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These guys are truly a legend, in fact gods. Anyone who disagrees with me on this needs to be put to death.(seriously)

CAKE! Not pie..!! Cak.. oh wait.. wrong thread.

a legend

but an overrated one at that

^agree

*hangs Darth Raven and ElectricBugaloo*

^ disagree

- this word "overrated" (which i see a lot at KMC) doesnt mean anything. Rated by whom? We have no consensus because some people think they suck and some think they are as gods. Overrated just means that you think some people like them more than they should - but it's still subjective, they are only considered overrated by you so it's not a value judgement of any kind.

It dont mean squat.


CAKE!

What we mean by "overrated" is that quite a few people seem to think LZ are the greatest band ever, which is not true. Another example is Nirvana, who are idolized to the point of stupidity by the mainstream media, especially the good folks at the company that owns MTV/VH1.

And nobody is claiming that this is the absolute truth, we are fully aware of the fact that our thoughts are opinions only. As are yours.

Sorry - my thoughts are LAW. LAW!!!!

Didnt mean to single you out - I just keep seeing "overrated" said about music and movies here and i finally snapped.

Yes Nirv and Zep and POTC etc etc are overrated, but that has no reflection on their actual worth. Which in the case of Zep is - well personally i think they are a little overrated.

Led Zeppelin are gods yeah,but that doesnt mean i think they're the ONLY gods around. Nirvana is up there too and Ozzy still ROX MY SOX.

Ozzy only made four good albums and that was when he was in Black Sabbath.


Nirvana isn't in the same pantheon as Sabbath

Ozzy and Nirvana really aren't all that great. If we're going to get into gods... Tool and Trent Reznor are gods.

Led Zeppelin is way overrated. Mainly because Jimmy Page was a ****ing plagiarist. The Who owns the shit outta them

the who are overrated.

****ing Right.

funny, i disagree

No shit.

I wouldn't say they were that bad - just overrated.

oh- wait... my mistake.

Quadrophenia is better than anything Jimmy Page could come up with-i mean steal

yes - we get that you are analy obsessed with the who. now hush.

id argue, but that is true.

aint into conference league bands, we were talking premiere league here

Quadrophonia is one of my least favorite Who albums, I actually find it a bit weak at least compare to Tommy

yea you really have to listen to it a few times. once it grows on you there is no turning back

I actually find that The Who are chronically underrated. They are superior musicians to LZ and other bands, have great songwriting and an energy that most bands can only envy.

and i didn't really like Quadrophenia either, and i've listened to it dozens of times.

led zeppelin influenced every rock band in the world. that is a fact. other than zeppelin, the only other bands i could call gods are :-
1)queen
2)sabbath
3)ac/dc
4)van halen
5)metallica - they influenced a lot of people
6)nirvana

no they didnt, Jimmy Hendrix was hard rock and he sure as hell werent influenced by Zeppelin
Purple and Zeppelin shared a mutual respect and inspiration for one another even though Purple went onto a harder and faster sound.

As for Sabbath they were influenced of the likes of The Who, Jimi Hendrix, the Yardbirds, Cream. They have never listed, as far as I have seen and I have seen most of the documentaries that exist of Sabbath, Zeppelin as on of their influences

If we are going to talk about underrated and underappreciated hard rock acts, lets talk about Trapeze. They made three with two very good albums before bassist/vocalist Glen Hughes left to replace Roger Glover in Purple

*Jimi Hendrix


but Sabbath and Zeppelin were two totally different types of hard rock music. Zep were closer to commercialized hard rock while Sabbath were just dark and brooding heavy rock. Sabbath was actually formed about the same time as Zeppelin, and if you look at their albums there is pretty much no Zeppelin influence.

Hendrix was a great guitar player before Zeppelin was anything more than that band with members from The Yardbirds.

And on the influence thing again, don't make me get the list of songs that Zep stole from blues and folk artists.

and also, i am refering to bands after zepellin etc... during their prime, sabbath were alongside zepellin. jimi hendrix was also at the same time

Jimmy Page pwned Pete Townsend with a guitar....and Townsend's no bum.

2 of my favs, but Page playing th reverb on Dazed and Confused is an astonishing thing to see. (got the DVD.)

yeah, but at least Townsend wrote all his own material.

nah The Who covered Sumertime Blues

obviously every band has covered a song or two, but the amount that LZ took without even crediting the orignal artists...

I was just kidding with ya EB, I know what you were aiming at

Page taking songs from other lesser known bands, and from his previous groups doesn't change the fact that Zepplin kicks ass.

He may have taken the songs, but Zepplin always did their own thing with it.

So if I took a Zeppelin song and did my own thing with it I could call it mine?

according to linkalicious' reasoning, yes

cool, think I am gonna make a cd and call it Physical Graffiti II

No, i said lesser known band. Otherwise you're just some Led Zepplin wanna be.



no, that would be according to your understanding of my reasoning. Not according to my own reasoning.



You both talk as if no bands or artists have never taken music that was not written by themselves. Sorry guys, i fail to see how Page's plagiarizing makes Zepplin's music any less great. It's still great music.


Oh and on a side note, finiti, if you can take a Zepplin song and make it into something better than it currently is...then sure why not, go ahead and call it your own.

so we can only steal music from obscure bands?

yup....that's the American Way!

I suggest stealing from lesser known nightclub bands and high school bands playing at talent shows.

That's the way to go.

they're british and stole music from poor black artists.


i find that despicable--give them the recognition and royalties, you'll still be rich

true...true.

But much like the rest of history....who really cares (or cared) about the blacks?



yes i'm aware of how bad those comments sound, but at the time the plagiarizing was done....blacks weren't given the same rights as whites.

I like Zeppelin regardless the accusations of plagiarizing

i just dislike them because they are british






that's a joke folks, calm down

well yah...there's THAT about them...

but sometimes you have to look past the fact that 99.9% of British people are stuck up and snobby and just look to the fact the music they performed was great.

Huh. well I really like it because it helps me when i am angry. It's probably better than anything Page could write on his own anyway

any of you guys gotten into theRaveups? they sound totally like zeppelin! It's amazing! anyway turn up the fuzz! I foudn them at google - theraveups - all one word

these guys set records, they invented genre's, had a style all of there own and changed history musically to be what it is today.

Also arguably the best band in history ( i say yes)