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The British Armed Forces has officially recognised its first registered Satanist


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/24/uk.devilworship/index.html


LOL wow a Satanist


Does anyone care?

I sure dont give a damn as long has he doesn't assert his religon on anyone else.


But what about you guys a friend of mine who is Catholic is not very sure of this idea?

You dont seem to mind that your catholic friend thinks he has a right to have an opinion on this - it's belief systems like catholicism that assert religion on other people (while keeping the pedophile ring that is the Catholic church in money).

The guys a satanist - BFD: As bill hicks said about gays in the military, the only prerequisite needed to join up is that you are a big enough ****ing ass hole in the first place. Nothing else matters.

Thats so trippy, because im just watching Robin Williams live (again), and he just mentioned that exact thing.

Anyway, I dont see the problem. Why is your friend worried and threatened about someone else's religion? He should be more worried and threatned by the fact that he could get blown off any second when in war, not if a person next to him is gay or a Satanist.

Eeek - almost gave the game away that I have your house bugged. Whooops.

RW live - Ive not seen that for years - i watched the 2 part RW on "actors studio" again recently. I wish he'd give up acting and just riff like he used to: Its what he's good at.

I hope there are no cameras - maybe they are, thats why we're getting on better.

Im watching him live in New York - hes absolutely hilarious, especially when it comes to religion mocking - genious.

Is this the new 2002 "live" or the old "live" - Ive not seen the new one - and... this is so off topic that i will PM* you about it later once Ive finished sawing my ear.

* any excuse - its that new av.

Yeah its a sexy av, even Raz thinks its rather distracting. But you do PM me when you finish ''sawing your ear'' - going all Van Gogh on us.

So what? I'm sure there are plenty of Muslims and Jews, and Athiests in the Navy, what the big deal about a Satanist?

You have no idea how much I don't care.

As long as he doesn't slaughter goats in the barracks I'm sure everything will be fine.

a threat thatd be reduced if gays werent allowed in the military....heh

i dont care about his religion, it actually has no bearing on ne1 else since Satanism is a surprisingly passive religion (if hes a real satanist and not a bible burning fake 1).... Satanism has more similarities with Buddhism than most ppl think

I don't like that one bit. It just makes me feel uncomfortable. But I guess I should take a step back and think, it's no different than another religion.
But it gives me the creeps

You are an IndieKid - that gives me the creeps. Us post-hardcore children are sooo very different to you, so therefore you all must be creepy.

I'm shocked, satanists ... oh my

why not

research satanism before u judge this badly.... because its got a lot of misconceptions surrounding it - they dont actually worship devils...they beleive that satan is just an internal energy that thrives on self satisfaction (not masturbation haha)...

EDIT: note, an internal energy....never seen it specified as the anti-christ

*sigh* It bugs me people worry about this sorta thing in the first place why does everything have to be politcally correct in this world? As said before...big friggin deal; the people who this bothers have a bigger problem than they think he does

but the people who are bugged about the people who have problems with the people who like being politically correct must be real freaks, eh spear?

Hey no fair you judged before you even really know me. I'm in an Indie Band - I have piercing and I listen to punk and a range of different stuff - so lay off.
BTW - I mean real punk - not new punk-rock shit.

and i assume u have indepth knowledge of the guy who joined the navy...and his religion

As long as he (she?) does his/ her job, who cares?

lots of people, sadly...

the thing that annoys me most is the "ethnic quota" - where a company has to employ a set amount of ppl from every background and race etc...

it encourages the employment of ppl not fit for the job, id rather have a full workforce of white (or black...) employees who were the best at their jobs... than a group of less skilled workers of different ethnicities

You're right, unfortunately, lots of people who can't just mind their own business.....

I was making an example. You judged those people as ''creepy'' before you even knew what their religion was all about.
I was doing the same to you, and you didnt like it - cruel irony.

Witchcraft!

haha... how retarded was that post

That is good as im sure christians would be pissed if one of them was turned down because of there religion

Satanism is not about slaughtering goats (i think you will find that is pegans)

And if you don't care why post, infact why even read this forum?

because on of the questions in the opening post was
Does anyone care? so I guess BF made a reply to that question

I mean this when i say it. I could really care less. I mean satanists can kill towel heads too, isnt that all that matters?

Let me guess, you are a satanist?

