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Why does Kerry and the democrats constantly bring up the draft as an issue, the democratic party is now so desperate it is trying to scare young folks like you and me. I think this is so ridicullous, it is nonsense, i saw on live television, one of the democratcs saying they voted for a bill to bring back draft, but a different version, that it is still your choice they don't force you to join millitary. Regardless, there should be no draft period, and the president said there will be none as long as he's the president, you guys should really take note of this patern by Kerry and his party. This is very disturbing, then he goes around the country blaming the president for job losses, i don't know if he was on pluto when we were brutally attacked by savages on 9/11. I was there on that day when the twin towers were destroyed by thes subhuman beasts, you had to have been there to feel the anger like i did, seeing it on television isn't enough. The fact is folks, or economy was crippled big time 9 million jobs lossed that very day, and the president took action against these savages and that's why i will stand behind him nomatter what diversion the Kerry people put out there because they're so desperate, maybe they can fool other americans, but i am different, and i beleive all americans stand behind president Bush.

Um...I think this might get closed for political gumf. We've learned by now that politics NEVER work well on KMC...

It's no dumber then Cheney saying that a vote for Kerry is a vote for terrorists, and that if Kerry wins there will be another terrorist attack.

Scare tactics. And if Kerry loses the election he is a Big Time Loser. Come on! losing to an idiot? His reputation will be stained.

As if it isn't already to alot of people.

FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go GEORGIE BOY!

And why do people feel the need to open millions of the same threads and in them talk about exactly the same thing - over and over again?

especially since the last president to institute a draft was a democrat!

This is a general discussion area, and generally speaking, the Democrats bring up the draft to get the 18 to 24 year old voters to move their chad pokers towards Kerry instead of Bush. I mean its the truth. Those are the people effected by the draft.

Politics is stressfull for everyone because "people don't always agree" -- Padme

"Well, then they should be made to agree" -- Anakin (The politics of the world require unrelenting patience and tolerance.) Uh HEM...so tolerate moderators or there is a problem with the world.

Maybe because Kerry was drafted and experiences the horrors of war himself?

I don't think Kerry saying Bush will reinstate the draft is entirely ridiculous. Obviously Bush isn't going to do it NOW, because if he did, he would lose the election for sure. But I won't be at all surprised if he gets reelected and does it then. "the president said there will be none as long as he's the president." Oh yeah, we should definitely believe him about this, since he's been so brutally honest about everything else his administration has done, and even MORE so in the last election.

What did Bush do during the last draft? Oh, he hide in the National Guard and stayed in the US. What did Cheney do? Oh ya, he was deferred 3 times because his rich father didn't want him to go.

I bet Old Georgie Boy is glad he's not young and in the National Guard now. His butt would be in Iraq. With other people that should be protecting our country at home and not fighting a war across seas. Oh wait, silly me, Bush is the one who sent them over there. Without him there would be no Iraq war...

Seems to me that Bush cares more about being re-elected then he cares about the young men and women dying in Iraq. Would he install a draft? Who knows for sure. Probably not now but I bet he was considering it until he heard what a backlash there would be. If God forbid he is elected I can't wait to see what little secrets he has in store for us. A no Country left behind bill? You don't like us we'll take you over...

kingcoot, glad to see you're bringing politics to where it belongs...


anyway, the draft is a very real possability.

we simply do not have the manpower for this task, dispite what bush says. he has already pulled troops out of unstable areas where our presence is needed and stuck them in iraq. the 'back door draft' is keeping our men there with no hope of going home in sight. they are the best soldiers in the world imho, but they are still only human.

we need more troops, it HAS to happen or we can just sweep iraq under the rug and wait for the next 9-11, except this time it will be a group of pissed off iraqis. so, where are these troops going to come from?

unless the u.s. can rally REAL support, no other nations
will join the cause and iraq will end up as another afganistan,
a tremendous power vaccume waiting for some fanatic freak to
show them the way to 'salvation'.

bush could easily solve this by swallowing his pride and taking a dent in his big fat ego, and go before the u.n. and ask for help, not browbeat them like he has in the past. however, i can see clearly that bush is not capable of humbling himself, as he is not even willing to acknowledge that we have a shortage of troops and resources. he has 20/20 blindsight.

look, i know kerry is full of hot air, as is ALL politicians. thats what our political system provides us. only those upper class silver-spooners with money and power have a chance of even making the ballot...garbage in...garbage out. its easy to point out flaws since bush has been in the white house calling the shots and kerry hasnt. it puts kerry at an advantage in that he has more ammo.

