"There is no gene for the human spirit"

This is the tagline for the film Gattaca by Andrew Nicoll.

It got me thinking... what IS a person's spirit or soul? Is there even such a thing?

Is someone's 'soul' a tangible thing? of course not...

so... if I was to be cloned, surely my spirit could not be cloned also?

Can a person exist without a soul?

scary stuff...

Devil I have no idea what you want to discuss here

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
This is the tagline for the film Gattaca by Andrew Nicoll.

It got me thinking... what IS a person's spirit or soul? Is there even such a thing?

Is someone's 'soul' a tangible thing? of course not...

so... if I was to be cloned, surely my spirit could not be cloned also?

Can a person exist without a soul?

scary stuff...

oh god. i'm confused.

Well we have no proof that we do have a soul but we have no proof that we don't..anough said really.

Actually, whilst the film had that tagline forced upon it- along with a godawful trailer- the only similar comment made in the film is far more reasonable- that there is no gene for Luck.

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
This is the tagline for the film Gattaca by Andrew Nicoll.

It got me thinking... what IS a person's spirit or soul? Is there even such a thing?

Is someone's 'soul' a tangible thing? of course not...

so... if I was to be cloned, surely my spirit could not be cloned also?

Can a person exist without a soul?

scary stuff...

To answer your last question; my opinion is, no. However, you have to follow me down a strange path, to understand why I say that. I believe that all things have an entity (kinda like a soul). Even rocks trees and stars have entities. All things in the illusionary world around you extend from the nothingness and have a soul that connects it back into the true reality.

Actually their may well be a number of genes for the Human spirit😄
We may be differentiated a bit like insects

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/berman/P4S1.htm

http://www.ifgene.org/heaf3.htm

etc. etc.

-Kuntz 🍺

soul and spirit concepts are merely ways through which man kind confirms it's desire to prove itself as unique and ireplicable, when it fact it may well not be so at all.
and when mixing gene pools into it...i guess time will tell.

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
This is the tagline for the film Gattaca by Andrew Nicoll.

It got me thinking... what IS a person's spirit or soul? Is there even such a thing?

Is someone's 'soul' a tangible thing? of course not...

so... if I was to be cloned, surely my spirit could not be cloned also?

Can a person exist without a soul?

scary stuff...

The soul is about our individuality, ego if you like, but its more than that.
I think that when you clone a person you only be cloning her body, not soul. The genes carry information only about the body, they can tell anything about our soul ! Think in twin brothers, or sisters, they´re natural clones and doesn´t share the same soul. To share the same soul, means be the same individual. They are just two different people who resembles each other. There is no thing like that movie 6th Day where ppl cloned themselves when they died so they could "live again". They will be dead, but a new person who looks like them will be created, and maybe that person thinks that you and her are actually the same.

I'm not sure if there is such a thing as a soul 😐
A lot of people think that a person's personality, and nature reveals their soul.
People are so unique because the brain is mostly influenced by a lot of things, like experiences 😬

I don't find myself to be a religiouse person, but i do belive that some religiouse ideals are plausible. Certain ideas within Buddhism and Hinduism seem to fit into my scientific thinking. I have since come to the conclusion that if I could find some scientific (or reasonable philisophical) backing to the existance of the soul, that it would be easier to find a balance between my scientific side and my spiritual side. So, is there any actual proof that the soul exists, or is it simply a tool used by the religiouse machine to suck inocent people into its money hungry grasp?

Plato, drawing on the words of his teacher Socrates, considers the soul as the essence of a person, as that which decides how we act. He considered this essence as an incorporeal occupant of our being.
Aristotle, following Plato, defined the soul as the core essence of a being, but argued against it having a separate existence.

Originally posted by Superfly4000
I don't find myself to be a religiouse person, but i do belive that some religiouse ideals are plausible. Certain ideas within Buddhism and Hinduism seem to fit into my scientific thinking. I have since come to the conclusion that if I could find some scientific (or reasonable philisophical) backing to the existance of the soul, that it would be easier to find a balance between my scientific side and my spiritual side. So, is there any actual proof that the soul exists, or is it simply a tool used by the religiouse machine to suck inocent people into its money hungry grasp?

The soul is an interesting thing. Buddhism has the term entity which is like a soul but not.

If you look for a soul, you will not find one. However, you are more than just you, you belong to a greater group. We humans, all together, act as a unit, just think about inventions; how many time are there more than one inventor for an invention. It's like the information of this invention is ready to be found and more than one person does it.

Every organization of energy acts as a unit. I call this an entity. I am the incarnation of my entity, and this could be called a soul. The big difference is, I don't own my entity, my entity owns me. I am not at the center of my own universe.

Firstly, I applaud that you have a curiosity for spirituality. It shows your mind is full of questions, and you're willing to look. That's potential for a great person.

