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Gee, I'm just full of these tonight.

Are you pro-life, pro-choice, or pro-abortion?

Pro-choice. There, I posted it in the right place, for God's sake. What an idiot I am.

No, just a hasty reader....no prob
Happens to everyone.

I believe it is a woman's choice. Yet I don't frown upon those who say it is murder.

Why?

Because I wasn't put on this Earth to play God. Who am I to tell a woman it's right or wrong to have an abortion. That's why I'm pro-choice.

Ah...

spit it out, queeq

Hey, I'm not pregnant.

You have to have sex to get pregnant,queeq

Not these days. There's IVF, donors, extra-uteral pregnancies, rent-a-babies. You name it.

PRO-LIFE!!!!!!
so for those dummies here this means: AGAINST ABORTION

Why?

are you for death penalty yers?

Are you, yerss?

no

like a few weeks ago, someone admitted that he lied, and because he lied he saved his own life and his sister and brother-in-law died because of that

What are you trying to say with that?

In America, a few weeks back, there was someone that admitted he lied in the 50s. He said he wasn't spying for Russia and he said his sister and his brother-in-law were spies, they got the death-sentence, and now he said he lied about it

So that's why you think a death penalty is never right?

partially,
you see, how much it's prooven someone did something, years and years after that it could be proven that they didn't do a thing!

Yes, so? There are also people who got terminated because they did actually commit such a crime. Do you agree with that?

yes, and they were also certain about that example I gave...

why do we have to commit the same crime as they did? You would expact that we should give the example and show some humanity

It's still not very clear where you stand, though. Are you for or against the death penalty.

against

Glad we cleared that up.

I'm pretty sure that you could see my opinion when you read my replies

Not really. You took one case where things went terribly wrong. One "mistake" doesn't necessarily make a whole concept wrong. So it was not clear and now it is. Thanks.

that was just one example that I knew about, rest assure, there are more then only that one

So if a 13 year old girl is raped and gets pregnant as a result of the rape what then? Should she be allowed to take an abortion or must she she it through until the birth of the child?

that's something different

As far as other people go I am pro-choice.

If it was my own child I would be against an abortion, but would HAVE to respect the choice of the mother. On the basis that Mandy is Pro-Life as well then that works out.

HOWEVER, if there were overiding medical reasons for an abortion, such as risk to life of the mother or serious birth defect then I think abortion is an acceptable measure. By serious I mean something that would mean quality of life was seriously compromised.

well, in Belgium, if the mother is in danger (if she can die while giving birth) so that's solved (the law also states that if there is something wrong with the child, something big, abortion is allowed but no obligation)

Abortion is legal for pretty much any reason in the UK.

I think I'm in the same boat as RC...

I don't think there's anyone who's really Pro-Abortion..well, other than some immature person who thinks that it's some kind of answer to overpopulation.

Dim, there are a lot of people here and therefor a lot of opinions, so there could be persons here that are pro-abortion...

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned, and it is a touchy one.

What about Abortion after Rape? There was a case of couple of years ago that made the headlines in the UK.

A teenager was raped and because of the strong Catholic feelings within her family and community she was forced to go through 9 months of pregnancy and give birth to the child, ehich then went up for adoption.

In my mind that was wrong.

And to top it all she had to give evidence at the rape trial whilst carrying the offspring of the man she was testufying against.

Look, I managed to bring three threads together in one...

ratcat, you are good!

well, she got pregnant against her will so abortion can be given her

I am MASSIVELY against the death penalty for any reason. I want no part of a socieity that thinks ending a life is a judicial solution. That says terrible things about said society, if that is all they can offer.

Meanwhile, I am pretty much pro-life... which is odd, because I would not, for example, obstruct a girlfriend/wife of mine if she wanted one in a 'bad' situation, or a friend who had gotten into difficulties. So that makes me seem rather pro-choice, but I'm not. I'd rather there WAS no choice, but while there is one I will respect that.

As for not having the 'right' to tell others... well, of COURSE we do! We say plenty of things are wrong. Murder, theft, arson... some people may not think they are wrong, but society DOES have the right to say that they are. And the same can apply to abortion- it doesn't HAVE to, but it can.

As far as I am concerned, I don't KNOW if abortion is murder or not. But I refuse to take chances with a human life! While there is doubt I think the safe option must ALWAYS be taken, and the rights of the mother do not go as far as possibly killing a child.

If we can ever actually PROVE where life begins, one way or another, it will be a LOT simpler.

