

Iron Man 8/10 in sea

snoopdogg
You guys have scans of this? I have seen Namor weakened underwater with heat before. Just not against IM.

Superherovandal
but now that Namor has his suit tthat keeps him at full power always he really doesnt need water so that tactic would be moot. Namor 6-7/10 anywhere

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Superherovandal
but now that Namor has his suit tthat keeps him at full power always he really doesnt need water so that tactic would be moot. Namor 6-7/10 anywhere I don't see why IM could not burn the suit off if need be. He's a pretty smart I heard.

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by Superherovandal
but now that Namor has his suit tthat keeps him at full power always he really doesnt need water so that tactic would be moot. Namor 6-7/10 anywhere

Irrelevant. Where does it say in this thread that Namor is wearing that particular suit in this battle?


Originally posted by snoopdogg
You guys have scans of this? I have seen Namor weakened underwater with heat before. Just not against IM.

Here ya go.....

http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsnamor1e0yj.jpg
http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsnamor1f5ue.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsnamor1g1uk.jpg

And that's his old armor. Imagine what he could do to Namor today.

Madvillain
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Madvillain
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Howard_Jones
Namor underwater is gonna stomp Iron Man all day.

Over the water is a different story. The thing about Namor is he is quite literally unstobbable. Thor and Surfer had trouble with him underwater.

Madvillain
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Madvillain
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Madvillain
stark gets bitched.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Darth Vegas





Here ya go.....

http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsnamor1e0yj.jpg
http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsnamor1f5ue.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsnamor1g1uk.jpg

And that's his old armor. Imagine what he could do to Namor today. Impressive. I'd say IM can pull 6/10 underwater and 8/10 on land.

DarkCrawler
That trick would only work if Namor would swim up close. But he can make much, MUCH bigger typhoons then that. Tsunami-swallowing, island sized ones.

snoopdogg
Is their anymore fights between Namor and IM underwater? Somebody mentioned IM beat him numerous times.

Evangel94
All previous incarnations of Iron Man had him at a slight disadvantage, but the new Civil War/Extremis Iron Man who defeated Sentry takes Namor out.

Current Extremis Iron Man 10/10

jacobo0o
yeah extremis rock!!

Scoobless
Iron Man #12

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/9752/invincibleironmanv4012ppp3.th.jpg

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5404/invincibleironmanv4012pvl7.th.jpg http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6690/invincibleironmanv4012paq2.th.jpg

One of Tony's robots was kickin' the crap out of Namor... so IM just rips it to pieces.

big grin

H. S. 6
Iron Man would win a hefty majority. Probably 9-10/10.

He's got too much versatility.

Badabing
Originally posted by H. S. 6
Iron Man would win a hefty majority. Probably 9-10/10.

He's got too much versatility.
What H. S. 6 says.
cool

H. S. 6
Originally posted by Badabing
What H. S. 6 says.
cool

raver

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Scoobless
Iron Man #12

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/9752/invincibleironmanv4012ppp3.th.jpg

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5404/invincibleironmanv4012pvl7.th.jpg http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6690/invincibleironmanv4012paq2.th.jpg

One of Tony's robots was kickin' the crap out of Namor... so IM just rips it to pieces.

big grin Man...that thing was kicking the Sh!t out of Namor!

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Irrelevant. Where does it say in this thread that Namor is wearing that particular suit in this battle? Most recent incarnation is assumed if none is specified.

Iron Man takes the majority.

jinzin
uhhhmmmm confused

am i the only one NOT ignoring illuminati? I mean namor COMPLETELY no sold it to iron man there and that fight started out of the damned water.

xmarksthespot
That was prior to the Extremis upgrade iirc.

Scoobless
Originally posted by jinzin
uhhhmmmm confused

am i the only one NOT ignoring illuminati? I mean namor COMPLETELY no sold it to iron man there and that fight started out of the damned water.

Illuminati was a total one-off fluke though ... every other time they have fought it's been hard for Namor to cope with IM, with IM winning most of their fights ... but all of a sudden repulsors don't even affect him?

