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I was watching News 24 this morning.

What are your opinions on the situation in the Russian school with the Checyen rebels? ((i apologise if I have spelt it wrong.))

The situation in Beslan


And, I wanted to know - has this actually reached America? Is it on American news?

yes it has.

si. i saw it in todays newspaper

i hope are govt helps some how.but are govt is ran by dickheads

i saw it on the Russian channel. insanity. the Checyens are going to far. Helpless kids. i think 8 children died. or maybe 7.

Russians are gonna attack....thats all i know.

preach it brother

stop trying to get on my good side

A lot more than that!

The current death toll is 320 ((give me a sec, I'll find out how many are kids))

ok, but that wasn't targeted at you...

"155 of the bodies so far recovered were children"

****ing a holes praying on innocent kids to advance there agenda they are the true definition of scum

wow!! 320!!

i watched it yesterday and it said only 7 or 8 but maybe it was referring to children.

insanity. Checyens are going to far.

ah this pisses me of are govt is the most powerful on earth and were justing sitting here on are asses.people are more worried about what happened in 1968 that what is happining right now.not to mention the whole sudan ordeal.save the kids you stupid ****s.

dont just think Russia is in bad conditions...alot of countries are.

i know.and we spend all time in iraq which was bad no doubt but nothing compared to sudan.if me and you lived there hockey we would be killed simply because were teens

Armenia has a stupid ass president...
same with other countries...there are alot...

ill try to remember

but im too hungry

thing reminiscent of the holocaust are still going on

Hopefully the silver lining in this cloud will be that russia realise the true power of terrorism...which could lead to an actual united world against the terrorists

That whole incident is beyond horrific.

I think we as Americans are very lucky that nothing like that has happened here since 9/11.

But its only a matter of time before they pull the same thing over here!

How do you all manage to spell Chechen wrong

Updated News

And it's now 340
My mother was reading a whole bunch of Russian newspapers

one thing I'm sure off...when you're in russia and you get taken hostage by terrorists, your chances of survival are EXTREMELY low!
the army always does a full frontal attack and shoot everyone who moves for some reason

and they never ask for aid .... ... we offerred a lot but they refuse.... the only thing good about the Russian method is no enemy survives to tell the tale and they are totally beaten to a pulp if they do.

they really need to make a sad yes smillie

Chechen

hmmm Chechyen

yea its Chechen lol

yea Russian army is like that. too dangerous. like yerss said chances of survival are very low.

and yea we need a sad yes smilie

yeah, even for the submarine (forgot the name) they refused it till it was too late.
I believe when elections are going on or perhaps a few days later when they know who the new president is in that place, there will be a new bombing

exactly the British and the Americans were sitting and watching the rescue crews try in vain to save them

Terrorist forces know that they can effect national elections ever since the Spain incident .... perhaps Russia will get a new President more open to action

Kursk was the name

... that was what?........... 3 years ago?

how u remember the name?

poor kids cry

darn russian pride, when it comes to human lifes, every nation should look past pride and try everything possible to save them. Just like now, I honestly believe this whole thing could have been solved with almost no one killed if they had asked for help!

I have to disagree there,... they already knew that before Spain, that place just to the right of where this situation happened has been bombing and killing their presidents for some time now (too tired to remember the "startdate" exactly )

It's history
I'm obsessed

And it was four, happened in August of 2000 I believe

agreed. it was kursk for 100%. i don't know date. but 2000 it possible.

shock

nice. you have good memory.

When it's important I do

Russians have Chechen hostages right? the russian channel said they have i think 10 hostages but im not sure...

ah, chechen? totally different spelling here

are they still alive? cause I doubt they'll be for a long time..

terrorists were occuping some school, and russian police came in a lot of ppl got into hospitals cry

i still dont know the correct spelling of Chechen? Checen?

czeczenia

The people are Chechen, the country is Chechnya
Not difficult

so i was correct

this needs to be stoped

horrible

Heres the thing. Russia, annoucned that this is the weakest they have ever been,and this will change. See the Russian people are different from the armerican people in the sense, when they say there gonna do somthing, they DO IT. Russia had nothing to do with alkeda. Yes they were attacked, this shows insanity that terrorism has over us all, that there are checs linked to alkida makes it more personal and world wide to every nation. The Russian's will most defenantly strike back on someone, anyone. The Russians are not like us stupid americans, they stand behind there country and hold there morales and virtues close to there heart. hey believe in there leaders, thourgh thick and thin and show no shame, but honor when they have been proven wrong that their leaders werent all they were cracked up to be. The Russians wont be taking any prisoners and putting panties on their heads, they will just torture them to death. And the entire country will agree with it because they got what they deserved for causing terror on innocent people.