but imho, bush has f***ed up royally in every sense. from the moment he took office his head was not in the game. i refuse to BLAME bush for 9-11, i blame terrorists. however, there will always be the haunting possability that we may have been prepared if he and that assclown rice had read the damn report on osama bin laden.

bush is a functionless leader, and i have yet to see any solid accomlishments. everything he pats himself on the back for is not of his doing, or is bloated with dillusional optimism. example: 1.6 million dead-end minimum wage retail jobs is NOT the product of a rising economy...sorry.

im not voting kerry because i think he is going to fix the world. i just want leader who will at LEAST pay attention in more than hindsight after the shit hits the fan. is kerry the man? i dont know...but i do know that bush isn't...so i take a leap of faith.

I also want ya'll to remember that there is very hard evidence John Kerry voted against all the major weapons systems that we are using in the war right now, if he had his way, our troops would be in big trouble. Just my view, i respect everyone here, and i respect your views, i do want to leave you with this however, who ever you vote for, think before you vote.

Yes, but you also need to remember that there is very hard evidence that Bush is the one who sent our troops to war. (actually, I'd be interested to hear your source for this "very hard evidence"--not that I don't believe you, I do, but keep in mind that not everything on Fox News is true. If that's where you got it )

Kerry isn't perfect, but then, no politician is. Sure, Kerry's ****ed up a couple times, but Bush has ****ed up a lot more than I think Kerry would...

if i thought hard enough...i would just stay home on election day as would many others...and democracy would crumble even more.

btw, i saw bill oreilly on john stewarts show, and he actually kinda opened up as to his opinion on the candidates, and he doesnt seem to particularly like either...it may even be argued that he's undecided...weird huh?

just goes to show you how much faith people actually have in politicians, regardless of how politically motivated or biased they are.

For the last twenty years my friends, he has the most liberal record in the senate, i wish he could talk about that instead of blaming Bushes for year record. Also why is John Kerry bringing up his past record, knowing it will be used as bait. One thing that's fact is that we didn't start this war, the terrorist did, they damaged our economy, and because we're now at war with them, remember war is expensive. So when Kerry blames Bush for all our problems, it's just not right, and if iraq was a diversion, why is Abu Mussaab Al Sarquawi there fighting sooo hard. Seems to me they are protecting something. Hope i spelled the name correctly.

You could use Kerry's voting record to show this slant. Yes. But that is only part of the picture. Do you honestly think the a bill before the Senate is just about 1 weapon system? Then he voted against it? No, there was also funding for a bridge in someone's district and money to fund a park in another district. This is what we lovingly call pork. To push things threw or to derail bills representatives will add things to a bill. Causing someone to vote for or against it.

Besides Cheney, as Secretary of Defense, cut most of the weapon systems that he is blaming Kerry for voting against. Hypocrisy!

Like others have said the reason our troops are in trouble is because Bush put them in harms way. Bush says he'll take responsibility for his actions if/when historians find fault? I find fault right now and want to hold him responsible on election day. Sadly that won't bring back the 1,100+ soldiers who have died or the countless more Iraqis that have lost their lives dew to this man's vendetta. For shame Mr. President! For shame!

wherever there is a war in the middle east, there will be fanatics seeking to gain power. Abu Mussaab Al Sarquawi is an opportunist terrorist, nothing more. kill him, and some other wacko will take his place.

i want to see bin laden hang from a noose for what he's done, and bush has not given me that pleasure.

Was that an Iraqi Scud missile that took out the trade towers? Nope. A terrorist group did this and they were being hunted in Afghanistan. Bush has said he would hold other countries accountable if they aided terrorist. I am sure that Iraq did that. So do many, many others. I would be curious as to why he choose Iraq. I think it is because he thought he could get away with it. That people wouldn't hold him accountable. What about all these other countries that help terrorists? Are we going to take them all out?

Is the world a better place with out Hussein in power? YES! Did Bush do the right thing to get him out of power? NO! The ends do not justify the means. When the dust settles and history write this sad chapter what do you think it will say about Bush? I guess time will tell.

I'll raise my voice and vote for someone that will lead our country and not lie to us about why we are going to war. That someone is not Bush!

ya know whats funny, most people here say GO BUSH and then back it up with NO evidence. But the Kerry people have reasonings and though behind thier decision.

so Bush people, Why him??

"Cuz he's protecting us from terrorists!" cowboy

Bullshit!