It didn't seem like the creative team thought that one out too well.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by jinzin
uhhhmmmm confused

am i the only one NOT ignoring illuminati? I mean namor COMPLETELY no sold it to iron man there and that fight started out of the damned water. I am not ignoring it but I don't think Tony was looking to fight. Was he? Can somebody post the whole fight?

H. S. 6
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I am not ignoring it but I don't think Tony was looking to fight. Was he? Can somebody post the whole fight?

He wasn't. He said some words to Namor, but it was Namor who started the fight, and Iron Man flew straight into the ocean (CIS at the very least).

Scoobless
Originally posted by H. S. 6
He wasn't. He said some words to Namor, but it was Namor who started the fight, and Iron Man flew straight into the ocean (CIS at the very least).

Yeah ... since when does the second or third smartest super hero on the planet think it's a good idea to try to avoid Namor by going underwater?

That was dumb.

jinzin
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That was prior to the Extremis upgrade iirc.
was it? it didn't appear so...

jinzin
Originally posted by Scoobless
Illuminati was a total one-off fluke though ... every other time they have fought it's been hard for Namor to cope with IM, with IM winning most of their fights ... but all of a sudden repulsors don't even affect him?

It didn't seem like the creative team thought that one out too well.
"every other time"?

how many times have these two faced off? I've seen one ancient battle which is most likely irrelivant today as both characters have become stronger over the years. Even then ironman seemed to win that fight by taking a stunned namor by surprise and dehydrating him right of the bat... I'm not so sure that's gonna happen to a namor who's not F'in around....

in any case, I've only seen the two confrontations between them and they've gone both ways.
then there's the stint w/war machine, but honestly all he seemed to be doing was holding namor off.

jinzin
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I am not ignoring it but I don't think Tony was looking to fight. Was he? Can somebody post the whole fight? I agree he wasn't looking for a fight but he was certainly trying to defend himself after the initial punch, none of it was to any effect, I would imagine that has to hold at least SOME weight here.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
He wasn't. He said some words to Namor, but it was Namor who started the fight, and Iron Man flew straight into the ocean (CIS at the very least).

he was running away, he wasn't fairing much better OUT of the water either. erm

snoopdogg
What the hell was that thing that was literally kicking the sh!t out of Namor underwater?

Was Wolverine in that suit?(That was a joke)

jinzin
lol.... have no idea but it's pretty badass.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by jinzin
was it? it didn't appear so...

It's not.

Wow. This whole thread is taking Namor's low showings and Iron Man's high ones. Ridiculous.

Are we all forgetting that Namor has taken down Abomination, Hulk, and many other top tier characters himself.

He also had Thor and the Silver Surfer on the ropes underwater. eek!

So, yeah. Namor's winning this fight.

Scoobless
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
He also had Thor and the Silver Surfer on the ropes underwater.

erm

Were you high when you read that "confrontation" with SS?

DarkCrawler
I'm still not sure what that thing was, but I think it was some sort of Iron Man armor designed for underwater combat.

I call it "Namorbuster" myself...

And Namor can defenitely put the hurt on SS underwater...until SS pulls out those crazy blasts of his and puts the hurt on himself.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7703/namorvssurfer19tb.gif
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/567/namorvssurfer22ls.gif
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8900/namorvssurfer39xe.gif

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvssurfer14qo.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvssurfer29cq.jpg
http://img202.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvssurfer36xl.jpg

As for Iron Man, IMO Namor has never gone completely all-out on him underwater (Completely drowning him into huge-ass whirpool that stops even Hulk from moving and attacking him from all sides).

Scoobless
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'm still not sure what that thing was, but I think it was some sort of Iron Man armor designed for underwater combat.

I call it "Namorbuster" myself...

Tony built 5 robots that he could mentally command that could help out in various environments. That one was obviously designed for under-water work... they were all combat capable.