the Russians dont need the Us. The Us dont need the Russians. If the Russians were to ask for our help, we would respond in lightning response. However, there should be no assumption that the US is by any means obligated to assist in any way. They diddnt bother assisting during 9/11. Which is fine. they were sorry, and we are sorry. they will handle this their way, just as we had to handle it our way. However Russia actualy has some loyal countrymen so it will go over alot better,and more swiftly with and iron fist for them. These travesties have to stop. they are picking on the right countries to make them be stopped. I can tell you that much. However, if a certain candidate gets in office in the US no names mentioned(kerry) the Us will lose all its balls in decesion making, and our country will slip into a socialist country in front of our eyes,just as it is now.

russia

but that nationalism country pride that russians have is a big flaw at times.

yeah i thought i would leave that little aspect out of my rant but shit if i included it,what fun would that speil have been, right?

Extrodinarily true

some very valid points made there RagesRemorse. A good read, kinda got me thinking.
Being British our media is concentrating on Bush throughout this campaign. After listening to your remarks on Kerry i would love to hear more of your opinions about him as i know very little. Is there a thread you could point me to maybe?

That was horrible, absolutely horrible. Children are the puirest things on this planet, and these people destroyed that innocance and purity in survivours.

They shall recieve no mercy. They have already sealed thier coffins.... i do not care if we ruin ourself searching for them they must be destroyed or there is no future no matter what.

What really pisses me off is that the news says like 5 secs worth of stuff about the Hostage situation.... even though 350+ children died yet spends 90% of the news cast repeating the same thing over and over about Clinto .... i respect he's important.... but..... comeon .... his operation is like in 3 days..... who cares? .... its routine anyways....

these were acts of cowards...

See, i cant even repsect the fact that he is imporatant. Who gives a flying frick about an ex lieing presidnet who cant seem to un stick his face from media camera's. This guy is worse than a damn cockaroach, atleast roaches leave you alone in the daytime, this insect never goes away, and can never die. I beliieve Bil clinton is immortal, and will one day will controll the entire universe, Untill he is exposed to be a lieing corndog who got it on with a ground erchant and is banished into the burning core of a sun.

Yeah the news doesnt like to tell us important things, only in sparactic blurbs. you have to stay poseted on CNN to get any kind of facts, but even then it is all biase,twisted bullshit.

Even then, not a real countries. Part of Russia, and Russia will screw it over if it really does want to secede.

Go Ruskis!

Not a real country is correct. they bought the land from the Turks after the Armenian genocide. bastards

russia

This whole thing sucks. It was their first day of school, for gods sake.
I understand that no matter how many ppl will be sacrificed (just like it happened with that submarine), the russian government won't give up their pride. Couldn't they make an agreement or sumtin, instead of shooting everything that moved in that school ?
I thank god that kind of sh*t doesn't happen where i live.

man i never knew that terrorist could sink so low as to actually hurt children, what ever sympathy some people had for the people of Chechnya is gone now.

I just hope are special forces here are better equipped then the Russian special forces.

You crazy THe russians get about a liter of Vodka before a fight and their like Craaazy! If someone goes into a melee fight with them.. Oooh I dont want to be them..

The American Media really needs to focus on this, and it isn't... as usual.

God yes i barely get anything threw the radio.... ..... TV spoke a grand total of 20 seconds in the past week..... this single event is going to change everything... all the rules.... all the actions in how we treat the terrorists.... there are no more negotiations.... and anyone willing to talk with them is a lying bastard who should be shot along with them... the only way this will end is with thier blood.

Did anyone see the news today? The children are absolutely terrified to go to school throughout the whole of Russia

Dudes I was in russia for the month and I was the wole time in russian school there is nothing wrong! I have a friend in Russia..

In August I was in Russia. THIS august.

I would be to cry ........... God i can't wait... this is going to turn the Russians to helping us and we will really start wipping them out

Americans? Wiping out russians? Ya crazy? Russians defeat hitler while the stupid Americans (No Offense) Sat in their little american not even peeking. THey only went out when they saw that Russians were under berlin cuz they were afraid RUssians would take over..

wipping out terrorists dude....

thats what we are talking about ... the Russians helping us go after the terrorists.

the russian channel gives lot of info droolio

but most of it is just repeat.