Oh and we can post, read and reply to whichever thread we wish, even if we dont care about it, m'kay?

satanists remind me of punks. People clammering to be different and gaining some kind of profound look on the world that pisses society off.

Satanistic people=ingorant

Why worship that one that is going to tortue you when you die... doesnt seem very promising... i mean im not saying that you have to believe in god you can be atheist, but damn if a bully at your school was going to beat the hell out of you at the end of the school year would your worship him and tell everyone he is a god?... i think not.

Peopel who cant spell ignorant=ignorant.

I blow at typing.

I'm not going to dignify any of that with a response.........

I would prefer you refrain from using racial slurs. It is degrading and uncivilized.




You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Satanism or the Church of Satan stands for... basically its glorified atheism, with some rules and laws which Satanists live by that empower them personally.

Thread open on Satanism/Satanic Beliefs

If your feeling really brave you can check out this site and read what they actually believe, instead of just holding on to common misconceptions:

Church of Satan

Look under the theory and practice section.


I am not a Satanist... but as bizarre as all religions are people have a right to practice them, so if someone is making inaccurate, uninformed statements about something they don't know about, I will try my best to inform them.

Satanist do not believe he will tortue, Thay believe that they will join there darklord.

To me it makes mutch more sense than anything els.

If a "bully" was going to beat me up at the end of school i would destroy him before the end of the year.

Yeah, but, What if he royally kicked your ass when you tried destroying him? then the ass beating you got would have been your fault.

Satanists don't believe in the Devil or a Dark Lord... they are basically atheists, who follow rules and teachings to empower themselves. Satan is not an actual being which they worship; Luciferians believe in and worship the devil. Satanists have different beliefs... if you want to know what Satanist believe go to the Satanism thread I posted above, but I'm telling you that your both way off when you are talking about what satanists believe.

Calling oneself a Satanist without believing in Satan would be the same as be a communist with capitalistic ideals

he would not as i would attack him with a wepon of some kind, he would not even see me coming, better him than me

It is better to die in battle than on your knees, if he "royally" beat me up at least i tryed

i would not see a problom with a satan worshiper being inlisted satanism is just a branch of christainanity

no its not. If anything its a branch of atheism.

You like the mars volta. You're a bit of a shit for someone who likes the mars volta. I knew you were doing that. But I don't deserve it, i'm not a satanist, even if they don't worship the devil.
When he turns around and shoots them all in the name of the devil, they'll be a bit sorry.

did yall know that the catholic church is the only one that has an account set up just for paying off grieving families who accuse preists of reaming thier sons?

didnt have anything to do with anything i just thought i throw it out there. heard it on CNN, BTW

I dont know if i could go as far as to say that Satansim is gloriifed atheism. i would more liken it to looking-for-attention-and-trying-to-be-different-by-all-doing-the-same-thing-ism.(lol, i slay me) Why? cuz the fact that they believe in a "Satan" to me that signifes that they at least acknowledge that there is a "God", maybe in thier own sick little animal sacrificing, mate swapping, blood drinking, sometimes child raping world they want to choose sides in an attempt to avoid hell. the sick bastards

Well It matters by the religion if some of beliefs are harmful thinking or not.I mean you can believe in something that full of hate yes it's thats person belief but like the KKK they have the right to be a group but that doesn't mean it's a good thing at all and you guys no it.

Who Cares?


Are you guys for real.

Stan from South Park said it best in the Nambla episode "Yeah we believe in equality and everything but F*@k You?"


Who cares?Do you guys no what Satan stands for I'm a Catholic and not too crazy and opposesit on anaybody but Atheist have every right to be who they are but someone who believes in Satan doesn't sound wrong too you guys.


What wrong with you guys????


I mean it.

I dot make any difference to me, it is just as wrong to me to believe in a god as to believe in a satan
no different than any other religions then.

Just because the christians find it wicked doesnt mean it has to be so.

So, doing evil things doesn't mean it's evil cuz I think it is? Wickedness is evil, thats not christainity saying that, nor religion, it's the dictionary, its a fact of what a SATANIST is.

Satanists do not believe in Satan, nor do they believe in God! Believe it or not, the dictionary is wrong about most Satanists. SOME Satanists probably literally worship the Christian Satan, but the Church of Satan, which is the official Satanic "denomination," is an atheist organization. They do not believe in God, and they don't believe in Satan. Is that really so hard to understand? People are so quick to judge things based on their name/stereotype/whatever... Saying Satanists literally worship the devil just because they have it in their name is like saying the band Bad Religion is actually a religion because they have that word in their name. Or that the band In Flames is literally on fire.