Then some psycho guy managed to mess with Tony's head via an implant that was there since the earliest days of IM and turned those 5 robots loose to destroy stuff.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And Namor can defenitely put the hurt on SS underwater...until SS pulls out those crazy blasts of his and puts the hurt on himself.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7703/namorvssurfer19tb.gif
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/567/namorvssurfer22ls.gif
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8900/namorvssurfer39xe.gif

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvssurfer14qo.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvssurfer29cq.jpg
http://img202.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorvssurfer36xl.jpg


Two examples of Namor attacking the Surfer without provocation and not being able to hurt him.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
As for Iron Man, IMO Namor has never gone completely all-out on him underwater (Completely drowning him into huge-ass whirpool that stops even Hulk from moving and attacking him from all sides).

That's exactly what he tried to do to IM in that old fight.... Hulk has no means of self propulsion or heat projection to get out of it like IM does/did though.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by Scoobless
Tony built 5 robots that he could mentally command that could help out in various environments. That one was obviously designed for under-water work... they were all combat capable.

Then some psycho guy managed to mess with Tony's head via an implant that was there since the earliest days of IM and turned those 5 robots loose to destroy stuff.

Well, that one "busted" Namor, so Namorbuster is a good name. stick out tongue

Originally posted by Scoobless
Two examples of Namor attacking the Surfer without provocation and not being able to hurt him.

He was defenitely able to hurt him...there is pain on Surfer's face after each blow. He's just not able to hurt him enough.

Originally posted by Scoobless
That's exactly what he tried to do to IM in that old fight.... Hulk has no means of self propulsion or heat projection to get out of it like IM does/did though.

That whirlpool was a tiny one compared to Namor's best ones. Didn't look like Namor was putting much effort on it...and only reason why IM was able to press advantage was because Namor was surprised, even states that in the scan. And even with "last particle of his vaning power" he still broke Iron Man's hold.

Doubt that Iron Man would manage as well in this...
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/1919/namorspeedfeat631fn.gif

Anyway, don't get me wrong, Extremis Iron Man would win majority.

nimbus006
IM is on par with Namor in almost every category except maybe agility. ... however he is faster than Namor.

Strength- Namor by a ton or two, not much

Speed - IM

Agility- Namor

Stamina- not sure, but probably IM unless there in water

Durability- =

Intelligence- IM

Energy Projection- IM and this is where he really has a huge advantage. He can do so many things to Namor that make it hard for Namor to overcome.

DarkCrawler
Well, Iron Man has intelligence edge only in tech, Namor is far better strategist and fighter.

nimbus006
I wouldn't say he is a far better strategist that IM... although he is a much better fighter. What i mean by intelligence is the knowledge he has over his armor and how to use it, which is an incredible advantage.

DarkCrawler
Well, he has been leader of an entire army for 70 years as compared to Iron Man's 15 or so years in Avengers...I'd say that puts Namor quite high in strategy scale, being veteran of thousands of battles and all.

nimbus006
I'M sorry i meant to say he isnt a far better fighter, although he is a much better strategist. My fault embarrasment

Howard_Jones
Iron Man right now has better reaction times. I don't think he has a better speed feat than Namor. Also, Namor is a better fighter/strategist and is also stronger, considering that he's probably closer to guys in the range of Abomination/Hulk/Nefaria.

DarkCrawler
If we take all Namor's speed feats into consideration, IM's reaction times aren't THAT better (Though I admit he is faster).

His flight speed isn't that much better, though. Both can hit escape velocity speed with quite an ease.

H. S. 6
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
It's not.

Wow. This whole thread is taking Namor's low showings and Iron Man's high ones. Ridiculous.

Are we all forgetting that Namor has taken down Abomination, Hulk, and many other top tier characters himself.

He also had Thor and the Silver Surfer on the ropes underwater. eek!

So, yeah. Namor's winning this fight.

First of all, I'd like to see some scans backing up what you're saying. I've never seen Namor "on the ropes" with Silver Surfer, and the only conflict I saw with Hulk was the two of them speeding at each other underwater, hitting into each other, which sends them both hurtling backwards. Hardly a fight.

Additionally, ABC logic isn't all that reliable. You don't see someone say, "Rhino has beaten Spider-Man, and Spider-Man has beaten Firelord, so Rhino > Firelord," do you?

