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There's a law in Canada, that when a sex-offender leaves jail, and goes to live in a half-way house or etc. the authorities aren't allowed to release the fact that he was a once a sex offender to the public based on human rights laws.

Now me and my friends were discussing this the other day in debate (I'm a dork ) and I'm a firm believer in the need to tell the public. I think it's only fair we be informed, because alot of these people re-offend, and it's only fair to put the public on alert.

However, some people say that it wouldn't be fair to the person, who may have made one mistake his whole life, and he shouldn't need to pay for it his whole life, and they believe that it's only fair they be given a second chance.

What do you think? detective

It's a law in the US, I believe...and I strongly support it; sexual offenders often repeat their abuses, and political correctness aside, I'd sure as hell like to know if there's a convicted pedophile or whatever running around my neighborhood. People get too worked up about being polite and what not, when it's just common sense to keep your children safe as opposed to keeping your neighbor's criminal record secret or not

i really dont know what i think!
i see to both sides of the story!
i think if the person has done it more than once, then yes, the public should know.
but if its their first time (and they're at least acting sorry for doing it) then the public shouldnt be informed.
yes it is a dangerous thing, but what if the person had been under drugs, drunk, or just going through a tough time in life. i know it's their own fault that they raped the girl (or man ) but i think everyone deserves a second chance.

like i said, if theyve done it more than once, or arent even sorry for it (for example if, when they get put into jail, they say "i dont care! once im released ill just do it again" or some crazy thing) the public should be notified!

I completely agree, there's such a thing as being too politically correct

I mean say that you have a child, and he\she goes playing in the street alone, I would like to be aware of where they should be allowed to go or not go, I don't want them getting friendly with the wrong people

I disagree, once they do it the second time, they shouldn't be released into the public for life.

I mean the third time could be something much worse.

usually, it's that second time when someone ends up dead if that didn't happen the first time, obviously...

i really would like to know, especially if i have a little kid. and it is actually mandated by law here in the US, to disclose the fact that the individual is a sex offender.

That's why I believe we should be told, it's only fair.

Since alot of these people are mentally unstable, I think if you are willing to do it once, you will do it again, of course there are exceptions to the rule, but still, generilzing that's what I believe.

ah yes! second time, person stays in jail for life
i agree with that

how long are they in jail for the first time anyway?

I think it's anywhere between 3 months to a few years depending....

not long enough.

depends, really...on the exact charges and what not, but anywhere from 10-15+ years

I'm thinking about some of the more serious things, mind you

for rape? i think it should be at least 5 years

just think though, how horrible jail would be! its just the same old boring things every day!
who knows why people would do stuff to acctually go back in there (mind you, who knows why theyd do the stuff in the first place )

I meant things like kiddy porn . I feel dirty for just writing that
But obviously the higher up the offense the longer the term, but if it's anything short of murder, they will eventually get out

If I knew there was one living in my area, one wrong look at my kid, and I would be calling the police

i think people should be in jail for at least 10 years for that!
its horrible

I meant technically, they shouldn't be in the vicinity of a minor, alone after they are released, if they are found, I think they should be locked up for a long time

now that is a good idea! make sure theres someone (not just an odinary friend of theirs. some like a cop or something) with them when theyre with youngsters.


who knows how the people will know if theyre with a child in the first place though i dont think someone following them arround 24/7 would be too fair.
or maybe have that for a year or two

well, rape in the US has a sanction of 20 years to life (i'm basing this on the bryant case) or 20 years to life in probation... i guess it does depend on the offense. but in my opinion pedophilia, one time offense earns you life. which wouldn't really pan out since they hate child molestors in jail. somebody would probably kill him.