So I am afraid it is the same with the rape scenario. I'm sorry... I wish we could make it so bad things did not happen. But we cannot, and while it may ruin a person's life that is nothing to the act of murder you COULD be committing by abortion. Even a rape victim does not have the right to kill another to restore her life to normal.

It MIGHT not be murder, I know. But I stillt hink it is too great a risk to take.

Of course, abortion in cases of medical emergency- where the survival of the child is impossible anyway- is different.

last time I checked abortion was KILLING a foetus (ok, sorry 'bout my English, this isn't exactly a term you use in the lessons)

Killing is ... ... killing, that makes you a murderer
(and I can't stand those)

NOt sure where that came into it Ush?

Yerssot, that was my point, spot on. I am surprised though that some would still say that the child should be born. Strange.

Incidently the girl I referred to was 14 when the Rape happened and 15 when the child was born. How the Catholic faith was able to justify it's actions in this case is beyond me. That poor girl will probably be scarred for life, both physically and emotionally.

it's murder but in SOME cases it can be correct though (like your example)

I'm supposed to be Catholic, so I know why they reject (well, everyone knows this actually):
Moses gave us the ten commandments, and for Christians it's very important to follow them, because they give you the right to get in Heaven.
The third commandment is (well, don't know the exact English translation): Thou shall not kill

And like I said, abortion is murder, and therefor they don't do that
(I remember that example you gave, it was one of the main raisons they changed the abortion law in Belgium)

There are other examples of religions things that turns out to be wrong (for the person that is involved or the opinion of the others)

I agree, abortion is murder....hence my stance as pro-life.

If a girl is raped and gets pregnant....I think that even though it'll be rough...she should have the child b/c God has given her that life ( the Child) to raise....or at least have.

There are plenty of people out there who would be willing to raise a child.

The fetus is a human.....as such it should be respected as a human.

if you are religious, this is the part where adoption kicks in I guess

Death penalty got mentioned a bit earlier, RC, that's all.

it has now a seperate topic, mind you all

OK Ush, got ya. Must have missed that.

Hey don't bring order to these threads. It's embarrassing, for me at least.

ehh that was my question to Yers a couple of posts before you posted this RC

and then I said that I'm against abortion but that there are certain things that are acceptible for me.
Rape is one of them

I don't care what other women decide about abortion, cause its their life, but I could never, ever abort my own child.

And yes, queeq, this thread has been on topic way too long.

Oh Gundy, you're the only around here who understands me.

takes one to know one

Yup.

Ush. If your girlfriend or wife was raped and was found to be pregnant with the rapist's child. How would you feel? Could you look at her every day with that clear head? No!!! It would slowly eat away at you. But how does SHE feel?

Didn't know that Ush was against it...
I thought he was pro-choice...

Feelings of a victim are not a very sound basis for legislation IMHO. I refer to my post in the Death Penalty Thread.

can you repeat that one then please?

Indeed, feelings aren't good when making a choice that involved death

The way a victim feels after a crime is not a sound basis for punishment legislation. It would mean you only act on revenge, not on justice.

That's true, if we want justice to happen, we have to give it a chance

Give what a chance?

justice

and justice is an eye for an eye.

I dispute that. Eye for an eye justice is deeply flawed.

And AGAIN, DJ, you are wrong. If my girlfriend of wife was raped I would NPOT be happy about possible murder to do something about her unfortunate situation! And this time, you are talking about possible murder of an innocent, Inconceivable! That would weigh on my mind, if I supported it. far, FAR more!

I abolsutely would not support such an abortion. But while choice exists I would not try to stop my partner form doing so.

Ush, are you saying that if your partner was carrying the bastard child of her rapist and she wanted an abortion then you would NOT support her in the decision to abort the pregnancy?

That would be compromisng my values. I believe it is wrong. What are you asking me to do, change my mind just because someone else thinks different?

But when I say I would not 'support' it, I just mean that I would not think it was the right thing to do. I wouldn't put myself away from said partner or anything, or refuse to comfort her, and so on.

SOunds morally strong to me, that.

finti, eye for an eye... and you aren't religious?
start reading the thora and the ... what's the other book of the jews?

I dunnop Ush, I mean in a rape senarios it is not the fault of the woman who was raped, and true it is not the fault of the potential child but at that stage of pregnancy that is all it is, a potential life.

To expect any woman to go through 9 months of pregnancy with a child concieved of a rape, maybe from a complete stranger, is not something I could possibly do.

It is a sentence in itself, for most women I would think.