I'm not making this up, guys, this is information that can be found on the COS's website.

"We Satanists are our own Gods, and we are the explorers of the Left-Hand Path. We do not bow down before the myths and fictions of the desiccated spiritual followers of the Right-Hand Path."

^Quoted directly from the title page of the COS's website

http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html

I doubt that anybody here will care about what the site says, seeing as most of you probably believe it's just "Satan's lies" or some shit like that, but there it is if you want to see it. See, god, I did something good today, opening people's eyes to the hypocrisy of their religion. Judging things and such...

If they don't believe in Satan then why the hell did they name themselves Satanists? Just to mess with Christians? Usually when a religion has a name in it, it is the name of who they worship. Ex: Christianity and Buddhism. I'm sorry but if they named themselves Satanists and then get mad when people think they worship Satan that is their own fault.

Still... any religion should be able to join the navy. Just because they have opposing beliefs doesn't mean they don't have skills that may be useful and shouldn't be able to have the same opportunities as anyone else. Everyone has a right to believe whatever they want, even if it is completely retarded or even "wicked."

But I did go to the site and the beliefs aren't as "evil" as you may think. Sure they are a little more cutthroat, and really over the top, but the underlying message isn't too bad on some of the rules. I noticed two of the rules were don't kill animals unless its self defense or food, and don't harm little children. But I would say they do worship Satan judging from that site. I couldn't find the part where they said they don't.

I just quoted the part where they say they don't worship Satan...

"We Satanists are our own Gods, and we are the explorers of the Left-Hand Path. We do not bow down before the myths and fictions of the desiccated spiritual followers of the Right-Hand Path."

Yeah, I think they do call themselves Satanists just to piss Christians off. I don't know that they themselves necessarily get mad when people think they worship Satan--they have a thing against stupid, judgemental people anyways, and they don't want anybody "unworthy" in their religion. Pisses me off, though.

evil in the eyes of who. Who said those who worship satan do evil thing just because they are suppose to be the opposite from christians doesnt mean it is evil. Cause christians aint synonym with good, maybe in the eyes of christians that is, not to others though

This argument has branched off to the evils of Satanism and Satanism vs other religions et all,but the point we are missing is why did this guy join the forces? if his intentions are right then i have no qualm. But in the same respects you could get a Christian joining the army with negative intentions not only to his unit, his force but also his country.
We can't always look to peoples religious beliefs to view them in general its just not possible.

i can't believe we even having this conversation.Yes a christian can have evil intentions but the religion is not telling you to do those things.But SATANIST are a bunch of Hand Banging kids who mommy and daddy made them go to Sunday school.C'mon these people are just like the KKK a group that want to just hate and piss people off that's why I don't see it as an religion.I don't care if they hate Catholics Atheist have there reasons but screw them.

Yes, I read that as well... I just think that when they say "Satan," they mean something more like the Force in Star Wars than the Christian version of an antagonistic godly power. They obviously believe in some kind of a supernatural power, but people shouldn't assume that by Satan they mean Lucifer.

Yeah I think it's safe to assume that by Satan they don't mean a red guy with horns.

LOL no you are saying the dictionary is wrong? So, because some organization, decides to change what the word satainist means, and so now, it no longer means that, cuz they say so?? lol come on
Satanist are known for doing evil and sacrifices, thats NOT something I made up or christains made up (you are only saying that to me finti lol cuz you know I am one hehe), it's a known fact.

The Church of Satan actually isn't just "some organization," it is the ONLY major form of Satanism that exists today. There are some other Satanic cults around the world, but these are so tiny that, in total, they probably number no more than a thousand worldwide.

You can't give me a single example of a bona fide member of the Church of Satan (which, I can't stress this enough, is the only legitimate branch of Satanism that exists today) raping a child or sacrificing an animal? No, wait, I know you can't... Because harming little children, and killing animals (except in self-defense or for food) are considered sins to the COS.

Not that you will believe me, because Christians are so opposed to judging on appearence that they can't be bothered to do the tiniest bit of research when it comes to "evil" religions like Satanism.

So, you saying the dictionary is wrong??