The war in Iraq is not a war on terror.
We were not attacked by Iraq!

Saddam was not a imminent threat to the security of America.

Iraq had no connection to 9/11 or Al Qaeda.

There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Terrorism didn't exist in Iraq until Bush invaded.

The region is more vulnerable and chaotic. Terrorists are crossing the border into Iraq everyday.

Bush has taken the resources necessary to fight the real war on terror and diverted them and all of his attention into Iraq.

"Who cares, Saddam was a bad man, the world is better off without him!" Well I guess its time to invade Iran and N. Korea.
Bush needs foot soldiers, might as well initiate a draft.

I am 100% confident that John Kerry would NOT initiate the draft.
I cant say the same about Dubya.

I can't recall who posted the thread with the link to the pentagon crash website, but it was very informative. Thank you for that... We are all fools for believing in this "democracy". The government is out to serve one group., and that's themselves.

Tex, I've respected you since we first met. This is one reason why. Cheers


Except for this: "Terrorism didn't exist in Iraq until Bush invaded."
you KNOW there were terrorists there. Just not the ones we were looking for at the time.

oh for christs sake, there are terrorists EVERYWHERE.
tim mcveigh ring a bell? he was a white american terrorist,
and im sure there are plenty more wackos like him in the u.s.
you cant attack a nation just because there is a minority population
of fundamentalist militant wackos, or we may as well go to war with
every nation on the planet, including ourselves.

'cept for the comment about there not being terrorism prior to Bush invading, I fully agree.

There's terrorism everywhere, like PVS said, there are terrorists in the US who are American.

Yes, I agree that Saddam needed to be taken out of power. But Bush went about it the wrong way, invading a country on pretenses that there could be WMDs there (which there wasn't). Like Kerry reminded him during one of the debates, he was supposed to be after Bin Laden, not Saddam.

I HIGHLY doubt Kerry would reinstate the draft because he was drafted. Bush hid out in the National Guard, so to him it probably doesn't seem like a big deal. But I'll tell you one thing -- right now all we'll hear about this is just rumor. Neither of them would dare say something about the draft now because it would be political suicide.

My personal view on Kerry is that he is finger pointing and making promises about changes. That's it! He is the typical #1 contender in a race to be president. I sick of promises what I want is changes and Kerry isn't bringing anything new on the table. Is the same "Bush is doing this" or "Bush is doing that". Really Kerry? You think we don't know? Of course we are aware of what Bush is doing.

As for the draft thing. I like to know on what do ppl base their ideas that Kerry won't reinstate the draft? If the war continues there might a huge chance for draft. Electing Kerry doesn't mean that all wars will stop! There still be wars to be fought. Kerry himself supported the war so do you people think he is going to stop it the minute he becomes president? He is going to have to continue the re-building of Iraq. Re-build Iraq is a hard task and it will take years to get it to run like a democratic nation. No way Bush or Kerry or whoever will be able to fix Iraq during their current term on office. Is going to be a loooong time till we finally see Iraq turn into a democratic nation. So I ask again why do people think Kerry will NOT start a draft?

Kerry makes claims that he'll significantly decrease the number of troops that are currently in Iraq.

But he doesn't explain how he plans to do so. He doesn't have a specific plan, he's just hoping that as long as it's someone other than GW Bush in the office....everyone will leave him alone.

Kerry is going to be under more fire from Terrorists than Bush ever was because we atleast know what kind of leader Bush is. Some specialists feel that if Kerry is in office, terrorists will be a greater threat to the nation because they think terrorists will see him as a weak leader.

i know that bush is a chicken hawk who's daddy bumped him in front of the line for the national guard, of which he most likely went awol. i know that kerry actually knows what its like to be IN a war, so he at least has a realistic perspective.

I don't know WHY everybody thinks the terrorists will see Kerry as a weak leader. Bush obviously doesn't know what he's doing. Kerry, to me at least, seems from physical appearence only like a stronger-willed person.

Do you really know this for a fact? Seriously no Bull.

btw-Thanks Link that brings light into the subject.

I guess I didn't make it too clear after re-reading it.

According to some specialists, in a CNN article, they feel that because no one is truly sure how Kerry plans to spearhead his attack on terrorism....they feel that terrorists will be more likely to test Kerry to see what they can get away with, than they would be with Bush because they currently know what they can and can't get away with.

Kind of like having a substitute teacher. you know to behave when the real teacher's in class, but when she's sick, and the sub is here....all hell breaks lose.