On top of all that, Iron Man is way too versatile for Namor to handle. All he really needs to do is trap Namor in a magnetic field and pound him with some repulsor rays.

Iron Man wins.

nimbus006
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If we take all Namor's speed feats into consideration, IM's reaction times aren't THAT better (Though I admit he is faster).

His flight speed isn't that much better, though. Both can hit escape velocity speed with quite an ease.

I was not aware that Namor could hit escape velocity... I was under the impression that he could reach speeds of mach 3 or so, but not escape veolocity. I'm sure you would know... Has this been shown on panel?

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by H. S. 6
First of all, I'd like to see some scans backing up what you're saying. I've never seen Namor "on the ropes" with Silver Surfer, and the only conflict I saw with Hulk was the two of them speeding at each other underwater, hitting into each other, which sends them both hurtling backwards. Hardly a fight.

Avengers #3, Namor beats Hulk
Tales to Astonish 100 Namor keeps Hulk at bay
Incredible Hulk v2 #118 Namor beats Hulk

I could go on big grin

Originally posted by H. S. 6

Additionally, ABC logic isn't all that reliable. You don't see someone say, "Rhino has beaten Spider-Man, and Spider-Man has beaten Firelord, so Rhino > Firelord," do you?
I'm aware of the fact, but you missed the point of that statement completely. I'm saying that Namor is getting downplayed because of a few low showings. People tend to forget his higher ones

Originally posted by H. S. 6

On top of all that, Iron Man is way too versatile for Namor to handle.

I bet people said the same thing about Thor eek!

Originally posted by H. S. 6

All he really needs to do is trap Namor in a magnetic field and pound him with some repulsor rays.
Ask Magneto about how well those fields work against Namor

Originally posted by H. S. 6

Iron Man wins.

Maybe, but he's not getting the majority.

H. S. 6
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Avengers #3, Namor beats Hulk
Tales to Astonish 100 Namor keeps Hulk at bay
Incredible Hulk v2 #118 Namor beats Hulk

I could go on big grin


I'm aware of the fact, but you missed the point of that statement completely. I'm saying that Namor is getting downplayed because of a few low showings. People tend to forget his higher ones


I bet people said the same thing about Thor eek!


Ask Magneto about how well those fields work against Namor



Maybe, but he's not getting the majority.

Honestly, without scans, I can't judge those fights, so I'll take your word for it.

Namor breaking free from Magneto's magnetic fields sounds incredibly iffy. And barring that, I have a hard time seeing Namor breaking through Iron Man's when even the Hulk couldn't (and this was a long time ago, before Tony's many upgrades).

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
It's not. Oops, guess I recalled wrong.Originally posted by H. S. 6
He wasn't. He said some words to Namor, but it was Namor who started the fight, and Iron Man flew straight into the ocean (CIS at the very least). Originally posted by Scoobless
Yeah ... since when does the second or third smartest super hero on the planet think it's a good idea to try to avoid Namor by going underwater?

That was dumb. He was punched into the water.

snoopdogg
Can somebody post the whole ordeal?

BTW Namor can fly at 7 miles per second?

Soleran
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Can somebody post the whole ordeal?

BTW Namor can fly at 7 miles per second?


Yes because he has a secret technique he uses similar to his hand speeds in crafting art, he just flaps them as fast as he can sculpt! Sheesh!

jinzin
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If we take all Namor's speed feats into consideration, IM's reaction times aren't THAT better (Though I admit he is faster).

His flight speed isn't that much better, though. Both can hit escape velocity speed with quite an ease.

what has IM done to prove that his reaction times, reflexes, and fighting speeds are better than namors?

from what I've seen (though admittedly this would be in his old versions of armor) every time iron man's even got into it with quick street levels, they seem to edge him out in overall speed.

But I would say that Iron man's flight speed is times better than namor's, in new avengers he yanked sentry away from the collective and booked as over the earth's horizon line like he was superman, pretty impressive feat of flight speed in my mind.