Satan is a part of Christianity, so essentially they did make it up. And no matter how Satanists used to practice, we are not talking about a man centuries ago we are talking about a man in 2004 who practices modern day Satanism. May I also add it's ironic people keep bringing up animal sacrifices as being evil...

personnally satan is known as the purest form of evil around, so yes it kinda freaks me out.

its not only animal sacrifices they do humans to, I use to live in a town where there was people that worshiped Satan---Santanist, so i do know what occults do, the cloacks they wear, the chants they do, drugs they did there, and a rape that took place....this is at the town i'm talking about, they kid that did the raped, was 1 year older than me, we went to school together. we had only been out of school a few years i thk, when this happneded, he just got out of prison 2 months ago over that, so there is no way you can convince me Satanist are not evil. This guy was in NO way evil, but he changed when he got mixed up that.

OK, so then lets just say the guy is weird. Lets say he's a freak. Does that mean he shouldn't be allowed to serve in the military? Should we really limit somebody's options because of their beliefs?

Like I said, there are extremists of any religion. Christian extremists killed thousands based only on religion.

A belief, is that what you are calling that? The dictionary is not wrong. Dictionary: satanism Profound wickedness its wickedness that would be why is shld not be allowed, no other reason but that.

Yes, I am saying that. Remember that prior to the COS, which only came about in the 60's, "Satanism" was really a term used by Christians. Christians actually invented Satanism, it didn't exist before Christianity existed. The old form of Satanism, as AC said, was very different from what Satanism is today.

I hate to break it to you, darling, but (to use a very Christian, clicheed phrase) the people in the town you used to live in were not true Satanists. True members of the COS, which is the ONLY significant form of Satanism that exists anymore, do not rape people, do drugs, or sacrifice animals. Drugs, rape, and killing animals are all Satanic sins to REAL Satanists.

Yeah, Satanists have rituals, but then, so do Christians. There is very little difference between a Christian marriage or funeral and a Satanic ritual, in terms of how "dangerous" it is.

Here is an article I found, now read this.

" Devil worship and Satanism should not be considered harmless, writes Sophie Masson.

Have you heard? Britain's Royal Navy has its first official registered Satanist. Leading hand Christopher Cranmer, 24, has had his application to be recognised as a practising Satanist - complete with the right to perform rituals on board - approved.

He's also revealed that he'll be lobbying to have Old Nick's worship recognised as a religion by the state. Now that he's given over his life to the worship of the principle of evil, which, as the Church of Satan's official website proclaims, is an "acceptance of man's true state - that of a carnal beast living in a cosmos permeated and motivated by the Dark Force we call Satan" - his mother Catherine, supposedly a practising Christian, seems unmoved. "He's not evil ... in our home, we have angels on the mantelpiece," she says.

It sounds like something out of a dodgy parody. In the words of French poet Charles Baudelaire, "The best trick the Devil ever pulled is to persuade us he didn't exist." That would seem to be the case, since basic disbelief in the idea that there could be such an entity is surely behind the navy's acceptance of Cranmer's beliefs as harmless.
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Well, are they? Trawling through the Church of Satan's website and its related links, one comes across such statements as "Let our governments be toppled! Let the strong become Masters and the weak be swept away, as they should!" and "Kill all the deluded and weak".

The Church of Satan breezily informs us that though supposedly it venerates the "Dark Force", in fact, "we are our own gods". All traditional sins are henceforth virtues. Altruism is a myth; the Christian virtues are just hypocrisy; all restraints are simply attempts to force the really strong into a humiliating capitulation to the weak.

That this sub-Nietzschean, quasi-Nazi rubbish should be tolerated, much less encouraged, by the Royal Navy simply beggars belief.

The most frightening thing is that our society has seemingly become so disconnected from meaning that it no longer takes seriously the very building blocks of its culture.

Traditionally, we understood that symbols have an underlying meaning: the human world is not a parade of meaningless gestures, but a mysterious, strange place which we only partly understand, where metaphysical battles are played out every day in people's hearts.

The figure of the devil is a very profound, living metaphor, expressed in a concrete way; to worship the principle of evil itself is to invite it into your life and the lives of those around you, sometimes in unpredictable and horrifying ways.

A year after Church of Satan founder Anton la Vey appeared in Rosemary's Baby, Roman Polanski's pregnant wife Sharon Tate and several friends were gruesomely murdered by the followers of mad anti-prophet Charles Manson - who laid great stress on the fact that his name, reversed, was "son of Man".