If you can't say that you could offer 100% support for a decision like that, well, IMHO that would speak volumes about the quality of the relationship. Sometimes we have to compromise our beliuefs for the greater good.

But that is just my opinion. Non of us can truely answer this aspect of the abortion question unless we've been through it and that is NOT the kind of field research I would want to undertake.

Greater good? And who'll be the judge of that?

RC, do you not understand? I think it may be MURDER! You say it is omly a potential life. I say that has not been proved one way or another. I am very much afraid that murder is what it is.

At that point, my partner's feelings be damned. Murder is no solution.

If someone gave me a gun and said if I shot a random person then my partner would be ok, I would not do it. If someone gave HER the gun and asked the same, then I would yell at her not to do it, do everything in my power to stop her from doding it.

Abortion may well be the same. Destroy a life to improve your own. And I say: NO! NO! NO!

Well, that is part of the question isn't it.

I would suggest that a bunch of small, as yet unformed, cells in the womb have a lesser value than the sanity, welfare and health of a woman who has been raped and had the pregnancy created against her will, probably in a violent and painful way.

Remember, in this time of instance at leasdt, we're not talking about a 18 week old fetus(sp) here. We're talking something that may be no more that a few days formed.

In fact, I believe that rape victims are offered the so called 'morning after pill' as a matter of policy if they want it in order to stop unwanted pregnancy after rape.

Yes, I agree. And I don't think it's a matter of greater good. It's a way of finding a way to deal with a hard situation like that. And wiping out life like that does not take the pain away. Although it would be hard to always "see" what happened. Yet, at least by letting the child get born and raise it with love, something good can grow out of it.

The problem is, as I say, is that I don't know. I really don't. I mean, what if it is? What if I support such a decision and find out later that it WAS murder? I couldn't handle that.

I wish it was proven one way or another. Then I could make a decision without having to feel a bastard about it. Either way, I seem to be screwed.

Ush, easy to say in theory, not so easy to do in practise I think.

It's very easy, as a man, to be high and moralistic about it, and I do see what you are saying, but I would be very interested to here some of the opinions of our female members on this subject.

I'll refer you to what I just said above, which I assume wasn't there when you posted.

And I believe this is an area that it is very important to be moralisitc about. If that IS a life then there can be no question- no abortions.

Is that very realistic? I would suggest that the type of woman who would be willing to bring up the offspring of her own rape is a very rare type indeed.

It is easy as a man to say that, but then we don't have to go through the 9 months of labour with all it's discomforts, Nor do we have to endure the process of birth.

I don't think he said it was easy. But he likes to stick to principles, no matter what happens. That's why they are called principles. Changing your ideas to whichever way the wind blows doesn't sound like very strong views on life. No offense, it's just my HO.

And read carefully RC: SOMETHING.... CAN.... These are opportunities, opportunities that are not there when you abort the child. But of course, it's your choice.

Heck, no. It would be an arse of a situation, and there would be a good deal I would do to try and take it away from my partner. The whole thing might well send me mad.

But I would NOT risk murder to make it all better again. Absolutely not. If that is the decision that is made then I would want no part in it.

All in all, there is no easy way out of a situation like that.

'If it is Life'

A very good point. Define life. Everything, from the lowest single celled creature is life. We exterminate germs by the billions when we put bleach down the toilet, that is life.

The trick is to define the level of life. The 'standard' definition used today, I believe, is that true life is created when the first synaptic(sp) nerves start to fire off in the brain stem. The brginnings of brain activity.

I may have that wrong, mnedical sciences aren't my strongest point.

However others, such as yourself I am gathering Ush, believe it may be sooner. It IS a grey area I know.

All that aside, the product of a rape is not a mistake, it's not forgetting to use a condom, it isn't the 1% of pregnancies caused by a failure of the birth control pill, it is an invasion of the body by a criminal act.

Personally I would support the abortion of a child concieved of rape, conversely I would aslo support the decision to carry that baby to term. Either way if would never be my decision, but I would support whatever decision was made. As a loving partner I eblieve that it would be my duty to do so.

Not all children are born out of love. Should they all have been killed then?

No they should not, that was exactly the point of my second to last paragraph.

Still, if their mothers had not wanted them, should they have been killed?

adoption perhaps????

I already said no, why repeat the same question in a different way? It doesn't change the answer.

You are totally missing my point. I'm not making a judgement on whether the child that is produced of rape whould be abort. I am not qualified to amek that decision in any way, shape or form.

What I am saying is that if my partner was in that position then I would support her, no matter what she decided to do.