Granted, this is only some people's views. I personally, will still be voting for Kerry because I believe the best thing for the US at this point is change.

Doesn't suprise me, Bill O Reilly is trying to make out what is real in each candidate because the parties are heated up. He always wanted Bush to explain himself, and he also believed the California power crisis was due to poor state power policies that forced buying from other states. I like watching the guy, I just need to get cable tv. (i got fast internet, one thing at a time though)

the guy who bumped him to the front of the line admitted it and said he felt deeply ashamed for doing this for bush and many others.

solid proof? impossible

the reason for the draft talk, is they are trying to get younger people out to vote, and a draft is a big issue for young people

I don't ask for proof. I was just asking if you knew that for a fact. I don't go around asking ppl for proof of anything. That's not my style.

personally i'm not afraid of a draft at all.

If one gets instated. I'm just going to take up extreme sports until i do unrepairable damage to myself.

proof would be the next logical step though, right?
after all, you shouldnt just take my word for it

but seriously, if you really want to get down to it, i can't declare that i really KNOW anything for a fact in politics. the only way i experience government is through the media in one form or another, as most of us have no choice but to do...and who's to say it's not all a bunch of bullshit?
so i guess i know with absolute certainty...nothing.

oops...sorry for the philisophical tangent....anyway...

i believe so, based on this gentleman's testimonial.

That's true, Kerry spends more time making promises and attacking Bushes record, and doesn't say how he will pay for all his promises. In one of his speaches he say he will pay for it by rolling back Bushes tax cuts for the wealthiest americans, it's just ridiculous, and i'm not even rich and i'm upset.

Preach it sistah!!

Awesome reply Stexeh!

god damn bitchiness, your sig and avvy are so nice.

I agree with you HeatsandFire. If Bush is President there is going to be NO draft...stop these conspiracy theories. And as for Backfire's comments...I think your taking Bush/Cheney's comments out of context...they said that they think there will be terrorist attack attempts during the next 4 years, and that they don't think that Kerry would be able to handle them...this is strictly political...Kerry and Bush constantly say that eachother won't be able to stop the terrorist attacks and that either or is better. Thing is, out of all the terrorist attacks we've had in the U.S...I'm thinking of '93 and '01...World Trade Center...how do you know we haven't stopped other attacks from happening?

"It's no dumber then Cheney saying that a vote for Kerry is a vote for terrorists, and that if Kerry wins there will be another terrorist attack."

I never said we didn't stop other terrorist attacks, I simply said that Kerry bringing up the draft is nore more stupid then Cheney saying wha the said. They're both scare tactics, nothing more.

Sure there were terrorists there, but no attacks of terrorism.
Big difference.

Saddam ran an extremely tight shift in Iraq.
There were no road side bombs killing police officers and be-headings of foreigners.

Do you know what Saddam would've done if someone had kidnapped an American and beheaded them in Iraq? *shivers*

Saddam did what Bush could not, he kept Iraq safe and orderly.
He also kept the lights on and the plumbing running.
Which is more than I can say about Bush.

Bush's poorly planned and unwarranted invasion has created a breeding ground for terrorists acts. Making Iraq a much more dangerous and unstable place.

You make me sick...Your for an evil dictator and against Bush...who, has yes made mistakes...(I have yet to see a modern President that hasn't), some that you think are major...some that I disagree with...You make it sound like Saddam ran a well-maintained little Iraq that was peaceful. I think your full of shit. Read this:

Life Under
Saddam Hussein
A Brutal Regime
_
For over 20 years, the greatest threat to Iraqis has been Saddam Hussein's regime -- he has killed, tortured, raped and terrorized the Iraqi people and his neighbors for over two decades.

When Iraq is free, past crimes against humanity and war crimes committed against Iraqis, will be accounted for, in a post-conflict Iraqi-led process. The United States, members of the coalition and international community will work with the Iraqi people to build a strong and credible judicial process to address these abuses.

Under Saddam's regime many hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of his actions - the vast majority of them Muslims.

According to a 2001 Amnesty International report, "victims of torture in Iraq are subjected to a wide range of forms of torture, including the gouging out of eyes, severe beatings and electric shocks... some victims have died as a result and many have been left with permanent physical and psychological damage."

Saddam has had approximately 40 of his own relatives murdered.

Allegations of prostitution used to intimidate opponents of the regime, have been used by the regime to justify the barbaric beheading of women.

Documented chemical attacks by the regime, from 1983 to 1988, resulted in some 30,000 Iraqi and Iranian deaths.