In any case, i would assume that namor's overall power combined with his fighting speed, reflexes, experience, and superior fighting ability would put iron man on edge... unless iron man can use his suit in an innovative way, I don't see him dropping namor on average.

I'd like to see what his repulsors would do against namor CONSISTENTLY though, that's the only x factor that I'm teatering on.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Can somebody post the whole ordeal?
The Illuminati one?
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8489/newavengersilluminati17cj5.th.jpghttp://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1683/newavengersilluminati18jj8.th.jpghttp://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9969/newavengersilluminati19jr0.th.jpghttp://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2596/newavengersilluminati20ga4.th.jpghttp://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5536/newavengersilluminati21pa3.th.jpg

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by jinzin
what has IM done to prove that his reaction times, reflexes, and fighting speeds are better than namors?

from what I've seen (though admittedly this would be in his old versions of armor) every time iron man's even got into it with quick street levels, they seem to edge him out in overall speed.

But I would say that Iron man's flight speed is times better than namor's, in new avengers he yanked sentry away from the collective and booked as over the earth's horizon line like he was superman, pretty impressive feat of flight speed in my mind.

In any case, i would assume that namor's overall power combined with his fighting speed, reflexes, experience, and superior fighting ability would put iron man on edge... unless iron man can use his suit in an innovative way, I don't see him dropping namor on average.

I'd like to see what his repulsors would do against namor CONSISTENTLY though, that's the only x factor that I'm teatering on.

Newest series of Iron Man comics have his reaction times at fractions of a second.

xmarksthespot
Average ordinary human reaction time can already be fractions of a second. erm

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Average ordinary human reaction time can already be fractions of a second. erm

When I say fraction, I mean an extremely small one. As in .0002 of a second.

Evangel94
The thing is, some of you are citing some really old comics for namor. Characters constantly evolve and you need more current scans.


In regards to the illuminati scan. Alot of dialogue goes unsaid in that brief battle. We don't know how much power iron man was using in his repulsors.

Since no comic book character ever has been ripped off Iron Man's helmet so easily, I can only assume either the armor was faulty in some way, Stark let namor take off the helmet (he probably knew Dr. Strange would rescue him and didn't actually want to fight), or it was somewhat unrealistic writing on the writers part.

Those scans are also show pre-extremis iron man. The new Iron Man is alot faster and way more powerful that was this scan demonstrates.
It's liked they amped up Stark to whole new level. Tony even has some sort of healing factor now.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
When I say fraction, I mean an extremely small one. As in .0002 of a second. Is that just a number you made up cf "centre of the sun" or does it state this on panel.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Is that just a number you made up cf "centre of the sun" or does it state this on panel.

Scoobless probably has the scan. I'm still looking for a place to get the series cheap.

jacobo0o
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
It's not.

Wow. This whole thread is taking Namor's low showings and Iron Man's high ones. Ridiculous.

Are we all forgetting that Namor has taken down Abomination, Hulk, and many other top tier characters himself.

He also had Thor and the Silver Surfer on the ropes underwater. eek!

So, yeah. Namor's winning this fight.

im also fought the hulk silver surfer and so on......

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by jacobo0o
im also fought the hulk silver surfer and so on......

I know that. However, Surfer held back on Iron Man. Also, Iron Man drained his entire armor to knock Hulk out.

Context defines meaning.

jacobo0o
im pretty sure ss hold back when he fought namor and hulk vs im fight was old crappy classic armor and now its the new extremis delux armor

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by jacobo0o
im pretty sure ss hold back when he fought namor and hulk vs im fight was old crappy classic armor and now its the new extremis delux armor

He'd still burn out everything to KO Hulk, and Hulk has become stronger since that encounter.

jacobo0o
im blasts hulk outta space

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by jinzin
what has IM done to prove that his reaction times, reflexes, and fighting speeds are better than namors?

There was a recent issue where IM literally killed Crimson Dynamo. The panels actually showed the fractions of the seconds of Tony's impressive reaction time and speed.

I don't think Namor could actually come close to matching them.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Can somebody post the whole ordeal?

BTW Namor can fly at 7 miles per second?