The devil likes grim jokes, you see. Now somewhere in one of the navy's warships, a young Satanist with an emblematic name - Christopher means "the bearer of Christ", "Cranmer" was also the surname of a martyr of the Protestant Reformation - may well be earnestly expounding the scripture of the "Satanic Bible", with its love of the strong and contempt for the vulnerable. It's not a comforting thought. "

The dictionary can be wrong. Especially on supernatural type issues like this. The dictionary get the word satanism from the Christian religion. So since the Christian Bible says Satan is evil, the dictionary says it as well. That doesn't make it a fact. And yeah, I'm saying worshipping Satan is a belief. What would you call it?

So, in summary...

"Most religions are alright, except Satanism, because it openly contradicts with Christianity, which is BAD! Nobody is allowed to speak out against traditional religious society, and if they do, they are Nazis and Charles Manson!"

Gimme a break

Where does it say that the dictionary gets its word from the christain religion? That is what occults are known to do

Darth is has nothing to do w/that and i have not said anything like that, and you know that. the dictionary puts in very plain why it shldn't be allowed, NO other reason but that.

phinney: Maybe you shoudl go to the Church of Satan's website and see what they have to say for themselves, instead of reading an article that takes thing out of context and only summarizes the over the top part. I by no means condone the worship of Satan. But read what they have to say, it isn't "be evil and spread chaos."

Fiery Eyes: Where else would they get it from? The basic concept of Satan comes from Christianity. It doesnt have to SAY it, it's just a given.

Afro: its given cuz you say it's given. I just dont by that, that would mean any thing in the dictionary someone decided to change they could. Satanism is known as evil, why?? cuz that is what they are about, it's what they teach
http://www.rickross.com/reference/satanism/satanism12.html
here's just part of the The Hard Facts About Satanic Ritual Abuse

By Bob and Gretchen Passaintino
An edited version of this article first appeared in the winter 1992Christian Research Journal
WARNING: Because of the horrific nature of these reports, some of this article may be disturbing to readers. Every attempt has been made to deal with the subject objectively and with circumspect language.
A young teenage girl, impregnated during a satanic ritual, is forcibly delivered of her nearly term baby, forced to ritually kill the child and then to cannibalize its heart as cult members watch. Another girl, a small child, is sealed inside the cavity of a disemboweled animal and "rebirthed" by her cultic captors during a ceremony. A preschool class is systematically sexually, emotionally, and physically abused by part of a nationwide, nearly invincible network of satanic pedophiles and pornographers. A young girl is thrown into an electrified cage with wolves and ritually tortured to deliberately produce a "wolf personality," part of her multiple personality disorder (MPD).

I do say it's given because it's basically common sense. Think about it, Christianity came up with the concept of Satan saying he was an angel of god but then betrayed him (or something like that, I don't remember exactly). So since the Christian Bible came up with Satan, they are the dictionary's only resource for defining such terms.

And yeah, I never said Satanist don't commit atrocities, I'm saying that their supposed religion doesn't promote those atrocities in any way. That's the point you seem to be missing. If you already haven't why don't you check out their website. It doesn't make you a Satanist, I don't even believe Satan exists and I checked it out.

Again, the people who commit these horrible things you are describing are not true Satanists. Satanism is not a "cult"... I could say Christianity is a cult, and you could not logically argue with me based on your apparent beliefs about Satanism.

Believe it or not, before Christianity, Satan didn't exist. The people who came up with the concept of Lucifer and the Christian Hell in the first place were Christians. OMFG! That's just incredible!

Anyways, it is becoming apparent that debating with such an incredible hypocrite is futile. I have better things to do than point out that being non-judgemental is taught by your religion over and over.

hmmm the dictionary uses the term out of how the the church has talked about and put down satan and his followers or any others that didnt see it the way the church does. Of course that way all would be wicked and bad. And if it is wicked and evil to the christians so what, who said the chrisitans were the ones to decide what the rest of the world should do.Christians aint a majority on this planet, hell if all those who couldnt care less for christianity in Norway had withdrawal
their membership in the state church the christian faith wouldnt even be a majority in Norway. That would be a new thing a registered non chrisitan western world country, and when the ball first starts to roll.............

As of today according to a survey only 30 percent of the Norwegian population say they are practising christians, the membership of the statechurch is 87%. We are getting toward a seperation of state and church which means the state church has to get their memebrs to pay for the mebership, this will lead to a true number for the church membership.