Human Rights Watch estimates that Saddam's 1987-1988 campaign of terror against the Kurds killed at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 Kurds. o The Iraqi regime used chemical agents to include mustard gas and nerve agents in attacks against at least 40 Kurdish villages between 1987-1988. The largest was the attack on Halabja which resulted in approximately 5,000 deaths. o 2,000 Kurdish villages were destroyed during the campaign of terror.

Iraq's 13 million Shi'a Muslims, the majority of Iraq's population of approximately 22 million, face severe restrictions on their religious practice, including a ban on communal Friday prayer, and restriction on funeral processions.

According to Human Rights Watch, "senior Arab diplomats told the London-based Arabic daily newspaper al-Hayat in October that Iraqi leaders were privately acknowledging that 250,000 people were killed during the uprisings, with most of the casualties in the south." Refugees International reports that the "Oppressive government policies have led to the internal displacement of 900,000 Iraqis, primarily Kurds who have fled to the north to escape Saddam Hussein's Arabization campaigns (which involve forcing Kurds to renounce their Kurdish identity or lose their property) and Marsh Arabs, who fled the government's campaign to dry up the southern marshes for agricultural use. More than 200,000 Iraqis continue to live as refugees in Iran."

The U.S. Committee for Refugees, in 2002, estimated that nearly 100,000 Kurds, Assyrians and Turkomans had previously been expelled, by the regime, from the "central-government-controlled Kirkuk and surrounding districts in the oil-rich region bordering the Kurdish controlled north."

"Over the past five years, 400,000 Iraqi children under the age of five died of malnutrition and disease, preventively, but died because of the nature of the regime under which they are living." (Prime Minister Tony Blair, March 27, 2003) o Under the oil-for-food program, the international community sought to make available to the Iraqi people adequate supplies of food and medicine, but the regime blocked sufficient access for international workers to ensure proper distribution of these supplies. o Since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, coalition forces have discovered military warehouses filled with food supplies meant for the Iraqi people that had been diverted by Iraqi military forces.

The Iraqi regime has repeatedly refused visits by human rights monitors. From 1992 until 2002, Saddam prevented the UN Special Rapporteur from visiting Iraq.

The UN Special Rapporteur's September 2001, report criticized the regime for "the sheer number of executions," the number of "extrajudicial executions on political grounds," and "the absence of a due process of the law."

Executions: Saddam Hussein's regime has carried out frequent summary executions, including: o 4,000 prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in 1984 o 3,000 prisoners at the Mahjar prison from 1993-1998 o 2,500 prisoners were executed between 1997-1999 in a "prison cleansing campaign" o 122 political prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in February/March 2000 o 23 political prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in October 2001 o At least 130 Iraqi women were beheaded between June 2000 and April 2001

Who's side are you on?

Terrorism not existing until Bush invaded Iraq...I have no respect for you. I can understand not liking Bush, but you've gone too far.

Yes, there are some U.S. Soldiers who did some VERY wrong things in Abu Ghraib. It made me feel sick...but then you slam Bush and make it sound as though this was his fault...Those soldiers should be punished and others that use such tactics...

To all you saying there's terrorists everywhere...of course there are...but there are more that dangerous...so we should just let all the terrorists go free...what the hell do you guys stand for? When we have major terrorist threats we must take them down...the FBI/CIA can deal with the American terrorists who are not near a crisis as some like the Al Quaeda (However spelled). Read this article:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39061

or:

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040620-050700-2315r

We're finding more and more evidence connecting Saddam to Al-Quaeda and 9/11 all the time...

"Cuz he's protecting us from terrorists!"

Bull!

The war in Iraq is not a war on terror.
We were not attacked by Iraq!

Saddam was not a imminent threat to the security of America.

Iraq had no connection to 9/11 or Al Qaeda.

There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Terrorism didn't exist in Iraq until Bush invaded.

The region is more vulnerable and chaotic. Terrorists are crossing the border into Iraq everyday.

Bush has taken the resources necessary to fight the real war on terror and diverted them and all of his attention into Iraq.

"Who cares, Saddam was a bad man, the world is better off without him!" Well I guess its time to invade Iran and N. Korea.
Bush needs foot soldiers, might as well initiate a draft.

I am 100% confident that John Kerry would NOT initiate the draft.
I cant say the same about Dubya.

Jesus christ son!

Keep it in one damn box. 2 maybe!