However that stance is specific to the rape situation only.

In general I am against abortion unless there are overiding medical reasons for aborting the pregnancy, as I discussed earlier.

well, your wife/girlfriend could have another opinion and ofcourse you have to respect that! And it's only logical to be suportive!!

How would you know if you are wanted? I mean,... ... if your parents tell you suddenly: you know... we never wanted you, we just had you because our parents obligated us...
what would your reaction be?
That reaction you will have will be your real opinion...

by Yers.

Do you belive this was a religious invention, it has been the way of the world since the dawn of man, it is just in human nature to seek revenge.
It also was the Viking way if one of your kin was killed you were allowed to seek revenge through killing the "killer" and noone would judge you for it. No one beside the kinman of the "killer" who now were allowed to hunt you until the the warlord or the king said enough is enough. If they did so no vendeatta or bloodrevenge were allowed.

But then much of that reaction would depend on the relationship you haad with your parents prior to that revelation.

Not all parent/child relatioships are perfect.

Actually, the "we don't want you" thing is the clincher. As I said before, haviong such a child and raising it with love can at least have possibilities of it being turned to something good. Whatever happens, the child itself is NEVER to blame - not for it getting killed in the womb, not for being rejected in life. It's not kid's fault, never!

But I agree with RC that this kind of thing is very rare. VERY rare. I find it strange that debates on death penalty, abortion, euthenasia etc. are usually taken to extremes to justify it. "What if you were in a very very bad situation like...." That's no real way to seriously debate it, because extreme and rare circumstances become the justification for many more and very less extreme situations. I think that's odd. Here we go justifying abortion by using the example of a rape victim getting pregnant. But that's not daily practise. The real reasons for abortion are usually that someone gets pregnant in a one night stand, because they weren't careful enough, because it doesn't fit in a career plan, because women don't want to be a mother etc. etc. A news programme here in Holland tested an abortion clinic if they could get an abortion just because the women said she was going on a holiday. There was no problem in getting one!!
So yes, I agree with Ush: don't risk the change of killing a human life. And look at the reasons: they are usually very selfish. You want the sex but not the natural result, which is a pregnancy. I say: you do that, but if you do get pregnant, face the consequences.
I think one of the problems around sex in relationships and with stuff like abortion is that sex is seen apart from procreation, as if these have nothing to do with each other. But maybe I'm just old fashioned...

some people are not fit to be parents, what do you suggest? sterilisation

Fit? Hmmmm.... there is no training or education for that you know. I think it's more a matter of not WANTING to be fit for it. So in that case, yes, why not. If you want to be childless, why not sterilise, it will prevent a lot of moral dillemmas.

so heavy drug addicts should get pregnant and that would be ok.
in my mind they are not fit at all.

Well, that's another dilemma? That's defining if we as a society should or must judge whether someone is fit to be a parent..

The case I was talking about is that people who say they don't want kids or find themselves unfit parents should perhaps let themselves be sterilised, at least that'd be fair. Otherwise if one DO get pregnant, others will have to solve the problem, we as a society must solve the mother's problem by agreeing as a democracy that you can have your foetus removed. That sounds like the pleasure for not-to-be-mommy and the burden is for society.

In the case of drug addicts that's a bit more tricky and dangerous. Because, where do you draw the line. You may start at drug addicts, but what is it that you delcare them unfit parents for. For the use of drugs itself? Why not then people who smoke or drink alcohol?
For being unaccountable most of the time? And then how do you define unaccountable? Tricky area, but I get your point. Quite a dilemma.

well, the mainproblem there is when they are high or they don't have enough money

No Yers the main problem is the drugs they take affects the unborn as well.

sorry, forgot that...

indeed that's true, what I said was for after the birth...

Both are problem areas.

Are you for or agianst it. i am agianst it. how about you?

Sorry, i dont see how this has anything to do with Philosophy so moving to GDF.


Anyway, yes, im for abortion. Woman has the right to choose if she wishes to keep the baby or not.

For abortion. For more reasons than stated by Lil Bitchiness, but that is one of them.

well...if you're a guy...you have no right to state your mind on this matyter. because...you'll never bear and give birth to a child.
in my opinion. Women are entitled to abortion if they need it. i don't consider it a crime. but...even if i were against it (which i am not), i would NOT blame a woman for resorting to that. it's her own decision.

and no..i don't think the man in the relationship has much of a word to say on it once she made up her mind. The emotional changes are really more intense on the female side...because..as a man..i'll never give birth to anything

i am just anti death that means war abortion capital punsihment all that.