SO to believe in satanism and satan, means you probably believe in christianity, because they got satan from the christian religion. But openly denying the fact that satan is evil, with no proof that he isn't evil, going strickly by the christian religion, because after all, the christian religion DID invent satan. SO they believe the christian religion since they believe in satan, yet do not believe he is evil. that makes no sencse to me to believe in satan yet not think he is evil because they are believing in satan by what the christian religion says yet they do not believe he is evil. Why only take bits and pieces from the christian religion and "change" the other half of it around to satan not being evil for their own purpose? They basically invented it on the christian religion but only took half of it and decided to be "different" seems strange to me. And yes I did go to their website where they quote "Letting true man's inner beast come out" or something to that effect. They may not practice physical harm on anyone, but they seem to really want destruction to come about and the weak to be destroyed. I just think its funny they took a PART of the christian religion to base their own on yet DID not take satan as being evil.

Well if you guys want to bring up all the "evil" taht christians do, than like the satanists, I have every right to say the things those christians did are not "REAL" christians. If you are allowed to make escuses for satanism and evil things not being "real" satanists, that I have every right to say that those catholic priests and other bad christians are not "REAL" christians

What they said about letting man's true nature as a beast come out is that instead of going to church and conforming to a Christian agenda, they live how they want with no interference from God. They worry about themselves first, just as a "beast" would. And yeah, they obviously did take the thought of Satan from the Christian religion and personally I don't take their religion seriously at all because of just that, they believe in Satan. That's why I think it's harmless to let a Satanist join the navy...

And yeah, you are correct, those who kill in the name of Christianity aren't true Christians as far as I'm concerned. But if you do want to say that horrible acts committed by a select few Satanists is promoted by Satanism, then I can say that holy wars (and the massacre of the Native Americans) are encouraged by Christianity.

what I aim at Phinney is that just because christians define it as wicked doesnt make it wicked to me. I dont find worship a satan any more wicked or stupid than worsiping a god

There is tons of web sites to view to prove that Satanism/Satan worshipers do evil things, it's NOT my word anyone shld take, you can read for yourself. Knowing what SATAN stands for, where and why did all these satanic rituals come from that worship Satan, and why would anyone name a church after Satan knowing what he's name means? it's in books everywhere, besides the bible, it's all over thru the internet to search about satan, worshipping satan, rituals and so forth? So, jsut cuz a group decides to name a church that and say they are different makes them differnt, I don't by that and i'm shocked that anyone would.

Satan isn't real. The idea of Satan and hell was thought up by the Christians and put into the Bible. There is no other source for the meaning of Satan and what it stands for besides the Christian religion, because no other religion believes in Satan as far as I know. Every other book/website that talks about Satan got it from the Bible one way or another, because there is no factual information on Satan. By "siding with Satan" they aren't saying that they stand for everything that is evil, I think they are simply saying they aren't going to try to get into the Christian heaven that everyone else is obsessed with.

And the fact of the matter is, whether you want to say this group on the website is true Satanism or not, this is the group that the Satanist who joined the Navy belongs to. Can you find any belief so extreme on that website that the guy who joined the Navy shouldn't be allow to join the Navy just because he shares that belief? If you can I'd like to know what it is, and maybe I'll see your side of things.

You know, I'm going to have to chime in on this one.

1. Yeah, it's probably no big deal to have a Satanist in the military, regardless of which country's military it is. I doubt that he will be sacrificing anyone in the name of Lucifer or Beelzebub or Old Scratch.

2. I also have to agree with Fiery Eyes. Satanism isn't just about "me first me first". Satanism is a religion that worships the ultimate in evil as far as the global standard of evil goes. Let's face it, Satan IS evil incarnate. A wicked former angel that was cast out of Heaven into the pit of fire. Now if Satanism WAS just a religion that promotes self-fulfillment in the worldly things, then it wouldn't need to be called "Satanism", would it?

-ism
suff.
1. Action; process; practice: terrorism.
2. Characteristic behavior or quality: heroism.
3.
a. State; condition; quality: pauperism.
b. State or condition resulting from an excess of something specified: strychninism.
4. Distinctive or characteristic trait: Latinism.
5.
a. Doctrine; theory; system of principles: pacifism.
b. An attitude of prejudice against a given group: racism.