That's what I say to all your bullshit

Bush said-NO DRAFT. There is NOT GOING TO BE A DRAFT. How more plain can he put it?

you're not the brightest penny in the well are you?

Oh I'm bright all right. You think I'm gonna wait for others to respond, while I have things to say and reply to which have already been written?

Saddams a nice guy isn't he?

spam spam spam...MOD?????? need some help over here when you get the chance

What? Think the image is faked or something?

its a painting, please dont be such a simpleton.
if i paint a mural of me slaying a dragon, will you call me a hero?
wake up and get a grip man!!!

Dude, its a painting that shows Saddam smiling at the attacks of 9/11. I doubt someone would take the time to fake a painting to make it look like Saddam was laughing at the attacks...its obvious that he had it drawn of him...like so many other paintings he had done.

thats it, im ignoring you now.
you are just dilluted and need a reality check.
EVERYONE can see that, and you are making bush supporters look like
fools, which im sure they dont appreciate.

good day sir

PVS, how many times have you said that...Then you come back with another comment at me...I never compared the painting to a real picture of Saddam laughing...You missed my point again, like you do so much.

A painting of Saddam smiling at the WTC attack...

OMG! It's the link between Saddam and 9/11 we've all been waiting for!

If you're going to go to war with "bad men" who believe that 9/11 was way overdue, you'll be fighting forever.

When will you realise Hunchy that Saddam was not a threat to America?
There were no Iraqi terrorists on 9/11.
Saddam had no WMDs aimed at America.

Now calm down and please refrain from attacking other members.
Please dont spam the thread with numerous consecutive posts.

there is no point in telling him not to spam.
lil bitchiness has warned him about the spamming so
many times i bet her fingers cramped from all the typing.

Tex, we disagree on a LOT of points...By posting the picture, I wasn't trying to prove that Saddam had connections with 9/11...even though there was just released documents connecting him to training some of the men who did the attacks...I can link you to articles if you want. The picture was just something I found and posted because it related with what we were talking about...I didn't say...see look...Saddam has connections...just look at the picture...

Saddam trained the 9/11 terrorists did he?

Um no, they were trained by American citizens in America to fly.
They were trained by Al Queda to stab people with boxcutters.

There are no links between Saddam and Al Queda.
As your best buddy Dubya has himself been forced to admit.

The only country other than Afghanistan that had any link to 9/11 was Saudi Arabia, seeing as almost all of the highjackers were Saudis.

The families of 9/11 victims have filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Saudi Arabia.

The Bush administration opposed this.
In fact, the lawyer defending the country of Saudi Arabia in this matter is a very good friend of the Bush family.

he's just ignoring every word, dont waste your energy.

The information was just released dude. Believe it or not...And of course they were trained for the actual flying over here...that has nothing to with being trained to be a terrorist...do you think we train to be terrorists over here? I don't think so.

see what i mean? waste of energy
i've had more productive debates with my 4 year old niece...seriously

This new information linking Saddam to 9/11 was just released and made available only to you?

You would think it would be on the news, or paraded about by the Bush administration.

I think I know what documents you're referring too.

Saddam was giving money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.

Dude, first off I thought you were ignoring me...which you have claimed many times. Secondly, you keep coming on here and saying my comments are a waste of time...yes, thank you for the imput...we've heard your say...now unless your going to actual debate and not get pissy when I say something, maybe you shouldn't waste your time...Thirdly what have you and your niece discussed? The birds and the bees? Or maybe teaching her that should has a choice to be gay or not...and that she can have an abortion if she ever gets pregnant when she gets older? What do you discuss? I'm really interested to hear about it.

Tex, maybe your not hearing about it because of all the election coverage...let me find some sites for you...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39061
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97527,00.html

I know you won't believe Fox News' but whatever. I also read an article about it in World Magazine.

That's old news.

Saddams "links" to Al Queda are EXTREMELY loose and very questionable at best and have been completely dismissed by the entire world; except the Bush administration who continues to severely exaggerate it.

Like the FOX News article says, 70% of Americans believe that Iraq had a hand in the 9/11 attacks.

The Bush administration has done everything in its power to give off that impression.

It's absolutely shameful that most Americans are absolutely clueless, misinformed and do not make an effort to inform and educate themselves about very serious topics in todays world.

Oh, as far as the draft goes.
Just to let you know how streched our military is...

The army is seeking to end the 1994 ban which prevents female soldiers from combat.

Should Bush win, the draft is looking more and more likely.