Yeah, or at least close to it. He has flew into upper layers of atmosphere in few seconds for couple of times...

Here is another shot of Namor taking repulsor rays btw.
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2789/namorfeat1111ip.gif

This isn't Iron Man's blasts, but pretty impressive, considering that Ultron's blasts have broken Hulk's bones before and Namor is barely fazed:
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5131/emperordoomgraphicnovel23pr3.jpg
(Ultron - pwnd)

As for Iron Man's reaction times, Namor does come close to matching them in his high level speed feats...
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,100333.0.html

nimbus006
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Can somebody post the whole ordeal?

BTW Namor can fly at 7 miles per second?

Its more like 7-11 km/s depending on the altitude. Either way, i did not know Namor could fly that fast. Its somewhere close to 16,000-24,000 mph.

DarkCrawler
This respect thread should cover all Namor's feats...
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,100333.0.html

nimbus006
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
This respect thread should cover all Namor's feats...
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,100333.0.html

Hey, I Believe you.

jinzin
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
There was a recent issue where IM literally killed Crimson Dynamo. The panels actually showed the fractions of the seconds of Tony's impressive reaction time and speed.

I don't think Namor could actually come close to matching them. like someone else said, human beings can move in fractions of a second... comic book perople are ridiculous when it comes to this kind of stuff... namor has sculpted a statue in a few short moments, so unless that IM feat compares and/or overshadow's THAT, then I'm still not convinced it's going to be enough.

his new reactions upgrades didn't seem to help him evade getting webbed by spiderman in the face, or punched, or help to land punches either... erm

didn't help him much against those hand ninjas either..

H. S. 6
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oops, guess I recalled wrong. He was punched into the water.

That's debatable, though. He had time to fire off repulsor blasts, but not to alter his trajectory and fly upwards? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Scoobless
Originally posted by jinzin
his new reactions upgrades didn't seem to help him evade getting webbed by spiderman in the face, or punched, or help to land punches either... erm

didn't help him much against those hand ninjas either..

That's because Spider-Man is still superior in speed/reaction times to the likes of IM and Namor

And that Hand thing was Pre Extremis.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by H. S. 6
That's debatable, though. He had time to fire off repulsor blasts, but not to alter his trajectory and fly upwards? roll eyes (sarcastic) He's depicted as being punched into the water. erm

Static images generally do not really give indication of the velocity of objects or people.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He's depicted as being punched into the water. erm

Static images generally do not really give indication of the velocity of objects or people.

Actually, if you look closer at the art, Namor was taking the battle into the water. Tony just made the stupid mistake of staing there. eek!

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by jinzin
didn't help him much against those hand ninjas either..

Spidey's reaction time is arguably quicker than IM's, but as Scoobless stated earlier, his encounter against those hand ninjas was pre-extremis.

And his extremis reaction time was quick enough to actually kill Crimson Dynamo.

snoopdogg
Wouldn't this attack hurt Namor? That's if he could get it off on Namor.

http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img014xm9.jpg

And BTW who has the better speed feats? In flight.

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wouldn't this attack hurt Namor? That's if he could get it off on Namor.

http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img014xm9.jpg

And BTW who has the better speed feats? In flight.

It would hurt him, but he couldn't pull it off.

Also, the better flight feats go to Namor by a hair.

air beardey
is this iron man pre extremis?

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Spidey's reaction time is arguably quicker than IM's, but as Scoobless stated earlier, his encounter against those hand ninjas was pre-extremis.

And his extremis reaction time was quick enough to actually kill Crimson Dynamo. Being punched by Spider-Man doesn't really provide inference on Spider-Man's reaction speeds nor is it dependent upon them. Spider-Man initializes the attack, whether or not it connects is predominantly dependent on Iron Man's movement time (i.e. speed0 and reaction time combined relative to Spider-Man's movement time (i.e. speed).

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
It would hurt him, but he couldn't pull it off.

Also, the better flight feats go to Namor by a hair. Do Namors feats say how fast he is going exactly? Or can they be considered hyperbole?