Dexx>> i resent that^ if i am the father i'd say i have as much bearing on this decision as much as the woman who is to bear my child. i respect a woman's right to choose but to say that i have no right to state my mind in this matter is ri-g@ddamn-diculous. what she bears in her womb is my seed and i want to keep it. if she doesn't want any part of it, i will take care of the child and i will take care of her while she's pregnant.

I AM the father of this child and i do have the right to state my mind...

but i would say the ultimate choice would be hers... and it would come with heavy persuasions and desuasions.

I agree with the ATHF guy. manchichtit or something... The father does have a say, but the ultimate decsion is the woman's.

Pro-Life of course for any reason even if it's a rape case i seen someones post in here asking about that. That child could be a blessing even tho that happened.

Death Penalty--- has anyone seen movie: The LIFE of DAVID GALE?? it's a good movie and it's about, you guessed it DEATH penalty--- it's very shocking, and i agree w/yer statement on, You never really KNOW all the facts in a situation for the death penatly to occur.
People do lie, i was watching a program the other day, where this lady and her husband had been in prison for 17 years (well actually the husband was executed so he was in there that long) finally that lady over heard guards talking and smarting off that her husband died and didn't even committ the crime, they later found documents, where the authority knew this but hid the info...it was the officeers involved in the case that actually did it. Yet, it didn't bring her husband back or her life back that she loss and her kids that didn't have a mom for 17 yrs. Now thats horrible.

Even if it was a rape?!

You cant be serious! A mother has to look at that child for the rest of her life and remember the experiance of some man raping her!

Some women cannot bare that, you know.

And there isnt only an issue of rape, what about children with serious illnesses and mental disorders? Would you bring a child into the world you KNOW is going to be retarded? I dont think so.

Not only that, but the child would lead a life of suffering anyway, if the mother can't provide. yea yea, that stupid argument about foster homes and shit, but there are not too many people who are actually happy to be in foster homes. On top of that, if you give the child away, he starts to feel like he is unwanted.

Why would you purposely make a child suffer?

If a woman couldn't handle it, cuz yeah to some it would be unbearable, then why not put it up for an adoption? Why kill the baby cuz of the rape? It's not the babys fault, the baby is innocent. I don't thk it's fair to kill the baby. I do believe it's murder, you can feel the heart beat at 18 days i thk, it's been awhile since i've read "the diary of an unborn child" anyways..the baby is alive and growing. I just disagree w/it. even if known birthdefects.

yes yes yes.....i don't mean that the father has absolutely no bearing on the fact. However... family discussions are always welcomed as well as decision made together. but we know that happy families aren't always the case..so that's oi universally valid.

what i'm saying is that the woman should have the bigger part of this decision.

i do thk the man has a right, I mean we couldn't have kids w/o the man, even if you go to the dr to get it put in you, it's still used from a man.

Even with birth effects?

Like already said, why would you purposly make baby suffer? Thats pretty selfish you know.

Im against the murder, of course i am, but the world you living is black and white, the real world, fortunately isnt so.

No, i don't thk everything is just black or white. My question to you would be, what did that baby do to get killed? (rape)?

But there are so many other things that could be wrong with the mother if she had the child. Sometimes the mother doesn't know how to put a child up for adoption or they wish to keep the child. But they don't always have the money to help raise the child right.


I believe that a person should at least have a choice to do what they want, because not everybodys beliefs are the same so the choice should still be open for those who think it is right. For those who do not think that abortion is right, then they will not take the abortion road.

To me murder is murder, how can you kill a baby, alive being w/a heart beat, body starting to grow, i just thk those other things are trival when it come to a human life.

so you guys are saying you would rather die rather than being in foster care.ok

I just believe the choice should be there for those whose beliefs arn't effected by this

I dont see why anyone she be given the choice to kill.

When do you believe when life starts?

when you take a pregnacy test and it says positive, when YOU know you're pregnant. It's a life in your growing in you. What if ...this is to everyone that believes in abortion: what if your mom would have aborted you?

Personally I don't think life begins until you are out of the womb. Until then, you are a developing fetus inside the body of a mother organism, if you want it the hard way. But I still think there should be a hefty reason before even making the decision.

well, to me a heart beat is proof of life, seeing hands, fingers and toes grow, is proof of life.

I do agree however, if you take away all the circumstances, it should not be done.