Would hunchy... PLEASE for the love of (insert Deity) stop posting soooo many posts in a row!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How many times does he need to be reported to the Mods??

I believe this discussion was why do democrats keep bringing up the draft issue. I think it has been addressed and people's minds aren't going to be changed. Am I right?

Can we either stick closer to the subject or at least stop hunchy from posting hundreds(Yes, exaggeration) of meaningless sub-topics.

One final note since hunchy can't seem to get it right. The terrorists that slammed airplanes in the towers were trained to fly in the US. Yes we trained them because we are a free country and allow people to learn things even if they aren't LISTENING. They were not trained in Iraq. Nor is Iraq directly connected in any substantial way to the attack on 9/11.

If you truly love Bush sooo much and feel that he is never wrong then vote for him or get a room.

Carry on!

I thought the whole Bush reinstating the draft was a false rumor...

and how many people here have read the whole 9/11 report...I would like to know...

He posts so many in a row because he has 2 people harping on him about the same thing. I know first hand it is tough typing to 3 people at a time. Give hunchy a break. I've never seen PVS or you have to handle 2 or 3 people at once. Maybe other Bush supporters are at work, or looking at other news (radio) and haven't the time to post on this forum and we represent a minority on the forum. Being democrats... give the minority here a chance and allow us to type as many words as we are reading.

This is America, or is it the internet?

sigh.....why is it so damn hard to find a unbiased newsource....

I mean all I get out of television news are 30-second sound bites that are supposed to dictate my life....and the internet just spam's me with porn adds.....sigh, I guess I can only rely on the radio now....

i just listen to npr and watch bbc. just straight up news with no 'sexing up' the issues.

hunchy, stop your double/triple posting. Get your thoughts together and make one post at a time.

In hunchy's defense... the number of posts against him out weigh his number of posts.. 3 to 1 3 to 1 and 1 to 3.... in which hunchy posted 3 times to tex, pvs, and a previous msg directed at him.

so it is 7 posts to answer, hunchy posted 5 times to those. Sounds like he is trying.

42% Hunchy posted, others posted 58% of the time.

you're missing the point dude.
OH C'MON!!!! 3 out of 3 mods have said that he's flooding the thread.
its one thing if you make a post, and then like 2 hours later
you want to say more. but he is making a post like every 2 minutes.

you have 15 minutes from the time you post to edit it.

Alright. I just had to show some numbers on here. They represent facts. No emotions with numbers.

First off Kingcoot, I would like to thank you for the support and backing me up. I guess it has become popular on the threads to slam me, seeing as though it is only about 3% pro Bush supporters on here...And seeing as though people are getting mad for my numerous threads, I will post all of what I have to say in one...even though I am responding to a million people at once...but I guess that really seems to bother you guys...But no surprise, most Republicans to my knowledge keep to themselves and aren't so loud mouthed and obnoxious...When I say this, I refer to the younger liberals out there...I know this will be very unpopular to say so...but its true...I just had to come on here and TRY to equal things out a bit...but it will never be totally so. As for Tex's comments, it seems as though you don't except my opinion and are telling me basically that I am wrong...I never said I totally believed ties with Saddam and 9/11. I simply said that new information had been revealed about it. But it IS funny however, that Bush said in the 2nd debate..."THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A DRAFT" if he is President. How much clearer can you get...Even if you believe Bush lies about things, if he says something he does it...I'm sure you can't disagree with that. As far as an unbaised newsource...I found Drudgereport to be pretty equal...it has things on Bush and Kerry...Fox News is definately Conservative...and CNN is definately liberal.

As much as I'm all for any bashing of Bush, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that there will be any sort of draft any time soon. I'm sure he and his advisors realize what a huge mistake that would be, his aproval ratings would drop down the shitter in about 10 seconds after aproving a draft. People simply won't stand for it.

I think it's simple scare tactics coming from Kerry and company. Much like the scare tactics of Bush and company saying "A vote for Kerry is a vote for terror." They're both full of shit on both of these issues.

i hope they have the draft.. i wanna be the first kid on my block with a confirmed kill!

DrudgeReport?!?

He's a republican conservative gossip columnist.

Drudge always has pictures of Kerry looking stupid.
And just look what on his frontpage currently:
http://drudgereport.com/hkb.jpghttp://drudgereport.com/hkbb.jpg

I LOVE Teresa!