Well they're allowed to go places right, I think they should be under survelience, one wrong look at a child, and they should be hauled back in, there's enough crime in the world without devasting our children too

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are you serious?

now, why would you wanna leave him with a minor? and every person that interacts with this individual has to know that he is a sex offender i.e. employees, neighbors... so his introduction should be lke this... "hi, my name is . i have been labeled as a sex offender by the state of , and would likely to repeat offense..."

and you're suppose to say "hi, you should rot in hell-- i mean welcome to the neighborhood..."

yes
this year, in april
i can scan the article from the paper in if you want? i kept it

wow, thats so sick

did i say i wanted the person left with a minor?

you never think it'd acctually happen to someone you know until it acctually happens to you.
you just think its something that happens in the movies, or in other countries.

this guy brings shame to australians!

Seriously though people should know, and I mean certain jobs should be off limits too
Like day care work and stuff

oh definently!
and teachers.
this guy who did the thing to me, he lives near a primary school

i didn't mean you personally. i was generalizing. i doubt your gonna be like "you're a sex offender? okay... have a twelve year old..."

whoa...are you serious? what a f*ck

i try not to tell people.
theyd probably think i was looking for attention

Absolutely, ST. It's a law in the US that when a child rapist/molester is released he must inform his neighbors that have kids of his past crimes. I absolutely agree, the people in the neighborhood have every right to know of possible dangers that could arise from an unstable neighbor.

Hell yes, what the hell is wrong with humanity? It's bad enough I cringe when I hear about crimes/rapes/whatever form of crime period, knowing it gets in the paper from my hometown is worse.

On topic though, hell yes there should be SOMETHING available to show that Mr/Mrs/Miss/whatever the hell whoever has moved in the neighborhood at whatever address, and was a convicted sex offender.

Without question the people around such a person have the right to know.
If I remember correctly, about 73% of sex offenders repeat their crime.....

They definitely should be informed. The offender could still commit a crime, even if it's on a smaller scale, like upskirting as opposed to rape. Upskirting is still a crime, and there's a whole thing going on here in Aus about camera phone usage in changerooms and stuff. Its just sick!

Misha you edited your post before i read it but judging from the reaction it got it was pretty bad. And you could never be an attention seeker to us, we love you!

EDIT: Upskirting is when someone takes a picture of your legs or whatever using some sort of photographic device... mostly a camera phone.

people do that here in aussie? cry
SHAME ON THEM schmoll

uh yeah it was a personal thing. as the people who were in this thread at the time i didnt mind posting too much, as it was related.
but i edited because im still not ready for the world to know my little secret

Yeah, not just in Aussie i think... I wouldn't be surprised if it happened in other places too.

And d/w, I understand *hugs Misha*

hug

Of course the public should be informed (and alot of these offenders deserve to be executed)

Please do not point guns at us.

They should get the offender to see a shrink, who can then determine to "within reasonable doubt" wheather he or she thinks the person will reoffend. And they can play it from there.



I presonally think the public should be allerted. No matter what.

i think if it was no more then rape, the first time, then only neighbours at the most should be allerted (like i said, if they act like theyre sorry)
its not fair to not give others a second chance cry

when (god fobid) its you ro your children getting raped. I dnot think youll wanna give the creep a second chance misha. If anything youll want him dead.

Quite so

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hmmmm, don't think so personally.

Its a good thing that youre like that misha. . It really is. But sometimes the good way isnt alway the right way.

And therefore not the good way?

that may be so, and ive learned its not always a good thing.
but ill live (maybe)

Good and Right are two different things.

hmmmmmm......

You ought to be gald that Australia is not quite such a Hell-hole as the UK at the moment.

whats going on in the uk then?

You don't want to know (it may exceed the PG-13 rating)

doesnt everything on kmc?

Two days ago police discovered a pedophile syndecate operatin in AUstralia, consisting of a scout master, a teacher and child psychologist and some other bastards, so dont tell me bout hell holes

poor poor australia cry

brings shame to the country i love schmoll

Indeed.

pretty f*ked up huh?

I think the public should be informed. Especially when it comes to peadophiles.

I know labeling hasnt always worked, but i still think its better alernative.

I like the way it's always "he", as though women can't be kiddie fiddlers

if i had kids i would like to know. but as much as i beleive Pedophiles should be killed neway, i can understand that they cant release their details for their safety

statistics at work

If you dont like it - vote for someone who says the law will be changed if they get into power. Wont happen. Wonder why? because no political party will ever do that because they KNOW that the ******* knee-jerk response to shit like this will cause more trouble than they could ever deal with.