But you need to rid yourself of thise false idea of religon. Religon is out to get us. Guys aren't sitting around at church rubbing thier hands together, scheming some way for us to be afraid and resenting of them. If that were the case, the church would not have withstood the test of time..

I'm going to be frank with you, evil exsists. Evil is a very large field, but it is weak, and it can easily be countered. People are afraid of "Satanists" or "black magick" and these things do not exsist. Any "Satanist" is just a pathetic little man who feels inaddiquite and wants to use the evil to make himself feel important. Because we asscosiate the devil with fear, manipulation, and raw power.. Clearly someone who doesn't believe they have any sortof power would need seek the devil..

Evil is a peversion of good, the abscence of it's teachings and discipline. Just as darkness lacks any sortof light. When you feel bad, you feel a sense of lacking don't you? A sense of emptyness? THAT's evil, the lack thereoff.. That's why I believe athiesm and agonosticsm is a far more dangerous mindset then "Satanism". Because they live thier lies without purpose and the will to question and aswer. They lack the spiritual drive and are empty inside.

But about your question, the soul. What is the soul? The soul is what you make of it. It's your's dude, your energy, your persona, your emotions, your life. It's up to you what a soul is or is not. Just don't make the mistake of thinking it's not. You're too "good" for that.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Firstly, I applaud that you have a curiosity for spirituality. It shows your mind is full of questions, and you're willing to look. That's potential for a great person.

But you need to rid yourself of thise false idea of religon. Religon is out to get us. Guys aren't sitting around at church rubbing thier hands together, scheming some way for us to be afraid and resenting of them. If that were the case, the church would not have withstood the test of time..

I'm going to be frank with you, evil exsists. Evil is a very large field, but it is weak, and it can easily be countered. People are afraid of "Satanists" or "black magick" and these things do not exsist. Any "Satanist" is just a pathetic little man who feels inaddiquite and wants to use the evil to make himself feel important. Because we asscosiate the devil with fear, manipulation, and raw power.. Clearly someone who doesn't believe they have any sortof power would need seek the devil..

Evil is a peversion of good, the abscence of it's teachings and discipline. Just as darkness lacks any sortof light. When you feel bad, you feel a sense of lacking don't you? A sense of emptyness? THAT's evil, the lack thereoff.. That's why I believe athiesm and agonosticsm is a far more dangerous mindset then "Satanism". Because they live thier lies without purpose and the will to question and aswer. They lack the spiritual drive and are empty inside.

But about your question, the soul. What is the soul? The soul is what you make of it. It's your's dude, your energy, your persona, your emotions, your life. It's up to you what a soul is or is not. Just don't make the mistake of thinking it's not. You're too "good" for that.

Who are you talking to? Please use quotes or call the person by name. If you are talking to the person who started this thread, I would give one response. But if you are talking to me, then a totally different reply would be forth coming.

Soul is about our true identity, or essence and it could be difficult to get the idea, but if I prefer to understand it as the immutable part of us, that what identifies us, and even if you change something entirely, there is something which always remains the same, that is the identity, and the soul.

Soul is philosophical, and you must understand it intuitively. Soul existence arises from philosophical problems like the problem of identity, but soul is something that you must understand intuitively(you cannot prove it by deduction, you must postulate it). To find what soul is in science, first one must know what soul is, and understand the need of its existence philosophically, then you try to find that in science. Don´t try to define soul by what is know by science, know what soul is( in the mystical and religious way) and then recognize that in science.

Are we talking what people call a soul or a spirit...or are you thinking they are both the same thing.....Soul, for me I think is what makes us all individual personalities type thing....It's part of the Spirit kinda thing...It's apart, but yet has individual qualities.....If you believe reincarnation, I think it's the soul that has the learning experiences, while the spirit is more of a connection to the "The One"....or Entity type thing....Some feel that the soul has contracts to fulfill in each life time...ie experiences for growth...things that were preplanned but not remembered by us...Planned by us...Not for our condemnation, but for a looking back on it once you die, and learning from what you could of done better...No Karma though....

so is there no scientific proof, or even theories that can possibly conclude that there is a soul? To me, the existence of the soul is the core element that all religions are build upon. If it could be proven some how that the soul exists, then the spiritual world would seem more real to me than being a distant idea. I remember the jewish term of the 'divine spark'. Is there any proof of such a divine spark?

Originally posted by Superfly4000
Is there any proof of such a divine spark?

But to appease your question, yes there's slight proof. Our bodies run on electromagnetic energy, when we die, the energy vanishes, where does that energy go? Why is it when we die it immideatly escapes us? And is it possible for energy to have a conciounce thought?

that is my problem, i need proof first to have faith in something. faith to me is being blind to the world around you. Knowledge is the enemy of faith. If knowledge were to support faith and faith support knowledge, then i would be at peace.