Scoobless
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
When I say fraction, I mean an extremely small one. As in .0002 of a second.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Scoobless probably has the scan. I'm still looking for a place to get the series cheap.

The Crimson Dynamo fight?

01. http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img008nq5.jpg
02. http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img009gg4.jpg
03. http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img010ac6.jpg
04. http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img011lv2.jpg
05. http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img012wp8.jpg
06. http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img013eo1.jpg
07. http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img014ft8.jpg
08. http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img015ts2.jpg
09. http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img016hu5.jpg
10. http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img017rj9.jpg

The third scan is the one that I think you were talking about.... I just posted the others for the hell of it.

smile

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Being punched by Spider-Man doesn't really provide inference on Spider-Man's reaction speeds nor is it dependent upon them. Spider-Man initializes the attack, whether or not it connects is predominantly dependent on Iron Man's movement time (i.e. speed0 and reaction time combined relative to Spider-Man's movement time (i.e. speed).

I stated that Spidey's reaction time is arguably quicker than Iron Man's.

Where did I state that Iron Man not being able to dodge some of Spidey's punches is indicative of Spidey's reaction speeds?

Scoobless
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
I stated that Spidey's reaction time is arguably quicker than Iron Man's.

Where did I state that Iron Man not being able to dodge some of Spidey's punches is indicative of Spidey's reaction speeds?

I'd say that Spider-Man is still the faster of the two.

(spoilers for Amazing Spider-Man #536 & Civil War #5 coming up)

http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civilwar5008uc5.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civilwar5009ix1.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman536004ut5.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman536005al2.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman536006eo9.jpg

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by Scoobless
I'd say that Spider-Man is still the faster of the two.

(spoilers for Amazing Spider-Man #536 & Civil War #5 coming up)

http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civilwar5008uc5.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civilwar5009ix1.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman536004ut5.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman536005al2.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman536006eo9.jpg

Very nice scans.

But find it hard to believe that the webbing would dampen/block out the armor's sensors. And I don't think it was the punch that did it, because IM's been hit square in the face numerous times and his targeting/tracking system never went completely offline like that.

Scoobless
Probably a combination of both

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by Scoobless
The Crimson Dynamo fight?

01. http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img008nq5.jpg
02. http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img009gg4.jpg
03. http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img010ac6.jpg
04. http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img011lv2.jpg
05. http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img012wp8.jpg
06. http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img013eo1.jpg
07. http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img014ft8.jpg
08. http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img015ts2.jpg
09. http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img016hu5.jpg
10. http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img017rj9.jpg

The third scan is the one that I think you were talking about.... I just posted the others for the hell of it.

smile

That was it. Damn good fight.

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Scoobless
I'd say that Spider-Man is still the faster of the two.

(spoilers for Amazing Spider-Man #536 & Civil War #5 coming up)

http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civilwar5008uc5.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civilwar5009ix1.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman536004ut5.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman536005al2.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman536006eo9.jpg

Two things I noticed. First, in the scan when Iron Man is gloating about his safegaurds that he implanted in Spidey, he seems to be readjusting his helmet/calming his rattled head. Which leads me to believe Spidey hurt him with that punch.

Second. After Spidey webs his face and double-fist hammers Tony, you can CLEARLY see chunks of his armor breaking off from the blow. Spider-Man is stronger than we previously believed. It's entirely possible that he dislodged or caused the sensory apparatus to malfunction.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Scoobless
I'd say that Spider-Man is still the faster of the two. Now what would that imply with regard to Namor?

Innerhype
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Two things I noticed. First, in the scan when Iron Man is gloating about his safegaurds that he implanted in Spidey, he seems to be readjusting his helmet/calming his rattled head. Which leads me to believe Spidey hurt him with that punch.

Second. After Spidey webs his face and double-fist hammers Tony, you can CLEARLY see chunks of his armor breaking off from the blow. Spider-Man is stronger than we previously believed. It's entirely possible that he dislodged or caused the sensory apparatus to malfunction.

Chucks of Iron Man's armor breaking off from Spidey's punch...

Now I sure we all know that shouldn't be possible but isn't it boggling how Iron Man appears to be using different armors in these two events that should be taking place within moments of each other?