Should we be informed?
Yes.

I dont care if it was one mistake.
The sex offender is just going to have to deal with it.

Or move to Canada!

This is outrageous, **** human rights, what about the rest of us

Dont worry sil doll!
The only sex offender you have to worry about is............a blind one! winkiss

SMACK! diva

In my book if you screw a child you should lose your rights. You should also be put in jail for the rest of your life. It's not like it's difficult to avoid having sex with kids.

This is one of the few crimes where I feel it should be one strike, and you're out.

At least I'd have one winkiss

actually yea, sod killing them...leave em to rot in jail, solitary confinement.
pedophillia is lowest of the low, on par with murder imo

Actually the governement just passed a harsher law on child porn here

good - more power to them.

However you wont see any political party advocating a published sex offenders register - because they know that People Are Stupid and cannot be trusted.

One of the few such double standards that could work in the male's favour - you might get out of having to share a room if you have PTSD. Women are not supposed to find each other triggering

Cept there's a loophole

I think chemical castration is the way to go as well as notifying the public. It depends on the situation, but for repeat offenders, I'm all for chemical castration.

i think they should tell us... we have a right to know who were safe and not safe around... just cause they did their time in jail dont mean they wont do it agian

exactly what i thought hysterical someone said to me something 'blah blah he' and i cacked myself

think we should do something like in a clockwork orange.....so that whenever a pedophile thinks of a child sexually he has unbearable headaches, or seizures or sumthing. lol

including themselves

morning misha

indeed it is
damn birds outside my window woke me up at 6am!
so i tried to get back to sleep, eventually did at 7, when a damn crow landed on the tree outside my window!
caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-caaaaaaaaaaa


so i went onto my balcony, got a cumquat (sp?) off my tree and threw it at it

misha - for once in your life... stay on topic.

df02 distracted me
sorry irene!

anyway,
i dont see how you guys cant give the public a second chance

dont blame this on me....



well, like i said....if the pedophile is being released (dont beleive any pedophile should be allowed out of jail, ever), but if they are....i can understand why their whereabouts cant be disclosed, you'd get ppl hunting them down and terrorising them

The person might get all smug and do it again

dont you think people get a second chance?

i beleive at least 10 years in jail, then let free, and as irene suggested, maybe have someone around them for a year to see how they go

The person might get all smug and do it again

That's worst case scenario. I'm a pessimist

yes but that person could also be affected by the borningess of jail ninja2

Maybe he or she went psycho in jail from boredom... even more of a reason to warn the public!

shut your mouth smartie!

Muahahaha Misha

I can understand the appeal of that

Have any of you ever known a sex offender? the one I met was 13 he had been abused his whole childhood (heck he was still a kid) well they are trying to put him in jail and throw away the key. He needs counceling not jail time (he abused at 11 -- and just now went to trial)

I'm sorry but I don't much believe in such grand second chances

which grand second chance are you talking about?

Letting these people go completely free after a few months in jail, if someone is so willing to do it once, chances are they'll do it again. They should be branded for life, and have to live with the guilt, instead of being let of completely free after a term in jail.

Does that "no second chances" apply for all criminals or just the ones you feel strongly about?

Depends on the situtation more, but mostly for criminals who abuse children in any way.

are you hinting at something here zero?

I didn't know 11 was old enough! What exactly did he do? I'd say that if a child commits a severe crime they should receive the same penalty an adult would.

most sex offenders have been abused themselves or suffers from mental disorders. it's been proven that if only people who feel the need to molest a child have been given the opportunity for anonymous talks and later professional therapy, many of these will never develope into paedophiles (example from a uk project.) also children who have been molested should get better help.
but then again, this is a way to avoid (most) people turning into child molesters. I'm not quite sure how to deal with them when the crime's already happened, since surveilance and life time imprisonment's just too expensive to be realistic.

maybe there should just be more dull, rusty knives involved in their sentence ....