Well, I'm glad you agree Backfire...It is a scare tactic...and while Bush's comment may be...it's a little different and here's why: Bush said there would be no draft if he is President...that is a statement of something he said he would not do in his next Presidency...Bush is saying that Kerry is just simply too weak to defend America from a terrorist attack...so basically he's saying he's too weak to defend America, don't choose Kerry...Choose me, because I will defend America...Bush is doing what any President, or person for President says against their opponent...that they are weak...Kerry however, turned what Bush said around and said there will be a draft even though he said there wouldn't. I see a difference and I wouldn't compare the two.

As for Tex's comment, you may not visit Drudgereport much but it shows pictures like that of both Bush and Kerry...and I haven't found any making him look that stupid...maybe its just natural...and yes, Bush makes funny faces too.

I know they're not exactly the same, but they're comparable because they're both unfounded scare tactics that simply aren't true.

Depends on what you think of Kerry though...maybe you think he is weak and won't be able to defend America...Kerry's comments simply aren't true, while Bush's is an opinion. That's the difference.

It's the wording that's the scare tactics when it comes to Bush's tactics. "A vote for Kerry is a vote for terror". It's simply dumb and obviously false, no one's voting for Kerry because they want terror to happen.

im sorry hunchy, but you make no sense at all.
i find it impossible to debate you since you spew out one ridiculous comment after another.

"Kerry's comments simply aren't true, while Bush's is an opinion. That's the difference."

WTF????????

blanket statement after blanket statement. do you think about those words before you type them?

Dude, when I said Kerry's statements weren't true I was referring to him saying that if you vote for Bush there WILL be a draft...I wasn't saying Kerry's comments in general aren't true...don't try to make it sound like I'm saying something else...and stop coming on these forums and talking to me and saying that there's no point debating me, if there's no point debating me...then don't debate me. And of course no one's voting for Kerry because they want terror to happen. People who are voting for him like him...It was not the best thing to say, but I think Bush is implying that there will be another attack attempt and that Kerry is not the man to handle it, and that he is too weak and that Bush could handle it...that's strictly political.

you bring forth crap evidence, you give us some article from a tabloid site not worthy of considering itself among the ranks of the enquirer, you present some stupid painting of saddam and the wtc and say its PROOF of an iraq al queda connection. you are dumbing down this debate, like you did the last one.

and you rest your case on the idea that bush is more "man" than kerry?
thats political? wtf?

Tell me how the drudgereport is not fair and it tells lies like the Enquirer...I did NOT say the painting was a connection. In fact yesterday I said it wasn't and that I had just found it and had to do with the subject we were talking about. I don't think it's amy evidence against Saddam having weapons at all. I did not say Bush was more man than Kerry. Your missing what I have to say. I said that BUSH himself thinks he could deal with an attack and that Kerry couldn't. Stop trying to put words in my mouth and say things I DID NOT SAY.

"Dude, its a painting that shows Saddam smiling at the attacks of 9/11. I doubt someone would take the time to fake a painting to make it look like Saddam was laughing at the attacks...its obvious that he had it drawn of him...like so many other paintings he had done."

so then what the hell was your reason in posting it?

Eminem has another philosophy that he speaks to Fred Durst of Limp Biskit about how to communicate and act. Goes something like this:



So PVS,

Simplified, it means talk straight with people. Also, if there is no point in debating, there is no point in debating. Even Eminem would back out now if there was no point in debating. If you aren't down with what we are saying, then back out, and don't revisit. Otherwise it will seem pointless to you.

Who gives a shit about Eminem?

It wasn't about eminem... it was about how he communicates. Read it, see the symbolism in what is happening here, and figure it out.

Besides.. it isn't directed at you at all, so just ignore it. That is all it says. Ignore it if you aren't happy with it. That is the message of Eminem's quote, along with entertainment of swearing which is a way of venting anger.

PVS, I told you the reason for posting that picture yesterday:

"In fact yesterday I said it wasn't and that I had just found it and had to do with the subject we were talking about."

We were talking about the possible connection, that I myself don't even know if I believe, and I found the picture and simply posted it. But you had to put words in my mouth and say that that was my reason for supporting that there was a connection. That would be the stupidest thing to do. I think you misinterrupt what I am saying constantly. And it seems your the only one...but of course you believe anything you watch in a movie...mainly including Fahrenheit 9/11 and Bowling for Columbine-whom even people who hate Bush know are full of shit. I also do not like Eminem, but I think kingcoot was using him as an example of what he was trying to say...It had nothing to do with who Eminem is...he was referring to the way PVS acts towards me. Again, its nice to have a little support.