Well actually, The Americans did in three weeks in Afghanistan what the Russians couldnt achieve. the Russians fdiddnt defeat hitler. It was a combined effort. The russians continued to send out death squads after the Nazi's but it was still a combined effort from the allies to win world warII. However, the American force did give leverage to the allies from taking heavy losses.

you cant say one army is better than the other. the soldiers/generals etc etc change throughout time

well i just thought i would point that little fact out. I mean from someone calling the US stupid Americans for actions in world war II, when it was the US that rebuilt Europe, and Achieved what the RUssians couldnt. Actually i just fired back becuase he calledme a stupid ameirican.

Hmmm...A few points

1.) The Russian military of the 1981-1981 Afghan war is essentially the same army they use today. Except for aircraft such as the SU-37 they operate the same weapons and tactics. Russia today has a very powerful army and should not be underestimated. They lost 15,000 in Afghanistan while the Moslems lost 2.4 million. Russia was just very unstable at the time hence the leadership did not exist to execute the war in the right way (the way America did it in October 2001)

2.) The Russians did most of the work in WWII. The Anglo-American forces faced some 600,000 Germans while the Russians fought 3 million. The best German troops were also in the East. And 9 out of 10 Germans killed in WWII were killed by Russia. As for the "Death squads" They did exist. However that was during desperate sieges such as Leningrade. Most of the Russian army operated excellent equipment such as the T-34 tank, the katushya, and Il-26 fighter. The T-34 was the best tank of the war by the way. By May, 1945 when the war was over Russia had the most powerful army in history. Not a single army today came anywhere near the power of the Red army in 1945 (if you put modern weapons and technology in proportion anyway).

3.)Unless you're stupid you can see that I'm Israeli. The Moslems here have been killing children and such since the Sadat declaration in 1973. The best way to deal with terrorism is with massive retaliation. The assassination campagin currently underway by the air force here has stoped almost all suicide attacks except for that one a week ago. By the way before the bus bombing a week ago there was not a single suicide bombing for over 7 months within greater Israel.

4.) Such an action as seen in Beslan could not be repeated in America. There are no significant Moslem populations near America for that to occur and because such an operation would call for dozens of armed terrorists with some heavy equipment. You could not smuggle that unseen.

SU-37 is the best operational fighter to date because the F-22 is not fully ready ... In actuallity the Russians had better leadership then then now.... Russia lacked the air power we have during that time... they still lack a powerful enough bomber like the B-52 and the US Stingers during the Russian Afgan conflict wreacked havoc on the Mi-6 Hinds and the Havocs

The best tank during the war was the King Tiger and the Sherman M5 with the 120mm cannon and improved armor at the end of the war... it proved itself by taking a king Tiger head on and blasting a hole in it from the front. The Russian army was US supplied during that time and like 30% of thier ammo was US made. The only thing the Russians had was thier numbers and thier supply trains were already at full limit and they were using captured German fuel. Porportianally the allies were better trained and better equiped then the Russians ... along with the fact that the US had the atom bomb monopoly for at least 7 years. no numbers could sustain a atomic attack and Rusia would have been smashed by the overwhelming airpower of the allies.

3)

4) it is possible to smuggle and buy arms rather easily unfourtunetly into the US.... its a little harder now but it can be done.

Indeed. Its a part of russia, and it pisses me off when they call them Checnyan rebells, they are not rebells they are terrorsts!

didnt most of those terrorist organizations purchase weaponry from russia? (Ak-47's (or probably a higher serial number now) and other variants along with explosives and such)... So russia is all the sudden gonna join the war on terror now? heh..

Ex-Soviet hardware is cheap and abundant... all third world nations were basically given access to a yardsale during the 70s and 80s and a blowout sale when the Soviet block collapsed... Sadam's entire army was of ex-Soviet design... so is China's.... Therefore terroristt use AKs because you can get em for $30-50 bucks

Actually some of Saddams more recent weapons were French...Anyway almost everyone uses AK-47s. Even the Israeli special ops. I think I've heard that some 100 million were produced.

Very true many of the guidance systems for thier SAMs were French and German The new model long range missle he was about to deploy that was causing so much controversy was French he was not suppose to have it