Evangel94
I'm sure the artist used an "artistic licence" when it came to drawing Iron Man getting it. It was just used to add a dramatic effect to the punch.

Innerhype
Originally posted by Evangel94
I'm sure the artist used an "artistic licence" when it came to drawing Iron Man getting it. It was just used to add a dramatic effect to the punch.

And "artistic continuity" additionally

Howard_Jones
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Two things I noticed. First, in the scan when Iron Man is gloating about his safegaurds that he implanted in Spidey, he seems to be readjusting his helmet/calming his rattled head. Which leads me to believe Spidey hurt him with that punch.

Second. After Spidey webs his face and double-fist hammers Tony, you can CLEARLY see chunks of his armor breaking off from the blow. Spider-Man is stronger than we previously believed. It's entirely possible that he dislodged or caused the sensory apparatus to malfunction.

Well, he was supposed to get an upgrade on everything after The Other, which everyone seems to have forgotten. no expression

Also, Iron Man has stated numerous times that Spider-Man is strong enough to break the grip of the armor, and what he did to Titanium Man earlier in the series as well.

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by Evangel94
I'm sure the artist used an "artistic licence" when it came to drawing Iron Man getting it. It was just used to add a dramatic effect to the punch.

Agreed.

When I saw the pic, the first thing I thought to myself was, "Damn, Spider-Man absolutely nailed Tony!". Not once did I actually think, "OMG, Spider-Man just breached and destroyed Tony's armor!".

Also, the next panels don't show any external damage to the armor whatsoever nor any chunks missing from the armor. So there's nothing to lead me to believe that Spidey is strong enough to actually crack or even breach the armor.

Remember, Iron Man has routinely taken blows from the likes of Namor, the Hulk, and Thor.

It's just to add a dramatic effect to the blow, people.

Scoobless
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Now what would that imply with regard to Namor?

Nothing ... but I do believe IM is faster than Namor

Metalmanx
But even the fact that the artist decided to use this dramatic effect alone should at least hint as to how strong Spidey is. I mean, the artist wouldn't draw chunks missing from Iron Man if a little old lady hit him. By using this "exaggeration", it does in fact portray just how strong Spidey is, just by needing to use such dramatic effect. Does anyone understand what I mean?

Scoobless
Originally posted by Metalmanx
But even the fact that the artist decided to use this dramatic effect alone should at least hint as to how strong Spidey is. I mean, the artist wouldn't draw chunks missing from Iron Man if a little old lady hit him. By using this "exaggeration", it does in fact portray just how strong Spidey is, just by needing to use such dramatic effect. Does anyone understand what I mean?

Yeah.

He almost wrecked Titanium Man as well.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Spider-Man Vs Titanium Man:

01. http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman17530po4.jpg
02. http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman18530if7.jpg
03. http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman19530fn8.jpg
04. http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman20530de9.jpg
05. http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman21530ax1.jpg
06. http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman22530qf0.jpg

07. http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman01531nl8.jpg
08. http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman02531wl2.jpg
09. http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman03531wo8.jpg
10. http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman04531zi1.jpg
11. http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman05531dm6.jpg
12. http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman06531el6.jpg
13. http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman07531wk7.jpg
14. http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman08531wj3.jpg
15. http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman09531ax6.jpg
16. http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman10531dn2.jpg

Metalmanx
Exactly. You get my point, Scoobs. rock

Darth Vegas
Originally posted by Metalmanx
But even the fact that the artist decided to use this dramatic effect alone should at least hint as to how strong Spidey is. I mean, the artist wouldn't draw chunks missing from Iron Man if a little old lady hit him. By using this "exaggeration", it does in fact portray just how strong Spidey is, just by needing to use such dramatic effect. Does anyone understand what I mean?

Yes.

Hence......

Originally posted by Darth Vegas
When I saw the pic, the first thing I thought to myself was, "Damn, Spider-Man absolutely nailed Tony!". Not once did I actually think, "OMG, Spider-Man just breached and destroyed Tony's armor!"

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