Wonderful. One less life leeching off of the planet. 6 1/2 billion people are destroying the planet, an abortion here or there won't do much. 3 people are born every SECOND. You believe in heaven right? Wouldn't you just go straight to heaven if you had been aborted?

Death in this case should not be seen as a punishment, like you said "what did the baby do to deserve death?". it did nothing to deserve death as a punishment, but instead as a release from the highly probable pain and suffering it would endure because some asshead couldn't keep his dick in his pants.

If you are against the death penalty then you should be against Abortion . a babies heart ,beats within the first few days of conception, within a month a baby is seen through a sonogram. an Abortion is a willing choice to destroy a life any way you look at it. I guess since the death penalty is legal, It is ok to allow Abortions, i mean you cant pick and choose what kind of Executions you allow, just in this case, one of the two being executed has not done anything wrong, but be born from a couples mistake.

Well then here's a good question for you. What is the baby when it is half of the way out of the womb?

was that aimed at me?

No, just an exaggerated open point.

Okly dokly!

There are alot of people out here that would love to adopt babies, if someone doesn't want one. I see no reason someone shld be allowed to kill for anyreason.

you are talkin about the Rosenburgs they were hardcore Russian spies they were totally guilty.

Well now there is a perfect imorale reason...stem cell research. horseshit.

Pro Life

Pro death sentance.

all life should have a chance but if they prove to be monsters..... then may God have mercy on thier souls.

But there are more kids then people wishing to adopt

so, your answer is to kill? I don't get that, I would love to adopt a little girl, but i don't have $10,000 to do it.

neither do alot of other people who would love to adopt

well, the people that want to give them up, can look for a family to give them to, thats not a reason to kill.

if it wasnt so hard to adopt a child then maybe there wouldnt be such an abundance of orphaned children. there are so many hurdles to go through for adopting children. you dont need to be rich to raise a strong child. you need love and sensibility. There are thousands of children that are waiting to be adopted, there are tens of thousands of adults wanting to adopt children, adults who have the means and are strong people, but only a few thousand and sometiems a few hundred children get adopted, while those tens of thousands of adults wanting to adopt wait years to get the aproval to adopt a child.

have you seen the movie: the life of David Gale?? you shld rent it if you haven't it's about the death penality

Yeah i saw it. however i dont think it does anything to put down the death penalty. I think it shows how corrupt and unrelying the justice court system can be.

How about a movie about all the bastards who get away with murdering people and don't get the death penalty... believe me there are far more cases of that.... unfourtunetly..... corruption is bad but many use our flaws as a shield for the true criminals.... we are afraid of hurting the innocent and they just laugh at us from behind bars

life behind bars is worse than death. why dont you educate yourself on the findings of the law students from chicago. they got like 50 death row inmates off because the went back and found evidence that they were innocent

saying life behind bars is just an opinion. this is somthing that would differ from person to person. the officers who are present for executions say that no matter how hard the inmates act, in the last momments fear comes to them all in an overwhelming way not only for the criminal but also for anybody present around the inmate. Besides death row is a different way of living,than living a life sentence. Death row is solitary confinement in most prison systems through out America.where as lifers can mingle in a prison society and have the same rights as any other prisoner, but prisoners on death row have very different rights. the waiting to be put to death is all apart of the death penalty.again, your remark doesnt say anything against the death penalty, but bashes the reliance of our court system.

fine i find all forms of killing wrong wwjd

You are kidding right?

I'm all for abortion

When is a fetus considered a fetus?? Do you consider a heartbeat to be a child, or is it a child when the brain begins to develop? I don't know, myself. After conception, without interference, there is only one end result.

Whether what we believe is right or wrong, I believe that abortion should never be illegal. I am pro-choice. Unless all politicians are women, and they vote 100% to make abortion Illegal, it should never be.

Firstly, if it were illegal, they would still be performed anyways, but they would be done in dark alleys, and uncleanly facilities. In that case the women could become seriously ill, and die.

Secondly, it doesn't matter what we believe is right or wrong. Any woman who has an abortion will have that on her conscience her whole life. Whether it is right or wrong in her circumstances us up to the Lord to decide. Not us.

you mean God makes people have children by arranging a rape? why not just arrange for them to fall in love? sorry, but that's pretty vicious.

it's in our constitution, perhaps in yours too?

illegal here.

Hmm... I think I am pro-choice... I dont agree with abortions per-say but if the couple involved is unable to take care of it, then I dont think they should bring a child into such a household. However, I also think giving it up for adoption is a good idea, as you make people who are unable to bear children very happy along with not having to have had an abortion