If you engage in a system of principles or doctrine based on Satan, then you are living a relatively evil lifestyle.

I really don't think it could be put more plainly than that.

If it's really all about "self", then stop calling yourself a Satanist and just exist on a day-to-day basis as yourself and yourself alone.


corn

Frankly I think it's this:

Satanists today know that they won't be accepted by the majority if they let the majority know that they REALLY ARE Satanists, that is, people who worshipt Satan. And since people today are more fragile than they have ever been, and want to be accepted very badly (even, *gasp*, Satanists), then they are left with no choice but to CHANGE the definition of Satanism to a kinder, gentler definition of Satanism, i.e., "we don't really worship Satan, we just think we should try to fulfill our every whim and desire without consequence. That's what we're really all about".

That's what it is.

corn

afro: And the fact of the matter is, whether you want to say this group on the website is true Satanism or not, this is the group that the Satanist who joined the Navy belongs to. Can you find any belief so extreme on that website that the guy who joined the Navy shouldn't be allow to join the Navy just because he shares that belief? If you can I'd like to know what it is, and maybe I'll see your side of things.

So, you are only going by what ONE site says? anyone can make a site up and post whatever they want to entice people to join, surely you don't think that if it was evil, they would state that on their site? surely you don't think they would say: come join us, we sacrifice animals, people too, especially virgins, we also enjoy beating, chanting, deceiving, lying, cheating, stealing.....?? There's are 100's of sites on the web to make a correct ruling, rather or not it's good or evil, shldn't you view more than ONE site?

Satanists freak me out why woule anybody let a satanist work in the military. They practice human sacrifices for goodness sake. Satanism outta be banned.

corn: I wasn't saying their whole religion is just "me first", I was hypothesizing on what that one quote might mean. Then again I don't know for sure, I was just coming up with an alternative explanation. And as for "they just want to be accept so they try to change the meaning," I agree to an extent. I think they definitely made some changes, most likely so people would be more open to joining. But I do believe those are the rules the practice today. Maybe not the extreme Satanists you read about that perform sacrifices, but at least the Satanists who belong to their group.

Fiery Eyes: That isn't just any website. That is the home website for the only major above ground group of Satanists out there. That is the website they were quoting when talking about the Satanist joining the Navy. Other websites dedicated to Satanism that talk about "sacrificing virgins" to put it in your words are most likely anti-Satanist websites. And yeah, I do think if they believed in animal sacrifice or maybe even human sacrifice they would talk about it right there on the website. Why not? They are Satanists for crying out loud... I doubt they are too worried about being accepted. You can talk about whatever you want. You can't say "go sacrifice someone" or "I sacrificed someone the other night" but you can say "we believe in sacrifices to the dark prince." Hell, the KKK talks about hating Blacks and Jews right on their website... nobody can stop them. This is the same case here.

Hate and human sacrificing are two totally different things there, there is freedom of speech, but NOT freedom of killing, which is what a sacrifice would be, so NO I don't think they would say that right on their site, it would bring much more attention than they would want, and more and more investigation.

Like I said, you cant say "go sacrifice someone" or "I sacrificed someone" but you can say "I believe in sacrifices." That doesn't mean you have made any sacrifices or even that you plan to, and nobody could prosecute you for saying that. Also I am sure they are already subject to investigation. Satanists freak people out... I would think they are being monitored.

Another thing, animal sacrifices are not murder, so wouldn't they at least talk about that on their website? I doubt that the website for the main Satanist group is going to omit a major part of their religion to suit outsiders. You have to remember that if your dealing with people who declare themselves Satanists, they probably aren't going to be too worried about what the outside world thinks of them.

Theres a few problems, satanist dont worship satan or even believe in him, and as i have said countless times satanists dont sacrafice people (anothe thing Hollywood have destroyed) you are thinking of paganism, and cristianity they have sacrficed people, does this make them evil? i think so

You know what i dislike stereotypes like your self, look into satanism you will find all it is a a bunch if philosophy's and rules that the satanist lives by
An expample of this is as follows:
If some on is iritating the satanist he firstly asks them to stop if they dont he destroys them and shows no mercy.

Everyone (including the likes of John Lennon, Ghandi & Mother Theresa - may they all rest in piece) had some hint of negative emotions in them at some time or another, just because you follow a certain religious sect doesn't mean you will be totally good and totally evil all the time, behind satanisim and christianity lies a human face.